Christian Nationalism & The Chaos Of Female Leadership | with Stephen Wolfe 

Overall, as I am reading through this book I am less sold on Christian Nationalism than before reading. That being said, Chapter 5 "The good of cultural Christianity" is by far the best argumentation so far and worth the price of admission. (Future editions should just lead with this chapter instead of the weird prelapsarian theorizing) I may not end up agreeing with the formation of a a civil government enforced "true religion" .... But people who are eager for the church to be a persecuted remnant in the west... None of us are prepared for a return to Nero's Rome... And that or worse is exactly where the west is going. The danger is not the probable collapse of society either. A truly post Christian America has the wealth and power potential to be a greater scourge on the world than Hitler.

So thankful to be able to listen to this conversation. Thank you both for your wisdom and ministry.

"Few things have caused more suffering than women's suffrage." What an absurdly ignorant thing to say. (and I'm a Christian man)

I believe you should change the name to "Wrong response ministries"

I find this endorsement very odd and concerning. This book starts by admitting it doesn't appeal to theology or Biblical exegesis to make its case, and the reason why becomes apparent as the author is trying to make an argument from a kind of natural theology. The book is hardcore dualism. It goes on to argue for the Roman Catholic "Donum Superadditum" dogma, the idea that the fall only affected our "supernatural" knowledge but not our "natural" knowledge. It goes on even to argue for a sort of kinism. It is *literally* the exact opposite of a presuppositional approach to... everything. And for a book to *self-admitedly* try to make an argument for Christian Nationalism without making Scriptual exegesis its foundation is definitionally a Christless "Christian Nationalism". Brian Mattson, who is a fellow at the Ezra Institute, wrote a scathing review of this book. It's called "A Children's Crusade". I reccomend it.

The West is lazy, unhardened, and unguided. We mistake the grace and mercy of God for His approval of our sin. We spend our time in frivolous activities such as sports, entertainment, and leisure to clean ourselves of the responsibilities that God has given. May God mercifully and righteously judge us for our Repentance. Thank you both for the truth that you declare!

Wolfe (in his book): "We FEEL natural affection for these people (and not for others) and we clearly see the good of preferring them over others. That is to say, we know by instinct and reason that we ought to prefer some over others. It is also evident, from both instinct and reason, that we ought to prefer our own nation and countrymen over others. This instinct is not from the fall or due to sin; it is natural and, therefore, good. We are naturally drawn to what, in principle, is necessary for our complete good." Also Wolfe: we can't trust women to lead or make decisions because they are too focused on feelings. This guy... I don't understand why anyone is listening to him. His whole argument is that we can trust our feelings because they are naturally good, a belief totally contrary to Reformed theology it boggles the mind. He is all about feelings. And then he goes on and on about how women are too in their feelings or empathetic to be leaders.

Want to turn non believers from the true Christ... Use this video. This is the complete opposite of what Christ taught. These guys want to worship "Man" and not Christ.

I don’t think Wolfe understands the difference between power and authority. He used power at the 13 minute mark when what he was describing is authority. That’s a pretty basic error for someone to make who writes a book like this. I get the sense this guy is out of his league.

This really isn’t Christian at all. This is really bad stuff honestly

Your church has less than 50 people or you can't bother to learn the names of your parishioners?

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Joel, can you give resources that have helped you on seeing the dangers of woman suffrage? I agree the suffragettes often were undermining families. But it seems we should’ve had household head land owning votes in the republic, male or female, white or not, and I think possibly only for explicit Christian nationalists who could demonstrate church membership to some not established but theologically orthodox Church, from the beginning. Totally agree reality is patriarchal, and that leaders emerge, and that mostly men leading is a sign of blessing while when kids and women are leaders we’re under judgement. But curious for your thoughts on historical resources for bad effects of suffragettes (Eve in exile? Etc), and whether all forms of suffrage for women in your opinion are bad. Appreciate your ministry, from here in Moscow!

praying for your son and God's healing over your covenantal family.

i have no idea why this was recommended to me, but thank you for reminding me why I'm not religious.

Lost the will to live because we have abandoned faith in God

I am CN all the way because Christ is King. My question is regarding blasphemy laws. I haven’t given this a whole lot of thought, really. What, in your opinion, is a just punishment for blasphemy in a truly Christian nation?

I follow the Bible. I never stopped going to church during the pandemic. The Bible says to meet, and I kept going. My church had it outside for a while, but we met. I was never afraid of the virus, but if I was, I would be more afraid of sinning, so if it was inside, I would have met inside

It’s funny that y’all blame all of our problems on the woman just like Adam did in the garden. Saying that women’s suffrage is the worst thing that has happened to women is probably one of the most sexist things you could say. I’d like to believe y’all are Christian, but I’m having doubts on that after this episode.

Enforced worship on Sunday will be the MARK OF THE BEAST. Today he says, “we want to create the right conditions for Christianity.” Tomorrow they’ll scream “adhere or die, you troublers of the nation!”

Ps Joel what thoughts on the accusations of Kinism against Wolfe? He appears to have an issue with inter racial (cultural) marriage

22:35 "Aquinas didn't say it" And who cares about what Aquinas said?!? A corner stone of false Roman Catholic theology?!?

Localism is a much better option than nationalism. There's just too much diversity and America is just too large. Secondly I don't see how you can achieve nationalism without centralisation

"Marvelication of reality." Love it. Well, I hate it, but it's got explanatory power. If you watch their latest drivel, it's spot on.

By choosing to publish and promote Stephen Wolfe, Doug Wilson has demonstrated that his highest authority is the natural law idol that Wolfe substitutes for Bible law. This is precisely the sin of mother Eve when she exalted her own natural law thinking above the Word of God. Wolfe reveals his hand in the Introduction when he boldly declares that his political philosophy based on "natural principles" is intended to lay a foundation for God's political theology. That is an incredible assault on the authority of the Bible. The weasel words in this video are "civil law is something that binds our conscience to action because it's rooted in the law of God, the natural law, the moral law of God." Historically, natural law has first been equated with the Bible -- as Wolfe does here -- and then the Bible is quietly shuffled to the back door. The whole kinism, white supremist discussion is a red herring that distracts from this fundamental issue. His choice of Wolfe's Thomistic model proves that he does not in fact believe that the Bible should inform our behavior in the public square. By casting his lot with Wolfe's natural law, Wilson has eliminated the distinction between morality and state. Natural law is undefined and undefinable. That's why Wilson and Wolfe cling to the godless, Christ-rejecting U.S. Constitution as the ideal template for civil government. Wilson/Wolfe prefer the allegedly neutral Constitutionalism of the British Commonwealth Men over the Biblical covenantalism of Moses' Book of the Covenant (Ex 24:7). Check GreatBibleResetdotcom.

It looks rather like a USA passport

If you do a followup with Wolfe could you ask him to explain how his understanding of Christian Nationalism is incompatible with credo baptism? Also, Pastor Joel, could you interact with those portions in the book where he mentions it?

Highly recommend everyone reads Brian Mattson’s critique. Wolfe means a lot more by “nationalism” and a lot less by “Christian” than what Bible believing Christians would assume. Someone needs to pin him down on his commitments to pagan philosophers and complete disinterest in Scripture, and make him answer for it. He’s a book salesman peddling nationalism born from a pagan worldview as far as I can tell.

Would be tyrants. Advocates fines or jail for atheism. "Atheism is crushed. You people are nuts.

Woman comes out of man ,you aren’t going to control that! What you can control is how you relate toward that woman , so goes ,the image of God, She should be in the business of the patriarch , it’s her place ..you know a being comparable, out of the side , that would be a sister sort ,you Know the Sarah sort, free woman or you can get a Hagar , The patriarch powers lies in whom he chooses .Then you have the apostolic order of things that Jesus set up , you know the church, to participate with the Father’s and mothers and their children through this life’s journey , teaching the image Of God, that they have all have been given power , to control their destiny in the here and now and the generations to come. If children don’t honor Father Mother in the God since , the image of God since ,They haven’t learned who God is

The Bible says that man is the image and glory of GOD but the woman is the glory of man. So , what do you think we will reap in our Western countries if we put the "glory of man" first all the time instead of the glory of God ? Isn't it fair that we reap so much mediocrity and immorality ? It is just a full-cale corruption of God's perfect order for the sexes. Man was made first , so he HAS to be put first. Women are just usurpers . Just consider that there was absolutely NO QUEEN on the throne of Israel or Judah. Athalia was an usurper and she got killed. That feminisation is a curse , a blaspheme. We do deserve the worst .

Got to love the American Christian church, now us Christians here in Australia, will have to deal with this new ism, out of the United States, "Christian National...ISM."

The most alarming part of this video is that your definition of power doesn't align with the way in which Christ defined power. In fact, the way of Christ is hardly mentioned. That is an extreme problem, as Christ is the one we are called to imitate. "This guy should be hung, publicly," is the "male" perspective that you are promoting as good? In what way is that Christlike? The Christ I know says this: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. Women don't have "untethered empathy"; we have Christ-centered empathy. We are modeling the true Adam, the one who shined light into the darkness with his compassion, empathy, and costly love - not by strong-arming, force, degradation, and toughness, as you would have it. May we look to Christ to see what true power looks like, and not your twisted definition. And may women (and men) called by God continue to shine that light, reflecting the goodness, mercy, love, and forgiveness of our life-giving savior.

This is fascism, pure and simple.

Ah yes, the perfect gift for the Democrat relative who loves winsome Gospel literature. Real chicken soup for the soul.

38:49 No one expects the Spanish inquisition

This is literally anti-Christian. Christ said "My kingdom is not of this world."

People will say you are racist and misogynist because of what you are saying. MLK Jr. and African-Americans didn't bring civil rights on their merit? A performance that took his life. You should learn American history

Try Christian Homeowners associationist. Jk HOA’s are a lost cause.

He argues pragmatically against women in the magistrate; I think there’s a much more straightforward argument. Just view 1 Cor 11 and 1 Timothy 2 on a kuyperian manner. The arguments Paul makes there apply everywhere

What a cute couple of fascists! Awwwww…..

This is wonderful!!!

We do Not need organised religion. Just the scriptures. The man at the front is only a man

Theism is immoral