Chevy vs Ford: Does the New Silverado ZR2 Have What It Takes to Keep Up with the Ford Raptor? 

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Any time you compare a turbo to a non turbo at elevation the non turbo will be ar a severe disadvantage..its not a fare comparison..you should test them at sea level for a fair comparison...not a good video in my opinion..

Get a performance tune for the zr2

@@bigdusa11it’s great for those of us who live in high altitude areas. They work and live in Denver Colorado. That’s where I live so this is perfect. I’m still getting the ZR2 but it shows me how far off things are. The new ZR2 still out performs my 2014 FX4 ecoboost so I’m happy.

But 1st delete the DOD/AFM system.

@@MastersOfMask Pulsar LT does that but should just come disabled on something like that

@@putz173 If it came with a supercharger like the LT4 engine does, DOD/AFM wouldn't be on the engine plus the truck would have 650/650 hp/trq. That wouldn't be a bad thing.

Why? It doesn't need it.

@@Wolfsbane1100 Your right......it needs more than 650. Why not contact John Hennessey and have them produce a 1k ZR2? I'm sure that would be loads of fun.

lol the 3.5 a "beast" hah

@CrackedHeadsErodingValvesRotenOringLeaksEveryTime yup exactly, I know V8 fans boys diss the eco boost engine lineup but 0-60 times such as 5.3 seconds for the hybrid for example you can't argue with those facts for stock engines if you can't afford a Dodge Ram TRX.

@CrackedHeadsErodingValvesRotenOringLeaksEveryTime try towing..... also sounds like shit

Same here!

They also wax coat their frames because theyre too cheap to do ionic bonding like the Japanese and even Stellantis. Sad. At least Ford still does Merica proud.

@@omardevonlittle3817 ford frames are rusting right now lol

I agree. Take hard earned money and keep taking it for the features in the truck. No way, never.

@@jasonr7253 old ones. The aluminum ones have ionic bonding like the newer Rams. Meanwhile go look under any GM truck in the northeast after 24 months... none of them are forever trucks anymore. Buy a pre pandemic Ram or Ford for that.

The tech is better than previous models. With twin turbos you are just asking for trouble.

At least it has a front locker unlike the rest

Chevy are not trying to compete with the big boys, but are just filling a niche. Prior to the chip shortage, the Raptors were being heavily discounted!! I bought my 2019 for $12,000 less than MSRP!! Now there’s 2 in that market. Once the manufacturers can keep up with demand and fill the lots,,,, well Chevy was smart enough not to add a 3rd direct competitor. The ZR2 much more closely matches up against the F150 Tremor with the Torsen front differential. That is a pretty aggressive limited slip and will only fall behind the Chevy in pure rock crawling. Otherwise they are very close. The DSSV shocks also add a bit of an advantage to the Chevy. With the Ford you can add the Torsen axel to a XLT level finish, put a serious set of Fox shocks, King shocks ar the like and still be thousands less than the Chevy and then there will be only one slight advantage to the Chevy.. thing is in deep snow or mud it very likely the F150 Tremor will outperform the ZR2 Silverado. Too many inexperienced and cityboy comments on here. Glad to read them to see how everyone views each truck mind you.

I agree. GM is missing the wow even simple 35s from factory and the option of 37s from factory would be nice too. GM has the power plants to compete but missing the balls to pull the trigger. Then charging monthly fees for some of the technology is BS too.

@@head0927 - Why would they build a 3rd truck in a market, that when it was stable, was not big enough for just the Raptor?? Like throwing good $$$ after bad. Yes the “Chevy” fans want something similar, but it’s not really economically feasible.

100% agree

I think it makes sense actually. The ZR2 is more livable in daily driving than the other two which is where 90%+ of these trucks are gonna live anyway, and they don't need it to have that WOW factor because they have the Hummer for that. The Hummer is their true halo off-roading truck.

Why didn’t they supercharge it?

@@maxracingteam23 Almost the same power as the turbo v6.

A naturally aspirated engine @ 1 mile above sea level isn’t ever going to win a drag vs something that makes it’s own air.

Power isn’t all that important to me, at least in a vehicle like this. As long as it’s sufficient to have fun I’m perfectly happy.

@@Jtfogle82 true. But it could have been better than the raptor and on the same level as the TRX

Chevy needs some better engine options

Burn it to the ground and start over. The interior redo is really nice but the exterior is so bad

I agree. However, I hear that the supercharged version is coming later.

I think it would be too much of a gas hog.

Superchargers for the 6.2 already exist. The price for one would make this truck cost about the same as a fully-loaded Raptor white beating it.

Who buys these trucks to run the drag strip with them? Completely pointless. Not what these vehicles were designed for.

but that will be really expensive, maybe it's between the price of Raptor R & Escalade V

Or the ss454 🤭🤣

If GMC built a syclone out of the Canyon, I would never ask for anything else as long as I live.

@@timcheek5134 The SS 454 would get walked by any minivan on the market.

@@Terror1Void now it might, but not back then...

They should have released it as a new ss that way it complements how they destroyed the zl1

They should just scrap them all because it's impossible to change the tires after you buy it

@@CortMarshal buying bigger tires is easy but buying and getting gears installed in a brand new truck to accommodate the new tires not easy. Factory optioned 4.10s would be awesome for the people that actually plan to use it. But my biggest wish is a trailboss version with the same factory lockers front and rear without the suspension and interior packaging. Help keep price down.

@@CortMarshal I know that your remark was ment differently but actually it's not far from the truth as Andre explains with how a larger tire would interfere with the upper "A" frame. So yea, there is that.

So what you’re saying is ford cares about power everywhere. Alright

Your correct. Having said that the Turbo will always maintain close to the rated hp no matter what the elevation.

@@mattgray6436 Not necessarily, just the places you tow & go _before_ 100,000 miles. 🙃

Yeah, given that the Raptor is built and advertised as a desert runner, the ZR2 should really but put up against the Tremor. Both of them are built and focused on trails and rocks, it's a much more fair comparison.

Why so the Chevy can get beat even worse?! 😆

@@ajmedeiros77 lol I know right?!? The Tremor would still kick the ZR2’s behind, but at least the sales slips would be closer in comparison, you can do big V8 vs V8 (6.2 vs 7.3) and just run them. Then, there would be no more excuses when one truck wins over the other because of this or that.

@@ajmedeiros77 Didn't the Tremor get beat by the 3.0 Silverado?

@@Wolfsbane1100 gm didn't build the ZR2 to complete with the Tremor. They built it to complete with the Raptor

Right? Every time I see the new 1500s I say "dang that things ugly, surely it can't get worse than that" then the 2500-3500 comes in saying "hold my beer"

Thank you for the feedback.

Nope. Kid has to go. Watching a 19 year old review a 70k truck just doesn't do it for us.

@@muddyguns It does when that "kid" has more knowledge then most wannabes 3 times his age. You're probably happy with a senile president cause, I mean, he's old!

True, you're logic is sound. However you don't buy the top tier super truck with a super price and think I have enough power with my naturally aspirated lol If only they had a 6.2l supercharged ??? I own the 21 trail boss 5.3L, I'm a fan of GM but there's something there not telling 🤔 us

@@ssgbudlong4728 agreed

More often than you think.

Says the Chevy or fiat Chrysler fan 😆

Amused. It’s funny that someone brings that up as though it’s ridiculous. It really does depend on your altitude. Honest. Personally, I prefer a supercharger, but either way at higher altitudes, forced induction allows you to keep making power even as the air gets thinner. Additional. When you’re doing extreme rock crawling at any altitude, boost means you can run up steeper cliffs while using a lighter build. Boost essentially packs more cubes into a smaller motor. For instance, a 174 blower on a Ford 302 build (switched to back to it over my boosted 460 swap), has less weight and makes more reliable power, but it’s also packing well over 500 CID into a 302 CID motor. Fair. Turbos do make boost a bit differently, but sticking with the theme they also weigh less. I just don’t like complication and would prefer to be able to reliably use pump gas.

It's just one performance measure, I think it's just fine. Not the end all but something

Speed is definitely an important factor in how much fun is had

That's bcuz it's the only metric where EV's are usually better than ICE. TFL is preparing us for what's to come.

And price out a huge portion of potential buyers…they know anyone who wants a super charger that bad would and can get it after market.

They better supercharge it if they want to keep up with the V6, good luck with the Raptor R.

The engine they’re putting in the Escalade v should be in the zr2

@@cl3410 majority of truck buyers want it to come from the factory already supercharged. Especially if they are spending 70k plus

@@bantizzle79 ford has a turbo charged v6….very distinct from a super charged v8. Supercharged v8 closer to 80k than 70k. But don’t worry, I’m sure the new ESV engine in the Escalade will find its way into their trucks.

I doubt they have 93 in Colorado. Put some C16 and let's do it again

@Mach 1 nope... I drive a Toyota. Lol

@Mach 1 exactly, gm makes sure they lose no matter what.

See ya

They put out the same junk every year

@@stellingbanjodude No you won't

@@jimr3179 in other words adios

Easy there, Karen. I'm sure the manager thinks highly of you as well

Dang near 0 for sure

Turbo engines have about a 1% power loss every 2,500 ft of elevation and a NA engine looses 3% of its power every 1,000 ft of elevation so the 6.2 is at 15% reduction in power making its 420hp now 357hp and the raptor from 450hp to 441hp. Making all the drag races very biased when it comes to forced induction engines. Yes I understand they test where they live, but you have to base your vehicle based off of where you live. Not on a video that the elements make it biased tword forced induction.

@@fl_atv_riders4455 for grins, they should dig up an old school carbureted big engined truck jetted for sea level and run it at 5,000 feet.

@@jefferp it would look like a bunch of old school diesels racing from the over fueling

@@fl_atv_riders4455 No doubt. 😂Power loss is massive at as little as 5,000 feet.

Amen, lots of torque, great towing and great mpg. What else could you want. That 3.0 diesal can be tuned to get more HP

I’m die hard Chevrolet but prices are just to high nowadays I wish I can get the custom trailboss with 6.2 … my dad got the limeted custom trailboss with 6.2 .. now they only offer it 2.7 , 5.3 , 3.0 diesel… makes me go for the upcoming rattler with 5.0 coyote.. sad 😔

@@sschevmale24 cheaper diesel fuel prices. Almost $7/gallon in Southern California.

@@baldomerovega65 I recommend the GM with the the 6.2 and 10-speed. Best powertrain combo out there.

I get your point but tbf a truck if far more useful and practical than a corvette. Way more room, accessories, towing, hauling, off roading, and longer range for road trips. The corvette and to that extent all supercar/hypercars are overpriced for the actual usability. That truck will do infinitely more useful things than a corvette ever could. Corvettes are good for racing and looking nice. That's their only function. For that price I'd get a truck any day of the week.

Remember when a gallon of milk was .05 cents? Easy there ya, geezer

The raptor finally won lol

@@fireant1272 it'll win against any GM truck

It's better all around zr2 is barely more capable than a z71

Wayyyyyy more torque. Thing has like 600 ft/lbs (yeah it’s rated @ 510 but they dyno over 500tq to wheels- stock(

It would most likely be the same result if not better for the f150 tremor

@@eliasgutierrez6789 Yep, I figured that out after I looked at it a little more closely, Lol. 👍🏻

some of those trucks may not even be able to touch 100mph, My 08 f-150 has a limiter right around 90 something. it will run all the way up there but then it will fall on it's face. You can feel it coasting, then after it drops under a certain speed you can feel the power come back on. Manufacturers will limit a vehicles speed base on tire, such as my FX4. Or better example would be the (IIRC) Camaro on AS tires vs the performance tire. I believe the ones on all season tires where limited to lower speeds, but I may be remembering that wrong.

Somtimes high 13s

My 2.7 ford 4x4 went 14.37 Stone stock in quarter mile .

My 21 rst 6.2 is a fast truck stock for the 420hp its got. In double cab trim trucks roughly 5k lbs. ive hit less then 5.0 0-60s. Ive driven trx, not a raptor though. The silverado is suprisingly close in Good air for being way down on power and NA vs the others. 10 spd is glorious in that truck. I look for raptors to mess with in mine cause trucks not mucch slower as it sits..in 650hp range truck would be an absolute animal.

And i mean animal. Way more so then a trx since their beefier and heavier trucks. I drive one on occasion. To know.

@@danc8919 BS! I have had 4 different Chevy and GMC 6.2 trucks last was a 2020 AT4. I now have a TRX and it utterly rips the living shit out of a raptor. No way in hell is your truck even in the same zip code as aTRX in a race. I consistently get 3.5 second 0-60 in mine all day long.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the eco-junk either. It has a lot of issues that people like to ignore. They act like it's such an amazing engine... it's not. Coyote 5.0 vs that monster 6.2! 😎👍

The 3.5 is statistically more reliable than any GM 5.3 or 6.2 truck engine made after 2007.

@@daniels2761 keep believing that bs

Still won’t do it

The 10spd negates the rear end issue dramatically, that's the whole point of the 10spd, you can make up for a lot on the bottom end and still get better economy.

Sea level would be much closer!

​@@michaelronneseth801 while your right about the 10 speed negating it, the raptor also has a 10 speed so It'll still be quicker from the launch

You are most welcome.

There the same transmissions ford and gm designed the trans together

Are you serious, 6.2 v8 vs 3.5 v6, mind you the chevy has almost double the displacement, and your blaming it on the 6.2 not being h.o!

what are you talking about. it got smoked.

Blah, blah, blah. It did good all considered. Now, if the ZR2 had a supercharged variant it would of completely destroyed thr raptor.

This is a huge difference in 1/4, it got smoked bad.

Are you kidding its 6.2 liters .it's twice the size with 2 more cylinders. I would be pissed if I could not beat a v6 .😆

They should have just released it as a new ss model....

@@brettscott3759 l Hopefully For Next Year.

ZR2 doesnt have a sport mode at all?

@@Hunter-nb5bj No Because That Chevy Company Needs To Put It There!!!!

@@Hunter-nb5bj I had a blazer zr2 and it wasn't about fast it was about messing with jeeps and I rolled that suckered and drove it home legally now its the deer lease car... the raptor came from Baja the zr2 came from the Rubicon... I bet that Chevy could beat it up a rocky steep hill with out a fuss... the raptor need the high side of the turbo for power not a large displacement N/A engine....

I agree the Chevy is a good looking truck except for the front. The front of the truck is hideous. 🤮

@@843OutdoorsSC agreed

... chevys love to blow up radiators

@youtubecantsaveallthesnowflakes I agree 💯

Yea that's a good idea! Raptor would smoke the ZR2 but against Tremor... That would be fun!

You don’t have to watch.

@@brentvance3958 the disinformation to the public is what bothers me. Look at all the comments from people that think the zr2 is underpowered and needs a supercharger to compete with the raptor because they don’t realize how absurd a 16.4 1/4 mile is for that truck. My stock 1997 tahoe ran high 16’s.

GM products are garbage

Yea i can’t see why ur fanboying over this truck it just isn’t that special

Have you blown a radiator and a collapsed lifter yet?

@@ttamcc.4674 I'm a GM fanboy in general. The T1 platform specifically for me as I got to do some work on it when I was co-oping at a supplier for them and it was my first prototype project, and I still think the biggest prototype project I have been part of. And yeah, the ZR2 doesn't seem special since it only has the standard 6.2, but it is the only half ton with a front locker, they didn't do a wide body, so it can go through tighter trails than a Raptor or TRX, and honestly, on a trail, you don't need the extra power, that's how a Suzuki Samurai or Jimny is so capable, small, light weight and just enough power. And GM only gave it 33s, but you can put on 35s easily, you just have to take it upon yourself to change it. 37s though they look cool and big tires do make big rocks seem smaller, hurt your fuel economy, acceleration, add stress to all the drive line components, and your suspension, and all that just makes it harder to live with unless your house is at the end of the trail, just doesn't seem worth it.

@@ttamcc.4674 - I’m not a GM fanboy, but I’d take a naturally aspirated LT engine over that EcoBoost any day, unless I lived and towed at high elevations, which I don’t.

Voice over maybe

ZR2 win

Tremor Has the same HP as the raptor

@@ocrapo9327 the raptor has 50 more HP and 10 more lb feet of torque

@@ocrapo9327 - What Gregory said … Tremor has 400 hp …

Raptor is better offroad too if you care about that. The ZR2 wheel travel is comparable to the last gen Tundra TRD Pro which is an ancient design.

The only change is the gap won't be quite as big but the raptors still will beat it

The Chevy fanboys are sad so they're finding excuses to cope

It's a healthy balance. Fords gotta worry about turbo components in the future. Chevys gotta worry about throwing a rod.

I get it...but only a very small percentage of people (I'd argue far less than the people than live near sea level) operate vehicles on a daily basis at an elevation of 6000 feet or higher. I think that is why they bring this up.

Well to be fair I think over 1/3 of the US lives near the coast (something like 125 million people). Not saying we need to cater to those, just that a lot of people live near there.

He could have bought last year.

I ordered my raptor and was about 6k below MSRP

Which model

@@ahmedalqallaf7436 Denali 6.2

Yeah, pointless. Everyone knows the power of your truck only matters at sea level. No one ever tows up and down mountains at elevation where they might care which half ton truck has more power to the pavement.

@@CortMarshal yeah Pointless. N/a vs forced induction.

Unless of course one lives at that elevation, then it would be pointless to run them at sea level. A dude living at elevation could care less what they do anywhere else.

@@charliedee9276 Plus the fact that what they do anywhere else won't change the result of the Raptor winning.

@@charliedee9276 Reallly? The point of a drag race is to figure out who's going to win. The Raptor win was a foregone conclusion. Thus the test was pointless. This isn't hard people. Simple math. Plus vehicles are rated at standard atmospheric pressure (i.e near sea level, which is where most people live - 75% under 1500 ft). You can easily figure out how much power an NA vehicle will lose at elevation. Would you have expected any other result between a 450 hp truck and a 340 hp truck of similar weights? Of course not, but that's exactly what this comparison was about. Again, pointless.

Sadly not if the Chevy has the displacement on demand active fuel management garbage.

Turbos are a lot more reliable these days....you're living in the past.

Ecoboost more than proven itself over the years! I've seen way more GM (Garbage Motors) fail over my 20 yr plus career as mechanic. Zr2 is absolute joke at that price!

Raptor only comes with the twin turbo v6! Lol comparing a regular f150 with a coyote to the zr2 misses the point. Zr2 is trying to compete with the raptor and trx .

I agree, but Ford doesn't really have a V8 Raptor anyway. What I would love to see is long term. Will the ZR2 outlive the V6 Turbo. Generally turbo engines don't live as long as a N/A, and I believe that's where the ZR2 will shine.

@@bloodtearssweat1373 lol have you not see the issues with the 5.3 & 6.2 Chevy engines currently? Rockers shit themselves, and rods bending at under 5k-10k miles I'm a Chevy fan but it's just the facts

@@hambone7564 yeah it sounds pretty common.

No replacement for displacement

I stopped buying GM after 30 years after their 6 speed in 2011 took a poopooo @ 50k previous 05 GMC cracked cylinder heads @60k.

@@INVERTEDBUKAKI Lol why do ppl keep buying GM..? They break down.

@@ocrapo9327 absolutely! I bought a FORD explorer sport, I never thought I would own a Ford but I love it.

😁👍

Exactly!! Some engineering lady said we built the ZR2 from our voices of our customers what a crock!!! They definitely never asked me what I wanted in a truck!!!

I’m sorry, with used 2021 Cadillac Escalade Sports currently selling for $150,000 what were they _supposed_ to charge for the Escalade V? What would you say that vehicle is worth? Isn’t the Navigator with a dumbed down version of this Raptor engine in the sub $120,000s?? 😂 Cadillac is GM’s luxury/performance brand, they are supposed to get exclusives that their standard brands do not. Ford doesn’t have a luxury performance brand. Lol. So stop comparing them tooth and nail. PLEASE.🤦🏽‍♂️

@@mybro727 first of all a vehicle is only worth what one is willing to pay. Second Cadillacs are made with mostly china, Philippino and Mexico parts...

You and everyone else!

@@Maynardd not everyone else. Both engines are good but the ecoboost a loads more fun to drive.

@@marcharris4176 Everyone else minus you then. You’re the first person I’ve ever heard in my entire existence to say such a thing.

@@Maynardd ya know i didnt see the boosted 5.0 lol thought you ment just a n.a 5.0. my bad in that case your right.

That’s coming up soon!

@@TFLtruck I want you guys to know how important your videos are. I watched several hours of videos and a lot were yours before buying my used truck 2 years ago. I got a 2013 Ford f150 platinum. I exactly what I was looking for. In half ton pick-up was going to be the f150 with the 5.0. In 3/4 ton was not really what I wanted the gas engines had lacking results and the diesel engine made more sense in which case the ton pick-up had more capacity to tow and made more sense. If I had went to the ton the Ford and dodge impressed me with power and fuel efficiency but Chevy really seems to split the middle. So at that point it was really a toss up for which one was the cheapest and lowest mileage all three had advantages and disadvantages but watching your tests I knew all three would be able to meet my needs.

@@dannytravis7118 they don't care

TRX

@@daytona3927 Not exactly. 0-60 is as good as it gets. Everything else, the Raptor is the best and most proven platform for years.