Creationist Signs at the Bill Nye / Ken Ham Debate

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The debate between Bill Nye (aka 'The Science Guy) and Creation Museum president Ken Ham has people (from fundamentalist Christians to Atheists and everything in between) buzzing today. What should we make of the signs creationists made for those who believe in evolution? www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messag... Does conservative Christian 700 Club host Pat Robertson believe believers should reject fossil records? Ana Kasparian and John Iadarola (host, TYT University and Common Room) break it down on The Young Turks.
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@waltervde 9 лет назад

Creationist VS Evolutionist debate. Evo: I have $5 in my pocket Crea: I don't believe you Evo: here look 5 $1 bills Crea: nah still don't believe you. I have $10 in my pocket though Evo: prove it Crea: no, you need to prove that i don't have it. Evo: well for one, you don't have pockets. Crea: that's just your opinion... ...

@solidaritytime3650 9 лет назад

Walter Vandeneynde that was BEAUTIFULLY put, sir.

@lawnfarmr399 9 лет назад

Walter Vandeneynde Best comment I've seen in a while

@dnjj1845 9 лет назад

+Walter Vandeneynde Crea: you have to search in your heart to find $10

@Tfreezy259 9 лет назад

+Walter Vandeneynde now thats a funny comment

@LiesMoneyOrJesus 8 лет назад

+Walter Vandeneynde , Walter, would you mind if I borrow this? So very well put.

@theinternet1424 8 лет назад

"Are you scared of a divine creator?" No I'm not, you are. Next!

@mitrimind1027 8 лет назад

Why would I be afraid of something that doesn't exist?

@theinternet1424 8 лет назад

Advisorofdark Gaming You wouldn't, people who believe it does exist are obviously afraid as they were programmed to be.

@theinternet1424 8 лет назад

Wriest Heart Which means that you're not afraid of the creator, but of the creators of the creator.

@caelan8252 7 лет назад

dov linhos Savage

@juliacortez5516 5 лет назад

X^D too true

@yordanyordanov3824 9 лет назад

I wonder if these creationists are so against evolution and science, why are they using computers , cars , electricity and etc ?

@yordanyordanov3824 9 лет назад

I want to see a creationist answer this question xD

@koojaa 9 лет назад

Please don't group all theists with these idiots you see in the video. To me, Science and Religion are linked, my religion actively encourages me to learn, discover, and research. I believe in almost all of science while at the same time believing in my religion because they do not disprove each other, the only parts I disagree with (keep in mind, disagreeing does not mean I'm stating they cannot be true, they could very well be true) are macro-evolution and there being no creator, although I do not consider the latter to be part of science. Just because I believe in a creator does not mean I do not believe in science, and any creationist who does not believe in science is being lied to or lying to himself. Believing in science does not equal not believing in a creator. I have the mental capacity to know that I could be wrong, there could very well be no creator, however I am more convinced in there being a creator and that's just what I believe.

@koojaa 9 лет назад

In addition if there is ever any concrete proven evidence disproving a fundamental component of my religion, I will stop believing in my religion, simple as that. I'm not stating this as a challenge, but trying to make the point that I am open-minded, and I am not simply a blind follower of my religion.

@johnmohr7750 9 лет назад

Science isn't dependent on your religion. Isaac Newton was a Christian, is he not a scientist?

@kevinfoliage9572 9 лет назад

John Mohr he's a victim of his time?

@georgemccartney3034 7 лет назад

I cringed at that "If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" I grew up in a very religious Christian household and I have memories of asking the teacher that exact question when we learned about evolution in like 5th grade. Back then I would always repeat what I was told from my grandparents about science and religion and I'm embarrassed about it today. It really screwed me up. I am now agnostic.

@rayconlogue9221 7 лет назад

I sympathize with the trauma you must have experienced in Grade 5. Unfortunately there's no way to reconcile the Bible with scientific research. But for me the Biblical story is just what we should expect from a nomadic people who had no telescopes and believed the 200 or so stars they could see in the sky were all the stars that existed, and that the creation of the world coincided with the earliest dates in their family tree. That makes perfect sense. . .for them, not us. It is shameful that Christian preachers still demand that their twaddle be believed literally, on pain of hell fire. The damage done is tremendous, and so many different ways.

@soconfused8031 7 лет назад

You're lucky you grew out of that. Most people will continue to believe what they were taught as kids. It's a shame that children are so vulnerable and without full mental faculties that they have to entrust their knowledge of the world to a handful of adults that, often, choose to fill their kids head full of crap.

@Chris-yp1fe 7 лет назад

Agnostic is not really a better position to be in, Agnosticism is the belief that the answer is unknowable. Surely you want to know though right. You want to learn, and understand? You should be asking the questions and pursuing answers to have a degree of understanding, and not be agnostic about it, and shrug your shoulders and just say 'i dont know' or worse.. 'i dont WANT to know'. I imagine if you sat and thought about it more, you'd realise your actually Atheist not Agnostic. I hope anyway.

@Ren_out_of_Ten 7 лет назад

Chris, being agnostic doesn't mean you can't be theist or atheist. Agnosticism is not knowing, (a)theism is (not) believing. I was an agnostic atheist for a long time before returning to my Christian faith (not a creationist btw)... hope that helps

@Chris-yp1fe 7 лет назад

Correct. But if you 'don't know' you need to ask do i believe and the only answer to that based on what was said is atheism. Agnostism is not a valid position by itself. You either believe or you don't

@UltrasabersVideos 10 лет назад

If Americans came from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?

@entropy444 10 лет назад

*insert witty reply here*

@MTD_1969 10 лет назад

If stupidity came from humans, why are there still humans??

@dollarama5142 7 лет назад

Ultra Sabers native americans next

@DaveLH 6 лет назад

@Michael Dube: That one's a toughie.

@ADEehrh 6 лет назад

Came from; not replaced!

@jetli80 8 лет назад

Evolution is just a theory that you can prove, can that lady please disprove theory of gravity by walking off a roof and see if she floats?

@pheonixfyre1634 8 лет назад

savage

@daltondeverell4039 8 лет назад

we can only hope that they float away.

@Wolfsbane1100 8 лет назад

It's not the theory of gravity, though, it's the Law of Gravity. If you're going to make a point, please be informed.

@daltondeverell4039 8 лет назад

The Cosmonaut It can be referred to as theory. Evolution has enough evidence for it to surpass the title of theory.

@izanagiizanami1304 8 лет назад

+Dalton Deverell but the law of gravity doesn't . don't get me wrong I believe in evolution but you cannot observe the process directly as it happens over the course of thousands if not millions of years. you can observe the law of gravity as I type this, as you read this

@evancabralsilva93 8 лет назад

It's not a debate when the same side wins every time.

@spencerboock8554 7 лет назад

+JustTo Watch exactly. Not a debate

@soconfused8031 7 лет назад

It's not a debate, since you don't really debate facts

@semabacho 7 лет назад

Evan Cabral Silva if we debate wether the earth is flat or spherical the same side will win every time. it doesnt mean it is not a debate, all it means is it should not be one.

@a-aronpre-sent1447 7 лет назад

Throw Away "If religious people debated reasonably, then we would not have any religious people"-Dr. House M.D.

@Tripserpentine 6 лет назад

Well depending on the subject, Creationism(/religion and myths) are inpossible to proof so yes, that side always loses. Why do you think Christians used to burn pagans and called them devil worshippers? It's a lack of arguments thus they turn to violence.

@Mafiaaffe 10 лет назад

You know you've lost your mind when even Pat Roberston sounds more rational than you.

@RuleofFive 10 лет назад

Love it! LMAO

@TheDethBringer666 10 лет назад

Bill Nye: "Look at this evidence... and this evidence... and this evidence." Ken Ham: "The Bible, fuck yeah." **facepalm**

@Falcon4224 8 лет назад

Did anybody else catch what Pat Robertson said? "There was a bishop from the Middle Ages, like 1800 or something, that said..." Uh, what? In what version of history has the 1800s ever been called the Middle Ages?

@manyworldsin1 8 лет назад

uggghh, Teddy Roosevelt was at king arthur's court, right? that drove me nuts! Basic historical illiteracy at its finest. I wish they would have pointed it out.

@mitrimind1027 8 лет назад

Maybe he ment that he was middle-aged back in the 1800s.

@spindalis79 6 лет назад

Pat Robertson calls 1800 the height of his teenage years.

@theragingmelon1873 8 лет назад

"If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" Is basically saying, "If you came from your parents, then why do you still have brothers and sisters?"

@pavlobro1764 8 лет назад

+gijs jonkheer darwins book "origin of species" says we did

@ryanunitan3148 8 лет назад

+pavlobro17 That explanation is just so everyone would understand what he was talking about, technically we share a common biological ancestor with apes, but we didn't directly evolve from them.

@j11994466s 10 лет назад

"Are you scared of a divine creator?" No, I DISGUSTED by it.

@CovenantMan 10 лет назад

Time will come when you'll wish you had the opportunity to take that sentiment back.

@garfieldmircea2006 10 лет назад

gerard t I wish god was real so I could kick him in the balls when in heaven.

@Ebolahill88 10 лет назад

Sun rises, sub sets. YOU, Bill Nye, cant explain that. Love Bilbo Reilly

@LTrotsky21stCentury 10 лет назад

There isn't any 'debate' between creationism and science. Debate requires reason.

@Joshverd 8 лет назад

Your a judge in a court. dude 1 has ALL THE PROOF that dude 2 robbed him (video, audio, etc) and dude 2 had NO PROOF that he did not rob dude 1. Who would you choose? Now replace dude 1 with science and dude 2 with christianity. Now whats your answer?

@hajtom6280 8 лет назад

+Joshverd excellent logical example! CHEERS TO YOU!

@rinesnow5627 8 лет назад

This is too perfect

@dnjj1845 8 лет назад

+Joshverd science can't disprove religion, but it can show it's not justified. Most religious people don't use logic though, they are emotionally driven.

@TheDarkwing76 8 лет назад

+Joshverd That totally depends on which dude has the more righteous beard!

@hajtom6280 8 лет назад

WAHAHAHA!

@Decryptated 10 лет назад

Damn, those signs were depressing.

@largelysubatomic 10 лет назад

DAMN even Pat Robertson agrees young earth creationism is a joke. How does it feel to be crazier than Pat Robertson?

@rawrroar3530 10 лет назад

"Arguing with a Christian is like playing chess with a pigeon You could be the greatest player in the world, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, sh!t on the board and strut around triumphantly."

@33MillParkour 10 лет назад

I don't think you paid attention to what Nye was really trying to do. At about two or three times in the debate he addressed to the children and also to the younger people in the audience, HE KNEW that the adults are a lost cause but he mentioned how there are certain science degrees that they couldn't get in Kentucky, he talked about being a real critical thinker, he said how WE NEED scientifically literate voters and tax payers and we needed engineers and scientist. He wasn't there to change people's minds, he was there to show the people that still had hope that there is a world of science and beauty that creation can't satisfy. I think this debate was CRUSTAL for some of the younger creationist kids that are still able to realize "hey there really is true evidence out there"

@genghs 10 лет назад

Yes. I have nothing but respect for the guy. i am not even american.

@jabadabadingdong2359 8 лет назад

are they the same people who believe the earth is flat?

@evancabralsilva93 8 лет назад

Same nut jobs

@evancabralsilva93 8 лет назад

cozi cosimini sadly half of America believes them.

@jabadabadingdong2359 8 лет назад

SolarPenguin very sad indeed, hopefully people will start realizing these people have no science or logic behind their claims.

@evancabralsilva93 8 лет назад

cozi cosimini their minds don't work like that.

@jabadabadingdong2359 8 лет назад

SolarPenguin I can tell, they are arrogant. They won't listen to reason or logic. At least there's people out there who don't believe that, but sadly, i feel like we are the minority.

@moyga 10 лет назад

Ken Ham doesn't even understand what "survival of the fittest" means, even after Bill Nye had JUST explained it to him. You give him too much credit sometimes, the man is an utter fool.

@drewlindsey7636 10 лет назад

BadBob Denver Please don't stoop to such a low level as to insult people's English, that is a rude thing to do.

@moyga 10 лет назад

BadBob Denver Utter means complete or absolute, so 'utter fool' means 'complete fool'. It's not a 'ding dong phrase', (whatever that means) nor is it exclusively said by English people. I'm not even American. Sorry if the language I use doesn't suit your personal taste? Should I have used an insult more commonly employed by Americans? Bizarre. I love how you assume the only way I could have heard it is by watching TV. Some people actually read books and live outside of America.

@zebbedi 10 лет назад

moyga I'm actually English. 'Utter fool' makes perfect sense and is a term we use here often.

@TMMx 10 лет назад

I would like to see a channel that's nothing but Ana doing her Pat Robertson impersonation.

@Marqhll 10 лет назад

agreed...

@erickonphoenix 10 лет назад

X∞^

@gary20o 10 лет назад

YES!! lol

@LordKamina2 10 лет назад

to be fair, it would be awesome to see a caveman ride a t-rex

@genghs 10 лет назад

i think so too brother. thoug if it was a nazi sturm trooperen and the T-rex had a swastika arm band and lasers and fought in the steeps against the red bomb carrying pterodatyl that would be at least 20% cooler.

@stutterysteamerproductions875 2 года назад

Watch "Primal", lol. You'll get your fix.

@ianyboo 10 лет назад

As a former creationists I can say that its this type of event that helped me change my mind, I know it's frustrating to talk to us but I promise there is value in it. We can change it just takes time

@ausgebombt 10 лет назад

Change always does - It takes true courage to rattle your own mindset and be receptive of a new perspective, and also big gonads to admit defeat and be humble enough to adopt a new train of thought. Of course I would encourage you to not take evolution as a given. Never take facts as facts, always doubt, always be curious, always try to find out why... you will never be disappointed :)

@KXSocialChannel 2 года назад

“We can change, it just takes time.” - said an evolutionist!!!

@phillipsfishing4192 2 года назад

Please explain how mutated new species miraculously have mutated new species of the opposite sex during their lifetime. Then they miraculously mate? And how this happens thousands of time to create the diversity? Atheism is actually statistically impossible. Sad that you lost faith in something logical to hold onto faith in the illogical.

@ianyboo 2 года назад

@@phillipsfishing4192 You are responding to an 8-year-old comment lol, I don't talk religion or politics anymore. I hope you have an absolutely wonderful weekend good sir or ma'am! :)

@KXSocialChannel 2 года назад

@@phillipsfishing4192 I'll respond for you, Willis. It was God. God did it. You know... so that we can worship him. There's your answer. God. Any other questions? If so, God did it too. You're asking questions which you could answer by learning about evolution, but instead of doing any learning, you're proposing to challenge someone's view with the premise that you're right in the first place. It doesn't matter what anyone says to you if you're blind to any truth that anyone wastes their time to try to teach you.

@mymom1234 10 лет назад

It's unbelievable that those people are perfectly fine using their mobile phones or any other device that only work according to the rules we found in nature but reject those rules if we apply them to radiometric dating. You can't selectivly rule out results of scientific discoveries just because the results of some of them disprove your worldview while being perfectly fine with the results that make your life easier. The same rules that predict that your mobile phone will work predicts the age of other stuff.

@SoSimonSays 10 лет назад

you know what they are like they cherry pick everything to suit them

@HJW018 10 лет назад

Evolution is a THEORY Creationism is an ASSUMPTION The difference in the two is you CAN test a Theory, You CAN"T test an assumption.

@BlackLotus30 10 лет назад

I would go as far as saying that creationism is a fantasy :P

@AlienPet13 10 лет назад

Assumptions are usually informed by some kind of indication or experience, so Creationism doesn't even rise to the level of assumption. It's nothing more than a completely unfounded ASSERTION... devoid of logic, reason, evidence or forethought of any kind. The faith-blind are incapable of assumption... that requires thought and examination.

@ellysium4629 8 лет назад

One of the biggest problems I had with Ken Ham, was he used the same cop-out answer to something like three or four questions, and that answer was "Well... there's this book. It's called the Bible and if you read it, you'll find your answer to blah blah..." He was so condescending in the way he said this, and he said it multiple times in place of an actual, well thought out argument. Bill Nye would legitimately answer the question, and Ken Ham would just squawk out this bull shit read the bible nonsense. It really showed how ignorant he was, and how unworthy he is of having a debate with someone like Bill Nye.

@Honestman400 9 лет назад

Look at the eyes of the people holding the signs. It reminds me of the saying. All the lights are on, but there's no-one at home.

@fantasy0coach 10 лет назад

You can't debate mental patients. Debating creationism is like debating invisible pink unicorns orbiting the moon.

@TechnocraticBushman 10 лет назад

I've head the analogy about playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how clever your moves are, it will pecker at the board and mess up everything.

@Fahrenheit4051 10 лет назад

Christian: How can the universe exist without God? Everything needs a creator! Atheist: By that logic, God also needed a creator. Christian: He always existed.

@AholeAtheist 10 лет назад

Atheist: Even though you've already defeated your own hypothesis that everything needs a creator.. If he always existed, why did he take so long to getting around to "creating us in his own image"? Christian: He didn't. Read Genesis. Atheist: But even if he only took six days to get around to creating humans, your assertion that he always existed implies he's existed for an eternity before that.. Seems like he wasted a whole bunch of time doing nothing. Now, could you please finish telling me how, as a Republican, you can't stand people who are unproductive, because that makes them "lazy"?

@SkepticalChris 10 лет назад

Irony: The man who proposed the Big Bang Theory, was actually a Catholic Priest named Georges Lemaître, a Catholic Priest from Belgium. He was also an astrophysicist and an astronomer.

@Oobe 10 лет назад

irony? He wasn't just a priest you idiot. He was a physicist , a scientist, mathmatician, astronomer...ect... him being a priest has nothing to do with him proposing the big bang theory, people like you are idiots

@loua8268 10 лет назад

Oobe oh god lord! he was a physicist and a priest!! that seems as heretic as being stupid and smart at the same time!!! God save us from using our brainS and let us keep ourselves stupid only!!!

@90fulAwesome 10 лет назад

Oobe shut the fuck up. you made me realize how fucked up atheism are!!!! never

@90fulAwesome 10 лет назад

90fulAwesome um nevermind I just saw your comment on turks. Im sorry for insulting you my friend

@wrathofme03 10 лет назад

even religious people are not exempt from the power of reason and logic when properly educated.

@johnfaber100 9 лет назад

"The whole debate was unfair; Ken Ham gets to use his imagination while Bill Nye had to use facts." --some random 8-year old girl

@TheDethBringer666 10 лет назад

Anyone *should* be afraid of such a divine dictator. This is an entity that would condemn you or any other individual for thought crime and would have you tortured for all eternity on account of any number of a series of benign offences to the dictator. And even if you are among his chosen flock, you would be there in his gilded palace until the end of time, servient to him. He never dies, never sleeps, and is always watching. If you truly want to believe that be my guest, but there is no way around it, you more than anything desire to be a slave and I will have no part of it.

@alexbc7493 10 лет назад

Basically god is like an NSA wet dream

@alexanderwolf1984 10 лет назад

"God is a pervert!"

@tetsubo57 10 лет назад

The best definition of what a scientific theory is was from Isaac Asimov. He called it a map. Even a crudely drawn map is better than no map. And we can improve the map over time. Adding ever greater details until it shows us exactly what we need to know and in what direction we need to go. I've often said that Asimov's non-fiction writing was far better than his fiction.

@bitphr3ak 10 лет назад

...the Creationists call the bible a map. The problem is convincing them that their map doesn't actually detail reality.

@Morjensful 10 лет назад

Bit Phreak it's more akin to a makebelieve pirate treasure map. Here be dragons.. etc...

@Morjensful 10 лет назад

There are other historical accounts that are a lot more reliable. The only value of those texts is cultural, and that is questionable. If you would have studied religion you would know that.

@Morjensful 10 лет назад

If you accept anything on that basis you are accepting something by logical fallacy. Facts are not derived through popularity contests nor is credibility decided through popularity. You are confused as to what evidence is and should read up on the scientific method as to how evidence is gathered and what it actually is. Personal accounts are always regarded as the worst kind of evidence, and geological and archaelogical findings are usually required to confirm these. Even then for example book-keeping, taxation accounts and notaries provide a much more reliable source than religious texts because they require a degree of objectivity to benefit anyone. Religious texts however do give an image and a ground to speculate upon the cultural values of said society. But as mentioned earlier, there is a plethora of more reliable accounts. Sry for my english, third language.

@Morjensful 10 лет назад

I understand your position pretty well, as I used to think as you do. That is a position of trying to make realities bend to a text instead of the other way around. As all fictional texts there are historical references in the Bible, but to call them historical fact is a bit of a stretch. For example the accounts of most references to the roman or eqyptian empire have been either proven unsubstantiated by archaelogical evidence or other accounts (the ones I previously mentioned). You are right as to the fact that history is written by the victor, but that is completely beside the point. We do have accounts and evidence of the "other" side in most cases. As for many cultures sharing the same stories, intertextualism or cultural references can not be said to be evidence of the factual validity of the bible. That would be akin to call Puff Daddy a teller of truths because he has sampled Diana Ross and Sting. Again, you are confused about what facts are. It also might be a hard point to get across since it does not survive scrutiny? I appreciate your answers.

@ToxicRemax 8 лет назад

As a none US citizen it seems like the US is so stuck up with their religion and they can't let go.

@duophile7692 8 лет назад

Luckily, not all of them. I recently realized religion was total bullshit, and about 1/3 of the US population under 34 years of age are religiously non-affiliated. It keeps growing, too :D

@dimitristopis3286 8 лет назад

+Sadistic Marshmallow dude if you keep walking on that path you will eventually become the Afghanistan of the west

@duophile7692 8 лет назад

nek Big So you're saying widespread atheism is inherently bad?

@dimitristopis3286 8 лет назад

No the exact opposite. What I meant is that despite what you say there is a gradual but constant growing of Christian fundamentalism in USA leading this country back to theocracy and the dark ages. The Dover incident is an example. Anyways I hope your numbers are right because if they 're not there's no future

@dimitristopis3286 8 лет назад

Sadistic Marshmallow I responded to the people in this video

@hippocritic 10 лет назад

You know you've really made a mistake as a Christian when even Pat Robertson is distancing himself from you.

@Nckolas20 10 лет назад

The ignorance is strong with these folks. Science has better explanations for the natural world than a religious doctrine

@chadedwards7689 10 лет назад

The woman that had the sign saying "how do you explain a sunset if there is no God", reminded me of the infamous Bill O'Reilly quote "tides come in, tides go out, you can't explain that". Uh, yeah, we CAN explain tides, AND sunsets.

@mhnicholson 10 лет назад

Evolution is taught as a fact because the fossil record shows evolution clearly happened. Theories come in when we try to explain the why or how of Evolution. The Theory of Natural Selection that was proposed by Darwin to explain how Evolution occurred, just as the Theory of Gravity was proposes some math for how strongly matter attracts other matter.

@johnstansky7178 10 лет назад

Ken ham was standing in the wrong line when evolution was handing out the ability for intelligent thought and critical thinking. Ken could spontaneously grow a tail from his ass and still not believe in evolution.

@joshgodawful 10 лет назад

Spontaneously growing a tail wouldn't validate the theory of evolution at all. Sounds more like magic/religion.

@timwebb1000 10 лет назад

John must therefore give us an example of any of God's creatures spontaneously growing an appendage which they are not designed to bear. This does not happen, John, ergo, evolution is a demonstrable and scientifically- demonstrated lie, even on the basis of the very few words you yourself present to us.

@DoritoPope003 10 лет назад

hes the one debating bill nye on a public stage. he's obviously smarter than you are.

@123abcbruce 10 лет назад

joshgodawful Actually, spontaneously growing a tail probably refers to having a dormant trait re-activated. It also shows that somewhere in our lineage we use to have a tail and are more closely related to monkeys than we think.

@johnstansky7178 10 лет назад

123abcbruce The religious folks get very uncomfortable with any science that contradicts their core belief system . When the facts don't fit the dogma the facts get changed to fit the story like adding dinosaurs to Noah's Ark. I think they should address the logistical problems with the Ark before they add 100 million year old dino's to the mix. The ironic thing about Ken Ham is that he looks like a Cro magnon man.....crazy world.

@AdmiralBlackstar 10 лет назад

This is a game that Creationists can't win. After a debate with one, 99/100 times their supporters will stay the same and praise the creationist debater for his faith. Only once in a great while will a rational person see the light.

@drewlindsey7636 10 лет назад

BadBob Denver What truth would that be?

@Asrahn 10 лет назад

Honestly though, if debates like this makes only one out out of a thousand fundamentalists think and start to question shit, I consider it worth it.

@MrBGeonzon 10 лет назад

BadBob Denver Not scared more of sadden.. He feels like you guys are hurting yourself and is honestly trying to help you guys. Would be nice if you guys understood how the physical world works but whatever its your life. It's your kids that are gonna fail science biology test.

@AdmiralBlackstar 10 лет назад

BadBob Denver I don't blame him, because the truth is that creationists limit themselves, and that's sad and pathetic.

@DNAsGhostzHouze 10 лет назад

I NEVER thought I would agree with Pat Robertson on something... MIND BLOWN!!!

@Klishar122 10 лет назад

Hard to believe, right?

@LongTimeAtheist 10 лет назад

FYI even the last pope suggested that the creation story should be rethought. The catholic leadership is starting to come around to evolution being the best explanation of human life. They still hold that god created life but we evolved from other species. They eventually come around to reality. I mean they believed that the earth was the center of the universe. Thunder was the voice of god. You still have some who believe in Thor. I kind of wish he was real. He would take on Ken Ham in the way that Ken Ham needs to be taken on. With a hammer!

@RuleofFive 10 лет назад

Its a good thing for Bill Nye to debate someone like Ken Hamm. It shows the complacent educated part of America that they should not take anything for granted in elections. There are 91 million Americans that identify as evangelical christians. That's over 25% of the US population. We have to work with these people and educate them or at least their children to move away from these silly superstitions and truly embrace science. I don't see we have a choice because if we don't they'll continue to hold our country back.

@RayTech70 10 лет назад

It's not 100% a good idea: being hosted on RU-vid gets creationists exposed to some of the harshest criticism on the planet. I'm not talking about realistic criticism: the type that drives theists further away from atheists because they can't envision a life being like them: so hateful, so arrogant. It happens the other way as well, so it's universal hatred it seems.

@RuleofFive 10 лет назад

Raymond Ross Yes its always a good idea to expose creationists to science. Its good for them to hear the truth about the reality of our planet and not fairytales. You say they may get exposed to harsh criticism? I say so what? I've criticized people on You Tube, called them names (I'm not proud of that behavior) and I've been called plenty of names too. I'm still standing and by exposing myself to ideas that differ from my own I actually learn something once in a while. I don't think all atheists are "so hateful, so arrogant". Bill Nye was nothing but nice to Ken Hamm.

@superpest923 10 лет назад

Raymond Ross "RU-vid gets creationist exposed to the harshest criticism on the planet" . Maybe a petite little flower, such as yourself, shouldn't come on atheist videos evangelizing. 'That way you don't get pounded spewing your fairytales. You just might be better off going on christian/muslim sites where you can pray and sing songs to that fuzzy cuddly santa in the sky you believe in. Spend more time baking cakes and cookies for the church social. There's just a couple ideas. A Princess like you doesn't have to expose themself to the brutality of the "some of the harshest criticism on the planet" anymore. On a youtube site no less!!!. You people are laughable. Our god is an awesome god Tra la

@TheElvenKeys 9 лет назад

Apparently science is a theory, and a theory is something that is not testable.

@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin 9 лет назад

Brady Science is not a theory stupid..

@TheElvenKeys 9 лет назад

*apparently

@TheElvenKeys 9 лет назад

*****APPARENTLY

@sagerider2 9 лет назад

Brady Since gravity is only a THEORY jump off the Empire State Building and prove it.

@TheElvenKeys 9 лет назад

i'm saying apparently because i don't agree and I was referring to something someone else said.

@klausweasley 10 лет назад

I'm actually not against Creationism being taught in schools. It SHOULD definitely be taught. But in Philosophy, Religious Studies and Literature classes WHERE IT BELONGS (That's THREE classes where it can be taught and talked about extensively!). Just keep it the fuck away from SCIENCE classes.

@WWZenaDo 10 лет назад

Hear hear!!

@HerveBoisde 10 лет назад

To me this underscores the real danger of religious dogma. Its one thing to be spiritual, I'm all for that. But organized religion isn't about freedom of thought, its about brainwashing.

@antred11 10 лет назад

I'd wager that those hardcore Christians are among the least spiritual people on the planet.

@Klishar122 10 лет назад

That's what religion basically is: brainwashing. It's okay to believe in a higher power if that's your thing, but organized religion is more about brainwashing than belief, which in turn leads to insanity.

@MatthewOstergren 10 лет назад

I was one of those creationists when I was younger. I asked those same awful questions because I had never been exposed to legit answers. It was debates like this one that led to me changing my mind.

@daltonmalin4352 8 лет назад

creationisim is an excuse for ignorance

@AdrianSanchez-jm8yo 8 лет назад

I completely agree.

@LabTech41 10 лет назад

Both debaters needed each other for their causes, and I think the awareness brought to this issue by the two was useful overall. Ham needed a legitimate scientist to puff himself up so he can put more asses through the doors of his creation museum so he can stave off bankruptcy for a few more months, and it's hard to get more legit than Nye. Nye needed a prominent Creationist on display to punch themselves out on logical fallacies and no tangible proof to show how hollow the argument is, and since Kent Hovind is still in Federal Prison on Fraud and Tax Evasion charges, the only other one up there was Ham. Make no mistake, just like Pat Roberts, they don't really believe what they're talking about, at least not nearly to the extent they purport themselves to. What they really are is sleazy car salesmen trying to sell you an invisible car. I'd say, on the whole, the number of people who are going to rethink their world view in favor of science is going to be greater than the number of people who'd be willing to shell out over 30$ in Kentucky to see a depiction of a caveman living beside a vegetarian T-Rex statue.

@PotentialThall 10 лет назад

Ken never actually answered any opposing questions. He dismissed all hypothetical questions without so much as a yes or no. Creationists can stretch their belief through any theory because it doesn't have a set limit, just "eh......god did it that's why"

@thebeyblademaniac 10 лет назад

I love how this guy is knowledgeable enough to know the difference between a Scientific Theory and the English Theory. Way to go Turks.

@shulk2026 10 лет назад

bill nye didn't really go as strong as he could have he kept his part of the debate sort of going off hand, but even with that he still disputed many of ham's arguments

@sabrinalord6355 10 лет назад

I think he was just trying to be as respectful as possible, without coming across as rude. Bill Nye is such a nice guy ....also he was surrounded by religious people o.O" I'm sure he has taken that into account. What I find weird is why does science has to go against religion? Why can't science and reality be proof of a greater existence? Then again I believe in shades of gray, like everyone is look at the same thing (life) and explaining it to the best of their ability

@JonasTheLundh 10 лет назад

River Lilly Science wasn't created to go against religion, and neither are they really the two polar opposites that people seem to think. Your question _"Why can't science and reality be proof of a greater existence?"_ has a pretty simple answer. A proof of something is just that because it *is* just that. Proof of a particular thing. The nice smell and bright colours of a flower are a proof that it evolved to be attractive to a specific (or several) kind(s) of insect(s). Not that God is good, God is great. A proof of something isn't a proof because you _want_ it to be, it's proof because it _is_. Scientists have on many occasions been forced to revise their theories because of new proof that contradicts their old ones and can be better explained and ideally tested and confirmed. That's the core principle of how science grows, becomes better and evolves. An idea or a theory can do just that, change, evolve and gradually become a better version of itself. Religion doesn't do that, and that's what I find so fundamentally wrong with it. There is no tangible proof that science can provide *against* a "greater existence" (I assume that by that you meant something akin to God, the teapot orbiting Mars or maybe even Nyan Cat), but on the other hand there is no tangible, testable evidence *for* something like that either. And unti something like that comes along, I'll stick my guns with the multitude of things that science _can_ prove and what I can see, hear, feel, smell and taste for myself.

@sabrinalord6355 10 лет назад

I know this...you can't test the existence of god, gods or any higher existence. There were so many great minds in science and astronomy that due to their limitations of knowledge gave into the idea of God. The God idea being their limit of their knowledge...And you're right, it can't be tested. neil degrasse tyson gives a good explanation of that. There's always going to being something we don't know now

@JonasTheLundh 10 лет назад

River Lilly And that's the beauty of it. Because if there would come a point in time when we knew everything... What would we do then?

@sabrinalord6355 10 лет назад

it's not possible to know everything...everything that we are exploring and answering just leads to more questions. No one man can comprehend the whole of the universe has to offer in one life time.

@staryberrygin 10 лет назад

I don't want to diminish the accomplishments of Bill Nye, and I applaud his performance, but just the fact that we even HAVE this debate in the US in 2014 is an embarrassment. Evolution is a fact. Our world is billions of years old. You can either accept this and reconcile your religious beliefs to fit with that knowledge, or you can lie to yourself.

@gailforce 10 лет назад

even the POPE has conceded to the theory of evolution. it's about time muricans did also.

@RoGoH308 10 лет назад

You have to understand we have a lot of crazy people in America as I'm sure you already know so that won't be easy.

@gailforce 10 лет назад

RoGoH308 sure i understand that, which is why i said muricans instead of americans. :)

@RoGoH308 10 лет назад

gratex That's what I call them :)

@ykjr316 10 лет назад

but the pope is catholic. most of the crazy religious we have in this country, except maybe Santorum, some of the Fox News crew, and Bill Donohue, are not Catholics and still see Catholicism in a negative light. Why do you think it was a huge deal when Kennedy was running for president?

@DaMujihu 10 лет назад

agreed, but Ken Ham is Australian

@Marius-vw9hp 8 лет назад

The "evolution is just a theory and not fact" reasoning is getting a bit old... Isnt quite as entertaining anymore. I wish creationists could be a bit more creative.

@gijsjonkheer9863 8 лет назад

Why, it is still a valid argument. the fact that it gets misused a lot, does not make the argument less valid.

@Marius-vw9hp 8 лет назад

Yes but it has lost its entertainment value.

@Marius-vw9hp 8 лет назад

Well, looks like the evolutionists are equally un-entertaining.

@camerongrimes6696 8 лет назад

But evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory

@Marius-vw9hp 8 лет назад

touché.

@kevinfoliage9572 9 лет назад

if we came from dirt, why do we still have dirt?

@debateeverything5854 10 лет назад

Bill Nye's argument against Noah's Arc is the most damming point of the whole debate.

@debateeverything5854 10 лет назад

lol

@Guernicaman 10 лет назад

Whenever John says Ken Ham, I keep hearing "Canned Ham".

@MrSoxVictory 10 лет назад

oh damn now that's the only thing i hear! :(

@bruceleeroy8302 10 лет назад

Don't insult canned ham like that! At least canned ham is delicious.

@dead_p1xl964 9 лет назад

My favorite part of this debate was when Ken Ham slipped in that a person couldn't live a normal life without their appendix. Brilliant biologist right there.

@landenmorton4543 10 лет назад

Pat Robinson being reasonable? Isn't that like, the seventh sign of the apocalypse or something?

@itskelvinkkc 10 лет назад

Nah, it's just time to up our meds...

@eatmorenachos 10 лет назад

When Pat Robertson gives you a science reality check, that's a pretty good indication you've gone over the edge of your flat earth.

@Nanocyte 10 лет назад

I have to admit to being kind of impressed by Pat Robertson admitting that Young Earth Creationism is ridiculous. It was like watching a dog finally figure out how to open a door.

@mj-np9sy 7 лет назад

Kentucky during this debate was such an embarrassment. I mean, it's not like we expect much out of that State, but for fucks sake. Total waste of Nyes time. Obvious reason that Ham had his debate there so he'd be supported by the Bogans of America.

@Bigmussie1 9 лет назад

There was a time when everyone believed and religion ruled everything, this was called the dark ages. When intelligent people put religion aside and started to understand the universe we live in, this was the enlightenment

@blackkakari 10 лет назад

I never watched the debate. Because it always ends the same. Like playing chess with a pigeon, you can be the best chess player in the world; doesn't matter. The pigeon will just knock over the pieces and shit all over the board. Yes, I know this quote isn't original. But it's apt.

@DeagleBeagle 10 лет назад

I respect Ana's opinion, but I highly disagree. She obviously never grew up in a Christian household and later became Atheist like me. The reason why I changed a lot of what I believed is because I watched TheAmazingAtheist, Bill Nye, others who pointed out things I never thought about before. I don't think an open discussion of ANYTHING makes people stupider. An open discussion makes people more intelligent and are able to improve their beliefs. This discussion was very important, because the majority of America calls themselves Christians. Debating a fairy tale is better than not debating it. Sure you legitimize it, but you de-legitimize it more than you legitimize it by tearing their arguments and beliefs apart.

@Xelian86 10 лет назад

Ana is Armenian which up to 97% claim to be Orthodox Christian. It is highly likely that she grew up in a Christian household. I also think I remember her mentioning this on a video or two, but don't quote me. Her point wasn't necessarily that the debate was completely useless. More that Ken Ham and his ilk are so ignorantly stubborn that there is no point debating him/them. They believe so hard in their bible that they will ignore facts presented to them. These kind of people are impossible to debate and therefore the debate was a waste of time. I understand why Bill Nye did it though, as you very well know, even if he just reached one person with reason then it's worth it. This is where you are coming from and Ana isn't saying this is useless, just the debate with Ken Ham (which isn't a debate at all) and the die hard ignorants that follow him around.

@Tasha3369ify 10 лет назад

This debate was completely for publicity. As a Christian I am fuming at the way this debate went down. First of all Ken Ham, being an acclaimed Christian, should never have participated in the first place. But all of that aside his debate was poorly written, poorly executed, and is just one more way for people to point and laugh at Christians. Did he not think through the way it was affect people? Like seriously, I know of so many people that would have done a better debate than him. You can't just get up there in front of a group of people and say "The bible must be real because the bible says so"... Idiot, he's a flat out idiot.

@paulmichael6369 10 лет назад

Thank You.. I am an atheist....however, I have MANY friends of faith...and IF we DO talk religion...the conversation usually involves my thoughts on death...(My favorite hobby is sleeping..so yeah.. eternal sleep..cant wait).. And often they mention how prayer calms them in stressful periods. And l DIG that they find some comfort in prayer.. they are GOOD PEOPLE..they deserve all the peace they can get. . The conversations are NEVER judgemental. However.. there are those that try to push their beliefs..(both atheists and religious)..And when confronted by christians (I don't push for such faith based argument. Equal rights for all)..the people I am confronted by usually use Hamm's circular reasoning... It's frustrating.. because I tend to have the SAME conversation OVER and OVER... never learning a thing..(why converse). For example, l work with a Christian that ALWAYS wants to debate me.. and I have asked him (several times) to not talk religion... because his arguments are circular. It's a waste of my time. And just like you..I want to call people that use such arguments... idiots... Now..I don't want to debate YOU...I respect your views...However.. I wish intelligent christians (you seem to be one of them) would smack the Shiznit out of christians like Hamm... they are not only making Christians look bad,,but they are making passive atheists, LIKE me, view the BULK of christians as intellectually inferior.

@paulmichael6369 10 лет назад

Paul michael By the way..I have argued with pushy atheists.. because I feel they represent my views poorly..Their opinions l may agree with..but their approach sucks donkeys.

@rishijusia3050 10 лет назад

Paul michael I definitely support your point. I do get annoyed by the major of christians baggering some Atheists by telling them how their going to hell and are going to burn and some even said that their god hate me. But, this is not only christians because there are also a whole lot of very pushy and annoying stupid kind of atheists. They don't use facts these people use things like "God sucks" And people like these represent the major of us (atheists) very wrongly. I have a very christian classmate whom is telling me how i will go to hell and burn. But, all i do is just(if i'm annoyed)give her facts or just say that i really don't give a fuck that's your believe then believe that it does not matter how ignorant or correct it is. And i do completely support your point on how intellectually inferior.

@blue1spiral 10 лет назад

I'm an atheist and I also thought it was strange that Ken Ham seemed to make so little effort to even come up with rebuttals. My father is deeply religious and did not attend any college and yet he could have made better arguments to Bill Nye than Ham did. Hell, I could have argued from a Christian's point of view better than Ham and I don't even believe it anymore lol

@rishijusia3050 10 лет назад

Kaela Bronan I know right, it was like he was trying to get ridiculed he was just saying things like "god is great and god is good so he made the universe" He did not try to back the bible up he just said that if it was in the bible it must be true. I laughed about his ignorance not that other christians are like that. I met multiple very respectful and in change believing christians.

@watchforgamers 10 лет назад

Pastafarianism is by FAR my favorite religion, and I'm not even a believer of it. It's not door-to-door and I never hear anyone saying "Do you have a moment to listen to the word of our noodly creator?"

@davidhill2020 10 лет назад

Ramen

@Ramix09 9 лет назад

Hello brothers!

@davidhill2020 9 лет назад

I'm sure Dudeists will disagree.

@Earthium 9 лет назад

I'd be afraid they'd whip out their dick on my doorstep personally. You like my noodle?

@dangerouslytalented 10 лет назад

Pat Robertson. The televangelists voice of reason... now I feel icky.

@twistedfocus100 10 лет назад

when you say Evolution is just a theory... you lose the argument at that point. It shows you know nothing of science.

@excuseme5964 10 лет назад

A theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning that describes how certain facts relate to each other, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle that explains natural phenomena and is capable of predicting additional phenomena that derive from those facts. Evolution is not a scientific law, because it is not a concise verbal or mathematical statement of a relation that expresses a narrow fundamental principle of science. A lot of uneducated people have a distorted idea of what a theory is, and how its definition manifests in regards to evolution. In other words evolution is a theory, a very well tested one with overwhelming evidence, but a theory nonetheless.

@twistedfocus100 10 лет назад

Harry Appleyard LOL it's not that simple... I think that it is important to realize that, in spite of the differences, these terms share some things in common. Both are based on tested hypotheses; both are supported by a large body of empirical data; both help unify a particular field; both are widely accepted by the vast majority (if not all) scientists within a discipline. Furthermore, both scientific laws and scientific theories could be shown to be wrong at some time if there are data to suggest so.

@excuseme5964 10 лет назад

twistedfocus100 And regardless of that, evolution is still a theory.

@twistedfocus100 10 лет назад

and always will be cause that's as good as things get in science... you missed the point.

@excuseme5964 10 лет назад

twistedfocus100 No, I totally understand where you're coming from. But I'm just saying that it's just a theory.

@durpface1087 8 лет назад

Just never argue with Christians. It's like that saying about playing chess with a pigeon, it's just going to shit all over the board and act like it won anyway.

@ceridwen04 8 лет назад

+Social Phobia I think this is not a problem of being Christians, even the Pope believe in evolutionism. I live in Italy, christ is thrown in everywhere but I've never actually heard anybody doubt evolution. So I think it's more of a education issue.

@ceridwen04 8 лет назад

***** I can't figure out if you are joking or if you really want to know :) BTW I really don't eat much pizza, I like it but I don't eat that more often than once a month, probabily less. Pasta, now THAT is something without wich a meal it's just a snack to me. I can't eat it as often as I would like to, but normally is everyday. Best food? how can you choose? So many choices :D

@ceridwen04 8 лет назад

Well the cusine changes from north to south, each region has their own habits and specials, but the normal meal used to be around : pasta, meat and some kind of vegetables and fruit, both for lunch and dinner. Nowadays usually either you have pasta or meat, and then fruit. Pizza it's like a treat. How do Italian eat in US?

@mic7able 10 лет назад

I've got it! Anna always reminded me of someone and it's finally clicked. She's the grown up 'Wendy from South Park' I wonder if I'd throw up if she talked to me?

@liltitan9435 10 лет назад

The education system has failed these people, it's just that simple. Another problem is that some people can not take hypothetical questions seriously as everyone saw with Ken Ham. One of the things James Flynn said in his Ted-talk "the ability to think hypothetically and abstractly is making us cognitively more advanced."

@Comp3630 10 лет назад

Facts can't treat indoctrination. In most cases it only reinforces them. Thats why its so important to educate the mind to NOT FEAR logic and reason. Retarding curiosity is the greatest harm religion can do to a human being.

@ausgebombt 10 лет назад

I don't fully agree with what TYT has presented as arguments in this video, even though I'm an atheist and a scientist; these presenters could do with more level headedness too, they seem to get a bit frustrated and angry at religious people when there were actually a few points to consider on those queue cards on the photographs (not the monkeys or the sunsets), equally debunkable but not by stating that "creationism is wrong and evolution is right". The guy had something going on by stating that the scientific theory is different from the popular understanding of a 'theory', but that is not enough... ...anyways I could go on but my main message here is: These presenters were notoriously upsed with the creationist folks, they could've used a bit more level headedness to present their own arguments.

@ausgebombt 10 лет назад

***** Thing is, you don't have to explain anything. Only present your argument and call it a day. Don't presume you are right. You are only right until you are wrong. In this point in time, we are witnessing the collapse of an ancient set of theories, based on an even more ancient set of beliefs. We are in the midst of scientific chaos; religion cannot be disproven, but creationism as a set theory can and it has. But Evolution can, will and needs to be disproven too. After all, that's what scientific theories are for: disproving the ancient status quo, then being status quo themselves only to be disproven by more complete, better theories that will become status quo in the future. But it probably won't happen in our lifetime. (Always remember: a theory can only be scientific if it has the capability of being disproven.) Fearless individuals will accept new knowledge and admit when they are wrong. Fearful individuals will go on their blissfull ignorance.

@ausgebombt 10 лет назад

***** What I mean by "evolution needs to be disproven" - this is just the natural cycle of science and life. Every theory needs to be disproven for Science to progress. Theoretical chaos, enthropy and the resurgence of stability through negentrophy. (These are the basis of Quantum mechanics) The earth was believed to be flat and that was the status quo that prevailed, you were not a mad man by thinking the earth was flat. Then came Hellenism and disproved this theory, which was later demostrated by Sebastian Elcano's journeys. Nowadays we can send a satellite to Space and receive pictures from it SHOWING US that the Earth is round. What does this mean? This means that we SEE the Earth as Round. This does not MEAN the Earth is ROUND, we just perceive it as such. Perception and consensus (we agree that everybody is seeing a round shape) are the tools on which we establish a scientific fact. Ergo, perception is reality. But draw a circle with a pencil and you will see a round shape. Get microscopically close to it and you will see a bundle of dots that are not connected to each other. Thus, by observation, the circle is not round anymore but a collection of unconnected dots. ===== Regarding the theories I mentioned; of course creationism is a theory in itself. It is based on unscientifical claims and assumptions, and thus cannot be hypothesised (thus making it a very futile theory). Religion itself is not a theory, but it has spawned several assumptions on how the world functions that can be branded as "theories". Futile, unscientific theories at that. -------- Religion affiliates have been dwindling since the start of the 1900's. You would need to look at demographic data. We are still in a very young age of revolutionary advancements, and science will become the new religion in the long run (have a go at the "Foundation" saga by Isaac Asimov if you are curious on how that would turn out, hehe)

@ausgebombt 10 лет назад

***** Interesting Cue Cards: "I believe in the big bang theory.. god said it and BANG it happened" - This one is very interesting to me. How do you disprove it? You can't, its based on an unmeasurable belief. This is similar to the Invisible Machine from Aristotle's theories. "Why is evolution taught as a fact?" - The card said that the bible was also a theory, which is not correct. And it disputed why can't we have creationism and evolution both as theories that are taught as school. I'm not interested in this. Creationism has been disproven and teaching it in school is archaic and irresponsible. BUT Evolution should be taught as an ongoing discovery: As the best theory that we have on how we came to be and all the supporting evidence should accompany this lesson. BUT I have a quarrell with the word "Fact". I believe it should be best if we taught and encourage children to question facts. Facts can be proved wrong. Facts can be disputed. Do not miss the opportunity to make the class you are teaching evolution to, to be real scientists: Encourage them to wonder, to question why, to doubt facts and to find their own conclussions. "Are you scared of a Divine Creator?" - This one I LOVE. Because it shows you how a religious person projects their own fears and insecurities over to those who disagree with their claims. I would have asked this person "Are you scared of life without meaning? Of nothing after death?". =) thanks for your curiosity

@ausgebombt 10 лет назад

***** Every theory's main component is the collection of accepted hypothesis... these hypothesis are proven correct or incorrect by experimentation. But somewhere in your collection of hypothesis you will reach a gap. You will have a hypothesis that can neither be proven nor disproven by your current theory. Thus a paradigmatic shift takes place. There are many theories that have been surpased (be mindful that this does not mean proven wrong). I'm only familiar with the following because of my profession, interests and common knowledge: - Bodily Humours (phlegm, yellow bile, blood, black bile) - Phrenology - the Ptolemaic system and the Geocentric universe - the Heliocentric universe (partially) - Newtonian gravity - Aristotelian physics - the theory of Recapitulation These are some but you can find others if you will

@jameswhee 10 лет назад

Regarding the issue that this gives credibility to creationists, I can't help but feel that this debate was like a reproductive biologist debating someone who believes that we come from storks.

@thetaerdin 10 лет назад

Thank you TYT for acknowledging that not all religious people believe in the bible literally. I find it flabbergasting how many atheists only ever even consider a literal interpretation of the bible and use that to discount all religious people as though they only ever can believe ridiculous things. Religious people can be progressive and logical, the sooner people open their eyes to this truth the sooner we can come together and work against the ignorance that plagues our world. I'm sick of people making sweeping generalisations and being bigoted.

@ULTRA_Scuzi 10 лет назад

A stronger argument for the "If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" question can actually be found in the bible it's self. Genesis 2:7 says "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." If we came from dirt, why is there still dirt?

@fosterdexing5673 5 лет назад

ROFL!!!!

@Baconthief1 10 лет назад

You know I am from Texas and I've never actually seen any form of creationism taught. In fact I was taught only scientific material in school. I guess I had a decent district.

@eNAhmE 10 лет назад

Same here. No one ever complained about evolution being taught. Of course there were the one or two radical conservative students that always wanted to argue. However, most students just went with it even if they didn't believe it.

@Baconthief1 10 лет назад

I think it's in very rural parts of texas where you see the creationism being taught.

@TulilaSalome 10 лет назад

Maybe the problem is more that certain people are actively pushing it to be taught in the future.

@KateeAngel 10 лет назад

what I don't understand is whether why creationists and other religious people are scared of a possibility that there is nothing after death, and find it comforting that they will probably live forever...I was like that in the childhood, but now - vice versa - I want to have a chance that one day my existence will end. existing forever is ANYWAY hell, no matter where and how you spend eternity, it will become unbearable one day and forever

@shaqatk4884 10 лет назад

I beg to differ...tell me what is it you find so hellish about eternity? is it the prospect of living forever? maybe with your own thoughts? maybe you believe that you'd inhabit the same body that still decays?

@derekjohnwalker2 10 лет назад

shaqatk4884 Would most people like an extra few years of existance? Probably yes, even an extra lifespan, possibly.But an extra 1000 years? Probably not, an extra 100,000 years, what would anyone do? An extra million years? Terminal boredom would have set in. A billion? A trillion? A trillion eons? I can only conclude that you really do not understand the implications of ∞ and why any equation in which it occurs is inherently unsatisfactory

@shaqatk4884 10 лет назад

Derek Walker Hah no one has a concept of infinity man. but i do know what limited is. now before you continue your rapid conclusions based on little info..that little i don't know what infinity is thing you guessed about me...let me explain my point. OF COURSE you would be bored. people get bored in a hundred years even. but what if you could erase boredom? hmm? we are humans organisms that depend on our memories to tell us who we are. a simple knock on the head in the right place and suddenly its kinda hard to remember how to tie your shoe or even walk... what if you had the ability to selectively choose which memories you wanted to keep and get rid of? what if you had that ability. you couldn't get bored doing something you can't remember doing. well i won't say can't i don't believe in %100 of anything. i'm an atheist but at the same time i do not wish to give up everything that i am for the void if there is a better alternative. what i'm getting at here is messing around with your personal memories to continue to do things as if they were the first time. i can go a step further than that too. what about the ability to create whatever world you want (virtual of course) the ability to explore a finite world an infinite amount of time. so to answer your question yes i would love a trillion eons....but on my own terms. if thats not possible than i gladly choose death and even in the event that my logic is wrong death is still an option in my pretend eternity.

@derekjohnwalker2 10 лет назад

shaqatk4884 Without boredom would we know what interesting is? Most people who experience amnesia would rather not have, and speak of losing a part of themselves. Also if we are 'selecting' memories, are we not limiting the time scale into a manageable period. How could a life be whole, without a beginning a middle and an end? Without the 'void' to fall into, why do anything? Theres always tomorrow, and tomorrow will never ever come. Without death is there even a reason to live?

@shaqatk4884 10 лет назад

Derek Walker i disagree. i'm speaking from a mortal point of view here. what you suggest is if we had no concept of death. i'm saying we bring that fear as well. to keep the very thing that makes is human along with us. you can argue what makes life life but ultimately that's an opinionated answer. for me life is very meaningless. Note however do not take that as me saying you can't make a point for yourself. just that when it comes down to it the sun will rise and earth will spin long after your gone not to mention when does life start and when does it end? for me and you maybe birth and death. but what about the whole universe? i don't think our little questions and thoughts can even touch what the universe really is on the macro or micro level. and even with the void as you say you tell me what the reason is to do anything when we're gonna die anyways? I mean even with biological life as we call it the objective is to pass data from one vessel, our bodies, to another, our offspring. and even then i find myself asking why all this effort and whats the point in a natural point of view. i think i may have my answer but that's an entirely other argument i did fail to talk about your first part and i agree amnesia is wrong but i used that to make a point. we are what our memories tells us we are, dare i say if some one where to force permanent amnesia onto a person with no one anywhere to care even they could care less because they are not who they once were. in that scenario who's to say what they would rather have? especially if their previous existence was very harsh verses what they awoke to.

@glassplotful 10 лет назад

It seems like a parody, with all the common Creationist talking points, then you realize the people with the signs genuinely believe it.

@n0etic_f0x 10 лет назад

Again I want to state why I think Nye is right. He is not arguing with Ham nor the people with these signs. He is arguing with their kids, I know this because a debate show to me by my Church where Ray Comfort "won" a debate made me just think "These are a champions? Not acceptable, good bye." also they champion things like "Bill Nye refuses to debate Ken Ham because we know Ken Ham is right! He can not compete because he already lost!", and yes that was convincing to me.

@jackvoldenherst8738 10 лет назад

Have to agree, I have seen many sites TYT now among them more or less saying "Ham had no point but dominated the argument game set match Ham!" and I am just. Yeah you get that is as idiotic as saying the Broncos won the Super Bowl right? No Ham lost, he made no points and has formed a rift with Pat Roberson. He lost bad, real bad exceptionally bad like massively shit job. He won no one over Nye likely won many. Sorry Ann an TYT ya did not get this one.

@DonaldKronos 10 лет назад

I wish we could have debates like this every day, because they remind people that there is something to be thought through and discussed, and they remind people that there is disagreement out there. I think we need debates-like discussions with more sides involved. Like for example, Mormon,. Jahovah's Witness, Baptist, Atheist, Scientist, Muslim, FSMist, Existentialist, all in the same many way barely-moderated discussion.

@royvincent9250 9 лет назад

there is actually a show in europe on bbc i believe it is called the big question where they do bring in not only different religions but experts in the fields that each topic discuses

@bhnprksh1 8 лет назад

Debates only make any sense if people are ready to reason. Not just take a point and stand on it. This debate was pointless.

@darkashtar 10 лет назад

idiocracy is slowly becoming a reality....

@eqgmrdbz 10 лет назад

It's a scary thing.

@darkashtar 10 лет назад

yes and it seems like it is happening with no morality

@rocpet3 10 лет назад

My girlfriend broke up with me last night after discovering that I didn't believe the world was 6000 years old. She claims she only dates good christian men and that I would go to hell or something like that. I just don't get why she wants to date people who will lie to her.

@TheLuckySaGe 10 лет назад

Are you being serious or not? That is unbelievable.

@rocpet3 10 лет назад

its stupid but I am serious, couldn't believe she would be so stupid. its like she doesn't even want to listen to reason. Apparently this isn't the first time either. the exact quote was "I cannot be romantically involved with someone who believes in evolution" I trying to explain things to her a million times but unfortunately she doesn't want to see reason.

@TheLuckySaGe 10 лет назад

rocpet3 Let her go, she sounds batshit crazy. Maybe it will hurt if you still like her, but in the long run you will be better off.

@maxorbit357 7 лет назад

They touched on the idea that some creationists find the theory of evolution too complicated. Certainly, the details and vast tapestry of facts and proofs is very complicated, BUT, you don't need to understand those details, the concept of mutation and natural selection are very simple. I, you, and so many others, understood these concepts completely, almost instinctively, in grade-school. What's to get?

@Pikkabuu 7 лет назад

It is not really just an idea but actual reality. If you check Penn & Tellers Bullshit episode on creationism they talk to bunch of creationists one of which is a young mommy who argues that evolution is too complicated to explain to kids and so she prefers creationism.

@Duddeldink 10 лет назад

When I first started watching this kind of videos on RU-vid, I wasn't sure that it was such a big deal. I am from Denmark, and here it is not in any way being debated, so I was kinda shocked when I found out that this sort of stuff goes on in America, and that there are actually people over there who believe in the bible over science. What makes me go from shocked to worried, is the fact that all of these people can vote, and that some of them are even politicians, who might one day end up with their finger on the nuclear trigger...

@sisyphus4889 10 лет назад

I am amazed by how many people are failing in seeing why it was a good thing BIll Nye went in there.

@OdenKnight 10 лет назад

He had to do it, and not just for the money. Yes, the spotlight will give Ham a momentary ego boost, as well as publicity, but Ham showed the public how foolish his position and answers are. With more people like Nye handling responses cordially yet directly, these con-artists will get shut down eventually. It just can't happen soon enough. Now, if the media would spend more time with scientists, and if the scientists would spend some time polishing their social skills and interface more with the public, tricksters like Ham won't have as many people to sway.

@jimalbi 10 лет назад

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― George Carlin

@billyknecht7624 8 лет назад

Creationist: I JUST NEED EVIDENCE AND I CAN BELIEVE ANYTHING! What is your evidence for a talking snake? it makes me cri evry tim ;-;

@johnsebastianursal2568 8 лет назад

Exactly

@MrPiccoloku 8 лет назад

+bill Smith Then you give them evidence, and they refuse to believe.

@sheet-son 10 лет назад

Ken ham like many use the default argument, which is when our current understanding cannot prove or disprove a phenomena, then by default "god" must of done it.

@judoyodan 10 лет назад

Religious faith is not something to be respected. It is entirely ignorant to accept religion as anything but superstition.

@tsegreto 10 лет назад

Ana's impersonation of Pat Robertson is amazing.

@mrlozmoore 10 лет назад

only in america could you have a creation museum.

@cbr125rcanada 10 лет назад

Ham's from Australia. Apparently he has fans there as well, no?

@mrlozmoore 10 лет назад

unsure. but like i say, the museum is in the US

@lucasprosdocimo 9 лет назад

maybe this is a stupid question. but other than the US. is there another country in the western world where this is even a serious debate that makes it to the mainstream media?

@Vixikats 9 лет назад

Gonna post for the second time on this, but this message goes specifically to the people who believe in Creationism: Over 1/3 of millennials aren't affiliated with any religion, period. Religion is falling by the wayside BECAUSE kids have the entire collective of human knowledge at their fingertips. They don't need God to explain how the world works. They don't need God as an answer to every tough question they have. People don't need God to be decent human beings. If you're reading this and you don't like what I have to say and you're an active contributor in the Creationist argument and you think you have any chance in hell of winning this debate (I'm being generous calling it that) and you're not willing to change your scientific view in the face of real evidence, just know that the rest of the world is just going to wait for you to die and for your opinion marred into fact become lost to the wind, where it belongs.

@EmberwildeProductions 10 лет назад

@12:48- Ana's Pat Robertson impression is Oscar-worthy.

@jimalbi 10 лет назад

“It is baffling, I must say, that in our modern world we have such blind trust in science and technology that we all accept what science tells us about everything - until, that is, it comes to climate science,” [...or evolution] -Prince Charles

@Hawaiipaul 10 лет назад

"My dick is huge because I'm black and I smoke weed yolo 420" -Bob Marley

@oO_ox_O 10 лет назад

Isn't Prince Charles a homeopathy follower?

@Ebolahill88 10 лет назад

o_O Nobody's perfect.

@felix26591alberto 10 лет назад

There is a difference between having trust and having faith. Trust means that it has worked consistently in the past and you trust the system to produce models and theories that work. Faith means: believing in something without evidence and paying no attention to facts.

@lowercase16 10 лет назад

Ebola "Pobody's nerfect." -Queen Elizabeth

@vuk96zj 10 лет назад

Science is the quest for truth and knowledge, religion commands ignorance.

@chriswatson7965 10 лет назад

In Europe, prior to science, it was religion that was the quest for truth and knowledge and fought superstition. Most European scientists prior to the 20thC were profound Christians. A good example (there are many) is that Newton devoted the last 20 years of his life into the study of the bible.

@vuk96zj 10 лет назад

Dave Smith How can accepting blatantly fraudulent dogma be considered a quest for truth and knowledge???

@Holobrine 9 лет назад

Don't pick on Evolution, pick on Natural Selection. Evolution is a fact; we know life changes over time. Natural Selection is the scientific theory that explains why Evolution occurs. Granted, being a scientific theory means it can't be disproven to easily because of the mountains of evidence supporting it.

@TehOneFreeman 9 лет назад

Not quite natural selection IS a fact, but it is only a part of what evolution it.

@sh0werp0wer 9 лет назад

This. Evolution through mutation and natural selection have been proven to occur in bacteria, evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is that this same process is what shaped humans, we have an abundance of evidence corroborating this theory as well as the theory being extremely reasonable to begin with. By compelling evidence the theory of evolution is proven.