Clarifying Alfred Hutton: A response to "Friends don't let friends fence "Cold Steel."

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This is a response to Russ Mitchell’s Friends don't let friends fence "Cold Steel." mostly looking at the ways its claims are inconsistent with the historical evidence. “Friends don't let friends fence "Cold Steel." doesn’t properly represent the techniques in Cold Steel as it’s interpretation doesn't match the images in Cold Steel and in many cases uses incorrect terminology. Likewise it misunderstands who Hutton was and ignores details about his life that would tell us how to interpret his manuals.
Video chapters:
0:00 preface
4:39 Who Hutton was
14:22 Misrepresentation of technique
16:06 “Guard of third” is not a tierce parry or an outside guard
20:52 “Guard if Fourth” sort of looks like a quarte parry
22:30 The good parries look more like Hutton’s parries
24:11 Getting High Octave wrong
26:42 Hutton does have the parry of septime
31:03 Hutton’s hanging guard does tire the arm
34:40 Imposing foreign terms on Hutton’s cuts
36:42 Calling Cold Steel French sabre when it’s British backsword
40:00 Not criticising The Swordsman for the same techniques
41:18 Alfred Hutton’s pedagogy
45:02 Is Cold Steel right for you
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since was too long for the RU-vid description, but please check it out so you can see where I got my information from. Sorry to mess you around.

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@Droidekajedi 9 месяцев назад

I really enjoyed the video. My second manual I got my hands on was Cold Steel. Despite the first one being a long sword manual that was more interpretation of old works instead of a translation, I found Cold Steel much easier to read. Unfortunately at the time I was studying accounting and rarely got around to practicing, it was only a year or so ago that I joined a hema club. They discouraged me from using Cold Steel so I went more for meyer's dussack and the club tought Hungarian sabre. But I have a desire to use Cold Steel and you have inspired me to look more into it. Also I must admit I did watch the video you are replying to but stopped halfway through as I was hoping for something more like what you did than they did, as I felt there was little referenced and more of a trust me I know what I'm talking about (I have low opinion of videos that give me that feel, I Iike my references) but maybe it is just that one video of theirs and their others are better

@Ivalid321 Год назад

nice to see you back!

@Wolf-Wolfman 8 месяцев назад

I very much enjoyed your video. The high octave parry is a very useful technique to learn. And as is a lot of sabre parries, tends to get viewed as a static positional thing. I can certainly understand thit as you are viewing a drawing of a fencer holding the parry in one position. The reality is that that is a snapshot of the parry that is transitioning from the starting guard, to the parry and then to the reposte (with or without feints). It's all pretty much one continuous flow. One of Hutton's teachings we don't use that often though is the medium guard (though it does have it's specific uses on occasion).

@jezzeronthecoast Год назад

Thank you for this video.

@SwordAndWaistcoat Год назад

My pleasure. I had a lot of fun making it.

@jezzeronthecoast Год назад

@@SwordAndWaistcoat I hope you do many more (both the history and technique videos for those of us who sadly can't get to physical classes).

@jf5078 Год назад

I don't care for Cold Steel but I like Huttons other work especially the Swordsman and Fixed Bayonets. I don't think Hutton knew Parise's method very well , CS really felt like a Hodge podge effort of British sabre and a poor interpretation of Parise. Too each thier own though.

@SwordAndWaistcoat Год назад

I don't disagree that Cold Steel is Hutton going full sword nerd, but I think that has its place. I think the big problem with Cold Steel is that it was intended as an advanced manual that was meant to give fencers a lot of different options, but since it's so readily available a lot of people try to start sabre with it without having done foil first (as Hutton suggests). I've honestly found the mix of Victorian sabre and 18th century backsword really useful recently since I find switching guards is a really great way to prompt me to switch game plans when fencing. But you're right that it's really horses for courses when it comes to manuals. Like I think the problem with Cold Steel is that it's often used outside of the context it was intended for.

@jf5078 Год назад

I feel like Hutton wanted to capitalize on the popularity of Italian sabre methods. They were in vogue and he was trying to grow the fencing scene in England.

@SwordAndWaistcoat Год назад

There's definitely a bit of that, like Hutton really is trying to sell his stuff. But at the same time he really is trying to be comprehensive in what he describes. Like he wants a manual that tells the reader about as much as possible which seems to be one of the things that was valued about it in the period.