Definitely not a bug: the 2nd ever LOUD ECM Rush! Black Cat edition

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The second Loud ECM Rush ever. These did not exist a few weeks ago, but now we have two! By finding some faulty loud triggers, you can do the whole heist in loud (with the corresponding objective chain), while remaining in stealth. No cops, no assault, no interference! Sneaky loud.
➽ TIME STAMPS:
0:00 → What is a loud ECM rush?
0:33 → The rush begins as usual, for the first few seconds...
1:35 → Clean-up...
2:22 → Special objective!
3:18 → Choice between saws or explosions.
3:55 → The assault might actually start right here...
4:24 → Bonus objectives and possible softlock.
5:40 → Winch drop! Perfect for a stealth heist.
8:14 → Reinforcements arrive... will this remain in stealth?
9:50 → The raid boss is not going down...
11:10 → Easy objective time!
12:15 → Helicopter scam!
13:18 → Escape, and exploring possible bonus objectives.
14:50 → XP breakdown.
14:59 → End screen!
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Special thanks to Fun, Dyrax, and Twits, for finding this strategy and then exploring it! Back when we found this, I might have walked through the lasers on a real ECM rush, I forget...
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Recorded with: GeForce Experience
Edited with: Vegas Pro 12.0
Game version: Apr 28th, 2023 patch (Update 236.1)

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@dimsthedimwit600 11 месяцев назад

"Black cat heist but it actually takes place in the middle of the sea"

@Marcmb 11 месяцев назад

Hahaha very fair point! It would absolutely take the cops a long time to arrive, which probably explains why it's only the helicopter who was able to show up :D

@paiksimous Год назад

If anyone ever requests a loud heist just play loud stealth

@Marcmb Год назад

Very smart! I will do some streams at some point in the future, so if someone in the chat ever requests a loud heist, that is what I will do haha :D

@tarihimanyak9787 Год назад

Marc: Tie all the civs and kill the rest. Crew: 8 cable ties remaining.

@Marcmb Год назад

:( Usually no one in my crew cares about being civ pacifist! It's always just me using my cable ties haha :D

@ghostrunner5184 Год назад

The turret reatreating isn't damaged based, it's time based. If you destroy it before it goes away then you just do the objective quicker.

@Marcmb Год назад

I thought that might be the case! A similar thing happens on other heists (like objectives auto-completing on Panic Room if you just wait until the assault ends), so it seemed likely here as well. However for entertainment purposes, it definitely was a lot more fun trying to fight it, rather than just hiding and waiting for a few mintues! :D

@bandicootmaon5979 Год назад

I always thought the turret was damage based so I would be trying to destroy it wondering if it had more health than normal

@sillyjester Год назад

I doubt it will ever happen but I hope one day a faulty loud trigger is found for counterfeit, with the whole “stealth counterfeit” thing coming full circle

@Marcmb Год назад

That would be very nice! Counterfeit full stealth was already patched many years ago in Update 105, but then broken down the line (which allowed me to make my very first video)... so it might work again someday! :D

@sillyjester Год назад

I imagine it is highly unlikely, although it would be thrilling if you did ever find a faulty trigger or some other method. Who knows, if such a pseudo stealth occurrence ever is possible it might even be better than your debut method since it could potentially eliminate the worry of the neighbors

@Marcmb Год назад

@@sillyjester It would be easier indeed, only time will tell! For now I've already tested all the options (changing the order of events between the mandatory C4 and some other event triggers) and there's no way to avoid the assault currently. But perhaps in the future!

@sillyjester Год назад

@@Marcmb I’d have to investigate how the stealth to loud trigger works but the only potential way I could speculate breaking it would be extremely specific scenarios of getting loud triggers to happen simultaneously and confuse the game (though that highly depends on how the devs coded the mechanics of breaking stealth)

@gentleseal1778 Год назад

Who knew the way to have loud stealth would be to simply kill all witnesses?

@Marcmb Год назад

It's quite refreshing yup! Back when the game released, early stealth used to work like this (get rid of everyone and just run around freely) so I've missed this a lot, although the current system is better overall :D

@tailsfanteg4712 Год назад

Darn, I wasn't in this game for so long new heists started to drop I see. The half-stealth-half-loud is very unusual and interesting too.

@Marcmb Год назад

Some of the new heists are amazing yup! Next one on June 20th, called "Crude Awakening". Looking forward to what that's going to be :D

@JohnDoe-et5bq 9 месяцев назад

everyone seems so nice in ur crew looks like such a blast!

@PyrrhaNikos115 Год назад

I know someone else mentioned it but the helicopter is time based and not actually a required ‘kill’ per se, BUT if you want to challenge yourselves by killing it then crit builds on weapons with high rates of fire are the way to go. Of course explosives also deal 15x damage to turrets, but I’m not sure how your incindiary grenades will fare. THIS BEING SAID: you still have to at least trigger the turret and have some sort of altercation or else it actually WILL just stay there forever.

@Marcmb Год назад

Actual explosives should've been quite good yup! As you say, I'm not sure if the incendiary Arbiter would have worked very well -- doesn't make too much sense against an airborne enemy, but it would've been worth trying! If we ever come back to it in the future, to optimize it for XP purposes, we'll definitely start the heist with less sneaky loadouts, to actually take down the turret :p Also very cool to know that you actually have to interact with it at least once for the retreat timer to start. Thanks for all the useful info!

@PyrrhaNikos115 Год назад

@@Marcmb No problem! I look forward to seeing what other creative stuff you come up with, doubly so once we get our hands on Payday 3

@Marcmb Год назад

@@PyrrhaNikos115 Thank you for the very nice words! I'm also very much looking forward to PAYDAY 3. I'll try to fully explore everything in the current game, until the sequel releases! :D

@PyrrhaNikos115 Год назад

@@Marcmb At this rate I'm sure you will! Keep it up!

@RealYella Год назад

turret literally just leaves after a while, and snipers cannot call all you had to do was kill the snipers and afk :steammocking:

@Marcmb Год назад

Haha I thought that might be the case yup, since it happens often in other heists like Panic Room. However for the purposes of the video, it felt a lot better if we actually had to fight it! :D

@skiller5034 Год назад

My headcanon is when the pager guy hears the alarm go off, he just clocks out immediately without checking whether cops have been deployed or not. Or calling them himself. He's just that underpaid.

@Marcmb Год назад

Hahaha that's certainly the funniest way to look at it! Poor man doesn't get paid enough for his job, so every single day at work he's literally waiting for his first opportunity to clock out...

@_EnderTv 2 месяца назад

as some game studio said: "It's not a bug, it's a feature"

@Marcmb 2 месяца назад

Haha! I don't know who said that originally, but I love them already!

@erikakerblom2900 Год назад

Noice as always Marc

@Marcmb Год назад

Thank you very much Erik! :D

@XA_Live Год назад

When old Locke forgets his schizophrenia pills:

@Marcmb Год назад

Take your meds Locke! We can't possibly heist like this!

@poundweed3499 Год назад

Yup, the good ol' "it is stealth if there is no-one to raise the alarm" rule

@Marcmb Год назад

Exactly yeah! Reminds me of stealth back on the very early days, where you just completely cleared the map, and then you were free to roam around with no resistance :D

@poundweed3499 Год назад

@@Marcmb you mean like jewelry store on overkill? How many maps could you do that on? Also, thank you for making great content, even without any words spoken verbally you manage to entertain very well

@Marcmb Год назад

@@poundweed3499 Most heists pretty much! Framing Frame was a very common one: there was no bonus inspector after killing a certain number of guards, and dominated guards did not trigger pagers, so you could always get rid of all guards if you played the heist properly! Also thank you very much for the kind words :D Glad to hear you're enjoying the content! I'll do my best to keep it up :)

@rodney6484 11 месяцев назад

Hi, as I see you do respond which is nice! Wonderfull job you did on the channel! Can diamong museum heist be done this way? Would it work if you kill every guard there with ECM rush and step on the wrong tile in the maze?

@Marcmb 11 месяцев назад

Thank you very much Rodney! I do try to check all the new comments whenever I have time yup :) The Diamond works in a very similar way, in the sense that the alarm is delayed when you step on the wrong tile (as long as ECMs are running), but it seems there's some loud helicopters that are scripted spawns, and there's no way to avoid those. More testing needed still!

@Virtualsinner 10 месяцев назад

He broke the game so much not even the Zeal team wants to fight him

@miuzoreyes6547 Год назад

That's a great strat, will probably end up trying it out! Though I'm a bit curious how this works exactly. Are there real and fake loud triggers? I've noticed there being one in panic room - if you "break stealth" by going up the staircase where you're not supposed to, then put an ecm down, you get a similar stealth loud state where gangsters are calling for backup while it is active, trying to make the heist go into real loud. However, there's a real loud trigger after you kill chavez which you can't avoid afaik. I wonder if a similar thing is happening here, except that overkill forgot to put in a real loud trigger somewhere to avoid this?

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey miuzoreyes! Excellent question. On most heists, there are indeed "real" loud triggers, in the sense that they trigger the alarm, but they also start the assault (so you don't get any extra time by having ECMs down). These fake triggers are set up poorly, so they only do the former. This means the only way for the assault to actually start, is by having some of the civilians / guards call the cops, which can't happen if you kill everyone - and then you get locked in this "pseudo-loud" state. Likely the same thing as you describe for the start of Panic Room, although I didn't know that one was a thing, nice! Shame that they added a real loud trigger on Chavez's death though :(

@miuzoreyes6547 Год назад

@@Marcmb Speaking of fake loud triggers, not sure if you're aware of this one or if it has been found already, but I've discovered that Mountain Master heist also has a faulty loud trigger - the gong. By shooting at it, you enter the fake loud state, and as long as every guard and civilian was dealt with (which is very easy to do due to map size), including some of the scripted spawns that happen later - you can finish the heist in the "pseudo-loud" state. The dangers are 3 triads that spawn from a door inside elevator area shortly after the gong is hit and car is being rotated, and after driving through the door there's a few civilians and guards in the office + 3 guards and the boss on the roof. The boss, thankfully, cannot call the cops. Oh, and yes - you have to fight the armored boss with 40k HP. The same thing *might* be applicable to the dragon heist, as I faintly remember the same gong being there as well. However I haven't bought the DLC yet so I cannot really test it.

@shotgunlolipop Год назад

The amount of exclamation points causes pain.

@Marcmb Год назад

Sorry about that unlipt. I'll try to keep those in check for future videos... this was a discovery run, so most of what was happening on screen was quite surprising to me, hence the exclamation points :D

@shotgunlolipop Год назад

@@Marcmb No problem lol, just couldn't help but notice how many there were! It would cause me even more pain if my little comment caused you stop using excessive exclamation points. And yeah, this was a really interesting video, crazy how the game has loud triggers that sometimes don't actually work. I'd love to try this sometime.

@zairuswane Год назад

That thumbnail reminds me of the Matrix 2 scene where Neo and Morpheous are following the Keymaker across the hidden room in the skyscraper where they would meet the architect... and then Agent Smith shows up and calls in the police assault- I mean, spawns all the Smith's clones and they start fighing in the corridors haha Nice video! I dont know about the turret, but a few times in console where turret spawns, Im pretty sure I dont destroy it and it sometimes stops shooting and allows me to deliver loot bags, so maybe they have like ammo limit or time limit?

@Marcmb Год назад

It does feel a bit similar true, especially since all the cops have the same visual appearance :D As for this ammo/time limit you mention, that is indeed correct yup! They can only shoot for a few seconds non-stop, and then they have to take a long pause to reload (which is indicated by their red laser turning yellow). Very helpful to move out of cover!

@zairuswane Год назад

@@Marcmb oh, then next time I play loud I will check this. Tho I only try stealth

@Marcmb Год назад

@@zairuswane I also only play stealth yup :( I don't have many chances to use this knowledge because turrets don't really show up in stealth, except for this Black Cat run...

@zairuswane Год назад

@@Marcmb *laughs in Election Day plan B, securing loot with a turret in front of the main door, due to both stealth fails hahaha*

@Marcmb Год назад

@@zairuswane Haha I haven't seen that in a while! I used to get it a lot back in the day, while learning Election Day, and it used to be a blessing to have ECMs to convert the turret... but nowadays the heist is too easy!! :D

@KPW Год назад

great vid! if you can share the title of the end screen song please, sounds really dope

@Marcmb Год назад

Thanks KPW, glad you liked this unusual one! The music at the end screen is "Bad Attitude" - it plays during my card selection screen, and I decided to include it this time!

@dyrax999 Год назад

awesome thumbnail! 🍅

@Marcmb Год назад

:D Thanks Dyrax, glad you were able to find the hidden tomato!

@Cucumber_Dragon Год назад

I wonder if you can enter false loud on boarder crossing, since you can use explosives on the tunnel doors before even if you’re in stealth…not sure if it’s patched or not though!

@Marcmb Год назад

Interesting question Siu! On Border Crossing it's a bit different, because the fake loud (which starts on "DAY1") is cancelled as soon as you reach "DAY2"... but there might be some faulty triggers on DAY2 as well, to re-enter the fake loud state!

@Kyro._. Год назад

Nice thumbnail :D

@Marcmb Год назад

Thanks Kyro! I still had that footage from a long time ago, and while thinking about a good thumbnail for this, that's the first thing that came to mind :p

@hegyak Год назад

Remember, No one can report you. If they are all Dead.

@Marcmb Год назад

Haha exactly! One of the rare situations where this actually applies. Because usually the pagers would ruin the plan, but the faulty loud trigger takes care of that very nicely. It's great!

@ArmaRGool 10 месяцев назад

how did you which side of the spa room the vault was?

@Lucas-sv7dp Год назад

Amazing video!!! Btw where are you from, I noticed you have the letter Ñ on your kb...

@Marcmb Год назад

Thank you Lucas, glad you liked it! I am from Spain, some people already know because you can see it on the /about page for my channel :p

@Lucas-sv7dp Год назад

@@Marcmb Un placer!! Buenos videos! Me sirven mucho a la hora de hacer solo runs y cosas asi ya que no tengo muchos amigos que jueguen pd2 en estos tiempos jajajaja. Suerte y aprecio toda la dedicacion que le pones :)

@Marcmb Год назад

@@Lucas-sv7dp Haha muchas gracias! Hoy justamente he subido otra guía centrada en jugar solo, porque realmente es un estilo muy habitual en PAYDAY. Me alegro que te esté gustando el contenido, y aquí estaremos hasta el PAYDAY 3 :D

@dewydewback1376 Год назад

I wonder if a faulty loud objective on First World Bank would let you actually do overdrill stealth?

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey dewy! That is a very interesting thought. This is indeed true as long as you can kill all guards and civilians (which is possible on the heist). However, we would need to find the faulty loud trigger! Hard to think of one, on FWB...

@mediumplayer1 Год назад

Maybe, once I'm back to Payday, I will try this technique on Big Bank, because we often don't have enough time moving all the bags to the bus before the assault when rushing the vault part in duo/trio.

@Marcmb Год назад

Big Bank would be an interesting one! Because even if you can find a faulty loud trigger to enter this "fake loud" state, the never-ending civilian spawns would mean that, as soon as one spawns during the "fake loud" state, he would be able to call the cops, before he even enters the playable area! Unless you camp their spawn points with wall penetration, or explosive damage :p

@fiyahquacker2835 Год назад

If you wanted you could also use a glitch I found with the vault door where first you have to get into the right position in front of the vault before the first drill bag is placed.

@Marcmb Год назад

@@fiyahquacker2835 That sounds interesting! Is it one of those glitches that pushes you into the vault...? That would be very nice, if that's the case!

@fiyahquacker2835 Год назад

@@Marcmb yes it is. The only downside is that you can't get out until the vault is opened from the outside. If you glitch inside it won't allow you to press the button even if you pick up any Loot.

@Marcmb Год назад

@@fiyahquacker2835 Aww that's a shame :( I was hoping it would be possible to press the button, which would be a huge time save. There's still a tiny time save (since you can pre-bag all the loot, and pre-open the deposits...) but it's not a very big time save :(

@nadimthenewt Год назад

i always wonder how you guys manage to find these "not bugs". is it something you'd encounter while going through stealth runs or would you discover these through forums? :o

@mediumplayer1 Год назад

I guess it's just trial and error. And even if this was found on a forum, that means someone had to figure out the same thing himself, which means we've come a full circle.

@nadimthenewt Год назад

@@mediumplayer1 fair enough. it's just always interesting what kinds of things people can find in this game we love that's held together by duct tape and bandages haha, and im always curious if anyone bothered to read through the codes thoroughly for payday, especially for new updates.

@mediumplayer1 Год назад

@@nadimthenewt The Long Guide wouldn't exist or at least wouldn't have been as thorough as it is, if not the leaks that happened a long time ago. If I remember correctly, a lot of information from there was taken from the game's code.

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey Newt! This one in particular was discovered because I accidentally walked through the lasers during an ECM rush (oops) but the game still gave us a choice to continue the heist, without the assault starting as long as we continued placing ECMs. As *@Medium* also mentioned, there is a repository out there with all the source code decompiled, and some people are able to read through it to find cool stuff (for example the author of The Long Guide back in the day), but I don't know enough to understand the source code well :(

@nadimthenewt Год назад

@@mediumplayer1 ah yeah! ive heard about the long guide from one of marc's older videos, i'm not too sure which. but with the bug fixes and whatnot over the years, i was wondering if newer discoveries after 2017 were compiled all in one place just like the long guide. especially for stuff like in this video, where the loud aspect is triggered during stealth.

@jange8782 Год назад

4:36 haha wonder what would happen if you followed instructions at that point 10:40 huh, I didnt knew you can juke turrets

@FrozenPyro Год назад

So long as you dont follow the exact same path, you can dodge a majority of the turret's fire. Favorite method is to walk one way, double back but just jump over the path when we cross.

@Marcmb Год назад

Good question! I think the wire was a leftover objective from right before we went loud, so maybe we would've been given the stealth objective chain, during loud, during stealth! As for the turret kiting, I didn't know it was possible either (I assumed it would hit eventually) but Twits made it look so easy, I just had to try myself as well!

@meto65 Год назад

Does this work on most heists? Or only in certain maps?

@simonsoupshark8009 Год назад

so far only this and the one map he showed in the other video

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey meto! Only certain maps unfortunately: in most cases, if you do any of the loud triggers (lasers, blowing up some walls with C4...), the alarm actually goes off and the assault starts. It's only on some exceptions that this works - two of them showcased so far!

@user-pn8ze2zy6q Год назад

@@Marcmb hey im wondering, can you enter this state on san martin bank as well? it has the same lasers-not-actually-lasers in the vault as black cat ones

@GrandMoai Год назад

can you try golden grin next?

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey GrandMoai! We tried Golden Grin, but unfortunately if you walk through those lasers, even if you have ECMs running, the alarm actually goes off on that heist :(

@Ravioactive09 Год назад

Turret Helicopter: I can't kill you, and you can't kill me! ... I'm going to leave cause I'm bored BUT I WIN THIS TIME. THIS IS MY VICTORY. Ok cya.

@Marcmb Год назад

Best part was the fact that it continued shooting as it retreated :D Like the pilot was giving up, but the turret still wanted to claim victory!

@Qutblitzx Год назад

how did you said "hi" at 8:20 is it a mod?

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey Ajm! That is indeed a mod yup, it's one of the features of PocoHUD. If you're interested, in the description you can find my MODDING VIDEO, with download links, install instructions, etc...

@arkadelik Год назад

do you use any any mods if it's can you share

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey arkadelik! I have a video on the description with all my MODDING stuff (list of mods, download links, install instructions...). Hope this helps!

@killertheinfiltrator Год назад

Breakthrough for ECM rushes?

@Marcmb Год назад

Perhaps yes! In the future this could have some applications in very specific ECM rushes...

@DumbTransFem 8 месяцев назад

what mod is the quickchat?

@Marcmb 8 месяцев назад

That's PocoHUD :)

@CRIS._.420 Год назад

Is golden grin possible?

@Marcmb Год назад

Hey ETB! Unfortunately Golden Grin is set up properly, so that whenever the heist goes loud, the assault is called in immediately :(

@charizard-delta Год назад

functional game™

@Marcmb Год назад

Working as intended! (surely!)

@nuke.florida Год назад

Thats so real

@Marcmb Год назад

Very real! Definitely not a bug :p

@nuke.florida Год назад

@@Marcmb no wayyy

@Marcmb Год назад

@@nuke.florida 100% intended I'm pretty sure yup! :p

@nuke.florida Год назад

@@Marcmb so true, can confirm, totally an overkill dev here trust

@swedishmonke3757 Год назад

I dont know how i did it but you can also do it in the first day of big oil

@Marcmb Год назад

Interesting! Big Oil is a heist that I haven't played in a while, although it's less "useful" on that one, because you can always ECM rush and kill all the gangsters, which sadly has very little difficulty :(

@hertogvandamme Год назад

This is just Bank Heist with extra steps

@Marcmb Год назад

In a way yeah! Although most heists in PAYDAY2 can be simplified to "waiting objective" then "looting objective". This one is mostly waiting (like all loud heists) but it's very unique compared to Bank Heist, because the objectives are so unusual! :D

@hertogvandamme Год назад

@@Marcmb I was just havin a bit of a joke, it looks like a ton of fun to pull off!

@Marcmb Год назад

@@hertogvandamme Ooh haha I see, I see! No worries then :p As a joke it was very good!

@legendsapeks6168 Год назад

penguin is an hour late wth

@Marcmb Год назад

That's fine since I'm 3 days myself! Uh oh!

@legendsapeks6168 Год назад

@@Marcmb 😳🐧

@Marcmb Год назад

@@legendsapeks6168 See you in a few days btw! Hope you're enjoying your break to relax and play other fun games!! :mh 🐧

@legendsapeks6168 Год назад

@@Marcmb break boring but fun cant wait for e8 again 🐧!

@Marcmb Год назад

@@legendsapeks6168 guuut ! 🐧

@_Salok Год назад

"unique gameplay" this is just harvest and trustees with more waiting !

@Marcmb Год назад

In a way yeah! But if you look at it like that, all heists can be simplified into "waiting objective" and "looting objective"! This one is a lot more unique because these stealth objectives don't happen anywhere else :p We have blowing up walls, stealing an entire vault with a winch and helicopter, fighting enemy helicopters...