Can You Spot The Fake Speedrun? 

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@@asiannoddles *Nice*

"One of the messages had a grey outline." Me: "Wait, that outline was grey? Uh oh."

I was like "I bet their both fake!" even if it was stated 1 is real and 1 fake :p

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Oh it’s the guy who goes through tube snakes.

That happened? geez who knew cheaters were useful for once

cheaters being useful for once we love to see it

Hello, Kosmic!

Ah yes.. I understand this terminology. Bullet bill..

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@@simanolastname2399 I am?, I don't know, ask RU-vid 😂

You profile picture is cool

@@lix3r yeah how are you top comment 🤣🤣

I was actually just having a sip of my cola as I read this! Truly a coincidence.

This meme variation is pretty cool.

Not sure if you're joking, but I also thought I'd heard that, but I'm pretty sure he meant "an healthy " :D

@@natanaelvicenteferreira590 No I definitely said unhealthy lol

Karl Jobst, thank you for correcting me, you absolute legend :)

"Speedrunning is the most degenerate ACT man has ever come up with"

@@karljobst most on the nose thing I've heard in a while. Grats on the Frigate wr btw :P

unlike me that spotted the other two but Mario's. each to their field I suppose

Yeah i only spotted mario. Probably from being subbed to Kosmic on twitch for 8 months haha

The doom one for me, the file just looked... Weird? Like, the acceleration at the start just seemed slightly off

@@firedrake110 I just thought the screen kinda flicked as he used the doorhit momentum on the 2nd run. My brain probably screwed me and got it right by luck.

Same, I’ve done the flagpole glitch and considering it’s the only trick in the run, I watched for the one with the setup. Felt good.

Nailed it.

I mean

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babadun? don't you mean badabun?

@@undefishin or Bakabun

@@Dark_Wolf0626 😒

I still could only barely see it after he pointed it out

@@T-1001 i could not, lol

That's a running issue. There have been times where highly respected runners have been caught cheating repeatedly after getting away with it for years.

Or no clues at all. If a moderator, chosen because of his depth of knowledge in the game, best knows what can be looked for, what's to stop him from faking his own run? Nobody would suspect a learned player from cheating, but they tend to be the ones who want the record the hardest.

On the DOOM one I noticed that there wasn't a frame where the time went from 0-4, but straight to 4. On the real DOOM run, it showed the number increasing to 4 for a frame or 2

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same

I got doom and Mario correct but not golden eye

I got none of them correct.

I got DooM and Golden Eye

@@Howie09 same

I got doom (luck) and I knew the Mario bros one because the fpg was not realistic which I knew prior

I swear the HUD for the second SMB speedrun looked off and that's what made me pin the blame

I thought the second doom one had a splice at the end 😂

@Otto Tamkivi i litterally guesed example 2 of doom was fake because for me the end screen when it showed the par,time,and total sound effect was too fast for me

The only one I got right was Golden Eye but only because I thought example one looked too clean and perfect. When he pointed out the editing with the text, I felt like an idiot lol

I thought the GoldenEye speedrun was spliced TBH

I think that was the first ever video I saw of his and that's what gotten me into watching speedrunning videos. Karl is the absolute legend.

I say welcome to the club, have a seat and enjoy your stay

Saaaaame bro. Glad I did though

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Why are you everywhere wtf

Last day on the job before going on holiday

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And also almost useless since they can check every frame and imput so it would be pretty obvious lol

@@harleck9119 As far as I understand, demo files *only* contain input, which the game then replays. This means it should actually be fairly easy to create fake perfect replays for someone who's familiar with the file format and with editing binary files. Also, I think Karl is just meme'ing when he says it's secret and "censors" the message explaining it. It's still obvious from the un-censored part of the message that the issue is some sort of signature placed into the demo files when you create them with a certain piece of TAS software. You can download the demo files and open them in Notepad and see said signature right there. I haven't even played any Doom game once in my entire life but as a programmer I think I could create a world record demo after a few days of fiddling LOL. Makes sense that they require you to stream even your failed attempts.

​@@taylankammer I have understood (from other Karl's videos) that moderators, and usually people that know deeply about DOOM, can see which inputs were pressed every frame of the run, so using a TAS would expose certain behaviours that are virtually impossible for a human to permorm in a real time run. I'm not a programmer so I don't want to "invalidate" your words lol but since you haven't played DOOM at all, you won't be able to recreate a realistic run that could pass as a real WR (nevertheless probably you could fabricate a crazy run tho) Karl said in that same video that when you get to know what inputs are realistic to permorm in order to try to cheat a run, you could just try to get the time you want to fake because it would be easier lmao. That's what I can recall from a Karl´s video that exposes DOOM cheaters, I strongly suggest it, very good content ;)

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I missed it in the first doom clip, but saw it in the second. Thought I was on to a winner... oh, well...

The only difference I think I saw was that the start of the first clip had significantly less momentum at the start than the second clip while both having equal times. So either the first one was the fake one, removing some frames here and there along the way, or the second one was faked, removing some frames early on.

The first time I saw the second I said, "hol up this too fast, and how he not lose momentum after hitting the door"

Same

I got the doom one right

Same lol

I also spoted the doom one myself

Even I was surprised.

*if you listen really quietly, you can almost hear my genius*

sometimes my genius is almost frightening

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8AM, haven't either

I've never related more to a RU-vid comment in my life. Though, I am tired and delirious, so I might be unintentionally exaggerating, idk

Go to sleep Alex

@Jef if you say green is your favourite colour, does that mean you own green? No.

*Every single top speedrun. Mine are easily distinguishable 😜

Deus Ex Machina Because they don't look like speedruns?

@@autisticduck3071 ayyyy

I think Rusty cage made this exact joke with one of his ads lol.

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I haven't seen a raid ad in a long time

can someone explain ?

At least it had a blue gradient ^^

Well, if you think about, that's kind of it. In Super Mario Brothers, both RTA and TSA runners use tricky inputs to accelerate to full speed faster. In Goldeneye, there's an exploit that involves holding the stick forward on the second controller to accelerate faster. And I'm pretty sure there's some comparable technique that allows you to accelerate faster in Doom. Hell, even the Mario Kart games have mechanics to start the race in full speed, and it's actually an intended mechanic. It's called the "Rocket Start".

If I already know before watching that the answer is no. Am I making the video pointless as a broken pencil to watch?

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I did but the last one I cought the glitch and thought it was cheating so 😑

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I yawned, realized i missed Run #1 and legitimately said out loud "Are you fucking serious?" Shit was *STUPID* fast, you could literally miss it if you closed your eyes for even a second

Exactly. And the people that actually do real SpeedRuns don’t get credited as much as the fake ones smh

Who knows? Maybe even the speedruns that we think are real are actually fake. Now that would be shocking

Welcome to life.

Also if it's hard to spot the fake spots of the speedrun, legitimate runners could spend a lot of time trying to replicate the strategy with no success.

@@ayomgamingii8939 reputation is only relative to speedrunner and their abilities as well and honour..

"Elementary, my dear absolute legends."

@@mctooch That "Little ball" Controls the mouse cursor, which would be used to turn DoomGuy.

1/8 chance hits ^^

I got the first 2, golden eye I thought it was bullet count, I was wrong there lol, Mario though, he goes into the pipe at 380, and comes out at 377

Me too bruh but the hardest one for me was the Doom one because I didn't know what was supposed to really happened, but I guessed it right.

I did the same. The reasons were wrong tho. Guess I just got lucky

Only got the Mario one right.

just no...

Yeah gonna agree with TechnoReaper that was pretty trash mate. I see what you were going for, you in execution it failed.

I also got two on doom because of the door and because I thought it lasted slightly longer than example one and so I assumed it was the fake. Good to know I wasn't alone in my thinking (:

Same yo wtf swoon

@Liam Castañeda we'll tell you when you're older, 6

@Orange's Dead Body Yo why are you here. RU-vid was going to shut us down because of kids like you.

Just do the glitch where you start in second gear. Of course since the Atari 2600 uses a camera to detect how many people are watching you play, this only works when you’re alone

I understood that reference

You'd have to be part of the O5 Council

@@swineherd_ No, the ethics committee.

You need to find the secret green keycard

Probably Clearance level: Q. 🤣

It's entertaining for others if you filmed it, and it makes the speedrunner more happy, so he's probably gonna make society more happy too.

Technically if you're speedrunning, yes. But to not to that extent, ya just need to have a good amount of knowledge about glitches and movement

Don't woooosh me here I am a gamer that excersizes

@@osmosisv9502 You are lying

audio discrepancies would get them, in fact a lot of splicing these days are caught by audio, the footage might be of the same game but it was recorded in different places with different devices

Darbian faked a run? Damn I loved this guy

platinum10000 I think he meant to say Badabun

@@teeks8713 Yeah probably, I found nothing against darb fortunately. But hey thanks to that I just learned that he recently started streaming again!

@@platinum10000 thanks for the heads up

@@SullySadface 👍 my pleasure

It's easier to see when you do the trick thousands of times and then see someone go through it without doing anything

I'm with you lol

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Hey Viva

Part 5 when? (JK)

U n me both brother.

Thank god I wasn't the only one.

@@dragoneye6229 can relate

They got us in the first half, not gonna lie

@@mansifacio5458 Ditto. I feel like buying the Raycon just to spite Raid.

Didn’t he already do a video sponsored by raid? Lol

Experts are wrong sometimes, a lot of times actually, they shouldn't be allowed to respond to criticism by telling people that they are idiots and they should shut up. The problem is ignorance, these people aren't informed on how these games work, or the fallacy of them being likely to spot a difference like that, and they should be informed.

There was nothing arrogant there, the piranha plants are an oft-cited piece of "evidence" of cheating by people who don't know how wonky the hitboxes are (and SMB1 WRs are probably the speedruns that have the most mainstream appeal so there's a lot of people watching who wouldn't know that). In Kosmic's Any% WR vids he puts an FAQ in the description and it's the first entry there. And in a video about spotting fake speedruns, it's very relevant.

Especially that even with a lot of modern games, models often still tend to overlap to a point where most games just use the good old pill shaped hitbox for players, even if the model is slightly too large for that hitbox. Shooters being pretty much the only outlier there since they need to account on what does and doesnt count as a hit, and hitting the air between someones legs being a killing blow would raise a lot of eyebrows. So essentially, it is ignorance. People who claim that have either only played shooters, or they simply havent played games enough to encounter something like that. Arrogance is more like the dunning-kruger effect, where the more ignorant you are, the more arrogant you tend to be on a subject, untill you have studied the subject enough to know all the variables and only then will arrogance show up again, but educated arrogance, in this case, would be the mods.

No your not alone

@@Predated2 there's no "hitbox" for piranha plants while Mario is still accelerating upwards. Game back then were super weird

LuigianoMariano Or a very good detective?

Tell that to most Homicide divisions around the world mate.

@Mr.Pickaxe oh whoops LOL. Fixed!

Yeah man, I want to know what it is and why it’s important to keep the knowledge hidden from the general public. I’m not a speedrunner, nor do I play Doom, but learning the subtle ways to spot cheating/other illegitimate aspects is very interesting.

Yup

Nice way to joke about that TAS run that was posted on there years ago.