Dangerous Discussions on Korean History │ Dr. Donald Baker

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Although this started as a conversation about Gwangju and Professor Don Baker’s experiences there starting in 1971, including witnessing the aftermath of the massacre in 1980, we quickly understood there was much more for us to explore. This includes Don’s impressions of Kim Dae-jung, gender and women in the Joseon Dynasty, Korea’s historical relationship with China, Confucianism and ancestor worship, the effects of Japanese colonization, and the field of Korean Studies more broadly.
It was completely spontaneous, but I also noted the following people and their work referenced throughout this conversation, demonstrating the depth and breadth of Don’s knowledge: Alexis Dudden, Dave C Kang, Alexander Woodside, Jisoo Kim, Hyaeweol Choi, Carter Eckert, Andre Schmid, Jahyun Kim Haboush, Gregory Henderson, Robert Carlin, Eugene Park, Michael Seth, John Jorgensen, Kim Sun Joo, BR Myers, Bruce Cumings, James Palais, Mark Peterson, John Duncan, Steve Shields, and David Dolinger.
Despite knowing the tragedy and violence taking place in Gwangju, Don snuck into the city to find his friends and understand what was really happening. His descriptions of the attacks and murder that took place in Gwangju are heartbreaking to listen to. And through all of this, he nevertheless finishes with words of hope and positivity.
Discussion Outline
0:00 Unpacking Gwangju
6:00 Kim Dae-jung
10:20 1970s Korea
20:50 On Confucianism
24:30 Korean Studies
30:00 The Joseon Dynasty
38:50 Japanese Colonization and Collaboration
51:55 Korean Studies and Factions
1:08:50 Confucianism vs Catholicism (Ancestor Worship)
1:15:30 The Assassination of Park Chung-hee 1979
1:21:40 The Gwangju Massacre 1980
1:47:00 American Involvement in Gwangju
1:55:30 Representations of Gwangju
2:03:46 Conclusions on Life and Korea
Dr. Baker's Books
- A Korean Confucian’s Advice on How to Be Moral: Tasan Chŏng Yagyong’s Reading of the Zhongyong (University of Hawaii Press, 2023)
- Catholics and Anti-Catholicism in Chosŏn Korea (University of Hawaii Press) with Franklin Rausch. May, 2017.
- Korean Spirituality (Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press, 2008)
- Chosŏn Hugi Yugyo wa Ch’ŏnjugyo ŭi Taerip [The Confucian Confrontation with Catholicism in the Latter Half of the Chosŏn Dynasty] (Seoul: Iljogak Publishing Co., 1997)
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6 авг 2024

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@LooxJJ 7 месяцев назад

Good to see Dr. Baker. Was in his class way back in the late 90s...

@DavidTizzard 7 месяцев назад

That's super cool. I was really happy to have been able to sit with him and share his stories like this. What a guy :D

@neilsmith1377 7 месяцев назад

Nice one, David. This was a really great listen. The final part of the conversation about goals and hard work is something that I think about quite often. I'm in my 3rd year of medical university in Bulgaria / Germany now and this would absolutely not be happening without the values that Korea taught me. Something I would be curious to ask Dr. Baker about is if he ever felt let down by the cultural shift when he moved to Canada? Since I came back to Europe I find myself experiencing disappointment with the lack of community spirit amongst medical students and professionals too. But as I'm writing this I'm also realising that I often appreciate the more relaxed version of social hierarchy over here so it's a tricky topic.

@DavidTizzard 7 месяцев назад

Thank you, Neil. Nice to hear from you. I didn't know you were in that part of the world, but I hope everything is going well for you. Yes, Dr. Baker has fascinating takes on so much. What a dude! And I completely agree with you on the different values and ways of being in the world. I actually wrote about this week in my column on "Koreanization". I concluded that it's cool to have incorporated both western and eastern ideas because it makes me more complete as a person. Neither is necessarily better than the other but rather they can complement each other. Would love to know your take on it, of course. www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2023/12/715_365645.html

@neilsmith1377 7 месяцев назад

@@DavidTizzard Very nicely articulated in the article. It's a far more practical outlook to be grateful of experiencing both cultures rather than just whincing at rude medical students / doctors now and again haha. It's a great point and I'm going to head into 2024 with this mindset. I can very much relate to the bowing part haha. My Korean wife and I still do it instinctively to this day whenever we say goodbye in the local language. Cheers for the reply, David. Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you!

@DavidTizzard 7 месяцев назад

@@neilsmith1377 Happy New Year, Neil. Was a lovely surprise to see your name pop up here. Wishing you all the best for 2024 over there.

@michaelduffy6874 8 месяцев назад

I think the line from a song that Professor Baker slightly misquoted would have been from Tom Paxton's Talking Vietnam Potluck Blues: I brought you a taste of a special stash Straight from Uncle Ho's victory garden We call it Hanoi Gold So his squad and my squad settled down Passin' lovely stuff around All too soon it was time to go The Captain got on the radio Said "Hello headquarters?, Helloo, ahh, Headquarters?? We have met the enemy and he has been smashed!"

@DavidTizzard 8 месяцев назад

That's brilliant stuff, Mike - thanks for adding the context and the correct song. I'll give it a listen today. My favourite Tom Paxton song has always been Johnny Got a Gun - just something about it that feels so moving.