Did Honda Destroy The 2017 Civic Si? 

3:55 did subaruwrxfan just teleport into the video?

To everyone who is interested in this car, GO TEST DRIVE IT! It may not have VTEC but man is it fun. It’s a very well built car and it feels awesome. Also, the sound does not come through in this video. It sounds great in person. The shifter is one of the best on the market! It’s a great value. For EPS, the steering is very good. I don’t think all this bashing on the car is ok. If you read Car and Driver’s in-depth review, they were very pleased with it. For the price, it’s an amazing car. If you price a GTI to a comparable level, it’ll be much more expensive and it still isn’t as fun to drive. I appreciate Sofyan offering a balanced review, but the engine isn’t as bad as everyone says it is! I really enjoyed driving it!

I don't know of anyone who complained about only having a 6MT

I had 4 SI, models,build em all,,, have the new one for a few months , its the best one they ever made stock, power and trq, is better, and handles better then any previous models hands down, why people complain is because they dont know the facts , this car has variable cam timming control, with a turbo thats all you needs, get over vtec, its a old design from the late 80s, lol,, for the money this is car is great all around , all i did was hondadata tune and the car make 250 hp and trq, more trq then the 2.4 k could ever dream, every year you yall say the old gen is better,, lol, pull your heads out of your asses, please, honda sets you up cheap so you can tune it the way you want, and with this one all you have to do is a clutch and tune and turn up the boosts and the car will run 13s, and still be around 26 grand, and avg 31 in normal mode,, what the hell else do you people want !!?? vtec?? please ,

Honda needs to bring out an Accord Type R, as a dad I would definitely consider one and wouldn't worry about paying 40k on a Accord with around 400hp:) I know I can dream but hey, they did bring the Civic Type R to the USA.

3 pedals for the Si. ALWAYS.

It's a commuter car with a bit more pep, no need to have a bigger engine in, not worth the additional cost. I own this car and disagree with everyone of the complaints. Also, I find the sound good, I wouldn't want to daily anything louder. And yeah, the 9th gen has 205hp, but look and the torque curves. Canada gets nav and LED headlights stock

I have been a Toyota guy for the last 20 years, and the 2018 Civic Si is the first Honda I have ever owned, so this not coming from a "Honda Fan Boy". I really put in a lot of research on this car, and out of the almost hundreds of reviews on this car, this review was way, way off from all the other reviewers. Sure, there were complaints about the Infotainment system, lack of volume button, and the faux vents on the front and back, but almost no complaints about power, acceleration etc. I have owned this car one month now, and 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds is pretty awesome for a car with such a small engine! I have done two trips between the Northern California Bay area and SoCal, and if anyone has ever driven on hwy 152 and the Grapevine on hwy 5, you know that if you can do 90 mph plus on those steep inclines with little effort...with temps around 104 degrees F, you have a car with good power. I'm not saying it's the fastest car on the road, but it easily keeps up with cars with engines twice its size and power. I mean, you made it sound like this car has to strain to go fast...that's not my experience owning this car. Maybe you should stop trying to compare it with those brainless Dodge Chargers that can barely handle a slight curve OK, so what I dislike about this car: Infotainment center Lack of buttons for radio, volume and AC/heater fan controls Android Auto disconnects randomly Metal shifter ball (gets hot, and I mean hot on a hot day) Shifter makes a notchy sound when shifting into second gear

I like how the car is quiet. It sounds great even without an intake

The engine is "bad", a "disappointment"? Compared to what? How can you evaluate the engine compared to a theorhetic engine you *wished* they'd developed and included. Is the engine better than competing Focus ST? Fiesta ST? Golf or GTI? Elantra? Those would be valid comparisons and against those, the sound and performance of this new Honda motor is at or above the best of the rest. Clearly you had a "dream" for an Si and because Honda didn't build *your* dream car, you downgrade it. Just evalulate the car they built, not the car you wish for (which doesn't actually exist).

Thanks a lot for the video! This is exactly what I was looking for.

Great follow up review. The best 10th gen Si review so far from you.

that rev hang doe

The Si in Canada comes with the same LED head lights as the type R and navigation. All standard. I don't know why the American version does not. Also we have the option of leather seats.

Love your honest reviews. Keep up the great work

Thx for your feedback. You are definitely one of my favorite critics. I have had my Si since 12/2017. My ONLY potential gripe is straightline power. This car is not a drag racer, but consider I have personally witnessed over 40 mpg, but mostly I get around 34 mpg no matter how I drive. Pit this car against an 88 Gt Mustang and this car will win. This tiny 1.5T is a mighty little engine. I will be upgrading my clutch and exhaust soon to take more advantage of what is there.

at 3:55 I thought VTEC kicked in, but its was only your voice.

I'd rather have the power low and mid range than top end.....how much time do you spend at 130mph??? You wont be driving long if you do!!! VTech is way over rated!!!! 1.5 T is a MUCH better combo of performance AND mpg, I see 40mpg with my 18 SI. Amazed that this driver says the 1.5 is a dissapointment!

You Need to drive a 9th gen again, it does NOT pull as hard as the 10th gen 1.5

Wow! I could not disagree more with your analysis of the new SI. The old version was very much a niche vehicle and the 2017 forward is better in virtually every arena. At handles much better, has much more usable Midrange torque, is more comfortable, more spacious, gets better gas mileage and is much more refined and poised. If you're 16 years old and want a little naturally aspirated go-kart that only performs marginally well when you're gunning it, that's fine. I don't. The new SI handles better than most near luxury sports sedans costing twice as much and I have owned BMWs. Just my two cents. Thanks for the video!

whats an Si without vtec?!

Keep...Moving...Forward...

Hey Sofyan...I gotta give you mad props for being real talk in this review.

Sofyan, after watching your previous Si review, I was under the impression that you enjoyed the Si, even though it wasn't the traditional V-tec. Between the 2017 Si and 2017 Elantra Sport, which would you choose?

Sofyan, how does this compare to the Toyota 86?

I understand there is a mourning period for the death of high reving, low torque Honda engines of yore but can we just end it now please and get on with life. As a life long Honda fan boy I look forward to more small displacement turbo engines with torque. Honda is going in the right direction. You get great performance and 40mpg. Nothing to complain about except a too quiet exhaust. Also, people like to justify the Civic Sport as somehow a detuned Si. It is not. The often overlooked bits the Si offers for only a little more money is a great value. Better internals (pistons, rings, sodium filled valves) larger turbo, LSD, adjustable dampers, Type R suspension bits, nicer seats, better shifting transmission, larger stabilizer bars, lower suspension, bigger brakes......as far as 9th gen Civic Si, I owned a 2015. This chassis is light years ahead of the of the 9th gen platform. This alone is enough to abandon the 9th gen for a 10th. As great as the K24 is, the new 1.5T is progress.

Most reviews are saying it’s now a better car and I agree.Get over the Vtec already.

At $23,000 The 2017 Honda Civic Si doesn’t take “Sport Injected” to mean “fun injected” like they did with VTEC in the 5th-9th gen; Si now means more performance with Turbocharged Engine Torque ala Volkswagon Jetta GLi.

Who needs a navigation with Android Auto / Car Play? If anything, I DON'T want factory Navi because they always suck

It's not a bad car, it's the cheapest car you can get with adaptive dampers. I just hope that 1.5 holds up.

Impressive video reiteration! Dang you know a lot about cars. Period, and it shows.

when you were comparing this vs the 9th gen, were you specifically referencing pre 2014? i believe 2014+2015 had revised suspension

I would buy this. Daily driver that's comfortable decent fun not too much power but enough to have a little bit of fun.

The engine is a disappointment? I’m sorry but consumers looking to spend 24k on a Civic just aren’t looking for the noise of the k24 anymore. This car is meant for people who want a daily but also want to have fun once in a while and enthusiasts are going to go for the Type R anyway. The 10th gen produces the same amount of power without having to get all the way to 7500 rpm to do it and with 1L less displacement for fuel efficiency. Every Honda competitor is switching their lineup to I4 turbo engines to get power and fuel efficiency and Honda is just going with the times. If you want a k24, buy a 9th gen. If you want a modern car with modern features and a modern engine, buy the 10th gen.

Wow you talk and drive at the same time so well.

I'm from Canada and my civic SI has just the same headlights as the type R, got Navigation and those famous turbo stickers you're talking about.... Do you get a underequipt car?

I think most people say its actually the best si ever made.

Honda engines have no low end torque...now they do...now people complain honda does not have high end peak power at 19000rpm

Can you get the SI in authomatic transmission because it seems like you can only get it in manual?

do you enjoy your ND or civic si more in terms of ride quality and transmission/shifts ?

So it's fun, get hondata and have more fun lol. I really want to get this car as a coupe . I own a 97 CL 3.0 so I think it would be nice. Thoughts?

Still don't know why people are complaining about this car it is faster than the last one there is even a video on RU-vid were the regular 1.5t civic its beating an SI supposedly both stock

Were you driving on VA-7? The roads looked familiar

What Gen SI would you recommend that had vtec and best performance overall or would you Go Hondata

This is the power the regular Civic should have.

Solution: Hondata

When the new accord with the untuned civic type r engine will you please do a review

How do you think the si compares to a focus ST?

I gotta say, you are completely wrong about this car. It's the fastest Si ever built, and the most fun to drive. It's stomping all the competition in National Autocross events. It is extremely tuneable and stomps previous gen Si's that have been turbo'd / supercharged with only some bolt ons and a tune. Your bias is showing, big time.

Hey, greetings from New Jersey!

Is there an Si hatchback or a Civic Sport Touring in a manual??? I'm hoping for a higher trim hatchback in a manual!

vtec high rev engine was a main reason to consider the civic Si

I hope one day you can review my 1990 civic

Honda needed to keep their reliable 2.4l.

I hope you review the GTI Mk7.5 (and Golf R for comparison)

The 9th gen Honda Civic SI, in my opinion, was the best Civic SI ever made with that K24 VTEC 4-cylinder, and it had so much character to it. VTEC is what made the SI so fun to drive and experience, and that K24 motor, which is the same one in an Acura TSX, just sounded glorious.

Short answer:yes

What do you think of Honda killing off their V6 offerings?

I can hear the Rev Hang issue when you shift....

I watched your 9th Gen civic review and I like the way this engine seems compared to the other one.

8th gen best Si. I loved my fg2.

Just wait another 150k miles till the engine gets very very very very loud.

I have a 2017 Touring in the White Pearl color, was gonna get this but once I saw the back I just couldn't do it, glad I went with the Touring such a brilliant car.

So it has turbo lag, no vtec and only has 5 more hp than the last si...where do i sign?

Honda should put the option Si onto the Hatchback, they will sell much more Si in the hatch than the coupe !

Honda should have provided Si Hatchback!, imho ...

Would like to see you do a review with the 10th gen that has a flashpro or ktuner upgrade

I need to get into my local Honda dealer and test drive one, at first I thought it would be disappointing but Im starting to like it. Wish it had Vtec, but I love my LX 6-speed!

The funny thing is that if you really want to hear this particular L15 engine howl, you can do so in a used Fit, which has next to no sound deadening a non-turbo, dumbed-down version of the motor. Also I like how the upcoming Accord takes the type r's motor and detunes it (and it's still available in a 6mt!!!). IMO the SI should've done the same. Would have loved to see a good old K20 with a turbo, even if they detuned it further to something like 225 hp. I just really like the characteristics of the K engine over the L. I'm even tempted by the base Civic LX with a manual, just so I could get a new civic with a K-series motor. Sorry for the word-vomit comment :P

These civics are getting bigger and bigger, might as well be a cadillac.

I 100% agree with you! The engine is pretty much the only thing that was disappointing. It's too quiet and wish it had the vtec changeover. I loved my 8th gen SI because of the sky high redline and the vtec. As always, love your reviews.

12:08 is the best part! Loved you getting worked up over the ADM. I agree it's effing ridiculous ppl pay that and dealerships charge it! Type R at MSRP ftw!

I think thr new Si is a step in a new direction for Honda, people don't like change. The old high revving Si models were fun but this new line of Honda engines is about driver fun, great torque throughout the rev range for more punch, and efficiency. All in a sporty, affordable package.

Can't wait for that all new s2000 with a 1.5l turbo.

Didn't know more people were going towards buying 4-door Civics! I still love the 2-doors even though the doors are heavier and more cumbersome.

Does it have the auto rev match? choice ?

It should have at least 250hp

Love your vids but please don't start with clickbait titles man.

can you review the SI with the HFP package

With your review, I wonder if the 2018 Mazda 3 would be a under the radar contender. They just changed pricing so the SI price, you can get a 3 hatch with the 2.5 and manual. Comparison?

Another civic review yay!

A civic si should be naturally aspirated with vtec

I don't mind the engine that much. The reason I don't like it over a 9th gen is bc of the styling. It's close, but they need to chill w the fake vents around the whole car.

Stock boost is already at 20psi, wonder how much is really left on the table without needing a bigger turbo.

I'd take an 8th gen over this any day of the week.

Civic Si or Civic type R . . . Which is better at it's price.

hey sofyan, when are you reviewing the all new accord? that car looks interesting, but in the bad way, I will need your deep review, as far as I know, no more coupe and/or V6...

Get a duel cat back exhaust! Makes it so loud, that people on the street cover their ears and if police come around your car, you get a ticket for too much noise and they make you fix it! So just don't get caught!

Hondata to the rescue

For the money the Si is really hard to beat. And if they give deals because of slow sales, it'll even be more of a bargain. Vtec is old, not economical and the midrange is whats widely used more so than the topend anyway. Definitely quicker than my 9th gen but lacking in sound which gives you somewhat false sense of speed (slow.) I just wish it was available in hatchback. The sport hatchback looks more sportier than the Si, odd.

03:55 - are you compensating for the quiet engine?

how bad is the rev hang?

Did Honda Kill The 2017 Civic Si? I don't know because you didn't answer the question to the title of your own video.

IMO YES!! I 💙 my 8th Gen!!

I hope you can one day review my pos 88’ metro geo sir

The SI should have come with the ILX motor. Would have been a home run.

The problem is that the best strengths of the 2017 Si are strengths of the 10th gen Civic, not the Si. The Si is the worst trim of the best Civic yet. Best interior. Best chassis. Best refinement. .....but no HondaSensing, less features than Touring trim, cheap cloth fabric interior trims. The "Sport" button with adaptive dampers are just a gimmick as 90% of owners would just end up using Sport mode all the time. I could live without VTEC if there was more raw power to enjoy, but they just got lazy and said "we added more torque, that's all you complained about". VTEC was what made the meager 200hp more exciting than it was on paper. All they did was take the great 10th gen Civic and applied a basic checklist from the previous Si instead of actually pushing the bar. And wanting to not steal light from the TypeR is stupid. The WRX is the best example of having strong, non-neutered examples of both would do nothing but build excitement for the brand. Sigh Honda........

No Honda is worth markups.

They should've put a k20 and slamed a turbo on it so it could compete with the ST. The 8th gen si was great just because of the smooth and powerful K20

so sofyan in your opinion, which car is better and more fun to drive.... the Si or the mazda3 with the 2.5 engine manuel???