Disc Golf NEEDS More Rivalries - Grip Locked #7 

Simon isn't throwing forehand right now and Eagle has top distance forehand. That makes a difference

I am surprised you haven't mentioned Ezra Aderhold pulling into the top 10. This is basically his first touring year just won the clash of canyons shooting a 1092 rated round and then coming in dglo finishing top 10.

I see you flexing with that new mug!

Can’t help but notice how much Hunter cuts off Trevor in mid-sentence. Let the poor guy finish his thought. He’s got some good things to say.

This is exactly what I've been saying since I got into the sport 1 year ago. Being a baseball player my whole life and feeding off of trash talk when I'm on the mound, this is exactly what is needed!!!! Some people feed off of it and others shrivel. I gotchu on a personality. Just give me some time to work on my game, and lookout for Dom Espo

Be cool to see a podcast talking with Paul and Discraft about the designing and process of developing discs.

Can you imagine how good the players will be in 10 years (assuming the sport continues to gain popularity). More players means stiffer competition. We haven’t even begun to see what some naturally gifted freaks are gonna be able to do once the sport takes off. Imagine 6’7” dudes that can rip a 750’ line 8 times out of 10, while releasing the disc at 90+ mph. There’s gotta be some crazy genetics out there that’s gonna take this whole game to a new level.

So funny watching Hunter trying to find a way to make Trevor pick the close game instead of runaway. Trevor’s like dude, I want a runaway, what do you want from me?

I 100% agree with Consolidating the tours into one. It’s very confusing and probably will help with sponsors.. YES. We definitely need a tour sponsor. “The pro tour present by .....” more money into the sport equals better players. We also need to consolidate all the RU-vid coverage pages into one...

I think disc golf needs to look back at the times before the NBA and NFL were what they were. They both came from 2 separate leagues coming together. This would def be the case if the two tours came together. I love your ideas and would love to see this sport grow.

Also, anytime there's a free way to watch a tournament with a recognizable name, I'll watch it. Anyone who expected your coverage of the Battle for Bedford to be crisp and flawless is silly. Your coverage was exactly what I expected for a first time coverage, and I enjoyed every minute of watching it. Thanks for the coverage of the sport, and for all y'all do!

I didn’t like the finish at the preserve either, from a completely different perspective, I didn’t like it because Simons disc got slapped down by the wind

Having to qualify to play on the Pro Tour is an interesting idea, but there needs to be more than just the top 100 placing. Some of the most interesting stories at events are the underdog local who is able to make it into the top 10 and be competing for a top spot. Additionally, you can change the payout model without cutting making people qualify for the tour. It might be good to have a qualifier tournament the weekend before the event, or the day before the event, and the top players who qualify could get into the event, if there was going to be a list of qualified players.

Paige's Biggest Competition is the European's who can't come over this summer sadly. Next summer when Spectators are hopefully allowed it's going to be crazy.. disc golf has grown so much this year and the game is going to change. Paul/Ricky Paige/Cat will continue but I feel with some new players rising lately we will get some new good battles forming!!

I feel like the "growing the sport" conversation is an entire episode in and of itself.

You guys get to see a much different side of Paul compared to the world, with him being a business partner and friend. To me, he's the guy who skipped 2019 Idlewild, a Pro Tour Tournament he won the previous year, to do PR at Am Worlds; and while at Idlewild a team full of Discraft Players had to man a booth selling nothing but McBeth Signature discs. He had a good rivalry with Will Schusterick when Will went to Prodigy, and then with Ricky for a few years, but he's also the one who is most likely to talk trash in your friendly matches or in DMs to other Pros, and could easily be the LeBron that you either love or hate.

More rivalries, maybe even a little more drama 😅

Battle for Bedford was awesome! Keep them coming!

Great topics and discussion. I normally don't make it through an hour or disc golf discussion on any channel.

Is the bottom right disc a sting?? I have it’s twin signed by Paul and Brodie! and a yellow one with a rainbow stamp to match! Sting is so straight and I’m practicing form on my backhand

What's that pink 4 point disc, and where can I get one!?

I watched quite a bit of pro Squash and a bit of Tennis before getting into the pro side of disc golf, so I'm used to sports with very few real rivalries, and I figured out a way to make any match entertaining and exciting to me and I've adapted it to disc golf. When I'm watching coverage, whether it's live or post-produced, I look at the card and choose 1 or 2 players to cheer for, and 1 or 2 players to cheer against. I don't really have anything against (m)any players, but it's fun to have favourites and... non-favourites(?) even if they're artificial. For example, I cheered against Conrad for DGLO, not because I hate the guy, but because it's just as fun to have someone to cheer against as cheering for someone. It was just as fun for me to watch Eagle or Jones drain a putt from way out as it was to watch Conrad miss a 20' putt because of who I chose for that round. My point is that rivalries aren't necessary; you can, as a viewer, create your own dynamics even match by match.

It is ridiculous that payout for a major win (or even top 5 finish) is such a low percentage of the event purse.

Guys as much as I often disagree with your takes I really enjoy this podcast. Keep up the good work.

Cant stop looking at Trevors baby coffee cup and Hunters Huge coffee cup, someone over compensating? LMAO

I got into discgolf, after seeing Paul and Ricky battle it out in the finals of the worlds last year. I am a fan of Ricky now (he was the underdog in that tournament that he lost by 1 stroke) and I want him to get one above Paul every time going forward. Saying that, I love watching Paul's game and have a lot of respect for the consistency he brings in every game. Seeing Calvin, Kevin, Eagle along with Paul and Ricky is just making it more interesting. What's better than Paul and Ricky battling it out is all 5 of them battling out. We need consistent players at that caliber going at each others throats each week. We saw that DGLO and I hope we get that more going forward.

Kevin Jones was 71 percent in the first two days! The man is insane, I can’t even fathom that

What do you think about the commentary on DGN live coverage?

Do you guys know if the players have an issue with the payouts? How do the players use their leverage to make these changes?

Too lazy to look up the specific podcast but I just got an MVP Precision basket and I definitely think they should become the standard for the National Tour. (If the discussion is still how to make courses more challenging) Based on my brief experience, it requires a bit more precision but it’s definitely fair.

It was a very exciting tournament to watch.

You all should be proud of what you did at the tournament!

Great podcast! Yall need to paint y'alls logo (Foundation logo or podcast logo) in gold on the back wall. It would look great against the black and more official than the current rack of discs. Enjoy the content as always!

Some people watch sports for the skill and athleticism and not the reality tv show drama. People don’t watch the NBA and NFL for drama, there is some, but people watch it because they like the sport. I don’t think there’s any place for manufactured drama here, if a player is good and also has an attitude then that’s one thing.

I agree. You HAVE to incentivize the best of the best to come out. To me, if I was good enough - which I am not, I would never leave the comfort of my job for the potential to maybe win $3,000 at a tournament. Just not happening.

Obviously close games are more fun to watch for people who don’t care who wins, if you are a fan of a player/team then you want them to dominate. This is pretty standard across all sports, yes some people want all games to be close but that’s not most. You want domination because it validates that the your favorite is the best.

We need one or 2 bad players so that rivalries grow the sport but also just need one or 2 so that outside communities won’t view us as bad people

Hey putting is hard.

What if a plyer goes from 940 rated to over a thousand rated within a year? Isn't that a great story line?

I'm not a fan of these 4 teams but Michigan vs Ohio state is def up there with NC vs Duke imo

I feel like ratings is like batting average in baseball. It is an average of your history. A .250 player may go 3 for 4 one night and then 0 for 5 the next. It matters for their history.

When you try and avoid hate/drama in life and these guys try to bring it to the one thing that doesn't have it 🙄

You shouldn't create rivalries, you need to find them. It doesn't work so well either when you cant guarantee they will be on the same card in the tournament. Find the story, don't create it. Reality TV didn't learn that lesson.

Thanks for another good show! I have to say you No Rating Zone idea has helped me realize the PDGA rating system is amazing, the best possible system to rate over 100,000 players on thousands of unique courses. If you spend a moment try and consider how you could do better you will realize this is actually an astounding system! Thanks again, 🔴⚪️🥏😷🙏🏻🙏🙏🏾🙏🏽

Practice, practice and more practice!

Re: the usefulness of C1x putting as a statistic - would average putts per hole be at least as useful? If somebody is getting 1 putt per hole for a round, they're putting the lights out (or getting a lot of drop ins - often equally good). But if you're seeing somebody average 1.7 or more putts per hole regardless of distance, it's probably not indicative of a good round. Eh?

Disc golf needs more personality. I feel like some of the coverage has started focusing on “after the shot” video of the players reactions and how they are interacting with their card mates. Also Kevin was mic’d up for most rounds, which will provide more insight

Disc Golf is a family

I love watching my favorite teams/players dominate, but as a neutral party give me the down to the wire finishes EVERY time.

as a WVU fan I would definitely enjoy WVU winning by 3000 in any sport but as a college bball fan id rather it be a close game, on your seat, having a "heart attack" kind of game. lol same with disc golf. I loved DGLO and i actually watched it live. I dont necessairly have a single favorite player, I have a few, but even if they dont win im okay because there are alot of great dudes who play the game.

How do you talk about Simon/eagle and not discuss Simon having no forehand. You don’t think completely removing having a forehand when Simon is a fairly strong forehand player especially on a course with several forehand shots it would affect his score...

If a 980 player wins a tournament against a dozen 1020 and higher rated players, isn't that a great story line?

Its crazy how good you have to play to win a big tournament its insane!

Part of the current issue with rivalries is that the players all kinda stay together and hang out together and are friends. I think its harder for friends to make rivalries, esp when the biggest commentators in the sport are players on tour and friends with most of the other pros. It's definitely hard to manufacture rivalries in that way.

Story lines are created by interviews. Its up to media to ask the tough questions

Speculative reasons why women have a relatively harder time putting than men: 1) Physical strength - It takes relatively less effort for men to putt a disc 30' than it does for a woman. The more effort you have to put into it, the harder it is to be precise. That alone leads to more errors over time. This difference is exacerbated any time you have an awkward stance where you can't use your normal weight shift to generate forward momentum. 2) Physical body dimensions - The longer limb length of males relative to females gives them an inherent advantage. Not only is the disc that much closer to the basket for your average male when extending on release, decreasing margin for error even on putts of technically the same length, but the effective putting "window" from any given obstructed lie is that much bigger as well. A 6' male can straddle out further right or left than a 5' female to get around an object, and has another foot in height to work with as well. A tall person can always bend down, but a short person can't bend up. 3) Elevated baskets - The shorter you are, the smaller your vertical window to hit from any given lie on an elevated basket. Pro courses feature a decent amount of elevated baskets nowadays to up the challenge factor. Give two equally skilled putters 100 putts at the same distance, but give one of them a smaller window to make the putt, and you can bet the other guy is going to make more putts.

McBeth vs Schusterick could have been incredible for a couple years.

Dynasties are good for sports. Across the board.

You know what it doesn’t need? Less scoring, no jump putting or no ratings.. seriously people just suck.

I like friendly disc golf rivalries, how about a DG podcast rivalry?

KJUSA seemed to put them on the edge so he could jump put. Valid strategy in my opinion.

I would vote I just don’t know who to vote for that is going to push to make the right adjustments that you guys have been talking about. Y’all should tell me who to vote for XD

C1X Putting stats should count birdie tap ins to show how good the player really is

Rating would mean something more if all the courses were better rated par wise. If the tournament class courses made it so a 1000 rated round was par, the ratings would tell us more how they may do on the course, but the SSA is all over the place from course to course.

Part of the reason Simon didn't do as well as eagle, in my opinion is that Simon isn't really throwing forehands. And that is a strength for eagle.

Yankees Red Sox, Celtics Lakers, packers Vikings or packers bears, Ali Frazier. UNC Duke is a good rivalry but you can’t say it’s clearly number one in all sports

Simon also does not have a forehand at the moment

Rivalries are fun but kind of toxic and goes against the heart of the sport

Player ratings create story lines.

This is very weird. today I randomly thought about "the best disc golf rivalry" and could only think of Paul/Rick, Paige/Cat, Climo/Schultz

The main reason I like disc golf is because all that dumb drama isn't there. Legit intentional Trash talking is ridiculous, unprofessional and should never be allowed in any sport... But if people are having fun doing friendly pokes and jabs at each other, or even just someone honestly saying I don't like this guy and I'm going to beat him today at this event. That would be fun. Preference towards people having rivalries where they like each other but just HAVE to bea the other one for bragging rights. :)

Sometimes a blow out win is awesome. Seeing someone just firing on all cylinders is just a joy to watch. But to watch the same person cream the field over and over, that's not exciting. Close finish usually, but a blow out win here and there is fine. Don't know why there was such a long debate on it.

Drew was throwing shade to Nikko on ig, 2 cocky hot heads...

My guy said unc Duke was the biggest rivalry in sports. Man they don't call it THE game for nothing

Is there any room for the different disc manufacturers to start acting like formula racing or even having them pick 4 innova players and for DD or discraft and create "team standings" that track. It would be one more storyline. Also baseball does stats and commentating using stats really well. We need more "he is avging 90% circle 1x puts this season but he is only shooting 78% this tournament that's 3 strokes...." And lastly they need to start digging up last year's shots for some of the guys on some of these holes if they threw an amazing or OB last year would fill dgpt coverage time and be interesting. Another suggestion has been made to me is placing like 90 degree shield on the baskets to force certain approaches otherwise you are out of position on your putt.

Throw out the C1x and C2 stats with the ratings! They make no sense. Paige's length might get her to C1 edge when everyone else is barely getting to C2. So then she misses a 32 footer and the player in C2 floats one past to 12 ft and has an easy C1x putt. Make it simple. Decide on the size of the green. Then talk about GIR's, proximity to the hole and avg putt lengths made.

Live, I’m with Hunter, keep it close. post, it’s all good.

Get Nikko on for a interview would be great

There is no difference between 10 under and 15 under, if you care about playing close to par that’s one thing, this is just nitpicking.

I get the feeling Hunter isn’t a “fan” of disc golf. He is only a fan of certain players. I’m with Trevor, I will watch any disc golf, no matter the scores. You can’t say Paul’s 18 down wasn’t as cool as a tight battle

Simon had no forehand. He had to throw turnover shots.

what happened to Zach?

Instant block due to hunter thomas :D

If u think duke and unc have the best rivalry in sports then u have never heard of Manchester United and Manchester city. Or Real Madrid and Barcelona. Fan base is much larger and have much larger audiences

I totally agree with you guys that disc golf needs to get harder. But I do agree with what Trevor is saying, I think this tournament showed that on a tough course when guys are just playing out of their minds, -10 is a good score. I think it really depends on the course but it opened my eyes that you aren't needing the courses to be impossible to enjoy a good round of golf. I want to see people struggle and I want to see the elite players thrive on some difficult courses and I would be okay with them scoring like in this tournament.

Red Sox, Yankees is the best rivalry easy.

No, wrong choice

Nikko Locastro's behavior is unacceptable, screamning all the time and overall doing to much when HE misses, taking way too long time something that should be called many times if you ask me but the worst thing is dropping f-bombs when kids are watching irl and live/post productions. Disc golf will never grow more into the mainstream if people like him will be the faces of the sport and to imply more people like him would be a good thing is insane... When he's on a card I almost doesn't want to watch it because I know he will piss me off. With that said I'm glad he won The Preserve because I respect the grind and he have somewhat of a unique style for a pro.

It's a shame you have to play that "game" to grow the sport.

Yes there needs to be more rivalries and YES there's too much "nice-ness". I wanna see some heart and passion. Not this "oh well I missed the winning putt, but atleast im enjoying the outdoors" bullshit. Where's the Jordan mentality in disc golf? It doesn't really exist outside of Paul McBeth.

Hunter dude I know you’re lying. You’re super biased to wanting to grow disc golf because you’re the most passionate about it. So yes a close game will always be better for a sport to grow. (ESPN college football classics.) But, if you’re a real fan of any sports team around the world. Basketball, American football, football, anything. You want to see your team destroy and demantle your rival or any other team. And by 30 is way better than by the skin of your teeth. In disc golf, as it grows, players will gain real followings and people that viscously support them and only them. I live for the day that people have real insults in calling someone bandwagon for being a Paul Mcbeth or Simon Lizzotte fan.

The poor stats you just brought up from the fpo is why it's so boring to watch.

This whole pod was pretty trash. Golfers trash talking will bring in 0 new people. What an absurd assumption. You watch the fight cause you already know and respect fighters. People who don't know disc aren't going to get invested in a game they see as Frisbee golf because they seen disc golfers trash talking. Also, in what world does the algorithm give some random and a disc golf video. How's this for drama, Foundation misses the mark neerly every time and has no substance

On this weeks episode of complaining about disc golf....

I want mcbeth to win by 30 every tournament and a tight race for second. With wysocki in 20th

Curious, what difference does it make if FPO makes a lower percentage of C1 putts than MPO? Comparing the two is a complete waste of time. We do not go around and compare F1 to NASCAR.... story lines and “dramas are great.. but stop fabricating it Joe Buck.