Everything about him and everything he said is so unbelievably stupid I dont know what to tackle first. The analogy of the 9 year old and the cookies was beyond belief. Cookies?!! Yeah children do alot of things for a cookie. Who cares? 9 year olds who kick a ball 1hour every friday are college players who sacrifice so many things and their life produces a product with such a high demand worth bilions and play for nothing. And if we compensate them fairly like giving them a cookie..a cookie!!! Isnt the love of the game enough? OMG! They are amatuers. Or students. Then why the fuck are they in a proffesional sport making bilions? Everything is exactly like a business and like a proffesional league making money except the people who are the reason it all exists and makes money. The word is slaves, not amatuers. Exploitation to the highest degree. But the woman didnt like that word. No words for this hypocricy. And van jones calls himself a democrat. Dude is so off the reservation he doesnt even know he is a republican. Maybe if we give him a cookie he will stop saying idiotic crap.
@@ainthatsomeshit He clearly doesn't think about things before he says them. That's why I don't give a shit about his opinions even if I agreed with them.
I lost respect for Van Jones the night he cried after 45 won, but had I known about THIS, I'd have lost that respect a long time ago. The faces that he was making while Cap (Kareem) was speaking, are just plain disrespectful.
She kept on saying that the school was providing a 120k "value" to the student. No it's not. A scholarship only holds value if you are taking and passing a in demand degree such as a STEM degree. Millions of people graduate college with no jobs lined up today. A degree is worth less then the paper it's printed on for many fields in college. This is a legalized monopoly. Can you imagine if tech giants had an anti poaching policy with each other so that they can control the wages of their programmers? This monopolistic practice wouldn't be allowed anywhere else so why is it allowed in college and professional sports? Athletes need to take these scum bags to court.
@@jaxstax2406 how about if they get paid they have to pay for school travel to away games transportation hotels food and they have to carry their own insurance if they get hurt
@@jamesj3352 The schools would have to pay for those things if they want to hope to attract athletic students to their school. College sports is a 2+ billion dollar industry - I think they'll be able to find the money from somewhere. They can't afford not to.
@@jaxstax2406 and the schools do pay for them how about people that go to school to be scientist the millions of dollars schools take in for research should they get paid too
But what about getting a haircut, buying food when the meal plan runs out, getting a cab or a bus across town. The scholarship doesn’t cover living expenses.
Right thats my thoughts too...i mean i saw an interview with a kid who just won a final four and talked about going to bed hungry every night. Thats complete and utter BS
The school s cut cost on these so called $120.000 scholarships by requiring athletes to become in state residents. The NCAA and Universities are pimps.
@@CAGonRiv I went to a school with two first round draft picks \ future NBA players in 2001. I know for a fact those guys food was covered. Even their books.
Let us not forget that to play in NBA and NFL you HAVE to go through the NCAA. The scam is right there, no other major sports league forces their players to go through any league before theirs
+Lamar Francis I think the only sport you should go to college is for football cause high school football is a way bigger jump from the NFL and you wouldn't wanna be 18 years old getting hit by Ray Lewis ,JJ Watt etc.😭😭
+Floyd Samuels You don't want to (I played smaller college ball, but I couldn't have done that), but again, they HAVE to. They don't let you enter the league until you're out of HS for 3 years. So Leonard Fournette can't go. Todd Gurley couldn't go last year. Clooney couldn't go, and he would've been a #1 pick the year prior. Same with AP. Not everyone has that ability, but give them the OPTION. Especially since they don't have the option to play "minor league" football anywhere else.
+Lamar Francis but look at the dudes that's going to be gassed up like they all that get into the nfl and don't do another and then game over .. And you wouldnt know who those guys was until college ..( and I can be wrong )
"Where is this money even going to come from?" Amazing. The 1% can flourish financially in silence while they are defended by some of the 99% to the 99%.
@@brianahailey6244 no they use keys words to demean and belittle which makes it easy to undervalue because why pay “kids”. No if they walk out and punch someone in the face at 17 or steal a car they are an adult making adult decisions. It’s bias and manipulative to form an image to play their narrative. The legal drinking age is 21yrs because they say out brains aren't fully developed until then 🙄 so yea minimum 21-24yrs and idk how big and scary an athlete looks like how some darn fools are saying on here doesn't change their age. My nephew is 5 11 and 250lbs solid and a player and only 14yrs old. I wish one of you old fools would walk up to him and treat him like an adult, he is just a big KID!
Christine Brennan was having a different conversation. Kareem is saying "pay the brothers". Christine is saying "we need moře morals". Paying the Kids is the furthest thing from her mind.
The percentage of college student/athletes that make it to the pro level of their sport is less than 2%, how many sports figures have you seen that went broke after making millions, sometimes hundreds of millions, went completely broke, but they wish they had a degree to fall back on
Ok, You pay 120,000 for a year for a scholarship. In turn, how much money does that athlete make for the school. They expect those students to live like peasants. They are not allowed to make money on the side. It's total bs.
The critics against athletes being paid always talk about the athletes getting a free education in exchange for being a college athlete. What about the fact that it is no longer an equal exchange? The money that college athletes generate for the schools can pay for more than 10 people to get a degree. What needs to be done is eliminate the middleman which is the college by getting all of the best athletes to join minor leagues instead of going to college. However, because of the TV contracts it will be quite a process. But in the begining stages while not having the top athletes to showcase their talents for major college programs the schools will suffer financially and may come to their senses and change theses old rules and pay the athletes so they can at least feed and clothes themselves while going to school.
Personally, I think Kareem had WAY more info than the lady (I no her name but I don't like her so imma call her lady now)did because while he was coming with all those facts and a lot of them, she barely had anything to back up her opinion. I don't think she was factually ready to debate this topic.
We’re looking at this completely inaccurately. Stop calling them “scholarship athletes” and let’s call them what they are, as the NCAA purports, “scholarship students”. As such, let’s treat scholarship student (athletics) equal to scholarship student (music) or (academics). In this case, those scholarship students (athletics) would have the ability to work part-time, do summer internships, set-up e-commerce businesses, tutor, etc. We know that’s not possible due to the broad commitment expected and demanded to compete intercollegiately and the compliance concerns the NCAA would tout. So in exchange for the inability to earn income allowable and commensurate as other scholarship students, the NCAA should provide a subsidy to compensate. The hypocrisy of the entire system is not necessarily that athletes don’t get paid, but that the system treats them vastly differently than other scholarship students who have the same scholarship benefits (free tuition, room& board).
Kareem dropped the mic with the scholarship removal injury thing. Newt was the only one who I think really understood how unfair and disgusting the NCAA really is. That was the same case with the college football video game.
This is a worthy debate ; however, while there is much more that the colleges, universities and NCAA could be doing to prevent the proverbial "tail from wagging the dog", it must not be forgotten that "money is power" and that "power corrupts". Pitty the future of sports for the small school in the face of payment for student athletes.
Make the money accessible after either graduation or acceptance into the league. It's not that hard, this sounds like a revitalization of share cropping, where the ncaa becomes the market thus setting price and worth...
I went to Marquette University. When I was a freshman, Dewayne Wade was a Junior. I mention Wade because he was widely known for being a student and a family man. Following Marquette's showing at the final four, Wade enters the draft and his life begins as a NBA player on the road to a Championship career. Does anybody really think this college athlete/young father/ husband played basketball for the love of the game? To accept your scholarship is a business decision. The scholarship is not payment. When you go to the office, did you pay for the desk? Do you pay for your trainings? Do you pay for your office supplies? No. Why? Because those things are a business investment to gain a profitable return. A scholarship, a coach, equipment, classes, are there for the purposes of the student athlete being called a student. It's a false equivalence to say the scholarship is payment. A lot of them have to skip a lot classes and do not receive the same level of education due to the required athletic schedule. These grown people often earn more revenue for these schools than any other programs they have. These men, women, AI+ need to be paid.
Kareem is right, some college coaches make 9 million dollars a year and the student/athlete just gets an education unless they're injured and then they lose their scholarship. This is wrong, the athlete are allowed to enrich the schools, but can't even make ends meet for themselves.
Nah bro look at the revenue schools make millions from soccer and baseball and other sports. It should simply depend on the schools ability to pay their athletes. Schools making less money pay their players less while bigger schools gaining more revenue pay their athletes more. Of course different sports will recieve different revenue just look at womens soccer vs mens. Some guy on the bench for nottingham forest in the championship makes as much as the best womens players in the US.
This would have never been an issue in the first place if the NCAA would have mandated that there was some form of "Workmans compensation" for kids that get injured. If they would have taken care of the players medical needs when they would get hurt we wouldn't be having this conversation now. They didnt plain and simple they'd use these kids them throw them out in the cold...its inhumane bullcrap is what it is.
A solid point was brought up, if the player does not go PRO, then there is a college education that they are able to fall back on. Another great issue that was brought up was the fact that college players are not receiving the benefits of a college education, which is academic dishonesty upon the school itself. Paying only the basketball and football collegiate athletes seems a little unfair when there are other schools out there as well. Another point that is not discussed, what about other schools that are not D1? They are putting the same amount of energy into the sport compared to players who are D1. How is that fair?
Should coaches in public colleges get paid more than the governors? If not, why are they? Next perspective. Players do not play in the NCAA just for the love of the game. They play in the NCAA because they were recruited. State college isn’t going to have a roster full of “people who love to play the game”. They are going to have people who can throw, run, catch, and dunk...It’s a revenue generating system that either needs to compensate the players or make attendance to the games virtually free because it’s a collegiate and not a professional game
Athletic scholarships are not automatic for 4 years (5 years when red-shirt). Scholarships are renewed annually, so it's up to this coach who is making millions, to keep a player on scholarship or not. The price of "winning" has gone up and it's time the players reap the benefits of their labor.
I say all of the primetime athletes go to black colleges if they don't get paid. If they are going to work for free it might as well be for the betterment of their people.
AT THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM college athletes should have the right to generate profits off court/pitch through image rights etc. and should be protected against having their future wrecked by injury to line other people's pockets.
College athletes put their lives on the line for these schools, they deserve at least $2000 dollars a month. I'm from Gainesville, Florida which is the home of the Florida Gators. The Gators are competitive at every sport (check the rankings). It is the student which brings money into these institutions and they deserve to paid ...something out of the earnings. Most of these guys playing college sports are not receiving an adequate education because they don't have time for education. No, they are brought into these schools for one reason and one reason only: to win.
Sean James using your background in the military as a way to dismiss the mans argument and as a controversial shock tatic is unnecessary on your part and doesn't even have anything to do with the overall topic, your just playing semantics by picking out that one point to build your argument. these athletes do indeed risk their lives, although not to the level of someone in the army of-course but the chances are still very high and in some cases even risk possibly causing permanent harm to ones self. In return you lose your scholarship and have to deal with school costs and expensive medical bills while the school you played for is cashing in millions of your play and merchandise with your name on it even years after you have left the school. The revenue and underline profit generated is nothing in comparison to the cost of a scholarship which is renewable and not 4 years guaranteed, not to mention stupid ncaa a rules that permit these athletes from working and grueling training schedules. Other students whether they are on a scholarship or not are offered co-op paid work terms, so why shouldn't a top student athlete at an elite school making billions off of his performance be allowed some level of fair and equal compensation for his legitimate contributions to those profits. It's the atheletes that are the draw that bring in ticket sales, food and concession sales and not to mention merchandise sales with their names and likeness as the main draw of the product.
Sean James your just pathetic, not everyone wants to join the army which was a choice on your behalf and is no way as structured or predictable of an organization such as the ncaa where they can easily afford to develop a system to compensate these athletes when they are the sole driving force of profits, at least you were paid for your services. it seems to me if anyone is a whinny bitch it's you, you said yourself you weren't athletic so getting mad at someone else who is and actually worked to build and develop that athletic prowess is sad. Using your service in the army to gain sympathy and to be little others is unnecessary, you said you had no other choices so live with it or do something about, nothing stoped you from getting an academic scholarship or starting up a business. clearly by your words and based on facts it doesn't take much to initially join the army but a willing person who has a working and healthy human body, where as these athletes have to dedicate hours and years perfecting their craft until they are worthy to then be selected and awarded said scholarship. these athletes work to earn these scholarships, where you dont have to earn anything to join the army. All those who join the army are indeed brave human beings and true warriors not to sound like i am categorizing them all as brats or losers like you.
James Blake your a dumbass so i'm not going to argue with you, no one said anything about it being hard but that they should receive equal compensation for the large revenue that they generate. This has nothing to do with you or the military, you cant compare war which is unstructured and unpredicatble to a big business that has the money and infrastructure to properly compensate these atheletes. Unlike you they have other options, one of them being the pay that they should be getting through amateur sports. just because you chose to join the military doesn't mean they shouldn't, that was your choice no one forced you to join, like you said you had no other marketable skills, so live with your decision and stop hating on others, or do something about it if your mad about not being paid enough or whatever your deal is. This country is democratic capitilist society, so if they want money and it's clearly feasible than so be it. hiding behind being in the military and trying to make others feel guilty or sympathetic for your plight is pathetic.
James Blake Using your deficiencies or pent up anger at the way your life has turned out to discourage others from fighting to get what they deserve makes no sense, the world doesn't revolve around you or your choice to be in the military. Your a solider congrats, this has absolutely nothing to with that, there is a lot of money being made and they deserve their due share. if they don't want to join the military to make a living that's their choice and theirs nothing wrong with that, these student athletes are simply fighting for what is owed to them. what if the army said we are going to pay for your food and shelter but we wont pay you for your services, while members of the government are making tons of money while your the one fighting wars, what would you say ????
as a former D1 football player. There should be some type of stipend for the athletes. Those that say the players are getting a free education have never played a college sport at a high level. That education is not free. You work your ass off. Too much to explain.
how is the education not free when a student athlete is not paying any tuition? Other students works their ass off not just Athletes, how is it fair for the others. Especially those who are in engaged in research and receive government grants?
Hush it Van! You compared your 9y/o playing soccer to these players 🙄🙄😷You have your son's back financially period. Pay these young men! Every college athlete will not make $120,000 out of school.
My first response: The Universities don't even guarantee their scholarships for over one year. The NCAA is trash. Pay the Athletes. They are employees similar to if they were working as student workers.
They are saying: "Its wrong to have a student millionaire in the class" . What if your family is rich in the first place? I didnt know that rich kids are not allowed to drive Ferraris to school!
These people, except for Ms. Brennan have nothing to say, offer no solutions, don't know crap. Scholarships cost schools money, athletes do earn $40-80,000/year-the cost of education.
They are already getting paid with scholarships. Some quite valuable. If they choose to forgo that scholarship to try and become a professional ball player. Most who leave early probably will not make the grade. Now the education opportunity is gone. Little or no opportunity to make a living.
why not have $$ put into an escrow account that can only be accessed after their eligibility ends?
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Putting a value on a scholarship is overrated. Kids go to colleges more for winning programs than a degree. So the worth of a star athletes is far more than the scholarship he receives. why is tuition so expensive. Colleges pay no property taxes, tax on tuition, Tv revenue, shoe deals, endowement, investments, booster money, etc. There is no reason for tuituion to have triples since my time in college. Ask all these kids with a degree working in retail, starbucks, etc. How much value did their education and degrees have. FYI. I'm a former pro athlete with a degree in Economics. Didn't get me Hired. I ended up starting 2 small companies with my wife. We have no problem paying an amateur coach millions of dollars over the teachers at the college. What about those kids when the coach who recruited them leave. But we focus on an athlete. If a kid with a computer science major writes an app for Apple and makes millions we gonna take away his scholarship?
Money should be contributed to a retirement plan, 401k of some type of stocks in which they cannot touch until they are no longer a college student. Makes sense
And 7 years later we're still having the same conversation. These colleges definitely have enough money to pay their students, at the least, an average cost of living yearly salary.
VAN JONES... REALLY?!?! Student athletes work their asses off! Intense practices, plus maintaining their school work; these aren’t regular students! All they are allowed to do is play sports. They are USED! Aren’t allowed to do anything outside of their sport; likeness is used to make money and you can’t see fit to give them a stipend of some sort, just to do basic things like eat some place outside of the dining facility, haircut, or anything else they may “want” to do for themselves. It is definitely a form of servitude and the response is... “...their getting a free education.” The school racks in millions and the coach makes bank; yea, time for a change.
She is talking in code. She knows exactly why Kareem feels as though plauers should get paid. Why should a bunch of men and women be able to sit in an office and earn a huge yearly salary off of the backs of the players? Yet, if a player has a death in the family and no money to buy a plain ticket, NOBODY can purchase a ticket for that young man or woman. The free education talking point is old and out dated. $125 thousand, isn't a mere fraction of what the ncaa and colleges are making off of these kids.
The statement that an injury equals loss of scholarship is patently false. A school can NOT take a scholarship away due to injury. This conversation should include people who actually know the rule and how it all works. None of these people know what they are talking about.
At the end of the day a free education is asset that most college students DO NOT GET. Whether an Athlete makes it to the pros or not, that athlete if they work hard will graduate on a free ride. They would have gained more than what they came in with; which is a luxury. Paying Athletes will ruin College Sports. It will create unfair advantages for certain schools who have the resources to pay more for their athletes than others. Also you cannot just pay Football and Basketball players and not violate the Title 9 law. All athletes even the ones that do not generate a lot of revenue will have to get paid. Also if they are paid unfairly a University will have to deal with a ton of litigation. THIS IS A FOOLISH IDEA! and it WILL RUIN COMPETITIVE COLLEGE SPORTS
Just because you are a great athlete doesn’t mean you’re a great student. They push them thru with a degree that has no value. They should make a deal so that they get a stipend as a student athlete and a payout based on your time in the program. That will keep them humble and focused until they leave the program.
Whats radical? Doesnt the college pay students that work in the library and other jobs for the school? Kids that go to school dont also work jobs as well? Whats the difference from just considering it as working a job as well as being a student
And Van is taking the whole thing outa context he making it seem like paying the players mean millions of dollars, no just something at least 5 thousand a month for every player
Van Jones: NO COLLEGE ATHLETE......is playing for the fucking “love of the game.” These dudes don’t bust their asses day in and day out, try to go out and put up great numbers, in HOPES their draft stocks will increase, so that they can be drafted by either the NFL or the NBA
Van Jones at 50 seconds in..."They could be paid more than their professors?" In 35 states (oops it's 39), a college coach is the highest paid public employee in the state (more than professors, college presidents, governors, senators etc). On the face of it this Van Jones statement is idiotic. How about the NCAA limit what all the other grifters (coaches, NCAA executives, etc can earn to... let's say $500,000, that's a pretty hefty salary. and then fund the rest to actually educating people.
Why not just start a amateur league outside of college? Let those who are students of academics have their schools back. And let amateur players compete for a spot in the amateur league. She makes a point, if football and basketball players are paid, they will have to pay all student athletes the same way ( the college )
She's speaking of hypothetical scenarios when she talks of what if a bank officer hires the student athlete in the future and how much would that be worth. We're talking about actual present day values here and not hypothetical scenarios in the future. Besides, if she wants to talk about hypotheticals then who's to say that if the student athlete got paid today and invested that money then it may be worth millions in the future.
They are just trying to make it harder and harder for these college athletes, maybe if they pay them they would not have to go out and try to find a job just to keep up with the every day living 🤬
I don’t think the kids should get paid millions per say but they do deserve some money and should be able to sell their own jerseys with their own names and accepts gifts or how bout once their done with school they pay them something
I love Christine Brennan no I really dont! Let me help Christine if an athlete brings in millions for a university why is he forced to share his cut of the pie with someone else who doesnt? She mentions UCLA. I am guessing Ed O'Bannon brought more revenues to Westwood then the damn lacrosse team. Truthfully if paying football and basketball players resulted in cutting others sports that is just the free market talking. Vanderbilt baseball won the college world series. Their women's bowling team won a national title, how many even on this board new intercollegiate athletics had bowling??
AUgrad00 Why is it that just because someone had a talent for a different sport, they would be paid a significant amount less simply because people aren’t interested in it?
It's not 1athlete,it's the team and the program, do you know how many student athletes there are in America, about 180,000 kids, do you know how many of them make it to the pros, less than 2%?
A lot of athletes play for the love of feeding their families. Most students go for the love of a better job opportunity. Not love of knowledge. Wealthy families may not have children who need money but a lot need the money which promotes dedication.
