@@Zen-vm5tc eddie hall and Halfthor are MASSIVE dudes, so idk if your analysis is correct. I do think that shorter people have an easier time doing pullups, pushups, and lefts, but eddie hall and thor, some of the best lifters in the world lifting over 1000lbs in a deadlift, are well over 6ft tall.
@@MochaZilla There’s a fine line between applying yourself,!and developing a “goggins” type of mindset, so to speak. If applying myself meant flapping my arms like a bird with 30 pounds in my hands, then I in-fact don’t apply myself, as I’m sure 99% of us don’t. The exercise is named after the dude, after all.
@@kennethflores-hv7uf 5KG 1 warm up set of 10. 7.5KG 1 set of 10 again. 10KG as many sets of 5 to ten reps I can until failure. Sometimes I go back to 5KG and go to failure with that too. This is just my personal routine. You might find something that works for you. Also, I don't do this in the gym I bought weight plates for my home. I do it twice a week along with neck, Kettlebell and club bell workouts so it's more of a side workout than a main workout.
@@kennethflores-hv7uf yeah no problem. Take your time with it. The good thing about it is that you can get the form quite quickly and I don't think there's much chance of injury. Take care 💪🏾
I’m currently easing into this to recover from a partial tear & surgery in my shoulder. Going past horizontal to full vertical really changes how much weight you can actually do.
"Easing" into these is the best way after an operation. Very slowly and very light to begin with. Gradual increases only when you feel comfortable to do so. Do this for a couple of months to get back into it and get into the habit of lifting slower and mode careful. I did it this way after breaking my arm. Now, from controlling the weight better I have surpassed my previous max lifts and I dont get injured badly. Warmup = longevity.
If you guys are wondering.. YES! You can also do these with Dumbbells Edit: It's been explained to me by multiple replies that, performing this exercises with Dumbbells is less than ... (ideal)
I forgot what exactly was said and from which video as it’s been a while, but using dumbbells isn’t as efficient because it has something to do with the “claw” grip on the plates that you can’t do with the dumbbells. TLDR: use dumbbells if you don’t have plates, but use plates if you have them.
lifter of 10 years here, bumper plates are preferred for a couple reasons. One underrated reason is that the surface area of the plate catches air on its way up, creating just a little drag which feels like slight added resistance. More like the sense of linear resistance as if you were training with cables. You can’t use momentum to get them up quite like dumbbells which cut through the air comparatively ☝️🤓
I’ve been doing these with dumbbells for 50+ years. I was so fortunate to be taught by really nice lifters, patient enough to help a kid. Don’t swing your arms. Slow and steady. I go straight up from the sides I start with 5 poiunds and go up in increments of 2.5 till doing a few at 17.5. Slow and steady process.
Just to note. The form is quite different in the two examples. The first one is rigid and depends heavily on side delts. The second, or main, one goes through a range of motion in the torso, thereby activating the three heads in the delt
Can we talk about how the first guy went straight up along the hip line, and lu xiaojun he almost did a very wide fly to hip line, and then he does a shoulder press motion with straight elbows
Notice the critical difference in form between the black man and Lü Xiaojun. Do it the way Lü does them to keep your shoulder (supraspinatus to be precise) healthy. External rotation.
@@picodellamirandol4418 externally rotate your shoulders and shrug your traps to free up space for your supraspinatus tendon to not cause an impingement. Your palms face to the front and not to the sides
@@picodellamirandol4418 The 1st guy is basically "flapping" his arms with the plates for the entire motion. Lu starts the "flapping motion" but once his arms pass the plane of his shoulders, his thumbs turn toward the ceiling, palms facing forward.
Yes, this all day. Obviously I'm not doing 33 pounds, but the way he pins his shoulders back and you can kinda see him go up in these half circle motions, it feels so much better than shrugs and the lat raises that most people do up to the shoulders and back down.
yup, it really is an old school excercise, even using the plates, gym rats were doing these before Lu was even born. Im not a fan of them myself. I prefer behind the neck press for shoulder health and mobility
Your page is seriously underrated bro, I have learned so much about proper form since following you. My PR on my deadlifts and squats have went up 100 lbs in the past 6 months! I’m up to 405 for both now.💪🏽 thanks man!
Lean slightly forward (aka kepp your back staight but stick you butt out like youre pretending to be a duck)...and have your hands (and we8ghts) slightly in front of your body. (You can have a slight bend in your elbow...near lockout but elbows not locked out). If you pratice what feels comfortable, you wont feel an impingement. TLDR: think of it as a jumping jack but without jumping snd with a little bit of weight added to your hands. Start with low weight.
@theduke5484 I think you're describing a lateral raises. This is not a lateral raise. Also, we don't do jumping jacks with our palms facing downward hehe
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@@cesar_candanozah dumbbell and cables are easier to grip, these are just awkward and higher chance your forearms will fatigue sooner than your shoulders
@@mariko-sama I’m just thinking about it though because with the plates the grip is really awkward you use the forearm more to get a good grip (not in the movement itself just actually holding it, which may cause you forearms to fail before shoulders)
Coach wouldn't this lead to shoulder impingement? The arm is not externally rotated which might cause impingement, at least it does to me as I feel pain if I do such a motion and in that plane. A little bit of angle and no more pain
You’re on the internet trying to make a random person, who you don’t even know, or know the backstory of, look bad, and really acting like I’m the inferior one. Plus, you really think trying to insult me about something I obviously named myself is going to make me mad? Get a life dude
This is an amazing example of muscle adaptation for specific movements. Another example is wanting to learn how to do pull-ups but only doing assisted pull-ups. You'll be able to do a marathon from beginner level faster than doing pull-ups by decreasing weights in the assisted pull ups. If you can't do a single pull-up, train the top, middle, then bottom portion of the movement unassisted. As you get better with those, you can do small volume reps. You can do this with weighted exercises as well if you can't add chains or bands, whenever you hit a plateau.
Man your videos are perfect I am currently taking biomechanics and anatomical kinesiology and your video have helped me a lot, is there any video about fixing the knee ACL, and MCL
I did these as a variation of side delts as a collegiate athlete and was told I was doing it wrong but never felt any pain but always got a good pump.. Truth always prevails
Tbh it's more *practical* to do these with just dumbells, but hats off for doing it with plates! We dont always have the good fortune of a nice handle in the wild, so no wonder we tend to mythologise dad/farmer strength - these people are coping with the awkward and the suboptimal!
Ive been doing this raises because of curiosity and Ive been doing them ever since, it feels good afterwards, the most I could do was probably 20 lbs and I already feel like dying after 5 reps, I cant imagine going beyond 20 lbs and doing it so effortlessly.
Honestly it just makes sense to use a full rom. Regular lateral raises are odd in that the movement is typically performed with half the movement that the shoulders are used for. Although it would probably be a lot easier to just use free weights instead of plates
I do these for high reps currently working with 20lb dumbbells. These + Cuban rotations have my shoulders bulletproof, mobile, big and strong even when I take long breaks from gymnastic rings work
From my knowledge, the plates allow for a more natural path of travel for the shoulders. Dumbbells kind of limit the path because you are forced to grip them
Very similar to club swings. That rotation works the entire shoulder and its a very easy going exercise. Over time you develope some gnarly muscles and strength.
Yes, but thumbs to the sky, and fully extended arms only for lower weights if you value your shoulder joints (torque = force x distance), otherwise a slight elbow bend will help reduce pain from that higher torque. I like to finish with 15 second isometrics at the 1/2 ROM for a good final burn too👍
@jakemorrison8507 Men's Health did a good article titled "How to Do Lateral Raises Without Messing Up Your Shoulders" which explains the risk for impingement when your thumbs are not pointing upward. Many experts state the same thing for similar reasons. If you're old like me, you definitely point them suckers straight up LoL 👍
TL;DR for ppl who do this with dumbells instead: You can do it plates and the benefit of plates is the way you grip them makes the excercice more effective, it has to do with the fingers and grip. And a tip: If you are still a beginer DONT go egolifting these, you could get serious pinch ligament injury on your shoulder and rotator cuff.
I started doing these August of 2021. I can do 10 reps with 10kg on each side, still building my way up to 15 for 10. I don't do any other shoulder exercise asides from rear delt flies, and my shoulders are my 3rd best bodypart after chest and legs
