Been using the 5D Mark IV and there is truly something about the raw nature of this camera never failing that has photographed probably close to 200 weddings on it. It's been dropped several times and still works perfectly. I did find some lag when using the R5 during important things. But the MarkIV on Manual Mode is as close to using an old film camera as it gets. I love it and wouldn't trade it for anything. The eye focus is literally the only thing that I want on the Mark Iv. I wish they could add a firmware update or something.
I have a wedding a head of me. My bride is in Afghanistan and there is electricity issue as well. Which camera and lens should I buy? Please choose the camera which carries almost the flagship quality with lowest price. It would be a great help. Thanks
It looks like the R5 is going the same way as the EOS R that preceded it - riotous critiquing followed by an almost cult like acceptance and praise for its features. Canon continues to make people walk back their insults with these cameras. On a personal note, I've had the R5 for about a month now and I have yet to feel like it's HUGE step up from the EOS R. I think it's just a matter of shooting with it more.
as someone who's shot sports on both the R and R5, the R5 is such a huge improvement, not to mention the overall design of the body is so much more natural feeling and has a back dial
I mean, he not only has a video that is literally about the D850 being the best DSLR ever made (and possibly the swan song to DSLRs), but he has been pretty critical of the 5DmkIV. But he is also not wrong that it has been used by pros everywhere for just about everything. And his previous criticisms were not for it being a bad camera but rather for not being much of an upgrade from the mkIII.
Best Canon DSLR ever, more appropriate. Nikon bodies give better Image Quality, but Nikon glass is more expensive, and there are a lot of Canon users out there with legacy glass because at the introduction of 5D Mk II, Canon was a lot better choice.
You sound more positive about the 5Div in this video than you did when it first came out! I'm looking forward to watching DSLR prices continue to dive with the wake of the mirrorless transition.
Hahah great point. The 5D IV got lambasted by RU-vidrs (including Tony) when it came out . Now people look back on it fondly. I had it and the image quality was the best of any camera I ever used (much better than even the R which exhibited shadow banding - something Tony pointed out in the R review)
I was excited about the R5 until I saw that the R6 with 24-105 f4 cost the same as the R5 body, so that seemed a better option. I mostly do events, so 20MP is more than enough and the lower resolution is a bit better in low light conditions. What really matters is the stabilization and new autofocus system, and that’s the same for both. Now I just need to get enough gigs to cover a RF 70-200 2.8...
I started photography as a hobby back in 2010 or so, with a 600D and a 18-55mm kitlens. Within 6 months I got the EF-S 55-250mm. I used that camera A LOT, but decided to go full frame in 2018 with the 6Dm2 with a 25-105mm kitlens. By that time, I also forced myself to only shoot in manual, and also got the Sigma 70-200mm. Amazing set up. In the recent months, I was very fortunate to order a R5 with the RF85mm as an incentive workbonus, and recieved my new gear (including the ringed adapter) 2 weeks ago. Man, that thing is a beast! Once I had all my buttons customised, the speed of my workflow had increased so much. I love this thing, but have a constant feeling that I’m not worthy :)
EXCELLENT comparison video. THANK YOU. This is exactly what I was hoping to figure out. I have a 5d mk1 and have been pining to jump into the current century. Thank you for helping me figure this next step out.
They give Sound advice in the video however it does makes you think twice when they can't get sound right and you're trying to teach other and give advise lol
I’ve had the R5 for 2 months and I used to use the 5DM4 for 3 years before that. These 2 months have been so much more easy for me than using the 5DM4. The R5 is so much more forgiving! Sometimes indoor I don’t even have to use flash because I can edit the shadows without getting grain. Never looking back. :)
Sony kind of pissed me off with this introduction of mirrorless- cameras thing. I didn't like it years ago when Sony introduced themselves into the camera market by declaring that they intended to outdo all other established manufacturers within a think it was a ten year time-period. I respect the fact that they've managed to come close to doing just that. I still think that the Canon 1dx III is the best. Too much hype about mirrorless cameras. What about the fact that Canon decided to make their RF lenses plastic instead of the metallic EF lenses? Also, so what if you can see the histogram and a bunch of data in the electronic viewfinder. People should pay attention to their composition instead of a thousand other distractions. Not a big deal that you need to verify exposure with the histogram through the LCD screen in DSLR's because you're supposed to know what you're doing during exposure as a photographer in the first place. Histograms are for verification purposes, and fine-tuning within a third of a stop purposes- not for real-time as things are happening analysis. Who can do that, anyways? Someone who doesn't know exposure in the first place, I guess. Also, if I want mirrorless, just go in Live View mode and you have most of the same right there. The only real benefits of mirrorless camera are: depth- of- field previews loose no light in mirrorless, possible faster autofocus potential in RF lenses because of the more pins involved in the bayonet connection with the camera, in-camera image stabilization, and the bright viewfinder in even low-light environments. Also, an action camera for wildlife photography, (myself), or sports photography should have the vertical grip included all as one body- less dust and moisture entry issues and the camera would have the shutter button and main dials for vertical-grip compositions. Hopefully, Canon doesn't abandon EF until maybe ten years out, (2030), there's still time for one more DSLR= Canon 1dx IV at hopefully 30MP.
Tony and Chelsea, Thank you for all the effort you put into your videos. They are extremely well done and informative. You are both very generous with your knowledge. I really appreciate it. I have learned a lot from watching your videos and thank you very much. Tony - you have an incisive mind and are kind enough to share your in depth knowledge of the math of photography. Chelsea you are so very charming and get what many women struggle with - thank you:)) You are lovely people - both of you. Thank you so very much.
User of Canon 1dx Mark iii and Nikon D5 pro dslr cameras. I cover areas from Action,sports & wildlife environments both in daytime and nighttime with climatic differences come into play. I have tried both mirrorless variants from Canon and Nikon in similar environments but wasn't impressed with the mirrorless cameras regards to tracking,focusing in low light and robustness of either Canon or Nikon. Mirrorless cameras don't feel as sturdy enough to use on a daily basis for my needs. I will only switch if a Pro Mirrorless Canon 1dx Mark iii and Nikon D6 cameras become available otherwise I will stay with the Dslr cameras for my work.
The message is to upgrade, and I agree since you get newer and better performance. I bought the Canon 1dsmk2 flagship DSLR back in 2005 for $8000 brand new, it's in perfect shape but now worth only $47 if I sell to KEH. So, it's probably better to upgrade more often if you can afford to.
Great video. Going through the upgrade process from a 5d Mk3. Your informative video 'sold it' and has reassured me that the R5 is the right choice for an upgrade. I was tossing whether to change systems, but I was worried about my current investment of EF glass. Its great that the R doesn't mean that my EF glass becomes redundant. Sadly our dollar is not good. The investment of the R5 will be well over what I paid for my first car. Oh well that was a long, long time ago now. Time to spoil myself. Keep producing great videos. I really enjoy them as they are not bias or influenced by any particular brand. Cheers from down under.
I hate brand loyalty and following what's the in thing or the brand that'll make you popular. Everyone says Canon is the wedding photographer camera so you have to have one if you'll be doing weddings but the latest Nikon cameras such as the D850 destroys the 5D series. Because of such statements certain brands don't get the attention they deserve and those brand loyalists send their audience to a brand not because its better but because it'll make them fit in.
Thanks for making the effort to compare these two cameras in a real world situation. Some of us do appreciate your insights and the work involved in doing this. Thanks again.
The new RF lenses might not look apparently much sharper. But what I consistenly observe them comparing to old EF lenses is corner contrast especially when shooting distant subjects.(not compared in this video.) EF lenses tend to give you the traditional SLR hazy/ghosty corner while RF lenses preserve much more contrast and thus appear to be sharper. Couple with extra pixels and a little better resolving capability the images look much better even when you peep. Particularly useful for landscape. However the bum of this system currently is exactly what tony mentioned. The increase in price of the bdoy is largely due to all those video features packed in there that many are not really emphasizing. (how many % needs 8k) I'm still waiting for a less video focused, more still mage centric body model to consider any switch.
Any camera in the right hands i.e. a photographer who knows the system they are using and has creative ability will produce amazing images. That is stage one, stage two is post processing to get the maximum out of an image in a style that has impact and reflects something original rather than the everyday snap. Having said that, few of us get there because we fail in one or all of these things. Whatever the camera, it takes time to get familiarity with all the features and settings and this only comes with practice of every feature until you can do it in your sleep. Selecting the appropriate camera settings for the subject is next. Composition is more an art/creative thing but there are basic rules that seem to work. Get the lighting and exposure right. Post processing can take many times longer for each image than it took to take the image in the first place (including the travelling time to the location) and often we fail there, we either don't process enough or we process too much. Only many attempts and tweaks will get you there. If you have a 5D Mk IV and you are producing 1 acceptable image out of a 1000 (like me) then you will provably get 2 out of a 1000 with the D5. Your issue is not with the camera and its technology, it is with you. Practice with the 5D Mk IV until you can honestly say you just can't get a better image of everything you take then you are ready to move on to the R5. If you are where I am right now with my 5D Mk IV .... by that time you will be able to pick up an R5 at KEH for half the price of buying it now.
It is insulting to have blown out skies in your images while shooting with the EOS R5, you guys need to repent!! Also, you are comparing an image stabilized camera with a none image stabilized camera. There is no real conversation to be had here folks. I don't have the 5D Mk4 but it is still a king in its own right. Stop bullying the poor camera...haha!!
Just the body is a big step back. I own the R6 (R5 is still not available in Germany :( ). The 5D IV is so handy, the dial button easy to reach with the thumb. On the R6/R5 you need both hands to work with the dial. Big step back in my opinion. The 5D body was soooo good. Why the changed it? Bigger body would perhaps give more space for the overheating issue, too. And the buttons also feels not so good on my hands. It reminds me more to the G series rather then semi professional 5 line. Interestingly, no youtuber mentions the small body; is was/be a bit unhappy and will miss those ergonomics.
Plus the R5 isn’t anywhere near as curvy as the 5D MKIV, I particularly hate the inner side of the grip of the R5, it’s almost at 90 degrees with the front of the body, and so the grip isn’t as curvy as on the 5D MKIV. Cannon should have made the R5 body design like that of the 5D series
Lets stop the pretences everyone. The R5 was supposed to revolutionise the industry, but got shot- down in flames ! Give me a Nikon D850, or a Sony A9, A74x or a Panasonic S1h or even Fuji Xt4 any day and I will feel much more confident ! Tony, You put a lot of effort in your productions, great, but here you are pushing Canon unrealistically (@ 4:40). "a wonderful upgrade" ? IT is NOT ! Not if 8k is it's "main claim to fame" But By the time I get the actors and set crew into positions, the damn thing shuts off ! 1. The R5 image is softer than the old 1DX, or 5dx. 2. 8K> 4k conversion is not even as good as any Panasonic 4k, not even the Gh5, or old Nikon. (Nikon has better color than Canon according to a few artists I had questioned), Canon is crunching it's shadows in camera. 3. Canon has always charged us like a "Wounded Bull", It's expensive with no work during Covid at the moment. 4. The Sony's AF is more spot-on (Models after A7iii) 5. R5 = The worst overheating camera in history ! worst still, The cool-down recovery, even after the firmware upgrade, is marginal but still a joke, particularly in the 21st century ! The R5 is a piece of junk even in cool weather. Why should I put the Camera in the freezer after only a few minutes? 6. The data is far too big to process anyway, results can NOT justify the time and effort storing/ retrieving / edit. 7. The stills photos are good but that's due to the RF lense, not the Camera. I can stick The RF lens on any brand and get reliability and better image if need be. . The RP is a bicycle with training wheels. give me an Olympus anyone ! Yes, the original mirrorless, together with panasonic (Full frame is not a God). BTW: I take a 3 year old Pana GH5 with me (in the boot of a car) on important shoots in case the other F.Frames fail as everyone of them seems to have a crippled feature. Sometimes I do serious work on the much cheaper Gh5 with minimal attachments, The clients don't care, because they know me as the "Tradesman/ artist" rather than the "trendy show-off" with the big camera. 1DX is the the other reliable camera one must say. Canon made a big mistake here and no one is brave enough to say it. If they convert the R5 into a 4k camera that won't overheat I may reconsider. It's not a grudge match, just disappointment. May be we should all wait for the C70 !
Would be nice if Canon would make the R5 without the video as an option.The camera would be much less than the current price.Probably half the price!!!
I get the shot, not the camera ;). I have done a wedding with a Mark II, and manual Pentax lenses from the 70's. and It turned out great. I'm half kidding, I'ld love to have all the bells and whistles of the 'new' stuff.
The 80's relic top-display of the 5D really made me notice how 'lo-res' the one in the R5 is. Double-checked the Fuji GFX 100 and same story. I assume the calculator-like displays are much cheaper than the back LCDs, but I still find it rough to have such jagged lettering and numbers in modern cameras, especially top of the line models.
Mirrorless have their limitations. The DSLR is just more of a sturdy, relatable work horse. The Canon 5D Mark IV has the better image quality, better dynamic range, better color accuracy, faster start up and mode selection, no shutter lag, faster autofocus, etc. The mirrorless still haven’t caught up to DSLR standards.
You're persuading me. I'm currently still using 5DII with L and legacy glass. The upgrade isn't a "need" so much as an "itch". You are fast forwarding me from 5DII which I'll keep to R5: thanks!!
do a bad job in censoring the license plates, so people will criticize you in the comments, the video will get more comments, the algorithm will think this is a popular video so it will show it to more and more people. Genious!
R5 definitely superior to use.. feature are much better minus OVF only.. But on your video, you are not using 5D4 liveview at all.. while 5D4 with liveview is basically mirrorless camera, its as fast as R5, minus face tracking 2.0
I stepped up to the R5 from the 5DmkIII and I love it. The only thing is that when the R5 falls asleep, the viewfinder is dark and the eye sensor doesn't wake it up so you press the shutter button or the OK button to wake it up. The mk III is optical so doesn't go dark.
I upgraded from a 7D to a 5D Mk IV since I had autofocus issues. I still find that the focus worse when using the viewfinder than when using the LiveView. I messed around with micro-focus adjustments to get the sharpness as close as possible to the LiveView, but when I change subject distance, I don't get sharp shots with the viewfinder. Did you ever experience something similar with the 5D Mk IV?
Number plates.... blurry Chelsea when looking through the evf and hilighting the eye af.... Chelsea’s terrible audio outside..... pointless drone shots of your house...... you guys are better than this
yeah. articulating screen. "Lay on the ground." Have this issue all the time. And in the snow or surrounded by cacti, not ideal. Snow not so much an issue if in the right gear, but getting low in the desert can be painful, and dangerous. Damn you cholla cactus. Love my 5d markIV. But strongly looking at the r5.
I like mine, but if I am being honest I don't have fun using it. But then, that is because it's my work camera. I really don't bother to take it with me when I am just out doing my own thing, unless I know I will be indoors a lot. Otherwise I sling a crop.
@@sjwatson7 OMG, I didn't even realize I was replying to Sally Watson! I love you and Dan's videos! And your hair is so nice! (hope that wasn't too creepy, lol) I just got my R6, and tomorrow I'm taking it out for the first day of fun, well, at least as much fun as corona will allow. My R5 was supposed to ship this week, but no luck. :(
Why do you say in one video the D850 is the best DSLR but when doing Canon videos you say they have the best? Just seems funny that you jump back and forth depending on the brand you're promoting at the time.
love the video. but i don't know what happened to your audio lately it really sucks with headset on almost unwatchable. hope you'll find a fix. a lot of the time double audio as well
So was the record scratch sound at 2:13 because you blurred your license plates in the first shot, but then forgot to blur it in the next shot? In which case, why not just blur it out instead of the audio edit? 😐
Taking like mirrorless is a revolution, Lumix, Sony and Fuji have had this "features" since 2013 (Lumix more than a decade ago), also 5d4 the best DSLR? Didn't this channel trashed the 5d over the Nikon d850?
Man, as someone who’s used mirrorless for a long time now it’s hilarious to see all the benefits we talked about for years finally being accepted. I remember so many people arguing when the 5div came out that most of the benefits listed for mirrorless in this video were for amateurs and not “pro”
For all the types of shots in this video, the original R would have had the same picture quality as the 5DIV but with the benefit of EVF, eye focus, RF glass, tilt screen, etc. And less than half the price of the R5. The OG R is way more camera than it gets credit for.
Yeah I noticed but don't really care. What's going to happen, someone's going to see my plate and flag me down in traffic to answer a camera question? Lol It's fine. Our editor blurred one shot but I didn't care enough to remove the blur or make it consistent with the next.
@@tobiasfloggner2814 There is no problem. But if the Tony & Chelsea Northrup channel has some of the number plates blurred. I believe it is the viewer's obligation to warn them about it.
So there are some things that the 5D Mark 4 doesn't have that are available in other DSLR's, namely, the 6D Mark 2 has a flippy screen, and the 90D has 4K video, and the 5Ds has a higher resolution than the R5. Also the 1Dx Mark III has freaking backlit buttons! If there's to be an end to DSLR's there needs to be a "be all, end all" model that takes all that and as much of what's in the R5 as possible and crams it into a holy grail model because no matter what you do, you just can't get it all in one body!
Audio is TERRIBLE. Makes the video very unpleasant to watch. I bet there are many denoisers, declicker and or effects processing the audio. Better leave the audio unprocessed and just level it :S
Many years ago, the only thing holding mirrorless cameras back, was the auto focus and bad banding issues. The auto focus issues were effectively completely fixed, and the banding issues are almost completely gone. The Dynamic range of the EVFs have also improved greatly to a point where the they can be effectively used for manual mode. Overall, beyond battery life there is no reason to not go with mirrorless.
LOL as the owner of a 5DIV who thought it was very nice, the D850 is a much better camera all round, especially for AF and IQ is noticeably better, also has a ton more features and much better 4K video. Canon did as little as they could to update the 5D3.
I hate when people tell me I must have a good camera when I show them my photos shot with my 5D cameras but with the R5, I guess you have no excuse... The camera is basically doing everything for you..😢
As someone who recently got in to photography, I feel like it is important to go through the motion of an older DSLR while learning. I feel like a newbie going straight to a modern and expensive mirrorless would have software doing a lot of the work for them, and they wouldn't learn the core aspects of the tech side of photography. You have to know your depth of field, how your camera and lens handles higher ISO, whereas a mirrorless shows it all realtime so you can see what works and shoot. It is great, which is why they are the best right now, but for learning from scratch I think the older is better. Although I'm sure people say the same about going from film to DSLR
Don't artificially limit yourself. If the tech gets the job done, use it. That's why it's there. You can still learn all the other things and apply them for more specific situations.
Great video , but once again the audio is not great in so many areas . I’m sure this is on purpose to show/prove how important audio is to a video shoot . We all like /demand 4K or even 8 k , but on our cell phones or tablets can barely see a difference , but the audio differences punch us in the face and ears right away . You’ve made your point - please , go back to your great audio quality ! Please
The absolute worst thing about the 5D Mark IV was the pitifully small raw buffer size. Trying to track moving subjects and then having to wait while the buffer wrote was aggrevating.
Thanks for this, guys. I'm an amateur and I'm about to upgrade from my ageing Canon EOS 6D which I've owned for 9 years and which I really like (generally attached to my 24-105 F4L lens). I'd been considering buying a 5D mk IV to replace it along with a 70-200 F2.8L, which I'd always coveted but I've just noticed that I can buy an R5 and EF adapter for virtually the same money (in the UK). I think that's what I'm going to do and I'll save for some new 'R' glass later, since the R5 does seem like such an upgrade (especially with the new, major firmware update about to land). The EF L lenses were always so highly regarded that I'd thought that there wasn't much room for improvement but your video has shown me otherwise!
Ever since I moved from DSLR to mirrorless, I started to expect some features, that the older cameras were not giving me. Completely silent shooting is one. IBIS is the other. There are more things, like real time exposure and not having to calibrate a given lens to a given body. These come as a bonus. In short - the new tech is better. And I'm not trying to convince you. Just sharing my experience and conclusion.
Could you do the R6 vs 5DMarkIII? Im thinking of upgrading to mirrorless but Im curious if theres a big difference? I usually shoot through liveview because my hobby is automotive photography and the focus on the 5D is pretty slow. Curious if the R6 fixed it? Thank you, keep up the content!
The same people riding the DSLR horse and refusing to go mirrorless are the same people that probably had a hard time getting rid of their flip phone. (obviously this doesn't apply to hobbyist or people that are still creating with their DSLR, It's for the people bashing mirrorless.)
You guys are GREAT, but I do have a suggestion...perhaps be a bit more definitive in your recommendations. "Should pro's go mirrorless?" was your sub-title...PRO being the operative word. Given that, your review makes it pretty clear that the switch to R5 is the recommendation. Your summary of switching was "if you want to". However, it is good that you went into much detail on the differences...perhaps stating THAT criteria should be one's deciding factor on the worth of spending the extra $. So many tutorials end with "if you want to" where the tutor does not commit, making the student less certain of what to do. HOWEVER, YOU GUYS ARE OTHERWISE TREMENDOUS :)
