Celestion Vintage 30 Vs G12H-75 Creamback shootout 

The mid range on the Vintage 30 is what's made it popular. I hate their boost in 1-2khz range. I will never use one again but I wanted to find a Celestion that had good mids, more but tight bass, and not shrill highs and i landed on the Classic 80. I can't wait to try one or Zilla to post a comparison with it. From what i can hear, they have a sweet lead tone and tight bass response with none of the fizzyness around 1-2khz. These days i play Weber copies of Fane speakers and those sound great for me.

I'm with you there for sure.... V30 not always the ebst speaker or suited to every style but works well in certain situations. Thanks as always for watching.

@@ZillaCabs Thank you for making so useful tests.

Hi David, you're right, that is a great mix in a 4x12

Yeah, they do sound great in a nice 2x12. Thanks for watching.

Hey, does this speaker mix sound good for 80s hair metal (Dokken, Van Halen, Whitesnake, Ratt)?

@@Denkovskik I don't play anything metal. Late 60's and 70's tones. I've gotten good VH tones, but would never try any of the others you mentioned.

Is it a vertical cab? And if so, where do you have the 75?

​@@richhansen8874 hey, any update on this, thinking the same

@@lecanius not so far😁

Thanks, I'm glad you like them. I think they are a great combination too, they really do compliment each other well. Thanks for watching.

The vintage 30 paired with the Creaback M65 is where it's at and many people are using that combo .For a long time Many were pairing the G12M25 greenback with the V30 which is a great combo and now many are using the G12M65 instead of the M25. The Vintage 30 paired with the G12M family is becoming a classic pairing in its own right. There has also been many who Paired with V30 with the G12H30 anniversary including Builders like Dr Z . Many of them have switched the using the Creamback H in place of the Anniversary H30. The Creamback H 75 I find to be much more vintage sounding compared to the H30 Anni . I have found the V30 and G12M65 cream to be the most versatile and musical combination of all the above mentioned combinations . A fat sounding combination . Lots of body and depth . A very wide and balanced sound. I love the upper mids of the V30 paired with the low mids and Of the M65 ..When you crank the Amp especially a Marshall through a 2 by 12 with with that Speaker combo it's like a kick to the guts . It even makes my DSL5CR sound huge without even having to engage the Deep Switch . On its own with just the internal open back 10 inch Cestion 10/30 the map is kind of underwhelming. It's boxy fizzy and excessively bright and the red Channel gets messy very quickly but with high Quality closed back cabs and high quality 12 inch speakers that anp improves in leaps and bounds and is a tone monster especially with 2 by 12s . I use it with various different speakers and cab combinations and oddly I have found I prefer it with higher power handling speakers like the Creamback M65 Creamback H75 the Standard production V30 and the Marshall spec version of the V30 the Marshall G12 Vintage . I also got to try it with V30/Heritage G1265 which aslo sounded great. I also use it with some lower power speakers like the G12H30 55Hz Heritage the Heritage G12H30 75hz and the G12H30 anniversary with The Heritage G12H30 75 Hz being my favorite low power speaker and the all sound great but in the case of the DSL 5 I like the Higher power Variants . Normally i prefer the low power variants . I thought with a 5 watt amp I would find the low power speakers more pleasing as they would get pushed harder but its not the case . When playing at low to moderate volume I actually use my low power speakers with like my 30 Watt speakers and 25s when I had them with 40 watt DSl as I found that to be a better sound when playing that amp a low volume.

@@adamwatson6916 The only problem with the 65's, though, is that they're too quiet (at 97dB's)! I was using V30's with G12T-75's, and I ran into that problem. That 3 dB's makes a substantial difference. I finally mixed the V30's with the H75's, and hoooooly shite! It's perfect! Plus - the H75's just have a lot better tone than the G12T's as well.

I think it's a cool pairing together too. Thanks for watching.

You've had that pairing in your cabs before haven't you?

@@ZillaCabs no. It was the first one we proposed for the orange cab. But I ended up going with two creamies 🥰

V30 has a terrible spike around 1khz. The one I had made my OR50 sound horrid. I switched it out with a Weber and didn’t look back. I am thinking of the G12H though as it’s been recommended. Apparently vintage Matamps and Oranges had either Fanes or G12H’s. V30 is dog shit. I think it’s voiced to sound good in a guitar shop at low volume just to trick you into buying it.

Thanks Zach, I'm glad you like it.

The Alnico creams are a great speaker, we've done a few videos on them before. Thanks for watching.

Thanks Mark, we've done a few videos like this, I'm pretty sure we've done the V30/greenback mix before... in fact I think we've done two versions. Take a look back in the videos and I'm sure you'll find it.

Thanks, glad you like it.

Yeah they are... cleans tend not to show up that much difference in speakers, mostly the warmth but it is distorted sounds that tend to show whats really going on.

@@ZillaCabs agreed!

If we'd done that the lack of rigor would be borderline idiotic. That's certainly not what happened here.

Thanks for watching, thats good idea, I'll try and get something sorted.

@@ZillaCabs Thanks very much. The multiple vids I've watched of yours are great. Very informative and helpful. Thanks again 👍🏻

It depends what you are doing, what your playing style is but a rough rule of thumb is H cream for a bit more old school rock, V30 for a bit more Modern stuff.. that said its all personal preference and there are loads of other things to consider.

@@ZillaCabs thanks for the reply. I had been using the V30 for awhile just put in the cream back H the other day I figured why not have both lol. It is a little smoother but not far off easier on my ears for practice. I play old school heavy lol but in a classic rock band we’ll see how it does in next gig.

I ended up putting the V30 back in lol based on how the H cream sounded in the band mix before the gig. I forgot that I use shorter cables at home that makes a huge difference.

Hi John, we've got some coming.... not with a tele but we should be getting a tele in soon(ish). We've got a new guy doing videos and he's great at that kind of stuff.

I just ordered a Jensen N12K for my Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe - it's half the weight of the Jensen C12K that comes stock in the 65 Deluxe and Twin Reverb Reissues. Jensen designed it for the Tone Master amps, but you can buy one separately. I love Neo speakers. Jensen Tornado is another fabulous one. Neo Creambacks are great, if you like Celestion style speakers.

@@HamzaJamzaFamza I had one in a Deluxe Reverb and could not swap it out fast enough. Very dull, lifeless sound. Super dark. Very disappointing.

@@Unusednickname_1970 which one?

@@HamzaJamzaFamza Jensen N12K. High end rolls off pretty steeply around 4K to my ears.

Great suggestion. I;ve been trying to get some Webers in but they are really hard to get hold of. We've just done a video on some 10" Webers, that should be out next month.

If you like the M65, V30 mis then I don;t see a reason to change, that is a great mix and if you like it I can;' see any real advantages to changing it.

@@ZillaCabs thanks for taking the time, keep up the good work we appreciate it 👍

When you compare your tests the H75 isn't as violin as the m65. I think the 75/V30 cuts better ya/no. I had 2 V30s until one fried the other day so time to try something different.

I do X pattern in a 1960A and I love it. My 2 V30s and H75s replaced 4 T75s in my case and I just regret not doing it sooner ;)

on their way Matt, we've done a few videos on them just editing them at the moment.

The H75s do seem to sound louder in my 4x12 as well. I have 2 of each in X pattern in an early 2000s Marshall 1960A replacing the 4 T75s that were in there (and which I never liked...). The H75s being louder is perfect for me as just the V30s would quickly get grating to me but I like them way more in person than in any demos I heard. The mix of both is just perfect and live I put a 57 each on the 2 bottom speakers and front desk blends the two signals. In front of the cab it just sounds killer!

@@StephaneBergeronPixelyzed thanks for the feedback. It's a huge help. I am loving the mix of the two but it has a far larger tonal variety and just takes some dialing in. I'm still experimenting But it makes my rig a whole lot more versatile and the low end is killer and get more than the high buzz of the v30s alone. It's just a fuller sound all around.

yeah, they are both really useful speakers.

Speakers are very subjective but I know where you are coming from for sure.

The V30 isn't for everyone. Thanks for watching.

To specify, it’s incredibly noticeable under gain. I actually love the clean sound of the V30s where it’s not as apparent

That’s the V30 in all its glory… 🤣 That sizzle is why people don’t like it. That and it can be prone to cone cry like crazy when pushed. That’s a 50/50 shot. I had a pair stock in a Bogner OS 2x12 that has the worst cone cry on the high-E at band volume and never got better over the years.

I'm not sure I'd call it a nasty hiss, there's plenty going on in the mids but a lot of people use that in their sound,

Non-existent in the 8 ohms version.

It's personal preference, everyone has a speaker they like or don't like, it's what makes music fun.