DF83 - Big Burrs On A Budget 

I actually love the plastic cup from my DF64-so nice to be able to shake and re-shake the grinds in your portafilter with the cup still on top stopping any spills, until they the bed is relatively flat. With the clear cup, you can judge that super easily.

This is pretty much the only channel I can trust for accurate reviews. Cheers!

Welcome back Spro. Looking forward to all the new content in 2023

Great content as always. Thanks. The cable entering from the side could be to avoid cramping it when placed on kitchen countertops. This way the grinder can be pushed closer to the backsplash when space is a premiuim

I just have to comment that your editing is amazing. Always interesting to watch.

Appreciate the content 🤘🏻

Thank you for your special deal on StandArt magazine. I've been waiting to pull the trigger. But just shipping on the first issue? Sold! Thank you. Looking forward to it man!

I think the commercial grade gear is overlooked but longevity and reliability is a good thing. I bought a second hand mazzer sj and I've been using it for over 20 years. With SSP burrs it takes about 10-12 secs to grind 19-20 g. Its built like a tank. I don't think it will ever die.

I can’t wait to see you next week

Thank you my friend.

Mine was delivered today with the stock burrs. I quite like it so far although it took a while to dial in. For some reason. I got an aluminium dose cup rather than a plastic one. My other grinder is a Niche, which I also like (it is basically bomb proof).

Awesome content man. Always enjoy your reviews. I noticed your short of the varia vs3 the other day! Should we expect a review on that soon?

It's a nice grinder, I'm really enjoying it and I hear they are working on a solution for the declumper rather than people taking it out (which for me lead to a lot of grinds spraying).

It’s strange that Turin picked 83mm for this grinder. There seem to be more burrs available at 80mm. Anyone know if it would be possible to fit an 80mm burr carrier in and use this with some Ditting Lab Sweets?

Years ago I upgraded a Mazzer Super Jolly for a Niche Zero because I wanted a more kitchen friendly grinder with a better work flow. I missed the shots I got from the SJ so upgrading again to this from the Niche feels like I'm coming back home. Not sure yet if I'll get SSP burrs but I'm enjoying my DF83. Takes a bit to get used to the work flow but is a solid choice and really feels like how you described, a commercial grinder transformed for the home at a prosumer price

Would you prefer df64 with ssp multi purpose burrs for filter brewing or df83 with stock burrs?

As an owner of a Mignon with 50mm burrs and a Baratza Encore, I tend to struggle with the value and return on investment from looking at bigger burrs. I'm getting good shots of espresso and filter with the basic burr sets, so I'm really looking to folks like yourself to help provide some insight on how it impacts the cup. I'm skeptical that the differences are night and day, but happy to be proven wrong.

Is there any difference in longterm durability between the stock burrs and SSP? Like are the stock burrs good for 1000 lbs and the SSP good for 5000 lbs?

big thanks,what grinder is best of mid range for filter coffee under 900$?

Great video.🙏 You should make a video on the Decent Espresso machine, if you need convincing why, it comes in white 🤣

How does this compare to the P64? Does the possibility of lower RPM bring out something that the larger burrs don't offer? How about quality and workflow wise?

6:12 "Along with that power, comes great responsibility" Is what I was expecting for a second lol

@The Real Sprometheus: Great review again! What would you recommend, the DF64V or the DF83? (I mostly make medium roast espresso's, but also filter (Moccamaster) and Pourover (V60)

I come from a time in coffee when 64mm was big. The mazzer super jolly was regularly crammed into kitchens that simply couldnt support it. These current grinders are amazing and the price points theyre hitting really get me thinking. Youve done a great job here of cutting through the hype. I have an atom 75 and when this grinder was released I was feeling a bit left behind. I think it would be useful to do some back to back burr size taste tests. I know I can taste the conical vs flat difference, but Im curious if the burr size (some how controlled for the cut of the burr) makes any difference in the cup. You allude here that its only saving time, which is interesting.

Your retention tests are interesting to me as with bellows I'm getting on average about 0.3-0.5 retention. Seldom get 0.1g of retention. That's my reasons for returning this grinder and going back to the Niche Zero

My eureka silencio started stalling and many attempts later is now a $700 decoration. I am using the Kinu hand grinder and I am pleased with its performance. That said, I need a motorized grinder and the single dose variety I believe suits my espresso only work flow. I won't be buying eureka again. the DF83 looks like a very valid choice. What I am curious about is a comparison to the niche duo. It also seems like a reasonable choice. It would seem that the niche, without a knocker or other remnant removal feature, would be the only reason to not get it. Doing a comparison of these two would seem a good topic for the next publication. If there are others out there with relevant experience I would love to hear it. Thanks.

Im just getting into espresso completly new but can t descide what Equipment to start with. I want to use diffrent beans through out so single dosing should be right, but can t decide between DF64 or DF83. As of the machine I m still choosing between Rocket R58 or mozzafiato.

Thank you, I no longer regret buying the DF64 shortly before the bigger one came out!

Very interested to know how this will compare to the Lagom P64 for someone who will solely be brewing for filter.

Thanks for the content. I have DF64. At first, it is virtually trouble free. But after using for about two years, it becomes no longer trouble free. I think, time will also tell for DF83 too.

As I look to move up from my old, 2011, K10 Conic Fresh, I am constantly wondering why so many of the flat burr grinders are running at such high RPM. I understood that high-speed burrs are not a good thing. Am I mistaken in that belief?

really nice overview. i was curious about your comment about more fines in the SSP HU -- i thought High Uniformity meant less fines, and more uniform particle size distribution. did you misspeak in the video or did i get it backwards? thanks spro! (or anyone who can set me straight here)

Good review! The newer version I have has a metal dosing cup. Not sure what else is different.

can this grinder be used for a cafe? still new to this scene but wanted to know if it could handle heavy load.

I'm searching for my first motorized grinder for my daily use (currently using a manual one for my espresso), and this is one of my considerations. I have espresso daily, and occasionally have filter coffee during the weekends or if I suddenly get some bit of free time to do it. But I also do cold brew when I feel like it, or when I need to make the most of my older beans. Would this grinder work with cold brew? Thanks!

I want to see a DF83 stock burrs vs DF64 with SSP or other upgraded burrs: which is a better upgrade? Upgrading to a df83 or keep my df64 but upgrade to better burrs than the df64's stock?

May I have a bit more steer on the differences between SOE classic and spirit? Thx

How good would it be with stock burrs against the Fellow Ode with SSP MP for filter coffee? Anyone? I'm really considering it for espresso but I'm still be wondering if the Ode could have a place at home once the DF83 is in.

Welcome back, Spromethius. Sounds like I should keep my DF-64 with SSP unimodal. It seems to be giving me good shots. I /do/ want the Acaia one though.

Looking to move away from my conical Niche to something with flat burrs to enhance the fruity/floral/subtle flavors of my espresso (or at least avoid the "conical" deep/choclatey taste for a change-up). Would the stock burrs fit the bill or would I need to go all the way to the SSP burrs to really notice a difference between this grinder and the Niche?

Can't wait to see what modders do to it. DF grinders kinda remind me of Bethesda games in that the community transforms them into something that transcends their slightly janky, but very promising base form.

Other than the speed, is it fair to say that another advantage vs the 64mm models is the more premium build and fewer required mods compared to the DF64 and the ability to do both brew and espresso compared to the DF64P?

What would you say: this one or the Niche Zero? Currently I’m using a Niche and a J-max, these are very alike.

Interesting. I currently have an Eureka Mignon Specialita that I've used for 2 years and honestly, I've never been truly happy with. I'm having a very hardt ime with consistency in my results. Variable retention, uneven grind particles and overall hard to repeat results. I was considering this one as an upgrade and more versatile product (mainly espresso drinking 80-20 filter). Price is a bit daunting and hearing the DF64 is basically the same but slower certainly surprised me. I couldn't care less about speed in my kitchen for morning coffee, certainly not in seconds. A bit of an odd product then for home users.. other than bragging rights, what's the point ? I'm not being sarcastic or factitious, honest question :) Thanks for another excellent and to the point video.

Im planning to upgrade planning to buy the df83v2 or the df64v, which one do you recommend, i only brew espresso

Would be interesting to see a comparison with the P64. I get that’s apples and oranges but how much difference is there in the cup given the P64 is nearly twice the price

So the only real advantage over a DF64 v4 would be the grinding speed? If that is the case, I don’t know if it is worth the extra $300 to save 6-10 seconds in grinding time. I’ve been contemplating between the DF64 and DF83 for an all around grinder. Thanks for this review!

Nice short review, I think they really are getting more and more things right, the cord is just a low cost easy implementation to make sure you can tock the grinder back next to the wall, retractable would obviously been better but well I seen worse on more expensive grinders. I don’t know exactly how I feel about that wave spring it’s another cheap easy solution, I really wished they looked at Option-o solutions much more elegant that would not be that expensive to implement. Also the aftermarket grind setting indicator is a bit half baked truth be told and the design of the grind setting dos look a bit cheap and lousy. I’m also never gonna fall in love with bellows. I do think low price that it’s finally a powder coated all metal body make it look far better and 83mm burrs in that price is attractive especially as SSP are working on a new Cast set and more will definitely come.

I really like my DF64 with SSP HU burrs after owning a Mignon Specialita with single dosing mods. The DF83 seems like a bigger and better option, but $350 for the SSP upgrade is gut wrenching. I wonder how the stock 83 mm burrs compare the the 64mm HU in mine.

Are bigger burrs better, next edition - p100 vs p64 MPs.

If price was not a factor, how does this and the DF64 compare to the grinders from Legom? I know you have the P64 but which would you choose in 2023? Thank you!

Great review. Grinder is not for me for reasons demonstrated in the video.

Nice grinder, but I'm happy I got a Niche right away.

I compared the DF64P with SSP HU and the DF83 with stock burrs, both dialed in to 18:36g ratio at ~27 seconds on my usual local light-medium roast blend. At first I thought the 64 HU definitely had greater clarity, but after using them for a few weeks, I found the 83 stock to have a more complex flavor in the cup. 64 HU might have had very slightly more brightness, but the complex flavors weren't there. This is all pretty subtle, as I found them to be quite similar. I'm looking forward to the SSP lab sweet that's being released, supposedly in March, which is more of a multipurpose burr set, and will hopefully bring a bit more clarity. Selling the 64P despite loving how easy it is to dial in on it, as I do find that I prefer the bigger burr flavor. I've also found it interesting that I sometimes enjoy the flavor more in the 83 when it's not extracted for too long...for instance, I was using a Honduran with some delicate flavor notes, and they were great when I had 45g within 18 seconds, but when closer to 1:2 at 25-30 seconds it became more bitter and the notes were hidden. Weird.

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I wanted to buy a flat burr grinder to complement my Niche. Good timing! Now I need to think if I want a fellow or DF83

My concerns from this vid are that it js finicky with excess fines ,(HU burrs), and that the83 isn't improved in cup quality over the 64.

I've found with both my Sette 270 and DF64 when brewing for filter, that I tend to go _finer_ instead of coarser. Reduces the amount of fines and although the start is slower, the flow is more consistent through the brew which doesn't clog as much. Finer grinding also sometimes means less coffee used (1-3g), which is a plus (keyword: sometimes).

Another great review! In your opinion, DF83 or Niche Zero? I’m mainly an espresso and latte drinker. I have never purchased a grinder before but find myself needing to purchase one in the very near future as my wife got me a Linea Mini for my birthday. Here in Australia DF83 retails for about $1200AUD and the Niche is just over $1700AUD. Any thoughts, insights, or opinions on this would be very much appreciated 🙏🏾 9:55

Great video, but I disagree on the point of "a commercial grinder at a prosumer price". For commercial usage duty cycle and lifetime are critical. If a grinder can't do more than 1lb back to back or can't grind for more than 30 shots per hour, or has a life time of less than 5,000 pounds, it won't matter on the quality or speed of grinding. Is there any duty or lifetime ratings for this?

I went back to your Espresso Anatomy video from 2 years back where you concluded that conical burrs promote the fruitier, brighter flavors. I’m curious as lately the scene is now saying that conical burrs are suited for med-dark roast coffees, as the extra particle fines help keep the puck adhered. There’s obviously some jumps in logic here but generally the vibe seems to be a high quality flat burr will bring more clarity to the cup and will do more justice for lighter roasts - which going back to your video those are the roasts you want bright and fruity in cup and you tapped conical to do that. My conclusion atm is flat burrs are great simply for their ability to be swapped for different profiles, and provided your grinder has the power overhead (like the DF83) that provides you another lever to pull to adjust flavor. To that end, the relationship between burr profile and flavor is still not well understood and is an emerging topic.

In these days of 30-40 min RU-vid coffee grinder review videos, your videos are gold. Thank you for not tapping and singing during the videos. You know who I am talking about.

Those grinds almost look lump free…Can you eliminate WDT with this grinder?

I got a very hefty discount on mine. For $350 I think this is a difficult grinder to beat... Even at it's full retail price it's a solid performer. I'll eventually upgrade to SSP burrs as this is only a secondary grinder to play with.

Is it less messy than the DF 64????

i thought this was a dabbing device 🤣

Not a fan of DF grinders. I’m sure they work for many people, and if you enjoy it if you’ve got one, that’s a win. Just not my jam. Using the Sette 270 for conical and Ceado E37s for flats

I'm almost positive I would sell my Niche to purchase the DF83, but the process of putting it up for sale or looking for a buyer is enough for me to go 'nah, this is good enough', haha

feel like a lot of coffee reviewers recently have been nitpicking on having to use bellows? Like, I literally don't care at all - looks fine, works, takes .1% more effort and time.

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You kinda lost me when you called this a commercial grinder.