Cherry Team will NEVER create a masterpiece. 

It's very interesting seeing the replies to this sort of argument and it's fairly indicative of a bigger issue within the megacollab culture of the community. I used to be in this space and for these same reasons that I've stopped creating nor do I see myself coming back for quite a while. A lot of people latched onto the concept of paying creators to build in levels, but in reality, this is common practice across art mediums and there's nothing wrong with it. Books, movies, and of course, video games are mostly made with money and is often done for money, but this isn't indicative of quality, that's just how businesses work. It's the intent behind the money and how it's used that's far more important and not a lot of people realize that. I'd even support paying to build if GD had a stable legal ground for that to work reliably (spoiler: it does not.) but a lot of people want to keep it strictly as a hobby and creative venture and there's also nothing wrong with that. Leaders define megacollabs, not the creators. Good creators can still make quality content, but they aren't making the big decisions. No matter how good of a creator you are, as a participant in a standard collab structure, you're limited within the confines of your part. Much of the people within collabs are used to the same rigid structure everyone else has used and do very little to innovate it to accommodate a creator's strengths. You build gameplay, I decorate it, then someone else puts them all together and maybe does some touch-ups here and there; that's collaboration in the modern era. If you've worked with this structure for a long time, how often do you try to break it up and change the way parts connect? How often do you work with gameplay to bring it closer to your artistic vision? Creators have worked within this predictable structure for years and at a certain point, they've continued to produce the same molds of levels over and over again, just with a recolor and new designs. You can't bring innovation to a structure that does not allow it. Team Cherry falls under this same problem, and while part of that is due to the intent behind their levels, they are also not the only ones who does this. Remakes for example, are pretty commonplace, and while the counter to "are remakes really necessary?" is "do any levels need a reason to exist?," people miss the point entirely. A tropical take on a nine circles level is unique, but do you really need it to be tied to Tidal Wave? Hell levels have been remade to oblivion but how often do people reimagine the concept of "hell?" Remakes aren't an issue because "they exist," rather it's because something more unique and interesting could've been made out of it but people confined themselves to the limits imposed by the past, and this is the same thing for many collabs. There's no "soul" to modern collabs, only structure. People follow that structure pretty damn well, but hardly break out of that to express unique ideas that takes advantage of the medium. Sure, some of these are pretty good, but how much better would they be with a stronger vision and a more flexible structure? It's for this same reason I stopped creating in GD and went to move on to other creative ventures, because I feel I'd only be holding myself by staying behind in this repetitive structure and circlejerk.

I do find this video quite disrespectful, your whole argument of CT and their members being a bunch of souless individuals is that they create leves just for the sake of attention and money, and as me being a CT member, i can say that I dont create in levels just for the sake of attention, I still do create for the love i have with it, I stay countless hours in the editor crafting the best of myself and pushing my limits every collab i join, just to be called souless? Isn't that a bit unfair? To classify a whole group of people because of one individual action? Now imagine the scenario, you live in a shithole third world country, with a even worse economy, where you could die at any moment due to high violence, and someone pays you to keep doing what you love, and even more, you get to help your family with the money you get, while getting more recognition due to the fame already stabilished of the host, you dont know the numbers of underground creators that strive for getting their work appreciated by those who their look for, cherry may have it flaws, but does it make ALL their members souless creators? If yeah then APT, TCT, GS, TSW and every other team is the same thing, this is just bullshit

“i am the gangster i f**k your video” KILLED ME LMFAO literally the kinda thing an edgy kid would tell someone they hate, how embarrassing 😂

you are absolutely unaware of the situation inside cherry team. if you think that all of this creators are billionaires you are wrong. an average cherry team creator is a high schooler from a poor family living in a province. the levels are carried by enthuasiasm in the first place, not money

"you are not the fucking gangster i am the gangster" 💀

I think the biggest problem with cherry team is that they make levels that appeal to the "lowest common denominator", as you say. They make levels that everyone can sort of like but never make levels that a specific group can really love. They explicitly go out of their way to do nothing special. Why? Doing something special means someone won't like it. I haven't actually watched the video yet, these are just my thoughts on cherry team (don't worry I'm getting to the video soon)!

"Cherry team will never make a masterpiece" Well, that's also subjective, isn't it? This video also feels contradictory. And just because Vernam believes certain decoration is objectively bad or objectively good, I don't see why that would mean that Cherry team can not create decoration certain people will like. And is there any reason at all why what applies to Vernam also applies to the rest of Cherry team? No. Because that's not true.

As a member of Cherry Team, I find this video extremely offensive. How can a person who, until recently, did not pay ANY attention to this team, talk in all seriousness about how the process of creating any collab occurs? As one of the people mentioned in the comments, creators do not receive a huge amount of money for their work, and they do not agree to participate in the collab for the sake of making money. I’ll just say that Cytokinesis, Crash Game and some other collabs were built on pure enthusiasm. Result: Both of these collabs turned out to be masterpieces that were included in the Awards. I have been a member of Cherry since 2018, and in each of my endscreens I put my vision of the level, my idea (with the exception of KOCMOC, where the endscreen concept was made in advance by our designer). And now I’m watching a video in which my work was called soulless. Interesting. Tidal Wave. The remake of the level was planned with only ONE goal - to give the OniLink's project a chance to get a rate in a new, more advanced form. As soon as the original level got rated, the project immediately ceased to be called an “Official” Remake. Your statement that the level was created only for the purpose of getting hype is a lie. The idea, theme and "lore" of 80% of the team’s collabs are written in detail long before creation begins, which already makes the statement about the soullessness of the levels complete nonsense. Cytokinesis has an excellent, detailed plot, according to which the creators themselves came up with the style and decoration. Cherry's levels cannot be predictable because, for example, Konsi's part in KOCMOC (was replaced by Kivvvi) completely changed his style and idea 3 times. The entire video is based only on guesses, and, let’s be honest, a personal grudge against Vernam. Let me remind you that many Cherry's collabs were hosted without Vernam’s participation at all (Cytokinesis, Ouroboros, partially Crash Game) You judge the ENTIRE team of 100+ people and their hard work based on two individuals, without having the slightest idea of how people interact within the team, what path the level takes from beginning to end. I'm extremely disappointed.

you said that seeing a preview of a cherryteam level is enough to know what the level will become, but this is literally not true looking back at KOCMOC. It's preview was kinda underwhelming, the final product however IS a masterpiece and it blew my mind. It's one of the greatest top extremes of all time and there are a lot of creators who share that opinion, wulzy for example. I really don't get it why people hate on kocmoc so much cytokinesis is also a masterpiece, wtf is that opinion I actually don't get it. Vermam is divoided of human soul? Do you hear how disrispectful it is?

Let’s not pay money to gamedesigners then, if they create their work for money, then they are corporate soulles bitches…. But still they make great art? But how it’s possible? If something is paid it cannot be creative? - bullshit. But anyway Cherry team is not the corporate capitalism team which you might think of, the creators actually get paid if they ask (in 10% of cases), but the money they might get is very very low, and it doesn’t worth the hours of work you put in the part, so it turns out that people actually build because they have fun of building?? Because the amount of money they get is not a fucking salary, it’s just small nice reward. Who would be against of some money? Also this is so disrespectful form you to call creators corporate and uncreative who actually put so much effort and ideas into the level. Look at Cytokinesis, i hosted it completely myself, i spent 0 money on it. And you think it’s corporate and soulless? The hours of work and 2 years of hosting. Every creator has put so much effort and ideas in this project and you call it soulless. Projects like lla lorona, cytokinesis, binary life, frostbite meadow, cherry blossom, crash game were hosted with 0 money spent. Also even tho kocmoc parts are paid, it’s a wonderful level in terms of decoration. We managed to make the level with awful gameplay look unique and interesting because everyone has put their soul, especially me, because i built 40% of this level. The main problem is that actually cool and original projects like cytokinesis are getting forgotten very fast. So what’s the problem of using popular projects names like tidal wave or kocmoc unleashed to get more attention? It doesn’t mean people will put less effort and soul if they build in big name projects.

if i'm not mistaken they wanted to redecorate tidal wave because at the time it was unrated, they thought a redecoration could give it the rate. after RobTop said that the deco wasn't the reason and then rated the level, a lot of people wanted to see the redeco anyway, turning Cherry Team's Tidal Wave redeco into a remake which is gonna be tidal wave but nerfed

While I do agree with a lot of this I have also talked with vernam and I’m kinda mutual with them two. This video is basically 2 friends beefing to me. Anyway regardless of motivation cherry levels are not all bad. I’ve always pictured it as the team itself is NOT represented well by vernam. But levels like kocmoc and firework prove that they can make good levels and I do see kocmoc as a masterpiece.

Cherry Team started the tidal wave remake because the level wasnt rated for 5 monts but after they started tidal wave got rated.

Wdym Hollow Knight is fucking great

Thanks for making this video man. I screenshotted that long cherry team tweet from your art criticism video one time saying "this is their approach to creating." Vernam would later qrt a ton of my criticisms (out of context mind you) and a ton of his fans came to harass me, and these people are just as closed minded as vernam if not more. This person cannot take criticism and while him flexing his wealth is hilarious, it made me realize that I should've never taken him seriously. Also I'd like to point out that high class institutions like academies have historically used "objective" criticism to give them justification and its so funny seeing parallels to that in a $2 square game Also culuc once tried to convince me that his EOD part is "objectively good" so I think what you said about vernam in that respect can also apply to culuc

Wherwin, you having _extremely_ rigid and harsh perspectives on art quality while claiming to have a more soulful philosophy than Vernam actually pisses me off way more than Vernam owning up to believing in objective quality. Imo, neither you or Vernam actually appreciate art.

Why capitalism is bad for art in a nutshell

The thing for me about vernam and really all team cherrys member is just the lack of openness to criticism of any kind. the immediate reaction to any kind of disagreement isn’t to reach out and actually discuss a disagreement but to reach out and to call you stupid. In that old team cherry tweet they say something along the lines of “who better than some fuckwit gd player to tell whether a level has passion” or something like that. They just cannot fathom that, actually yes, you can absolutely feel it when a creator truly believes in what they made and put their entire being into the creation of their art, gd or not. They also like to bring up the fact that Team N2 gets compared to them a decent amount, which I think is a fair comparison to make. You can think what you want about either team but the reason N2 is so beloved and remembered isn’t because of any nostalgia or sentiment, at least not mainly. They are cherished because they made projects that felt like real levels made by real people, that’s why A Bizarre Phantasm and other levels have become staples and “classics” which is something I simply cannot see team cherrys levels becoming at any point down the line.

I like how the entire video background is just gameplay of your level in various player colors

i had to block vernam because of his constant harassment after calling out his very unsavory past.

i disagree somewhat. i think that, regardless of who the producer is or why they're doing a project, that doesn't necessarily mean that some members of the team don't do what they do just because they want to and for the sake of it/artistic fulfillment. granted, i do kind of agree that they probably won't make a masterpiece if the person heading the project doesn't actually care for art, but that doesn't mean the entire project is void of any genuine passion

My dyslexic ass thought you were talking about hollow knight and I was about to have an aneurism in your comment section. My bad. Sick video btw.

while i completely agree with all you said about vernam and culuc, i feel its incredibly unfair to label cherry team as a whole as a soulless corporation. yeah, maybe vernam sucks and only hosts the levels for the money and fame, but the creators who are doing the *actual* work in the projects are pouring their heart and soul into them. say what you will about the motivation for cherry team projects, but you cannot deny that a lot of them are top-tier quality and that the creators did an absolutely incredible job with their parts. labelling a team as soulless also labels each individual within it as such as well. how do you think the members of the team who genuinely care about all the projects feel about this situation? put yourself into their shoes for a bit and think about how unfair it is to them. edit: you also didnt address the fact that the tidal wave remake was made *because* of tidal wave not being rated. like, im sure it could have also been because of the profit/fame/hype/whatever, but that was one of the main reasons and its a bit unfair of you to not mention that.

Why twitter community will never get new brains..

ok thank god thought you talked about the devs of hollow knight

"Opinion is a privilege. The privilege of people who are able to think." It is ironic that after so many denials, I have to use this expression. This video made me do it. How many contradictory words were said, the author did not even understand their relationship or meaning. But most of all I am amazed by the comments, these animals simply agree with him without trying to analyze, the usual herd. The world has long ceased to be literate, and now I have witnessed this too

they corporatized a square game and that in itself is a sin.

cherryteams best level will always be dash n xploads because it is so stupid to the point it's funny

5:52. It's so odd that Ver is willing to give himself a pat on the back for already "understanding everything" when he didn't even watch the full video..? What viewpoint is there to respect when he barely even watched it. Why feel the need to say you respect someone's position when he was the one who chose to debate you live over it... Not to mention just completely disrespecting you in DMS and flaunting his wealth on Twitter? But, If that wasn't weird enough, this sure as hell is LMAO.

No way people like Vernam. This is the coldest take of all time to think Vernam is a bad person.

Guys this video is an opinion, you understand that, right?

I like that you play your level with diffrent colors as background.

9:49 Morshu sounding dude

very very well said. when the incentive for building levels is solely attention and money, any sort of creativity and genuine passion is lost completely.

I think cherryteam is fine as is. The problem is mainly Vernam. Greed is definitely all what they care about, and their ideology on art is almost non-existent. I'd also argue that cherryteam could make a good level (like, I for one do like Firework and Kocmoc), and they could go better, but so as long as Vernam is around, people are gonna view the team as a soulless corp that just makes levels for the sake of money and viewership. Which, to me, is a shame, cause there's definitely effort put into the levels, and some of the creators there make cooler levels outside of the team.

the cherryteam remake was in response to tidal wave no getting rated, and then tidal wave was rated lol

"They will never create a masterpiece" Waterfall, Crash Game, Upscope, Cytokinesis, Shinigami and other levels:

While not the focus of the video, the part that really bought me the most out of this was near the end when you raised a very good point about Mindcap's philosophy on creating levels for the community, it was a great perspective for me I personally fail to like a lot of Mindcap collabs due to specific personal opinions on the things I like in levels (that often times Mindcap collabs tend to leave me really disapointed) but I can still see and appreciate his overall efforts into doing something cool! I would be very interested in a future analysis on creatiors perspectives on creating levels, if you have access to talking about it with creators to get their opinions in the future I think it could turn a pretty good video in your style

Nah I don't agree with everything in this video. Saying "it's soulless" (doesn't matter how you explain it) is just "I'm biased" in fancy mask. Let me explain. CuluC's statements are weird I can agree with that, and Vernam's personality is something I can talk about for hours because you can easily and immediately say *why* is he doing what he's doing at specific moment if you were following his personal accounts he no longer has (he has some, but he used to talk in-depth about almost every desicion in his life, it's no longer like that anymore), but I want to talk about the main point of the video: 9:26 , 10:03 You're taking Vernam's personality (which is again, way more complex than just his public "character")/his opinion on art and applying it to the whole cherry team, which has dozens of creators with entirely different... like, everything, starting from the language they're speaking, their political views, their tastes, their style, and their approach too. There's one reason people are talking about cherry team being a "soulless company" that they don't even think about: there're a lot of Russian/Ukrainian members that are unknown in global community as *people*. Let's take KrmaL for example: he's known as a big figure in GD, when people talk about his levels, you imagine KrmaL not just like some random supermax5292 player from the daily comment section, but like a real guy with personality behind the screen AND like a "video game character". With most Cherry Team members like sauz or konsi, people probably feel nothing when they hear their nicknames. And Cherry Team is filled with people like this. This is probably what people mean when they're talking about Cherry Team levels having no "personality"... and while I can understand why you might feel like it, it's bad to dehumanize creators just because you don't know them. Besides Vernam and CuluC, there're way more people with their own stories, their own lives, their own approach to building a part, etc., if you want to criticise the reason why the level was made, you should talk about every person that participated in it. Vernam is a leader, and if you don't take "I don't like his opinions on *that* and that*" as an argument, he's arguably one of the only people with such good leadership qualities. Back when Cherry Team was just forming, people were clowning on it for being an "another team with high hopes that'll get nowhere". And here it is, being one of the most popular current GD teams, and one of the only teams that's actually active. You might hate Vernam as much as you want, but it's hard to disagree that basically saying "Hello, I'm making a team and we're going big, bye! :)" and actually succeeding is impressive. I also disagree about Cherry doing nothing unique. I've seen nothing even close to Cytokinesis and Waterfall before. I would even argue that it's the only team that can take wild themes and execute them perfectly. Space theme is not so unique, but the way it's executed in Kocmoc makes it the only space themed level I can think of with such a great execution, enen after going through "development" hell, so even when it's not so unique, it's setting a new standart of quality. It might be unclear why I talked about all the stuff above, so I need to summarise my thoughts: the "soulless company" argument comes from the lack of connection to the product that's made by that "company", and using the lack of connection as a proof that something is bad is extreamly stupid and has no difference than saying "I'm biased towards Riot so bloodbath is the best level in the game". What's wrong with having bloodbath as your fav level? Nothing, until you start masking your personal preferences and bias with "level having a soul" and using it in debates. Every level has a soul unless it's literally made with AI. End of discussion. It's the same with the word "comparation", you treat it as such because you don't feel connection with people behind it, and with Cherry it's mostly about language barrier, in Russia people feel way more connected to it. So, those words have no substance behind them. That's why I don't mind people not liking Cherry Team levels (and any other levels too), until they're trying to prove that there's something more than bias and preferences behind their opinion. I have literally like x3 more to say, but for now this would be more than enough lol (at least I hope my text was not too messy to understand the point). Instand UPD: I probably should also address the title - the video has no answer to that question. It physically can't have it, especially if we just take "it's subjective" card :/

Firework and kocmoc are the best levels to me

When first reading the title. I felt like you were just gonna be complaining about something that you thought felt corporate and soulless though you were uneducated. Though this video raised many good points that I had never known about. I was the uneducated one and you have clearly made a video worth watching. I am a fan of their levels and I thought people just didn't like them for their corporate status but clearly it's deeper than that.

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this video. For one thing, he never argues that the creators aren’t passionate about what they’re making, he’s just saying that as long as the person who is controlling the final product is only pursuing money and attention, his ambitions will never reach beyond what will make GD players click the thumbnail. The creators are not the reason why cherry team is considered soulless. Also, paying people to make something is a completely normal thing to do and can make something great as long as it’s made with passion behind it (or at least more than the pursuit of attention) and he says as much in the video.

I feel like stuff like Kocmoc Unleashed and the Tidal wave redeco isn’t really needed since the original levels are already out, especially Kocmoc Unleashed which is just unnerfed Kocmoc. There are some pretty cool levels they have made though, like Crash Game and Cyrokinesis, but that’s mainly because the gameplay in them is really fun albeit learny af. I do agree on one thing though: We do need more creative and wacky levels. Stuff like It Back show you can do about anything and have it be a success.

Cherryteam is the Apple of GD

Don't you think it's kind of contradictory to say that TeamCherry will never make a masterpiece when you yourself debunk this notion of "objective truths" in level analysis? The whole argument seems to about how TeamCherry is simply a souless corporation that doesn't care about artistic integrity, but that doesn't mean that they can't make good levels or that you have to meet x criteria to make a masterpice. The criticisms you make should be purely directed at CherryTeam's level philosophy and group structure and not the quality of their levels.

Would make much more sense if team cherry realllyhavend done any masterpieces. But they did. Waterfall, agita, shinigami, cytokinesis. Bro, what are you talking about? Best levels in the game been provided by this team

honestly, I kinda expected a generic twitter take from this video, but it is actually really based, you never disappoint lol. Personally I do not necessarily agree that cherry levels are *completely* predictable, but I find myself agreeing with your take overall, especially since you have provided some context that I didn't know about (thank you based WHErwin). imo, albeit being really controversial and kinda shortsighted, Vernam is still a relatively interesting person and they get way too much slander due to their overall controversy. That said, it is really unfortunate that they became the single most influential person in russian-speaking community, it has been nothing but a dramafest for a while now.

I think the reason why some people feel that Cherry Team's lvls feel corporate is because they don't have any cool unusual gimmicks behind their levels like Limbo (the ending) or Heliopolis (Very unusual gameplay) that make the collab more special. Personally I don't think that they're "soulless" or "cash-grabbing" team, it's really hard to determine which specific criterias levels should have in order to become "soulless". For example, why Bloodbath is generally considered to have more "soul" than Firework if both levels were built to become TOP-1? If Cherry Team's creators are enjoying (especially Vernam) what they're doing, why we should disregard their achievements? It looks like this: Good level: 👍 Good level but created by Cherryteam: 😤

thank you so much for mentioning pocke theyre insanely underrated in the community

Tiny nitpick if I remember correctly the only reason the Tidal Wave redecoration existed was because it wasn’t getting rated, and Cherry wanted some version of the level rated, and now that it’s rated the project seems pretty much dead. A better example would be Kocmoc Unleashed since that level has no reason to exist lol.

Michael Jackson popcorn gif

Tbh same should be said about Mindcap but for some reason he's an untouchable overlord in the eyes of the community. He's just a creator with almost no talent that makes other people work for him at the end of the day.

Bro has twitter.

I feel like "Why Vernam will never create a masterpiece." would be a more accurate title for this video tbh

cherry team will never build a masterpiece because vernam has an expensive watch, wtf, pls delete this video

the reason they started the remake was it wasn't looking like tidal wave would get rated cuz rob wouldn't budge

My only problem with cherry teams levels is I don’t think I’ve ever played one that had stunning gameplay. A lot of the time the gp is either alright or very unbalanced and I’ve never rly seen a lvl that wowed me for having good gp. Other than that tho I think ct is great

Time to take wherwin’s opinion as my own again

What's the name of the level in the beginning of the video?

I thought this video was about the team cherry who made hollow knight at first and i was very confused. great video though!

exquisitely crafted vernam bait, I look forward to him joining the server and throwing a fit again

Cherryteam can only dream of making a level as good as "Epep409" by Epep409

Thought you mean team cherry, the creators of hollow knight. I‘d have found you if you did.

Even as the decoration quality of Cherry levels has gotten better, I've always felt their levels feel empty for a reason I couldn't put into words, and this video answers that question perfectly. For these reasons I feel even levels that are super cool in concept like Waterfall will fall flat just because any sort of artistic vision behind it will be snuffed out by whatever the team will use to gain the most views and attention.

cherry team will never create a masterpiece cuz wherwin doesn't agree with cherry admin cherry team will never create a masterpiece cuz vernam has rolex cherry team will never create a masterpiece cuz vernam has high ego cherry team will never create a masterpiece cuz their lvls are too "predictable"

I think until someone can create a design level to this quality they should really not talk like an expert on these types of levels. The amount of time and effort the style takes is really large and I couldn't even fathom the amount of effort put into some of these cherry levels.

fucking thank you for talking about this, it's insane how many people come at your throat when you say the slightest negative thing about Cherry Team. Their levels are always just aggressively competent design-wise, but absolutely none of them are memorable in any conceivable way. I always think of them like the Thomas Kinkade of Geometry Dash levels.

What is the level in the background in the first minute or so?

1:29 TW does looks bad, the only good thing about this lvl that this is not a red top 1 lvl and have some nice theme. CT wanted to make it look better, but still have an original deco as ldm of some kind so everyone will be happy, ppl who likes original more and ppl who prefer the remade deco. But then twitter ppl started to hate on fact that CT want to build a remake cause gdt is always like that, give them any reason to hate on something and they will as much as they can. 1:56 CT does not want to suck on popular lvl, they are already best and one of most popular teams in the game. They are making their lvls fully out of passion, you decided to look only at the fact that they making TW remake and at KOCMOC but not even once in a video said about their other lvls cause its more of a benefit for you. Their other stuff is incredible, original and have insanely good realisation of the theme they puts in their lvls, like Cytokinesis, Shinigami, Void Wave, Upscope and a lot of their other lvls. 2:46 CT will never make a masterpiece cause some CT member guy comments rough on twitter, sounds very connected. And he does telling the logic stuff, bad creator cannot fully criticise on a good one so why taking critique from unskilled creators seriously. And his second message is understandable, you dont need to be good to criticise, but at this point your opinion will not be taken seriously, especially when you thinks that your opinion is correct. 5:11 Vernam already hosted a lot of memorable lvls and made a best team, wdym to serve his own ego, he is already on the top and from the beginning of the carier he wanted to make original stuff, but in your opinion its right the opposite just cause uhhhh, emmmm, welllll, you said that so there are no other variants, you know better how ppl feels about making stuff than these ppl themselves. He sees no room to conversation cause he sees that you will stay with your opinion until the end, even if this opinion is wrong. He does not say that ppl who disagree with him in total are stupid, he said that in context of this block design, and this block design was supposed to look bad, it was intended by the guy who made it, and you trying to say that hes wrong and this bd can be liked by someone, you are not saying it cause it is actually true, youre saying it just to disagree with Vernam cause you hate this guy. In this stream you even said that some ppl can like eating pizza with feces on it and said that there is nothing wrong with it, cause everything is subjective, you said that nonsense just to disagree with Vernam and feel yourself cool, but from perspective of others you looked dumb. 7:26 you are always opened to make your mind changed, that why you disagree with Vernam and trying to prove him wrong, when hes objectively right. Youre trying to act cool and feel right, but somehow manage to make the opposite, by not even trying to listen to the guy youre arguing with just cause you dont like him. 7:37 , saying "Vernam and by extension CT" is very childish, saying that everyone is bad cause 1 guy did bad is dumb. With this logic i can call you a potential pedo cause weve seen some gd players being one. And what kind of greed CT members corrupted with, if most of them making their parts for free, just out of passion to make something cool, i have a friends from CT and they are really nice ppl, but you are automatically calling them rotten with greed just cause they are CT members. 8:20 of course you can predict what lvl will look like when you have original level that will be remade, you are not talking about their other levels, that was made not of some other level, cause its not well for your opinion. Krmal makes original lvls, that why his previews was intriguing and you are not expecting what gonna be next, its is the same with CT levels like Shinigami, Cytokinesis, Crash Game, etc. , they are original and when they was previewed you never knew what will be in next part. 9:29 he is not the only host in CT. You respects Mindcap for making something original and the same time youre not looking at original stuff CT make for the sake of your ego. And i like how this guy only liking comments with opinions against the CT, ignores real facts from members, which at the top of everything shows your ego even more, you not only dont want to accept Vernam's opinion, you also dont want to accept all other's who does prove that youre wrong in this situation.

the only thing i like about vernam is his Ankha pfp because she is the goat besides that he just seens like a narcissist

that one tidal wave part has a lot of personality

i agree with you but the reason they wanted to remake tidal wave was because they believed it wasn't going to be rated, which was natural based on roptops stance on the level.

Saying "Just because he's paying for collab parts means his levels are soulless?" completely misrepresents Wherwin's point and shows that Cherry fans or members can't put together arguments for anything.

I think I got lost in the middle of what you were saying. Maybe your conversation with Vernam revealed more than you showed here, but the conclusion that Vernam has no passion for creating as an art-form, and that his motivation to host levels is one of greed and ambition didn’t appear well supported. The only evidence you provided were times he flaunted his watch and other expensive possessions, him pointing out how much money he made via donations on a stream he did with you, and his strong convictions about the criteria for good levels. And I’m sorry to say that I don’t gain as much insight into his motivation for hosting levels as you seem to have gotten. Did I miss something integral to your argument in the video? Has he said certain things to you that are more revealing than what I took away from this video? I’m just not understanding. Especially your claim that art, to Vernam, is nothing but a vehicle for flaunting wealth and status seemed to me to just be standing on thin air. I don’t see why it follows that his strong claims to know for certain what the criteria are for good levels and his unwillingness to change his mind on this matter mean that he doesn’t value art intrinsically and only views art as a vehicle for flaunting wealth and status. Maybe do you think you could unfold that specific part some more for me please?

Love how brutal this video was. Also your tidal wave remake criticism was really interesting.. that's not something I thought about before

Don't really play this game much anymore, though I think this sums up the reason why cherryteam (and plenty of other mainstream creating teams) never appealed to me; they never seem to incentivize creativity or uniqueness, meaning a lot of their levels have a really similar and boring feel to them. Kind of a shame since a lot of creators in it are really talented on their own, and it'd be great to see the team come out with something more expressive rather than being held to a specific way of building.

I like how the title of the vid seemingly changed 'teamcherry' to 'Team Cherry' (presumably because of the existence of HK's dev team) Great vid btw!

I really wanna have a debate with you, literally about anything, I just think it’d be fun since you and I share ideals of strong convictions but also retain open mindedness, always why I love your criticisms, good shit.

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i think the original version of kocmoc shows to me that cherryteam will try to appeal to people only looking at the surface level and not deeper in, considering they had to update the level to make it playable even on in level ldm im aware that most people cant play kocmoc or arent really interested in playing it even if theyre capable of doing it but im trying to demonstrate that if they can get away with it, they will. it just exposes their greed further

i love the mother 3 music in the background, never thought i'd see a youtuber like you

nah saying that cherry team will never create a masterpiece or that creating for money means no soul is crazy. first of all, getting paid to do something doesnt mean you're being forced to make it, people can see it as a bonus. second, kocmoc IS a masterpiece. you like it or not, its an amazing level. you can't just say its not, because it its. it has a lot of insanely cool parts, a great endscreen and a lot of effort and passion put into it. calling it souless is just dumb. all your points are just personal problems you have against vernam, but you gotta remember that a leader of a team doesnt make a whole team. change this video title to: why vernam is such an idiot or anything like that. i think it will fit more lol.

id like to think that not all members of this team thinks the same way

Money is not inherently bad in creative places: it's when money becomes your only goal. That's when creativity and art die.

"Vernam, and by extension cherryteam, will never create a masterpiece" basing your judgement of their whole team from one person seems weird, I get he's the host but cmon this is way too big of a generalization

Honestly, I feel like the only reason Cherry Team is under fire a lot is mainly bc of Vernam. He's been a load of shit controlling an otherwise mostly normal group.

why did vernam say that shit like he was the pirate in captain phillips

A summary of this video: Vernam isnt allowed to want to host collabs Vernam isnt allowed to pay the creators Cherry team members arent allowed to insult people who insult them Cherry team collabs are bad because they are hosted by vernam

my opinon is firework is the only cherry team level with a soul, a purpose it feels as it really is a good level

I mean Hollow Knight was kinda good

tidal wave needed a remake at the time because it still was not rated

i am so glad video games have children who just play the game as their core fanbase and not so called "philosophic freethinkers" in their 20s

cherry team has given me the ick for a while now but i haven't been able to put it into words. fantastic video, i always find your commentary very insightful

I disagree with the first part a bit, a remake isnt implying anything, like remixing a song doesn't necessarily imply it needed to be done, its just something people want to do

Firework exists

I love being in 2 communities that have a major figure called "team cherry"

Although I will always enjoy Geometry Dash levels that look cool, I find that the levels and art in general I like the most is the stuff that speaks to me or the stuff I'm able to see a deeper meaning to besides what is presented to me on the surface. I think that CherryTeam levels look cool, but none of them are my favorites ever. However, I still respect the time and effort that they put into their decoration even if what they made doesn't appeal to me more than on the surface level. Also, I want to say thanks for this video, because it's really going to make me think about art in a way that I don't usually look at it.

I'm sure cherry has plenty of truly passionate ppl in there, it's just that in a lot of cases they don't get to really shine, due to how untalented vernam is as a collab host. I'm 100% convinced that none of his collab hosting "success" stems from any sort of talent or creativity, he's just rich n (as a result) famous. Like, take Cytokinesis: this lvl feels a lot more original and tonally whole in its execution than, let's say, kocmoc. And no wonder, cause as I've heard, it was mostly hosted by Sauz and didn't have too much of vernams influence over it. So, I think the main problem here is rather poor leadership and not the corporatization.

Bro, Cherry team is the best of the best decoraters in GD, they made the Tidal Wave remake so that TIdal Wave can get rated. Kocmoc unleashed isn't even a problem, it's like sonic wave infinity, there is almost no difference. They put effort into this stuff and this video is kinda rude. Time to grow the cherry.

I never follow Twitter drama closely so I've always really liked Cherryteam's levels because they're always so consistently high quality, and in general, I just like it when people make good things, and people are recognized for making good things. If Naughty Dogs for example drops another Uncharted game just as a "soulless cash-grab", well, if they take time to make a well-polished video game, with a solid story and exciting set-pieces, who am I to complain? That's why I initially didn't like it when people just automatically hated all cherryteam's levels because they're "soulless". After watching this video... I think I'll still love Kocmoc and crash game, and I think I'll still respect Cherryteam's machine-like precision when it comes to making levels. I usually prefer liking things than not liking things. However, I did not know Vernam and CuLuC were such unhinged people lmao, and I definitely do not agree with their character. I hope they'll at least become more open minded in the future (so I don't feel too bad about liking their levels lol). Props to Wherwin for another banger video. You're like the KrmaL of content creators, I never know what insane takes you'll come up in your videos, yet I somehow feel compelled to agree with you anyway. My favourite content from you is definitely the Lonely Travel review in your "Geometry Trash: Story Levels", probably my favourite level review of all time, because you have such a way with capturing the general vibe of a level in a few sentences. I hope you don't stop making based takes Wherwin, even if I won't agree with all of them.