Man,this is an awesome endeavor you guys are doing. I've daydreamed about building one of these monsters,just don't have the resources to make it a reality, so I'm really rooting for you guys making yours,mine,and everyone else that has daydreamed about this!!! Maybe this could open the door to a 4v V10 conversation kit (?!?).
I commented to these guys that then need to get CAD scans of these heads once they've proved it will run, and then get someone casting or billeting them, and then we can simply buy a pair for a few grand like other aftermarket heads
Absolutely. Ford could've made them back then, but they didn't. Well, they did build the Mustang 'Boss 351' V10 test mule and the Shelby Cobra Concept in 2004, and they were both funcional, but still...it surely deserved to be mass-produced!
@@Roddy_Zehyeh I would’ve loved to have seen some wild shit like they in the Mustang or similar car. They probably ran into weight issues, just a guess but it started life as a truck motor so ? 🐾✌️🇺🇸
@@deborahchesser7375 Yeah, and let me tell ya, it's worth watching HSG Automotive's vid on the V10 Mustang prototype, from his "Unsung Heroes" series, it's video #119. That V10 was all aluminum and was just a tiny bit longer than the V8. So much so it actually fit under the hood without moving the radiator forward, I think. And I think it was actually lighter than the standard iron-block V8. They really could've made it. Back in the early late 90's/early 00's, a Mustang putting out over 420 hp and 400 lb-ft from factory, a few years before the Terminator Cobra was born, would've been mental.
Ya know the one V10 that still almost makes me cry when I hear it at 18k ? The 89’ Honda/Mugen MP4/5 V10, man that thing just wails like no other. Although the early 2000’s Williams/Renault V-10 screams a hell of a song too. Damn I wish I had the $ to play with stuff like this 🐾✌️🇺🇸
Brother it sounds like you guys are on the right track, what an exotic build, after a million LS’s and Coyote motors this is way more interesting. You guys are covering new ground and that’s the pinnacle of engine building in my eyes. I’ll be watching, I hope that monster power is sluiced through a Tremec 6 spd manual please, please lol 🐾✌️🇺🇸
What about windage at 8,000 rpm plus? Knife edge the crankshaft counterweights? Fab a V10 windage tray? Fab an oil pan with baffles and a kick out? All of the above? Love this project and all it's videos!
We have considered windage losses. The crank actual looks to have some profiling on the leading edges from the factory, so we decided not to touch them to help with balancing the heavier components. We will be taking 2 GT500 oil pan gaskets with integrated windage trays and fabbing them to work on the V10.
This is amazing. I'm building a1000 to 1500 HP 4.6 modular motor for a a Ford explorer. Biggest obstacle is people saying "modular Fords won't hold the power. It's a lie. I've found dozens of guys making more then that reliably. You just have to build them right!
@@CoyoteFTW2500hp* but Teksid block, Terminator crank, GT heads and factory timing main chains, guides and main tensioners (I'm pretty sure he doesn't use factory secondary chains and tensioners but I could be thinking Coyote on that 🤷) Mod motors aren't LS's where factory everything is trash! (Good luck telling the LS fanboys that... They don't understand the difference between GM produced LS and the agreement LS architecture engines! Only reason the LS is so popular is because they FIT!) 1000HP 4.6 isn't hard, the WAP block 05+ preferably but ANY 4.6 block will be fine. You'll need crank, rods and pistons. 2v will need head work for sure and cams. 4v I believe you can get away with factory heads (any of the 4v including B) and I even believe the factory valvetrain might be fine but obviously upgrades won't hurt 😂. You'll want to do head studs and main bolts (just get the ARP catalog and don't worry about it.... It's over a grand JUST for the hardware, one of those calculations no one seems to do!) certainly want a 3v or 4v oil pump (NEED the oil pickup tube if you're building from a 2v!) and need billet oil pump gears. Then figure out if your doing single or twin turbo! The problem isn't the engine to build 1000+ HP! it's EVERYTHING else! The fuel system, transmission, driveshaft, axles, suspension, fabricating the exhaust/hot side, fabricating the cold side, brakes and everything else you didn't know about! If doing AWD/4x4 then transfer case, another drive shaft as well as another diff and axles! I don't know if you're actually going to build this or if it's a pipe dream but if it's a street car (which it's an explorer so I can't imagine it's not!) 500 to 600hp is ALL you'd ever need! Or rather you could use!
This is pretty cool, major thank you to Todd warren for helping you guys with all of this custom work. I will be only using Todd for any mod motor I build in the future.
This is impressive. It sure is not the easiest project. I had a 3 valve V10 I was going to use in my 53 F350. But there seemed to be no such thing as a simplified V10 ECU. I did give some thought to two 5 cylinder Volvo or Audi distributors driven off the came and making a carb intake with five two barrels, but things like cams and header flanges were such obstacles I gave up.
Have you thought about lightening and cryo treating the crank? This is my favorite build on RU-vid. Ford did a 6.4 4 valve V10 for the Shelby Cobra concept car from 2004 or so
Thank you for wanting to build out the Ford V10! Always wanted to see one of these built the way y’all are making it. If all goes well one day it’d be cool to build a high rpm Dodge V10 to go with the Ford
Hey guys, congrats on one thousand subscribers. The quality of the content gets better every video and a whole bunch of people can't wait to hear it run.
Because it would literally take a miracle for this v10 to see that? 😂 The MPS is more than F1 engines BUT it's not the MPS that's the problem, the bore stroke ratio on the other hand....... With long stroke and high compression, I don't know if methanol will prevent knock! I seen a video that it was running.... I'm just working my way now to get to that point. But it running is NOT the issue.... Guess I'll see! 😂
I suppose you're getting the crankshaft knife-edged to reduce windage losses? David Vizad has a really good video on crank balancing and lightening by the way.
We have taken in the parts to get balanced and decided not to knife edge the crank. It does have some profiling on it from the factory though. Thanks for the suggestion, we'll check out that video!
This is an amazing series. The only slight issue that might go wrong is that crank. Everything else looks solid and about right but the crank is the weird offset thingy that isn’t as durable as a straight crank but besides that y’all have an amazing build. Will probably use this as a reference to build one in the future as a unique torque monster to put into a 78-79 Bronco.
Thank you! There is a guy who has put some monster torque with a twin turbo set up on his Excursion with the stock crank. But not much reference for high RPM on this engine available.
@@biy_buildityourself I’ve seen that build floating around on the forums. It’s really nice to hear about things like that but I’m like y’all. I like hearing those upper RPMs scream but I also like hearing the low end rumble. Still a really nice build and at minimum the 4v head possibility will be nice to transfer over to a good flowing monster engine.
Great job on the video quality. We’re all excited to see you guys grow, succeed, and learn from this fantastic build. Very happy for you both. Keep up the great work.
You guys kind of popped up out of nowhere, but I'm glad I found you. Very interested in this build, and a performance ford v10 in particular to weigh against a viper v10 that I might want to swap in the future. I was on another channel watching a video of guys tearing down a ford v10, and someone in the comments pointed your channel out. That's great marketing, if more people can comment on other Ford v10 videos so more people discover you. You guys totally deserve it.. I'm blown away by all the hard work you guys are doing, the filming, editing, staging of your scene with the engine parts, and the explanations of what you're doing. I love it, and hope to see more. Definitely want to see this engine roar, especially after all the crazy money you guys must be spending. The right people will definitely discover you with this build, and probably offer you more opportunities to do even crazier builds, or start selling performance parts related to this overlooked engine. I know for sure I want more v10 performance options out there, so I can pick the best for my build. Good luck, and subscribed!
With Todd Warren helping out with the specing of this project, if the split pin crank holds up, this ought to be a monster. Im supremely jealous. Keep up the amazing work gents.🤘
If you ever do this again, the tool you want you use is called a burette. It's a super tall graduated cylinder with a valve at the bottom made just for this kind of work. I've used them for titrations in the chemistry lab and I could immediately see that one would make your life a hell of a lot easier doing this job.
Hopefully, in the next video we will see the new walls Painted 😅 It's good to see you're taking your time to build this engine. All this time consuming work will definitely pay you back in the long run 👍👍
If it was at my shop, I'd 3d scanned the head and had it check the chambers, tighten all them up, and drop the head on my haas VF-02SS with a .25in ball end mill amd cnc match all the chambers and ports based on flow Sims. That said, what you're doing gets you close. It's not perfect, but it's good for a budget build. Anyways, you're doing it. It is amazing. Keep it up. If you're in Southern California, let me swing by and scan the heads. I just finished up building my 2006 scion xb lol. I have aftermarket Jun cams. On a 1.8l 1nz-fe 13.2:1 high compression setup. Lots of head work sleeved block rods pistons etc fueltech ft550 dash. Added knock sensors. 2 stage injection. custom moving velocity stacks on custom ITB setup. (Ya, I originally was going to k Swap, but i got my own cnc and went crazy with custom crap). Dyno 383hp 291tq red line at 9600rpm stock the motor was 88 whp 6500rpm redline 10:1 1.5l so this 2600lbs toaster really moves well now lol it was a go-kart in its stock forum now its a square body space ship. 👌 I helped aero by doing a 6in chop as well. Currently looks like a Chopped but stock white xb. Just finished a full 3d scan so I can redesign the front-end and back for better aero and modernized custom led lighting.. Sounds stupid doing all this to a metal box but you can pick up a non op good roller xb for under 1k with a 5 speed (mine I got new in 2005 had 431k on odm at when the Orginal clutch failed and the build started)
Can't wait till you take it back to the shops that said it could not be done or that it was beyond their capabilities...show their faces for sure ! lol
I’m glad this popped into my feed. What is this going into? Haven’t watched previous episodes yet so it might be in one of those. This is a really cool build and I can’t wait to see it get put together and running!!
How are you handling the balance shaft that is normally in the head? V10s fire at 72 degrees. It’s a 90 degree block. So it’s inherently unbalanced. Hence why ford added a balance shaft in the head.
From our research the balance shaft is there as an NVH solution. Since we aren't worried about that, we chose not to retrofit it. Ford did a split pin design to overcome the even fire V10 in a 90° block instead of like Dodge that made an odd fire V10.
@@biy_buildityourself Having a built 6.8 V10 build myself, I hope you prove me wrong. However, I can not find one occurrence where a 6.8 V10 removes the balance shaft & lives for a long time. Now to the opposing side of that- I have seen 6.8 V10 WITH the balance shaft make significant power (turbo builds, blower builds, etc..) and go 400,000+ miles. So, as I said I hope you prove me wrong as I myself have had the thoughts of cutting-up 4-v heads. Just could not get past the Balance Shaft idea...
@@LSXKILR Your concern is worth noting but with the rotating assembly as light as possible, and a good balance job, this should be fine. Jack and Diego already know how to use an Arduino so perhaps they might wire up some piezoelectric sensors and check the vibration frequencies.
@@biy_buildityourself From memory Ur cu inches 416 or 409 ? With the right camshaft & with those Heads u should be up around 750 + hp Hurry up guys . Cant wait 2 c this Engine on the Dyno bbf X
What's this going in? My dream car is a manual mercedes 190e with an evo bodykit and a high horsepower v10 in it, preferably as light a v10 as possible. With x-pipe and a nice pair of mufflers🤤. The v10 triton was the original game plan but everyone said it was hard to make power in it, then I researched the zf-6(manual six speed for triton) which people daily over 700lb/ft of torque. But I ended up giving up the triton because it's going to be too hard to make power when NA😢
We have a car lined up that we will be announcing soon! We aren't aware of a high performance NA Ford V10 so we are taking on the challenge to show this can work!
You lost me at stock crank. Those V10 cranks are fine for stock pressures and loads but they are known to break in performance applications. The split pin is the issue, yes it allows for balanced firing every 72 degrees but the split pin design will never make for an exceptionally strong crank that's going to reliably handle what you are throwing at it. For other V10s out there in the wild that have grown from V8s to V10s, they embrace the odd-fire concept and don't have the spilt pin crank setup, for example the Viper. Besides making for a stronger crank, it has an awesome, unique sound to boot. I don't know why someone doesn't make a crank and a computer setup that can handle this for the Ford V10 with standard V8 type journals and the computer support to make it work. There are so many of these V10 engines out there, Ford made millions of them in the last 25 years.
@@biy_buildityourself I'd love to be wrong! That thing spinning at 8K will sound insane! Really looking forward to seeing you soon it. Definitely will be exciting...
Apples to oranges, but we'll play along! Bragging for a 250 kg piece of junk with 130hp/lit 9000 rpm, when Jack's 1996 CBR600 makes 165hp/lit revving at 12000 rpm 😜😜
