Well, the MK party still got less the 50% of the vote in KZN didn't they? That means that, regardless of the fact that they're the largest party in that province, more than 50% of the voters (meaning the majority) did not vote for them. So, therefore it's not against the will of the voters that they're not in government there.
@@Jono98806, your assessment of percentages can't justify a mere 18 percenter section of KZN assisted by more than three parties whom when averaged can't even make half of 50% to rightfully think they can represent the will of the voters, let alone the people of KZN, especially on false premise of gnu!!
@@jaykin6970 What are you talking about? The 4 parties that have formed the provincial government in KZN together form a majority. Yes, the IFP might only have gotten 18% of the vote by itself but they're governing together with 3 other parties which takes it above 50%. So, the provincial government in KZN represents the people who voted for any of those 4 parties, not just the IFP.
What happened to the reply I posted here, why is it removed - how is it found to be sarcastic or anything worth it removed, while I painstakingly attempted to be respectful (thru use of accommodative words such as 'perhaps') - what's gone wrong!?!?!?!?
@@jaykin6970 I don't know. I'm always happy to engage and I didn't see your reply. Sorry about that. I see that my long reply to you on the other thread has also disappeared. I don't know why the channel owner would want to delete that, I don't think that I was disrespectful. I just explained my position.
She couldn't respect the "dogs"....majority KZN voters are being called dogs by this Zille for that the people of KZN should not forgive the ANC and IFP for selling us to the whites
@@user-qq2oh4pt9h how did the DA cheat the MK in KZN. The MK at their own did not want to participate in the GNU although the ANC invited them. So what rubbish are you talking.
Kzn should be governed by MK, finish and klaar. MK got 45% of the votes there. In as much as they did cheat mk, let them taste how it feel to be cheated by ANC in GP. MK should be the one to decide whom they want to govern kzn with, not visa versa.
Whilst in KZN it's totally a different story and yet a certain party passed with flying colors 🤷🏾♀️ kanti the voice of the people only applies in the favor of the DA& ANC
The Caucasian race has taught other ethnic groups how to lie and deceive professionally and successfully. U need to blame yourselves because u are excellent scholars in deceptions and manulaptions. Cyril Ramaphosa has learned very well from u. Your book is a global bestseller.
Hi Mighti, what difference does it make if the ANC, the DA and IFP together have control over the economic hubs of the country. The ANC had this control for 30 years and they brought the country down to its knees. This is an opportunity for them to work together for the betterment of the country. If the ANC is not negotiating in good faith then that means they have something up their sleeves to promote their past thieving and corruption.
Ok, so if the ANC doesn't honor the agreement, obviously the other parties can also decide to break the rules of the agreement as they wish??? As soon as a leader goes back on his word, we as the voters will know he doesn't care about us the voters and what we want. Once again the ANC shows that they do not care about the people!!!
Thank your for your impartial analysis. DA's attempt to overreach and arrohance must be checked. Mutual concessions and collaboration are needed in the interest and for the advancement of the country. In my view, a GNU is a government in which you invite other smaller parties or individuals to join in implementing the policies of that government. If you disagree with those policies, you can decide not to join or eventually resign. A coalition is much more demanding on either sides, with clear guidelines and common ground for the coalition to hold. So, why is this government called GNU in the first place whereas negotiations are led as in the case of a coalition. Is this confusion not intentional !
It is still not the spirit of the gnu - the legal prolific, Mr. Dali Mpofu highlighted that legally/constitutionally, participating parties should all combined meet 80% (if not 85% - I stand to be corrected)!!
The calculator says the cabinet positions must be as follows: 1. ANC = 3.4 which is 4 2. DA = 3 3. The other 3 to other parties. Or 1. ANC = 5 2. DA = 4 3. other party = 1
According to the Macmillan English Dictionary, if a place or an organization is going to the dogs, it is not as good as it was in the past. People often say things like “This country’s going to the dogs. Things aren’t like they were 30 years ago” or “This train service is going to the dogs. The trains are always late. The seats are uncomfortable and the fares are high”. The origin of this expression is believed to be in ancient China where dogs, by tradition, were not permitted within the walls of cities. Consequently, stray dogs roamed the areas outside the city walls and lived off the rubbish thrown out of the city by its inhabitants. Criminals and social outcast were often expelled from cities and were sent to live among the rubbish - and the dogs. Such people were said to have gone to the dogs, both literally in that that was where they were now to be found, and metaphorically in the sense that their lives had taken a distinct turn for the worse.
I disagree in your way of thinking-really-It seems you not really objective in your comments. What is your objective in your podcast 😢 We as voters wants objective comments and opinions-for the best of SA-please!
According to the Macmillan English Dictionary, if a place or an organization is going to the dogs, it is not as good as it was in the past. People often say things like “This country’s going to the dogs. Things aren’t like they were 30 years ago” or “This train service is going to the dogs. The trains are always late. The seats are uncomfortable and the fares are high”. The origin of this expression is believed to be in ancient China where dogs, by tradition, were not permitted within the walls of cities. Consequently, stray dogs roamed the areas outside the city walls and lived off the rubbish thrown out of the city by its inhabitants. Criminals and social outcast were often expelled from cities and were sent to live among the rubbish - and the dogs. Such people were said to have gone to the dogs, both literally in that that was where they were now to be found, and metaphorically in the sense that their lives had taken a distinct turn for the worse.
@@bongani2281That is factually wrong, majority of the country did not vote for parties that want to fully abolish the constitution like the MK and somewhat like the EFF.
I really don't understand why our people in KZN are not retaliating. DA and IFP was not their will. Not just MK members but all of them as a collective. This truly annoys me
Actually, if you look at the policies that the EFF and MK promote, most people think that they'll cause the economy to tank and they're perceived to be corrupt. So, the notion that them governing KZN would be a disaster for the province is actually what a lot a people think.
It is better you likened MK to EFF or vice versa as their policies converge, you can still count them as one altogether. And as for DA and ANC - it beats even proffesional analysts as to how they can find each other: it's like two gangsters fighting each other for territorial control, however agreeing to unite against a new emerging one to prevent it gaining momentum without any chance of trusting each other - it's no surprise they go thru public spats and do not want to give each other the benefit of being put first relative to another by results, instead seeing themselves as equally giving rise of one over another of which they despise even when they compromised their 'sovereignty' when agreeing to unite in war!!
@@jaykin6970 The fact that they have different policies and even ideologies doesn't mean that they can't work together, it just means that they have to compromise. In fact, I'd argue that having an ideologically homogenous government is not necessarily good for democracy. Sometimes you need to listen to other perspectives in order to come up with better policies that work. I think that both the DA and the ANC at least want to lift people out of poverty and reduce income inequality but I could be wrong.
@@Jono98806 I want to respect your strongly made point, however, put me into light to understand how a party that is against redress (another principle underlying democratic dispensation) would alleviate poverty much evident in the ever growing rich-poor inequalitis, to mention just one!?!?
@@jaykin6970 I think that we need to understand what the policies actually are. I disagree with the DA's historical opposition to affirmative action, for example, because of course we need redress for inequalities created by the apartheid era. However, we also have to look at how effective these policies have been as currently implemented. It's been 30 years since since these policies have been put in place (initially done by Nelson Mandela's administration in 1995), but even now, 30 years later, economic inequality not only still exists, but is still divided along racial lines. White people are generally more wealthy that the majority black population and South Africa has the highest Gini coefficient of any country in the world. So, we at least need to review the policies in order to work out how to make them better and more effective. One way of lifting people out of poverty that has worked in other countries around the world is simply by growing the economy and hence creating more jobs for people who are unemployed, something which I think that DA has at least been in favour. So, in the case of lifting people out of poverty, it's probably a good idea to consider ideas from both sides and put them together. Both sides probably have both good and bad ideas but by combining them together and through negotiation, the good ideas (such as economic growth and redress policies) can be put forward while the bad ideas (such as outright opposition to affirmative action and BEE) can be sidelined.
Pretty messed up that the DA just straightup asserting that they know better than the ~7 million people that voted for MK and the EFF. Feels like swart gevaar towards the parties themselves, and infantilization of their voters
Not even the DA, but they thought they were the better master manipulators and saw their opportunity to get to hold the strings of political power with their average 20%, (of which is even far less than Angie's productive capacity - 😅)!!! As it is said; "there shall be no honour among thieves"!!!
I guess your analysis is unfair. The DA won the WC, the ANC is part of the KZN government led by the IFP. The DA was voted in Gauteng up to 27 close to 34,% of the ANC. The ANC shouldn't be allowed to use their feelings in decision making but the will of the people.
You and DA should be the last people to talk about "The will of the people". DA wants to take out a toothpick from someone's eye but can't see a log of a tree in their own.
She is spot on and you have got it wrong sir. The agreement must stand as and it is there to bind and regulate the actions of parties equitably. Hellen should realize that the anc is a sellout organization and has no intention to play fair in any situation. My advice to you is 0ull out and leave the anc to face the political jungle without your support. To get things moving why don't you pull out and cooperate with the opposition and impeach Ramaphosa. Hit them where it really matters and that is where your power is. I say these things in fairness to your party but hasten to day that I do not support your party nor any parties to the gnu. As an mk supporter we love and cherish the spectacle evolving for public entertainment.
at about 19:08 of the video, Helen says that the KZN people should not be thrown to the dogs. KZN people would rather be with the Dogs than a master. IF MK is the dog, then we, the people, are the dogs. We willingly voted the MK in our majority in KZN. MK is us, and we are the MK.
Negotiations in each sphere of government should be fair and apply the proportionality consistently. DA got the short straw in national executive both in numbers and importance of ministries, it's only logical for them to expect a fair deal in Gauteng. Hoping rationality prevails
Negotiations and publicizing of gnu have never been a fair game, as they fail to meet the principle of democracy and standards of trust. Hope reality check checks in!!!!
Wat about kzn peoples vote? The majority made t clear they want MK but because you magogo think you better an clever. You change the will of the people
Nothing else is relevant to consider,cause the logic anc are suggesting makes it so that they should rule western cape also because they had most votes nationally
He is saying a Statement of Intent is not an agreement. It is not legally enforceable. The litigious manner with which Helen is speaking in reference to the Statement of Intent becomes hot air as it was never signed as an agreement by all parties.
Statement of intenet is an agreement that is NOT legally binding. It is a document that expresses a organization's intentions and plans regarding a particular project or relationship, period. Nothing more than that.
Hellen lied with a straight face. The DA are the ones who told the ANC they want three, and the ANC can share the 7 with other parties. Panyaza read the document live on TV.
Hi Mighti Jamie, I enjoyed your perspective. However, although your English is much better than mine, I think you misunderstand what 'throwing to the dogs' mean. It is an idiom, not to be taken literally. Please understand this was not meant to be derogatory.
Terms like "Rational and fair" , "Respectful settlement " and based on "Proportionality".These terms are fascinating. They make one wonder how KZN landed with the DA IFP, ANC pact despite MK having the highest voter -share of close to 4 million voters? yet MK extinguished in. KZN might be foolishly viewed as done and dusted and a working template for other provinces , but the foundation is extremely rocky. 8What happened to "Rational and fair" , "Respectful settlement "? What are their voters saying? Hope these 3 parties that kicked out MK will not be severely punished in KZN. Jamie read it well, The label of arrogance given to the DA is as a result of DA attempting to control the economic cluster (Finance) in KZN, Western Cape and now in Gauteng 3 big economic hubs An absolute annoyer, used by Unions.Yes, "thrown to dogs"is an idiom. The disgust is due to the fact it was mentioned immediately after uttering demonizing words about the EFF and MK then flung the "throwing to the dogs" idiom. Hence it is interpreted literally as downright arrogance to voters of MK and EFF parties
Guys put everything aside and do not see Gogo Zille. It is however a. Powerful negotiation skill. Anc just f up. Maybe they will be good the next time. These are all signs of incompetence from Anc. They need to learn to government Better. Aag Jong.
But hopefully ANC they are going to deliver in Gauteng. I think should ANC keep doing what they are doing DA will have the majority next elections in Gauteng. Even though not the 2026 but next national elections. This might be the marketing campaign for DA. The margins are low.
It's funny how Zille talks about people's democratic will and expression yet they have formed a coalition with ANC and IFP to over power MK in KZN yet majority voted for MK
Which blacks? Only the policians, friends n family n political aligned will benefit buddy, the rest will get R350, child grant n Old age grant as usual. Potholes will be there, prices will be high n the poor/ low class citizens feel it. Govt jobs will be catered for certain few political aligned or friends n family. 😂we wont get anything other than that
To you and me 370 might not means anything now but 20 years ago it would have ment alot to you , so to some it still means , think.... You have no clue what poor people go true in cape town, I'm. From there,
Demonizing/dehumanizing political language is bad, but can we also agree that the ANC saying the DA will bring back apartheid is also demonizing language.
Why should the DA compromise? ANC received 34% and the DA 28% of the Gauteng provincial votes. I guess the ANC thinks 34% constitutes a two thirds majority 😮( maths lit😅)
@@terrencemkhululigxamza2472and how does the spirit of gnu cascades to provinces? 2) How dare do we embrace such spirit and make references to the origins of such gnu government of 1994 that it's absolute majority party shared cabinet posts regardless!!!
@@jaykin6970 remember that even the ANC has provinces that it runs..EC,NW,MP,NC and LP...there is no GNU there because they won those province by majority..it's only where there is no outright majority that GNU is "recommended"
@@terrencemkhululigxamza2472, hence my question numbered 1, given the gross inconsistencies in KZN wherein DA, ANC, IFP, NFP altogether their votes are still less than the half of the total voters of KZN, that is not even 50% however technically occupied most seats!! Sure, you agree with me, that this gnu is fraught with inconsistencies based on a false pretenses such as; the people have spoken, following the will of the people - while it is in fact a power-ego struggle taking opportunity of the people between individual parties that decided to wed a marriage of convenience, and the inconveniences are laying bare as they are spat publicly by the very same parties
You're missleading your listeners. 'Going to the dogs' has nothing to do with people. It's got to do with the effects of missmanagement i.e. the roads, electricity, water and other services become undesireable for humans to live with i.e . 'Going to the dogs'. Personally, I believe you just politicking and show biased judgement. Try to be respectful to the country's leaders and public to gain some credibility in your channel.
I smell a credible hate speech case coming. When I first heard the dogs remark I thought I was being overly sensitive but it cannot be, Adv. Mpofu - get a case file ready! On the other hand, the ANC has dribbled the DA and I think they have not realised it yet. Ms. Zille may be trying to settle scores over the national negotiation whiplash.😂
The phrase "we don't want to leave them to the dogs" is a metaphorical expression that means not wanting to abandon someone to a harsh or dangerous situation. It implies a desire to protect or care for those who might otherwise be left in a vulnerable or perilous condition. It is not typically interpreted as malicious or implying that someone is a dog. Instead, it is a figurative expression used to convey concern and a desire to prevent abandonment or harm. The "dogs" in this context are metaphorical, representing danger or adversity, rather than implying that the people in question are dogs. Can you not pick up on idioms and metaphorical language?
Why are the MK or EFF a harsh or dangerous alternative. The DA asserts this when they have worked with the EFF before. Herman Mashaba worked with the EFF. It’s a troubling use of language when one political rival thinks they are holy and others are dirty and not worthy even though they have been elected.
@UhuruUhuru I agree, the fact that insults are going thrown around, one party calling another racists, white supremacists without proof, and the other using metaphors to describe their disdain. It really is becoming exhausting. It make sence that a liberal-capitalist party would not want to work with a Pan African Communist. Those two ideologies just don't mix. But, can we then fight against these name calling from all corners of politics, show your proof first before allegations. The last sentence you can use to describe how the EFF speak about the DA. Again, all hands are dirty in this war of words.
They da, Anc, ifp rushed to form their GNU without respecting the mkp that they were majority & reality will hit them. We are watching a movie & it's yet to start 😊
People often fearmonger about communism from the EFF and MK parties. In future episodes, could you discuss how liberalism and globalism from the DA might negatively affect South Africa?
Question... Don't you think that the current ANC administration is more worried about the ANC party re-elections in 2026 than the actual municipality elections?
This could be very good. Parties can insult each other all day long but I'm over who is saying what. DA said anc/eff/mk will be dooms day and we heard anc NEC members saying how mass looting happend when anc and eff went into collision in ekurhuleni. We also all know the problems face kzn. Let's see what happens with the provinces till the next local election. Whoever does better will win. But I think voters are tired of being told how parties cares about them and once in power they enrich themselfs and forget bout us.
Why are our comments being removed without any explanation: "What happened to the reply I posted here, why is it removed - how is it found to be sarcastic or anything worth it removed, while I painstakingly attempted to be respectful (thru use of accommodative words such as 'perhaps') - what's gone wrong!?!?!?!?"
O! Now I get it, I had to listen to the excerpt twice, "thrown to the dogs" is an idiom! It means to leave someone out in the cold (cambridge dictionary: to allow someone to be criticized or attacked, often in order to protect yourself from being criticized or attacked: I really felt as if I'd been thrown to the dogs just to save other people's reputations.)
Jamie coming through with the real analysis. Loving the work and consistency 👌👌. I think we must use true language when responding because clear political correctness is for the others not them.
Can I ask you are an anc voter - with due cognisance of confidentiality principle, however taken wanting at the display of your emotional disappointment!!!
The Zama term was the foundation to the decline in the economy, going to the dogs term meaning means the same as going into decline or to become destroyed as in this context, the economy of KZN.
We are in 4th industrial revolution economy will never exist any more . Technology is taking over . Example factories farming mining banks labour is already eliminated. The economy will decline to %0 soon . All politicians are just dreaming
Very true to call people dogs is demeaning and dehumanizing, it's worse when these words coming from a senior white leader to black people given our history🙂.
Gogo Helen Zille with his demeaning language is totally towards MK and EFF in the KwaZulu-Natal is moral and political unacceptable kumina shame. Uyadelela logog. This inherent assumption if anything is govern by EFF nor MK it's going to the dogs, that's just an assertion to DA political rival to this entities. Her assert about catastrophic under this parties is not fully substantiate by anything at all. Logog oshwabene, she's using dehumanizing language which allows for abuse of the people who have been demonized, and it allows ostracization. This is the start senkinga uyosho kuthi ngangishilo. Some parties they don't understand important of politically tolerance under democracy. Mina nje as Mfundo is DA is going to be a problem wherever la ikhona, ngoba izozibona incono kunamanye amaqembu, bese uyavuka umbhejazana
Her logic doesn't make sense to me. The "will of the people" argument is opportunistic because it's just a political arrangement, not the people's mandate. Suddenly there's talk of fairness and trust! Of course the ANC GP is playing dirty, but the DA were happy to be part of the political games when it suited them (KZN, failed moonshot pact, etc). It's like to spouses who marry after both cheating on their previous spouses - then one complains when the new partner cheats on them. Can't be too surprised.
This is the first time I do not agree with you. The ANC is not entitled to anything in these 3 provinces. In WC the DA won outright. In KZN the ANC did not get even 20%. Only in Gauteng do they deserve seats and not that much more than the DA. I know the DA is our enemy as black people but facts are facts.
He only cares about facts only when it suits him. He knows it too. He is driving a certain agenda. He is a hyprocrite and speaks with both sides of his mouth. He flipflopes when it is necessary for him to do so in favour for his agenda that he is driving.
Don't let HZ instill this unmathematical fact into your head. In politics, 7% is a lot. MK lost KZN by coming short with 6%, DA won WC by 50+5%. Don't be fooled by this DA old woman.
Could you provide more information on corruption within the DA or suggest sources where I can research it? I often hear podcasts criticizing the EFF and MK while portraying the DA as perfect and corruption-proof.
