@@Wolfreiser buddy they did pick the one I liked because I love gm way more than ford. But the fella said himself that he was all for chevy so he is therefore biased
Dixie Strong223 The only hard thing with this is they would more or less have to pick someone who knows virtually nothing about trucks to have a truly unbiased opinion, so how unbiased are you talking? Also my mistake for not catching that you mentioned that you were a Chevy guy.
@@Smitty-op4ld he pulled the handle all the way out he wouldnt be able to do that if it was jammed so yes it looks like the gate was locked. but also it probably was jammed anyway considering the strain damage that was caused to the tailgate. I think it was locked because they were planning to fail it regardless.
@@metalavenger23 you ever had an old pickup? You can pull the handle out on a jammed pickup unless the latch is what's jammed, pressure on the sides of the gate will hold it fast.
Omar Flores the biggest problem is all the emissions bs. Especially for guys who only use their HD trucks to ride around town in. I haul with mine across the US and Canada. Working these trucks are the best thing for them.
except this is an unfair test because ford literally designs their frame to do that to increase the flex in the tires/ suspension so that all 4 tires will still be on the ground and give you traction
That comment makes no sense, so you're saying a more floppy frame is stronger? It's a frame not a noodle! At least you have 34 Ford guys as your comment liking cheerleaders
@Grady Frankovich , that's bs. My family has owned two fords in my lifetime. The first was a '97 F350 XL Crew Cab Dually. Beautiful truck, but we had rebuild the tranny 3 times. The second was an Explorer (I don't know the year). We had it for about 2 years before the engine blew up. I like Ford vehicles, but the drivetrains can't be trusted.
Ford's are supposed to have a flexible frame called A C frame and that lets if you're pulling a trailer or let's most of the back wheels to stay on the ground instead of 6 wheels going up into the freaking air and one on the way sarcastically I say
The flex is totally normal. If you put an extra 2 ton in the ford's bed , it will bent more but not break. Do the same with your Chevy and the frame is going to fail because it can't handle the flex. Your chevy is like a drill bit, flex it and it will crack somewhere.
I have a 79 Ford, and while I don't have any issues with sudden bed denting, I will say that there is enough flex to the frame that you can see the bed/cab offset just from parking on uneven terrain, like next to a tree. Does it bother me? No. Would it be better if it didn't flex? No. The frame is part of the suspension, in my opinion. It's just a great big Model T.
After watching a number of old trucks off road, frame flex appears to make up for the lack of suspension travel in leaf spring suspensions, often resulting in better traction.
I will speak from experience. I bought a brand new of the lot 2015 Ford F-150 and out of the 7 months I had it, it sent a total of 3 months in the shop being repaired broke down on me constantly and everything you can imagine went wrong. Dealership offered me another one when I told them I wanted to return it to purchase another vehicle and I kindly said no and bought a Chevy Silverado I’ve now had it for 5 years going on 6 and it has not been to the shop once and it runs just as smooth as the day I bought it. That is my unbiased experience with the 2 vehicles.
Ok now that I’m parked sideways with two opposite side wheels on ramps I’m gonna go unload all the shit in my trunk by opening the tailgate and not grabbing it
@@jacksonmeads1161 @Nikolas Fedorko Are you two the guys that were also laughing at Ford for making vehicles out of aluminum alloy when that's exactly what Chevy is doing now?
CASPER 12345 Is that why Chevy is so much less reliable? Fords are on the ranch because they are tough. Chevys are on the road cause that’s all they can handle.
@@andrewmclamb6984 Lmao the Chevy's frame was definitely bent by the test. The reason the bed flexes is to make sure that the frame doesn't get bent and so that the energy has somewhere to go. Also this test was staged- bolts were loosened in the Ford
Most people just don't like it because it's a completely new design, but to be honest, even if you don't like the truck or don't like Tesla it should be a good thing that it has so many features. Silverados and f150s have been the same thing for years, but now Tesla is putting pressure on Ford to make more affordable trucks with more features. Cause with a 40k price tag and all the features the cybertruck has, it's a serious competition over an f150.
Stonewall Jackson 2wd vs 4wd. What are you expecting them from. Why didn’t they use Ford electric with 4wd or HD 4wd? Tesla chose Ford 2wd to cheating as they thought we all too stupid to notice. We busted them.
OK, critical thinking questions: Is the level of stiffness shown here necessary or even good for the longevity of the truck as it is put through the paces of its working life? Alternatively, does a pickup truck's frame need to exhibit some measure of flex / resiliency in order to prevent any type of snapping/shearing or long term metal fatigue? I really don't know the answer here, so I'm genuinely asking.
+sammy duran How about the chevy commercial with the bear and with the steel cage and aluminum cage where everyone went into the steel cage when real bear cages are made of aluminum.
Whitestar Ya pretty funny, what I'm waiting for is for the new aluminum super duties to go through frame twist obstacle, I wonder how they're gunna hold up this time lol
Paul Wright No they don’t. Maybe a full size, but mid size and jeeps are where it’s at for rock crawling. And are you blind? Chevy’s reliability is shit. Are you getting your data from JD power, because that is straight bull shit? People pay for those awards.
Paul Wright they say fords are the number one selling truck brand. Do they put Chevy and GMC together in that calculation? GM is by for the best out there.
Well i got a 96 chevy truck with 496k miles on it only replaced intake gasket and wearable parts and of course 4l60e trans . thats 496k of chicago stop and go and driving across kentucky through mountains
Neil Whitmore Any smart dealer would never try to conduct a bullshit test because then people would find out by trying to test their own trucks and sell them and buy the competitor. This is the one time where you don’t want to lie to your consumers.
@Sgtqman19 lol yeah but if you can have a truck that has more traction than the competition, twist like that, drive off, and be safe in crashes then your definitely winning in the "truck game"
the only people that can say that neither o these trucks are any good are dodge fans, because gmc/gm makes/owns chev which is a piece of shit company trying to beat out a great one.
I'm not a Ford lover or anything like it but, this whole situation looked staged... It's just that with all that twisting one could think Ford would bend backwards for their fans
The thing about Bed Twist is that the less you have, it is NOT a better thing. A stiffer chassis has to endure more force to not bend as much, and can lead to stressing of the metal frame and possibly breakage. The Chevy has too stiff of a frame. Doing this too much will stress out the chassis after a while, and it will either become permanently warped or will break. The Ford frame is OK. Not perfect, but it is enough give to put less stress on the frame of the vehicle. You can't open the tailgate in this position, but when are you ever going to need to?
You get the point! FORD's frame could use improvements like anything else that which has been done since the 70's till 2015. I sure hope that FORD sticks to there beefed up C-Channel vs a Thinner Fully Box'd Chassis when the Superduty is due for a major update soon and just continue to develop on what has worked for so long. GM and RAM's solution was to go with a STIFF Sausage, Good in Bed with Her, BAD if you Wrestle with Her. Should I say, Broke Sausage!!
WRONG, They are all using steel which is flexible but the difference is fully boxed vs c channel. In addition, RAM and GM has more cross members to provide additional durability. Ford is using outdated frames from 1970s.
Let me tell you why that's bullshit. More cross members means more welds. More welds provide more places there the chassis can break from flexing. Less cross-members provide a bit of extra flex in the chassis, but this means the chassis has less possible breaking points and is thus more durable. Ford sticks with the saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Their chassis, 1970s or not, has proven that it does its job better than its competitors. Let's not mention how many times GM has had to re-engineer the chassis they use. Some GM vehicles are famous for the weakness of their frames, particularly Chevrolet and GMC.
***** Going along with that way of thinking, Ford must have the worst motors as they redesign them all the time and never have a long running model. Unlike the Chevrolet Gen I small block that lasted 50 years.
Notice that the 1-ton trucks were loaded and they didn't drive the 3500HD up all the way on the ramp so that the rear duals would hang off the ground. If they did the Chevy would suffer frame damage because it doesn't flex enough. A tailgate costs less to fix than replacing a frame.
Dylan Gilbertson The empty 3/4 ton trucks (both Ford & Chevy) were driven further up the ramp than the loaded 1-ton trucks (both Ford & Chevy). If flex is bad, why to class 8 trucks have c-channel frames? F-250 and up trucks are more sought after by up-fitters because their frames are stronger and easier to build off of. How many Chevy or Dodge ambulances have you seen in your life? Any reputable tow truck builder will not even touch a Dodger or modern Chevrolet truck. What do most of the power companies use? Construction companies? Manufacturing? etc. Don't lie to yourself. The Ford is selected more because it is built like an industrial grade truck. Industrial grade trucks do not have boxed frames. I love the boxed frame that my F-150 has. Its really firm and rides like a tank, but it will not withstand the compressive load that a big c-channel can. I wish they would load these frames up to the point of failure. If they did, everyone would see that the Ford would handle more weight before it fails than the Chevy or Dodge. If the loaded 1-ton Chevy would have been driven on the ramp like the 3/4 ton it would have been damaged. At the very least the welds would have failed at the cross-members.
supermotox55 Dodge has the worst frames. I know a man who built Chevy and Dodge frames for 30 years; he drives a Ford. Chrysler has always chosen the cheapest way to get the job done. Back in the late 80s Cummins told Chrysler that they wouldn't let them use their engines until they improved their frames because they wouldn't hold up, and they didn't want the reputation of their engine ruined. They were DESCENT until the late 90s, but then they started cutting corners again. For example, if you take a 2002 Dodge to a tow-truck builder to get up-fitted they will tell you to get lost. The whole truck would need to be tore down so that the entire frame could be beefed up. Chevy had a pretty good frame in their 3500HDs around 96'-00'. That is why you see a considerable amount of tow trucks in these years that are Chevy/GMCs.
supermotox55 Chevy has the worste frame! what the hell are you talking about, Ford has the toughest frame by far. If anything Ford can compete with dodge chevy is at the bottom of the barrel. just remember Chevy is GMCs retarded brother.
Joshua Moore dude. This is the same test. Its not like the tool box test they could have faked. This just shows chevy has better quality and always has.
I've seen many Chevy frames crack around the steering gearbox, at least on the older ones, newer ones up to a certain size probably are using a rack and pinion system
Oh my lord... i have completely zero relation to all the truck topic but this video is such a nostalgia blast for me in like 2012 when i was 7 i think ive seen this video randomly, probably due to yt recomendations being weird as always
That's done by your suspension... Not the frame of the truck. I see why you're a Ford guy. You guys don't know trucks you get repairs done at the dealership.
And what do you do? Sit in your chevy waiting for it to start but it wont? Seriously dont need to be mean about let him decide what truck he wants. Also chevy has a lot of recalls lately on all on new trucks and you expect that new trucks should be better.
@@ravethephantom6184 Ford SHOULD have a lot of recalls, besides, no car buff drives Ford's and you'll notice that and for a good reason. They aren't built to work on. They're built to bring into the dealership with the other house wives.
See the key word here is SHOULD but they dont have any as of late honestly I'm not trying to make anyone mean here in the end of the day if you have the money then buy whatever the heck you want if you want a ford get a ford if you want a chevy get a chevy I'm just saying what I see from all of this. Honestly everyone has different experiences and no matter what they dont really matter honestly I love trucks of all kinds but I really dont like to hate on any brand but Ford aren't bad at all just have to take care of it like every other vehicle and your good
@@Smitty-op4ld "That's done by your suspension." no it's not. you only have like 8 inches of suspension travel, you'll rattle your brain out of your head and shit out your spine relying solely on the suspension. I drive my 2009 F150 through dirt roads all the time and I can see the cab and bed moving independently of each other, and it's never been and issue. this truck has lived almost it's whole life in dirt and it's as strait as an arrow.
You also don't want a truck to be as stiff as the Chevy under load, it can reduce traction. the torsional twist helps keep at least 3 wheels planted to the road. Chevy's and Dodges are notorious for cracked frames when plowing
Yeah but if you go up a little hill like the one in the video, the bed door doesn't get jammed as the Ford did. My Chevy has been through hills and back. She's outdid any Ford truck even in accidents.
Kevin Wayburn actually it's the consistent flexing that causes the snapped frames it's like grabbing steel and bending it back and forth until it snaps less flex is better which is why they snap ram had rust and a stress point at the front of the bed that would cause snapping
love the F series id dominant at worksites arguments... a company that sees 2 trucks 1 cheaper and with few short term problems is likely to chose it as they can save money that way. but it's like buying cheap tools you can buy manny and it doesn't matter if 1 breaks because you got another one you can throw at the jobb.... to many companies work this way..
how does this prove anything? The only benefit to the kind of test is maybe for rock crawling. Who is going to park their truck with two opposing wheels off the ground not to mention do it on purpose?
even going through just small ditches puts your truck in that position and I take my 2011 Silverado on them on a daily basis and the tailgate hasn't broke yet. so therefore Ford is complete trash
i got no problem with the chassis flexibility. i am a horse transporter, and i use that flexibility when i am pulling my 47 feet, 23.000 GVWR with 8 warm bloods of 1.300 pounds each one, specially when i am at the farms picking them up off road. in the past i drove a Sierra 3500 and i had no problem, it wasn't a bad truck, some little electric issues (nothing major), and the interior is not the nicest, but i change for a F450 king ranch cause i need a stronger rear axle, and it is amazing, a little slower, but more powerful on hills, it is almost 280.000 miles, and i had nothimg bad with it, just a problem with thw DEF sensor, and a leaking in the oil pan when it has around 180.000.
Mrjoecreeper they still don't in their medium duty trucks, and whether or not Ford uses it now, it still stands that semis use an open C for the reason I listed, I would think that peterbilt and freightliner and Volvo and all of those companies would've figured out what's best by now.
Justin Walters I get what you're saying. But don't take any offense by this. Comparing their Medium Duty line and Semi-Trucks to Pickup trucks kind of redundant considering that the average Pickup will see more uneven roads than your average Semi or Medium Duty trucks. You know what I mean?
main reasion rigs use C-channel's is because it saves weight, and the less the vehicle weigh the more you can haul, and the same load can be carried with less fuel consumption if it's lighter. i dont know about you but cant remember last time i saw a rig having to do some offroading to this extent.
This is a perfect controlled test. Regardless of who they hired to speak. What we need is a follow up test from an independent source to verify this frame twist issue. If a Ford guy thinks this is bullshit than bring your dually on down and out her to the test. We can all make a RU-vid to document the results.
@@andrewmclamb6984 I didn't realise, but you are in every comment defending chevy- for what? Its painfully obvious how staged and fake this is. Also, suspension on both trucks has its limits. Once the chevy's suspension gets bottomed out- ting! The frame goes bye-bye. The Ford won't have that problem because excess energy is channeled into the bed. And even if the bed gets damaged, it's a hell of a lot cheaper to replace a bed than an entire frame.
torsional rigidity should be of a real world test. Not some ramps that keep the wheels off the ground. GM is always coming up with weird test like the "empty toolbox" pushed over the bedside but you can see on the commercial it punctures the GM bed also.
I love how people fight over brands. I LOVE Ford, Dodge, and Chevrolet (GM). Out of them they all have weaknesses and strengths. I like Chevrolet for towing, its low to the ground, comfortable, and unlike Dodge and Ford the Allison cannot be beaten, but I wouldn't take my Duramax offroad without a lift kit. I like my Dodge because you can't get the sound of a Cummins from anything else on the market, the nostalgic semi front end, and my 24v Cummins will outlast my Duramax and my 7.3 Stroke hands down. And my 7.3 stroke and 5.9 Cummins both are high off the ground, ride like haywagons, and have solid front axles so I play offroad with those two and haul four wheelers. Plus, my 36' Forest River 5th wheel is heavy and the Duramax with sling that rig all over the road, but my Cummins and Stroke just don't do that. They pull it don't get me wrong, but my Duramax will mop the floor with both my Cummins and powerstroke pulling that trailer while they remain unloaded. Love them all, the big 3, but you can't get the entire package in one truck. Never happen.
The new Rams with the cummins use AISIN transmissions, so as far as the powertrain goes I would put them above the GM at this point. I'm purely talking about the engine/trans. Rear ends are solid too.
I clicked this video thinking it was something else. But, since I'm here, Ford (or even Ram) never had the issues with cracking frames and cross member separation that GM did. I believe GMs goal was to satisfy GM drivers that primarily use their vehicles as more of a commuter vehicle.
the relief of the ford twist test, might be helpful while towing a heavy ass load. a stiff frame might not always be the best. (granted rust development)
I had a 2012 Ford Superduty and traded it for a redesigned and much stiffer framed 2017 Ford Superduty with the new high strength steel boxed frame. Yep, I can tell the difference.
Im a chevy guy all the way, but have personally seen and driven both trucks in similar situations, and have NOT seen a ford perform that badly, let alone crease the endgate. Somthing must be rigged here. They are both quality trucks, and in real situations neither will have a problem like this.
It is very seldon you would ever flex this hard unless you are either trying to demonstrate flex or are rock crawling. I can see this happening under extreme circumstances. Most trucks that crawl make some nasty noises in the chassis as they flex. Just watch any rock crawling video on youtube.
Thank you. I am a ford guy but at least one or two chevy guys actually understand the facts about ford. Ford and Chevy make their trucks differently and i have my reasons for liking ford over chevy but at least one chevy guy knows the facts and doesnt try to go with the Fix Or Repair Daily bullshit
I own 8 trucks. 4 Fords, 1 Dodge Ram, 1 Silverado HD(one used in this video) and a toyota tacoma. When you see the undercarriage on the Chevy in this video you see reinforcement struts. The Chevy (LTZ package) that I have does not have those reinforcement struts. I think that they reinforced it for the video. Although all car companies are at fault for this jackassery ford and dodge is still better.
I've owned a 1979 Ford F-100, 1990 Ford Ranger and now 2018 Ford F-25O. I'm not brand loyal. It's a coincidence that a Ford is what I decided on at the time.
