Utah. Geez. I lived in Ogden and in Albertsons, while reaching for coffee yogurt, I was astonished that a woman passing by said SHAME ON YOU. No judgment there.
As an ex Mormon I struggle with changes from the church because I feel like they’re now trying to cover up all their weird doctrine, it’s like “just be who you actually are, don’t hide it now that people are talking about it!”
Brigham Young was the racist who orchestrated the murders of Joseph, Hyrum and many others. Joseph Smith started a church called the Church of Christ and taught that if anyone teaches or live polygamy unless God outright commands it, will be excommunicated from the church. There were about 40k members of the Church of Christ and they all "owned" the church in-common. Brigham (an agent with a bulge-bracket investment bank called Kuhn Loeb & Company and Rotschild subsidiary) led about 4k or so people away from Joseph and started his own church called the "Church of Latter-day Saints". Brigham taught and lived polygamy and hated black people. Joseph conferred priesthood in 15 black men in his day, and in his US presidential platform, Joseph said he would free all the slaves. After Joseph was murdered, the historian for Brigham's church (Willard Richards) got busy re-writing history. One of the people Brigham had killed was a friend of Joseph Smith (named James Strang). Strang was assassinated on the banks of the great lakes and his assassin escaped on a US Navy boat. Brigham moved his people out west and decades after Brigham had passed, Brigham's church was renamed, "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". All these name changes that Brigham's church went through are on the corporate registry for Illinois and Utah, among other places.
@Truth Defender Don't know if you're being sarcastic, but fun fact, apparently it's now not a "sin", but a "transgression", which is apparently less serious. Still homophobic, but they still get to go to heaven they say
I'm from Dominican Republic and I love you guys so much 💖👏 I'm 21, I was a brainwash fulltime missionary, teacher at the MTC and member of the High Council for a few month till I realize what this was all really about. And now 👐 now I am free 🎉
I thought I was relatively non-judgmental as a member, but I was shocked at how many layers of judgment fell away after I left. I was constantly considering morals newly and realising that my judgements were arbitrary.
I really appreciate the take on progressive Mormons. I tried to be a "progressive Mormon" as a kid/teenager before leaving, but there was too much cognitive dissonance. Part of why I left was knowing that being a member was still endorsed homophobia and sexism, even if I held different opinions and debated with people at church.
Something good in my life: I hit a big milestone of having lost 70lbs! Something I'm struggling with: I'm trying to be more extroverted and care less about what people think about me. I'm trying to not cower and not be afraid to show my sexuality to the world too. So yeah...
Love yourself unconditionally. Work on that until it’s true. I honestly found that this was the key to not caring what others thought, because no matter what they might say, I knew I was okay. Good luck with everything.
Tyler Wilcox I literally used an affirmation- when I felt low, I would say out loud -I love myself unconditionally. Suggestion from a book that I thought was so lame at the time, but it was so hard for me to say at first that I realised that it was true that I didn’t love myself unconditionally, so I gave it a try and it changed how I felt. The truth is that there are people in my life I love unconditionally and I don’t need them to be perfect or beautiful or even in control of their lives for that to be the case, so why was I refusing to love my flawed self as I was? I always need to be on my own team.
This sounds like me a bit. Affirmations do kind of seem like a lame or pseudo-science concept but I hear a lot about them making positive changes in people's lives. I think I'll have to take it seriously and give it a shot.
(I hope y'all see this.) Funny story, Tanner was my EFY instructor.(go many things) Now when i was fifteen i was very mormon. To me there were normal mormons and then there were super religious "utah" mormons. I put Tanner in the latter category. after leaving the church at 17/18. I was still friends with tanner on facebook and he was posting lots of lds articles and stuff. One day he posted his famous "what is mormonism? what is me?" Video. I didn't even watched it, i just assumed that it was crazy mormon propoganda. I was so appalled that he would make something so self rightous that i just unfriended him. A couple of years later i finally came accross the same video while browsing ex-mormon videos. I decided to finally watch it and have a good laugh. to my amazement i discovered that this video was ANTI!?!?. Omg i was shocked and so happy to find out that Tanner was now an ex-mormon. So then i found zelph and am glad to see that tanner is a happier and cooler person now. When i watched Jesus camp, i couldn't help but realize how similiar it was to EFY i know that not all mormons go to efy but it would be cool to hear y'all talk about this straight up insane indoctrination experience. Anyway ✌✌❤❤ from Kyler
I think about this allllll the time. They must know but it's so fulfilling for them financially and socially that they just tolerate it and perpetuate lies. So sad. Zero integrity.
I’ll share: 1. Something good: Watching you guys makes me laugh 2. Something bad: I hate the fact that I know the church is NOT true. It’s taking me a while to come to terms with that, even though I found out about 2.5 years ago... blocked it for a while and this new year was the time I just couldn’t take it anymore. March 3rd was my last Sunday attending church. It still hurts, but I’ll be Ok.
luv_nane28 dude!!! It’s so rough! I know exactly what you’re talking about it’s somewhat of an existential crisis. Strange suggestion, but doing psychedelics (psilocybin in particular) helped me come to terms with the reality of the religion and instilled a confidence and trust in myself I never had when believing in the church. I was in a constant state of fear where I was thinking “I don’t believe in this but what if it’s true? It must be true if my whole community says it’s true”
A person has 3 Relational Connections in life 1. Their Connection to Jesus Christ and Creator 2. Connection to others and 3. To their own Self Each of us have to make a personal search and journey and either we are convicted of the Gospel of Jesus Christ /Salvation by Grace of Jesua dying for us to have assurance of Eternal Salvation or we Sent and Reject Love and Truth. 2. In connection to others in Faith community this is our state of our relationship with The Church Community. Often many many crisis of faith are rooted more in Crisis of Church and People rather than a Crisis of Faith in Christ. Please keep your heart and mind open to the Gospel and Call of Jesus Christ in your life and don't allow bad experiences, misunderstanding/hurt that's from the Church and not from your Original Conviction of Jesus Christ. The Door is always open!
My great Uncle was apart of the seventies and wrote a hymn in the hymnbook before he passed away and my grandfather is a sealer in the temple and has held pretty high positions. He also gave me my patriartical blessing (which nothing he said applies to me in any way) As far as I know they truly believe and are so deep into it that they never knew it was all actually a lie. It makes me cringe soooooo much because my grandfather is old enough to remember the old days where you stood completely naked in the temple. It makes me wonder what these men are thinking? So I agree with what you are saying. You put someone in that sort of position and they will think they are just the salt of the earth and will believe anything those group of people tell them.
I’m so in two minds about change within the church. I understand it can make life more tolerable, but part of me wants it to remain the same so that it becomes increasingly obvious how untrue and irrelevant it really is. No progressive change is going to make it true.
I'm really enjoying your videos. I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness, and there are a whole bunch of similarities to how our two former groups operate. Anyhoo, keep up the great work!
I feel like ex-mormons are 1000% more accepting than the general population from growing up in that kind of an environment. Almost every exmo I've met is super non-judgmental and a supporter of those who were oppressed. As a trans guy, I've felt more accepted and loved by exmos than I have by almost any other population.
I'm scrolling through youtube videos and I see that this one has 7200 views. Next to this one on the scroll is a speech by the Mormon apologist Daniel Peterson at a FAIR conference which has 2200 views. This Zelph video has been up for a week. The Peterson video has been up for 11 years. That made me chuckle a little.
Four Kids What Next? Because those of us who trust God more than Google and feast upon his words know that things like the CES Letters and the book of Abraham as false, we recognise them all as priestcrafts. The reason people leave is not because of what they see, but because of what they don't see, what these priestcrafts are hiding from you and their audiences. Do you know that Jeremy's letters contain intentional lies, partial truths to give false impressions, only 30% of Jeremy's letters are true. I'll show you what people fail to tell you about translation of the Book of Abraham by the Egyptologists. 1) People eyewitnessed that Joseph translated a long scroll, a majority of that long scroll was burnt in the Chicago fire. The museum possessed only a fragment of the scroll. 2) Since only a fragment of the scroll survived the Egyptologists only translated a fragment of the book of Abraham. 3) Some of the book of Abraham was not on the scroll but was revelation from God which didn't correlate with the scroll. 4) Joseph Smith never said how he translated the scroll, he never said revelation alone. About translating the plates with a seer stone. They fail to tell you that Moses received Revelations through the use of seer stones, even though they believe Moses was a true prophet. Joseph Smith used multiple methods to translate the plates. To seek valid sources to learn from ask yourself these questions; 1) What's the producer's motive? 2) What's the producer's intention? 3) Does the message make sense? 4) Is the producer qualified to teach this subject? Like ask yourself, why would the church leave such bad information in plain sight, there must be more to it than the producer's mentioning. “Hold fast to what you already know and stand strong until additional knowledge comes. … “… In this Church, what we know will always trump what we do not know.”
something good: finally getting out of my house and going to college. something bad: my family thinking I'm going to "hell" cos I'm leaving mormonism and "turning" into a lesbian.
@Vox Populi you know when you quote things that you don't believe in? so... I don't believe I am turning into a lesbian, my parents think that and I am quoting them... I was born gay. I do think Mormonism is bs, but I think God is bs too, so threatening me with hell is not gonna work. I hope I made my points clear. :)
@11:16…”You’re so bitter and angry”. I call BS! The reason this is my favourite exmo channel is because you guys are *not* bitter and angry. You’re also not strident and as desperate to recruit exmos as the missionaries are to recruit new members. People like Jimmy Snow make me feel uncomfortable, and even defensive, because he has so *much* loud anger about his upbringing. I haven’t watched a lot of his stuff, but what I have seen is “a lot of sound and fury” You two get righteously indignant, and yes, sometimes you get a bit angry, but that’s not your whole zeitgeist. As someone teetering on the exmo brink, I appreciate not being yelled at. And of being presented with a balanced narrative. Kudos, thanks
I love that one of the ads RU-vid played after this video was just Arcade Fire's Sprawl ii - post-Mormon bands following post-Mormon vlogs. It's a sign. RU-vid is true. Amen.
Brigham Young was the racist who orchestrated the murders of Joseph, Hyrum and many others. Joseph Smith started a church called the Church of Christ and taught that if anyone teaches or live polygamy unless God outright commands it, will be excommunicated from the church. There were about 40k members of the Church of Christ and they all "owned" the church in-common. Brigham (an agent with a bulge-bracket investment bank called Kuhn Loeb & Company and Rotschild subsidiary) led about 4k or so people away from Joseph and started his own church called the "Church of Latter-day Saints". Brigham taught and lived polygamy and hated black people. Joseph conferred priesthood in 15 black men in his day, and in his US presidential platform, Joseph said he would free all the slaves. After Joseph was murdered, the historian for Brigham's church (Willard Richards) got busy re-writing history. One of the people Brigham had killed was a friend of Joseph Smith (named James Strang). Strang was assassinated on the banks of the great lakes and his assassin escaped on a US Navy boat. Brigham moved his people out west and decades after Brigham had passed, Brigham's church was renamed, "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". All these name changes that Brigham's church went through are on the corporate registry for Illinois and Utah, among other places.
My opinion is that mormon "testimonies" are self hypnosis. They fit the pattern. It would explain why I felt what I did. I think most of the leaders are very sincere and very much subject to the same self hypnosis
I asked the F, marry, kill question and I’m so happy at your responses! I just got a new job that will allow me to be home with my spouse at night! And I’m really struggling with feeling like my family and friends still love me after leaving the church... so that’s fun
I have always wondered if the GAs really truly believe it. I can still see the the first quorum of Seventy being kept in the dark. As for the First Presidency and the 12 they can see first hand what the issues are, I asked myself what would I do in their position. For me the answer would be to resign the position and go into retirement. There is no way that I could perpetuate the mythology.
Steve Smith: If I was in their position (i.e. in the First Presidency or the 12) I would get up at General Conference and, in front of thousands, say that I no longer believed and why. I would keep talking until I was dragged off the stage.
David Holdstock I had also considered that to including posting high level church Skelton’s IE financial reports on the internet, my concern would be what fall out it would have, how marriages would it, would there be any suicides because of it. People have rapped their life, the whole foundation of their families around his belief system. For myself I really remember that it took a few months of processing information and trying make sense on how be belief in the church could still be true and still come to terms with overwhelming evidence that Joseph Smith was a fraud, my world view was turned on it’s side, it was quite traumatic to say the least, it almost ruined my marriage. I know that there are a lot of Christians out there who say that it let membership find the true Jesus. My response is that human reasoning process dose not work that way if you were betray by your religion you don’t go running after another one. I still believe that there is a God but, I choose no religion, no holy men, no holy books.
"Wait, lemme get this straight, it's insensitive to Native Americans to say that a fraudulent, racist, culturally imperialistic book is false? "I might need to write that down." #CognitiveDissonance
The reason I know the culture comes from the doctrine and policies is because of how similar the culture can be, even when you’re living it in Australia. We had so many missionaries, etc come to our city and the Mormon cultural differences were not huge.
Something good is I'm getting a house with a roommate, challenging is having to move everything out of my Grammy that passed away house because we sold it
Something awesome? My brother is on spring break in Alabama (where I live) from Wisconsin (where we're from) and he came into work today to surprise me! Not so good? My tire flew off on the way to work and hit a firetruck then bounced over three lanes of traffic. Something good pt2: the mechanics who worked on it a few weeks ago were at fault and paid for my tow and all of the necessary repairs for it YAY
Something good in my life: After 8 months of pain, 2 doctors, and 3 physical therapists, I finally know what's wrong with my hurt knee. Something I'm struggling with: This is probably because I just recently learned about church history, but I'm having a difficult time trying not to get my family to leave the church. They're happy in it, and they believe 100%, but it just kills me inside knowing they're in a cult.
Jonny, Your problem is not because of what you see, it's because of what you haven't seen. All these videos and channels about particular topics of the church, have you ever realised how much the producers are hiding from you and their audiences? Here's one part Critics fail to share with you. www.fairmormon.org/answers/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Online_documents/Letter_to_a_CES_Director About 70% of Jeremy's letters are intentional lies and partial truths designed to deceive members. Like this video, do you know how much Jeremy failed to mention on each topic in his letters?
I left the church several years ago (also divorced who left the church with husband towards the beginning of marriage). I recently came across some videos about the inconsistencies and falsehoods found in Mormonism (and your channel!) and got back into the info that's out there challenging the faith. It's much less of an emotional experience now and even entertaining! In one of your videos you talked about people leaving because they ACTUALLY don't believe it's true, and I was like YAS!!! I couldn't put my finger on that and put it into words when I was leaving. My mom thinks I still "know" but don't want to live it. Man, the programming runs deep. Thanks for your channel 💙
I was just listening to a Mormon Stories podcast. A man was disfellowshipped and the letter they gave him recommended that (during this period of repentance) he continue to WEAR HIS GARMENTS. And there's more. CONTINUE TO PAY TITHING. Could it be more blatant?
I like reading the Book of Mormon. Even when I was in my Faith Crisis. I still read it. I asked myself if it was false, and maybe it was, it was a relative conclusion. The more I read the closer I felt to Christ. So if it's historical side was not accurate, it didn't matter to me anymore. But as time went on I felt the truthfulness of it. I embraced it and told myself that I would continue to embrace it whether it was just inspired document from Joseph and others. Trust me, I went through my own journey of questioning. But why do critics hate on it so much? there is only much to gain from it like parables and examples of following true principles. If we believe in Christ and if he were to handle the book and examine it's contents, he would only say it edified. I have decided that It's true enough for me to keep it a part of my life for good.
Funny enough, it was after watching the bachelor videos that I decided I needed to become a patron. I enjoyed those so much, but knew that it had to be hell to put out, and I love you two for doing so ♥️
Yesterday I was driving home crying and thought that coming to Utah (almost 4yrs ago) was one of the worst things I’ve done in my life; I learned of the truth of the church. Learning of the truth has been one of the MOST painful things I’ve gone through in my life.
Utah can feel like a giant trap, but I hope you can find some good people there to support you. I had to leave, but I know some people that have managed to be able to stay.
As someone who is binge watching these, this is the happiest I have seen you so far. This has been really good for you I can tell. Ok, but does Banks and Bernie have ADHD? I come here because I went thru a similar life situation from being adopted. Only in my case, I was given up from a devout Mormon single mother and only realized when I was 29 what that really meant when I found her and my birthfamily(I was raised far way from Utah -where I was conceived.) There was a never a chance I would be a convert, I had already been in therapy for several issues -one of them fundamentalist religion however, I kept trying, hoping there was some middle ground. It was sad when I realized years later that I never was going to feel close to any of them. I TRIED so hard for 20 years but I was an oddity/curiosity/and I was, of course, not in the church. I kept telling myself if they had unconditional love, they will be accepting of me if I keep trying! (Ugh.) The last straw was when my half-sister stopped calling me after our families went out for dinner 7 yrs ago. I never knew why until watching your videos the other day and I realized that it was because I had a couple of beers in front of her kids at dinner that night. Thinking back I figured we had known each other for 10 years and surely she would think this was no big deal. Oops. She never said anything, just POOF, my half sister didn't want to know me anymore. Oh, it was also the time my adoptive mother was dying...so there was that...Nothing from her either. I remember thinking what kind of religion breeds these types that turn on their own blood that easily. Certainly not one associated with love. Keep doing what you are doing, you are helping people in ways you cannot imagine.
I remember going to a ward while visiting a friend in Sandy, Utah, while i was still a member. I'm from Dallas. They treated me like trash. I sat in the middle and they purposely sat away from me. It looked like a circle with a dot in the middle. They didn't even want to be near me. I got so fed up I walked back to my friend's house. Juxtapose that with my visit to a Miami ward and they welcomed me and everyone got to know me. Utah Mormons are assholes.
Changes are welcome, but not convincing when it comes to explaining an “All knowing god.” The truth about religion is better than wishful thinking. “People used to be animists, polytheists, monotheists, and they’re getting closer to the true figure all the time.” Bertrand Russel/Christopher Hitchens
I'm an INTP too! Do an episode. I did an informal survey of 50 believing and non-believing Mormons and their Myers Briggs. The results were very interesting.
Mormonism works best in Jamaica where they take your money and they say I want lots Mormon. I prefer being a photographer in Sweden where twins will say HE WANTS TO FOCUS
My mission president told us he went into Thomas Monson's office and President Monson opened a secret door in the wall to reveal.... ...a load of World War 2 movies. And here I was told that the apostles only watch U rated films.
Good thing: I have a girlfriend who's absolutely amazing Bad thing: my parents are making me pay tithing on my job while I could be keeping that money for college. Every time I bring up that I'm an adult and can do what I want, they threaten to kick me out. I would love to leave, but still have to look for options.
Hannah James as soon as you can get to college never pay tithing again its guilt trip money making scam, loads of people can’t afford 10 per cent I refused that’s why I left after only a month. No body tells me how to run home finances. Good luck
Quitting the Mormon Church (Unabridged) I have been thinking of quitting the Mormon Church. Yes, if I can, I am going to get even with that church. As soon as I can find another church that teaches about the Gathering of the House of Israel; the return of the Ten Tribes and their mission; the return of the Jews to Palestine and why, and how they are going to build the temple; the building of temples and what to do with them; the mission of Elias, the prophet, as predicted by Malachi; the method for the salvation of the people that died at the time of Noah in the flood; the origin of the American Indian; the complete explanation of why Jesus of Nazareth had to have a mortal mother but not a mortal father; the explanation of the three degrees of glory (three heavens) as mentioned by Paul; the complete explanation of why Elias and Moses did not die but had to be translated (since they both lived before the resurrection was introduced by Christ); the restoration of the gospel by modern revelation as promised by Peter and Paul and Jesus himself; the belief in eternal marriage and the family, and the knowledge and the place to seal for eternity; that teaches abstinence from all harmful drugs and foods; and that sells the best fire insurance policy on earth, for the last days, for only a tenth of my income. Yes sir, as soon as I can find another church that teaches all that, or even half as much, I will say good-bye to this Mormon Church. The church that I am looking for must also be able to motivate 90,000+ youth, and adults, for the first, second or third time, to leave their homes for two years at their own expense and go to far-away places to teach and preach without salary. It must be able to call, on a frosty day, some 5 or 6 thousand professors, students, lawyers, doctors, judges, policemen, businessmen, housewives and children to go and pick apples at 6 am. It must be able to call meetings and get the attention for two hours of more than 300,000 men. Yes, it must also teach and show why salvation is assured for children who die before eight years of age. Mr. Editor, could you help me find a church that teaches all that and more than hundreds of other doctrines and principles, which I have no room to mention here, and which brings solace and comfort to the soul; peace, hope, and salvation to mankind, and above all, that answers the key questions that all the great philosophers have asked; questions and answers that explain the meaning of life, the purpose of death, suffering and pain; the absolute need for a Redeemer and the marvelous plan conceived by our Father and executed by Jesus Christ the Savior? Yes, as soon as I find another church that teaches that, and also that has the organization and the powers to make that teaching effective, I am going to quit the Mormon Church. For I should not tolerate that “they” should change a few words in the Book of Mormon - even if those changes simply improve the grammar and the syntax of the verses - for, after all, don’t you think the Divine Church should employ angels as bookmakers, and clerks, to do all the chores on earth? Don’t you think, Mr. Editor that the Divine Church should also have prophets that don’t get sick and don’t get old and die, and certainly, that don’t make a goof here and there. No, sir! A Divine Church should be so divine that only perfect people should belong to it, and only perfect people should run it. As a matter of fact, the Church should be so perfect that it should not even be here on earth! So, I repeat, if any one of the kind readers of this imperfect letter knows about another church that teaches and does as much for mankind as the Mormon Church, please let me know. And please do it soon, because my turn to go to the cannery is coming up. Also, “they” want my last son (the fifth one) to go away for two years and again, I have to pay for all that. And I also know that they expect me to go to the farm to prune trees, and I have heard that our ward is going to be divided again, and it is our side that must build the new chapel. And also, someone the other day had the gall of suggesting that my wife and I get ready to go on a second mission, and when you come back, they said, you can volunteer as a temple worker. Boy, these Mormons don’t leave you alone for a minute. And what do I get for all that, I asked? “Well,” they said, “for one, you can look forward to a funeral service at no charge!”… Do you think you can help me to find another church? Thomas D. Clark
Hey y’all, just a little reminder than Mormonism is nothing like orthodox Christianity (not orthodox Christians, who are still sinners and struggle) but the actual doctrine and teachings of historic Christianity. I see people leaving Mormonism and thinking Christianity is the same thing based on what they saw in the Mormon church, but it’s not the same at all. Peace!
Brigham Young was the racist who orchestrated the murders of Joseph, Hyrum and many others. Joseph Smith started a church called the Church of Christ and taught that if anyone teaches or live polygamy unless God outright commands it, will be excommunicated from the church. There were about 40k members of the Church of Christ and they all "owned" the church in-common. Brigham (an agent with a bulge-bracket investment bank called Kuhn Loeb & Company and Rotschild subsidiary) led about 4k or so people away from Joseph and started his own church called the "Church of Latter-day Saints". Brigham taught and lived polygamy and hated black people. Joseph conferred priesthood in 15 black men in his day, and in his US presidential platform, Joseph said he would free all the slaves. After Joseph was murdered, the historian for Brigham's church (Willard Richards) got busy re-writing history. One of the people Brigham had killed was a friend of Joseph Smith (named James Strang). Strang was assassinated on the banks of the great lakes and his assassin escaped on a US Navy boat. Brigham moved his people out west and decades after Brigham had passed, Brigham's church was renamed, "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". All these name changes that Brigham's church went through are on the corporate registry for Illinois and Utah, among other places.
I feel like a good way to not be a judgmental Mormon is to be a shitty Mormon. Then you never judge other people because you think you yourself are shite. Come to think of it, you leave and realize your actually a pretty good guy, when you get out circle.
Thanks for answering my questions, you 2 rock. Now I am curious after the video. If they believe they becomes Gods/like Gods and created a universe. Whose universe/reality are we in? My guess would be Moroni but I have no idea if there is any official doctrine that goes that far. Or is that even something they think about?
Daniel Barnes We’re in our Heavenly Father’s universe. He is our god. We will be God’s to our eternal increase (spirit children). It’s a big repeating cycle. (I’m exMo and don’t believe this any more.)
@@debbiehoad1850 Right, but is that Elohim ? Or someone else ? Is this even clearly defined as to who the Heavenly Father is ? None of this makes any damn sense and proof that I'd make a horrible Mormon. I think too much and ask too many questions, lol
@@debbiehoad1850 So Elohim was a man who walked on a planet and did something to become exalted/enlightened. (I don't think there is doctrine on whatever he did wherever) Then he created our universe and now hangs out near a planet called Kolob ?
Its seem the mormons and the JW founders both had the same thing in common. And it that they both had and have strong ties to the freemasons. I wonder why that is.
Of course they know it's false, that's not even a question. It was started by a con man for crying out loud. It's no different from any other organized religion, they are after the huge payoff, and they found it.
Brigham Young was the racist who orchestrated the murders of Joseph, Hyrum and many others. Joseph Smith started a church called the Church of Christ and taught that if anyone teaches or live polygamy unless God outright commands it, will be excommunicated from the church. There were about 40k members of the Church of Christ and they all "owned" the church in-common. Brigham (an agent with a bulge-bracket investment bank called Kuhn Loeb & Company and Rotschild subsidiary) led about 4k or so people away from Joseph and started his own church called the "Church of Latter-day Saints". Brigham taught and lived polygamy and hated black people. Joseph conferred priesthood in 15 black men in his day, and in his US presidential platform, Joseph said he would free all the slaves. After Joseph was murdered, the historian for Brigham's church (Willard Richards) got busy re-writing history. One of the people Brigham had killed was a friend of Joseph Smith (named James Strang). Strang was assassinated on the banks of the great lakes and his assassin escaped on a US Navy boat. Brigham moved his people out west and decades after Brigham had passed, Brigham's church was renamed, "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". All these name changes that Brigham's church went through are on the corporate registry for Illinois and Utah, among other places.
reading the scriptures and seeing people post these and seeing them in prophecy and knowing they are the ones that left the iron rod AND are pointing and laughing but have lost the truth, sad it is to know , but knowledge is given of God not man and knowing you have become non believers lost faith is sad, but the great and terrible day of the lord is at hand and you have been warned, sad to see so many twist simple truths and adding mans wisdom to make simple things seam false because of vanity and earthly desires.
Please do a video on MBTI/Jungian Personality Typology! It's seriously so interesting when you get into the cognitive functions. Tanner definitely seems like an ENFP but I wouldn't have guessed INTP for Sam.
He cries but most of the time...no tears. I love Eyring but....it is about tearing up to convince people of his message more than authentically tearing up. Sometimes its authentic and sometimes its tactics. Simple
Honestly I feel like if it affects you how people think of you then you give them to much credit I’ve been a ex no for 3 years now and haven’t really had a bad experience with my family bc I walk around proud of my decisions and therefore they don’t say anything to me about it
I used to be in the LD$ church. do the leaders know it's false? I don't know any of those guys personally, so i don't know. It's easy to say "oh they know it's false." I really can't tell. remember, all these guys grew up in the church. they either know it's false or they're very deluded men.
Good thing(s): 1. I'm figuring what I'm passionate about 2. I'm finding an Ex-Mormon community. 3. I'm learning that it's okay to criticize the Church and will eventually reach a place where I realize it's good to criticize it and say the honest truth. Challenging thing(s): 1. I have two very close friends who are in different places in a "progressive" Mormon journey, and I am glad they are making the Church a little ish better for marginalized people, but I am nearly driven mad by the fact that if I tried to warn them, they probably wouldn't understand and would maybe distance themselves from me until later on. 2. I can't decide whether or through what avenue to go to graduate school. I'm really passionate about medical queer fertility issues. I'm also really passionate about the environment and climate change. I love policy and academic economics (not FOXNews bullshit). I'm really crazy torn. Good problem to have, but I'm running out of decision time as to what I do immediately following undergrad. 3. I sometimes struggle with knowing what my culture is, post-Mormonism. These communities help with that, but like if I marry my partner I don't have a culture to bring to the table with him and I don't want to appropriate items from other folks cultures, even though I gain so much understanding from other people. 4. Are any other ex-mos out there also a little traumatized by collared shirts? Although professionalism is often a cultural and gender litmus test, how do you face these workplace requirements that don't suit how you see yourself and what you want to project forward?
I think at least some of the LDS General Authorities know Mormonism is not the church of Jesus, but they're STUCK!! They KNOW that if they say anything about their TRUE feelings (that the LDS church is not true), it would be too upsetting for them and their families. AND...they'd have to find a REAL JOB!! That alone would cause them to pee their garments.
If any Lds member says the problem with the churchs culture is through people and not the church respond and say Matthew 12:33"Either make the tree good and its fruit good ,or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad ;for a tree is known by its fruit." the only way to show the Mormons they are living lies is through love and their main enemy Jesus in the New Testament. Matthew 7:15-20 also talks about this in in versus 20 it reads," Therefore by their fruits you will know them." showing them wrong through anger causes resentment but showing them love and kindness will force them to open their hearts.
I am a recent law school graduate in Germany and rataking the bar exam to qualify to be a judge. Having trouble getting back into studying bc this week would have been my moms 60th birthday- sie passed away 18 months ago.
Brigham Young was the racist who orchestrated the murders of Joseph, Hyrum and many others. Joseph Smith started a church called the Church of Christ and taught that if anyone teaches or live polygamy unless God outright commands it, will be excommunicated from the church. There were about 40k members of the Church of Christ and they all "owned" the church in-common. Brigham (an agent with a bulge-bracket investment bank called Kuhn Loeb & Company and Rotschild subsidiary) led about 4k or so people away from Joseph and started his own church called the "Church of Latter-day Saints". Brigham taught and lived polygamy and hated black people. Joseph conferred priesthood in 15 black men in his day, and in his US presidential platform, Joseph said he would free all the slaves. After Joseph was murdered, the historian for Brigham's church (Willard Richards) got busy re-writing history. One of the people Brigham had killed was a friend of Joseph Smith (named James Strang). Strang was assassinated on the banks of the great lakes and his assassin escaped on a US Navy boat. Brigham moved his people out west and decades after Brigham had passed, Brigham's church was renamed, "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". All these name changes that Brigham's church went through are on the corporate registry for Illinois and Utah, among other places. I wouldn't take the BAR if I were you, it is owned by the vatican ultimately. You can practice law without being BAR licensed. All governments on earth use UCC and CFR statutes (etc). And all governments that use UCC and CFR (etc) are fraudsters. In the US the 'supreme court" had this to say about law: PER THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT REGARDING PRACTICE OF LAW; 1) The practice of Law CANNOT be licensed by any state/State Schware v. Board of Examiners, 2)Brotherhood of Trainmen v. Virginia ex rel. Virginia State Bar (377 U.S. 1); Gideon v. Wainwright 372 U.S. 335; Argersinger v. Hamlin, Sheriff 407 U.S. 425. Litigants may be assisted by unlicensed layman during judicial proceedings. 3) The practice of Law is AN OCCUPATION OF COMMON RIGHT! Sims v. Aherns, 271 S.W. 720 (1925) These same standards (or lack thereof) apply in all the governments of the world without exception. Es gibt hier keine Ausnahmen, Punkt!
Something that’s good in my life right now....I love my Job. :) Something bad...I just want to live with my wife but she is working rurally for another week. :/
Religious or not save it for your lady, although being a guy I wouldn’t mind at all if my lady pleased herself without me AT ALL...double standard? Yeah so wat
