LeBron James has played with his fair share of teammates over the years and it's no secret that some players have a hard time fitting in. Hope you enjoy.
LeExcuses James fans claim that Lebron makes his teammates better, but at the same time, they claim that LeHelp James lacks help. But LeParasite James had so many great teammates. D Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Ray Allen, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis. Even beyond the big names, LeTurnover James had so many good teammates. Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauska, Anderson Varejao, Larry Hughes, Danny Green, Andre Drummind, Shane Battier, Kyle Kuzma, George Hill, Dennis Schooder, Montrezl Harrell, Daniel Gibson, Antawn Jamison.
@@allanhouston.1884 he really is a parasite. He mortgages teams futures for immediate gratification. Sucks them dry. Burns the fields then leaves and does it again
Which means what? He will SURELY dominate the ball more than anyone else could which equals more STATS & it also ENSURES his team won't be able to function without him properly because they to depending on him which then ENSURES what? TEAMMATES get the blame not LeBron LeBron lowkey genius for structuring it that way so he can never get called on it
@@allanhouston.1884 It's always LeBron "dragged" his team to the Finals....more like coasted through the worst conference competitively in NBA history.
I always thought this narrative was dumb and a way for the media to elevate LeBron. This often comes up when they try to compare him to Jordan. They try to make it seem like MJ was just some guy who could score but wouldn't be anything without Phil and Scottie and LeBron is the better overall player because "he made his teammates better" and then refer to how the teams collapse after he leaves. I think this points out some very important context that's left out of the conversation.
@@Sf75178 they never have a good argument, and if it’s an argument it’s one they got from Shannon/Nick or those little kids today with those LBJ fan pages on social media spewing lies.
Haven't finished watching the video yet so I dunno if it was mentioned, but a big part of the reason for his teams collapsing after he leaves is because the roster is constructed solely around his skill set. When a roster of 12-15 guys are put together because of only 1 of them, of course the team will collapse once that 1 player is gone. Plus, Miami's fall had more to do with Bosh and Wade being hurt more than LeBron leaving. The year after LeBron left, Wade missed 20 games and Bosh missed 38. They still almost made the playoffs anyway.
Great look here. The media continues to push the narrative that Bron makes players better while blatantly ignoring Chris Paul who literally drags teams to the playoffs every year and damn near beat the Warriors with KD
All he All Star teammates have dropped dramatically their offensive production when they start to play with LeBron. Wade went from 26ppg to 19ppg, playing with LeBron. Every year, he avg less and less. Bosh went from 24ppg to 16ppg. Look at K. Love as well. Kyrie was the only one who increased his ppg in his last 2 seasons in Cle because he decided to take more shoots, and that's why his problems with LeBron started
The idea that LeBron *"turns big into jump shooters"* is typically part of the dishonest criticisim that players' (Bosh, Love) numbers go down when they play with LeBron because of a supposed *"LeBron system"* Ignoring the fact that Wade and Irving were also on those teams, lessening the scoring options for the bigs. And ignoring that star players numbers go down when they play with other stars simply by virtue sacrificing for each other. LeBron was a 30 ppg scorer before playing with other stars and never again after. So it's dishonest to act like other stars' roles changing when they team up is some exlcusive, evil LeBron effect.
2021 Wizards: *Russell Westbrook=22-ppg. FG-44% 11-rpg. 12-apg- ( Nba Assists Leader- 2021 ).* He led the Washington Wizards to the Playoffs. But LeBlame James is not a leader and he doesnt make his teammates better like other great player.
@@dynamic6645 bron fans cant stop discrediting his teamates lmao just to favor bron. Russ isn't known as a brick machine. Appircate greatness. General fans overhate russ and blame him for the lakers struggles
I also love how he sets a team up with all shooters, and then clowns claim dur he’s pass master dur…meanwhile he just holds the ball every possession, waits for a double team and passes to the open man. Yeah, magical how does he do it…🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
His media have created so many false narratives about him it’s crazy how much the casual viewer gets sucked into believing it. From him “making players better”, to “put him on any team and he wins” or one of my favorites about how “he can guard any position”...
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx I know. The media is scared of lebron or they are paid to promote him, 1 or the other. They literally gave him a legacy by only comparing him to Jordan. He is a great player, but that's doesn't make him the goat. Is he better than Magic, Bird, Kobe, Kareem, Duncan ect.....
@@GtheGreat1 oh it’s both, they’re scared to say a negative word about him bc they’re under klutch sports (which is his). He has former teammates scattered across networks defending him, Perk/Jones/Jefferson/Hollins etc. also look at Shannon/Nick who are close with him, they had MJ as the goat for a long time until klutch got to them. Now it’s their job to discredit anything MJ ever did, not just him but other rivals of LBJ’s like KD/Curry/Kyrie/Kobe/Kawhi etc. Ask yourself this, what other media team bashes those guys I mentioned while propping up a certain player and downplaying his teammates? It’s only the LBJ media. Like you said they gave him a legacy through false narratives and discrediting past legends. He isn’t the goat or even second place like they think he is.
I won't say he ruined Kuzma. He plays more minutes and have more or less the same stats if you report them to 36min. He takes more rebounds and makes more assists but it's because he doesn't have LeBron and AD with him.
Kevin Love and Chris Bosh don't seem like they have any regrets, according to what they've said on multiple podcasts. I doubt they'd ever use the word "ruin" in their vocabulary when discussing such topic. They did whatever it took to put themselves and their teams in a position to succeed and they ended up succeeding. Kuzma hasn't played more than 5 seasons in the NBA so I can't say that he was "ruined". According to the trend of LeBron's former teammates, it's safe to say Kuzma will never average a 3 point percentage of .366 ever again in any given season like he did in his rookie season when he was LeBron's teammate.
@@MistahUnknown 3 pointers is only one aspect. Those three should have prioritized towards the rim to be the most effective or mix it up to keep the opponents guessing
@@MistahUnknown thank you Everyone acts like those guys should’ve been dropping 20+ a game. Which that won’t happen when you are a third option before some of the GOATs.
I mean if you're called the 'King' and 'the chosen one' at such a young age ofc you would be extremely self centered and an egomaniac. Lebron wants everything to be about him.
I don't get that impression from Lebron given how dramatically major those titles are compared to what I have seen other players do while being told less.
I've done a lot of research about this and picked up on this when he was still in Cleveland. When I bring this up a lot of LeBron stands say well. Of course he took more shots because he's the best player. There's something you didn't pick up on that I picked up on a long time ago. Larry Hughes and Antawn Jamison both had drastic drops in production playing with LeBron but they actually play together with Gilbert arenas in which all three average 20 points per game in the same season. But individually with LeBron neither could crack 16 points. And nobody would call Gilbert arenas a facilitator but somehow they managed to all three average 20 points a game. Great job overall but you kind of missed a big point. Also shot attempts per game. LeBron is number one in every season of his career except one for shots per game on his team
Only thing I can say is when talented players played on teams with Magic and Bird none of their games suffered but everybody that plays on teams with Lebron games drop off dramatically.
@@jimmulcahey9312 EXACTLY raja Bell she's Boris diaw went from so so guys in the league to getting paid and respected when they played with Steve Nash.
Thank you and I've been saying Bron is the Wilt Chamberlain of his era, a stats stuff machine but in the big games is where you shut down his teammates, let Bron get his and it's over because his teammates always play like deer in the head lights in crunch time because they aren't use to team ball because Bron never as a leader trained them for that. Jordan learned that fast no one in the 80's and 90's of fundamental basketball was you winning with only one or even two great players but instead back then all 5 of your teammates had to be on point or you'll get fundamental rolled off the court 😳 The Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, San Antonio, Mavs and many other teams that won that chip never beat you with athleticism or ball hogging but instead fundamentals of the game of playing team ball. No fundamentals were needed when the Lakers beat a bad and injured Miami team in the bubble but instead they used athleticism against a very weak team 🤔
@syedsuhaibali5318 No one is saying he hasn't had success. But let's face it 1 chip was in a shortened season with a team with Wade and Bosh in a weak east. That's why he's been to so many finals in the first place. And his most recent chip was in a bubble. Still counts, but let's be real, very odd circumstances.
Right. You notice the Spurs, Mavs, Warriors and even the Nuggets had better ball movement as a team than Lebron team. They passed as a team. Lebron stagnates his own team's offense because his teammates have to watch and wait if he's going to pass or not. If Lebron can't drive it's definitely a wrap
You see the way he was talking last night!? That's LOSER TALK. He can never be the goat. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOAT, and he would NEVER talk like that! JORDAN IS THE MAN
I said this years ago that when Jordan started winning it was when his stats went down and that's when he trusted his teammates to do their job that they get paid for. Imagine this, you hog all the stats across the board but your team always seems to win but in the big games it is now time to involve your teammates but they don't come through because they aren't use to doing their job from not never havig to and you always lose the big game because of that. That is Bron's career and why he always lost the finals most of the time especially with the Cavs. His teammates are getting paid millions to watch Bron stats stuff instead of everyone playing their part. Look at the teams that Bron lost to in the finals like the Mavs, San Antonio and Golden State who all look like they were playing 80's and 90's style basketball on Bron's teams where everyone did their part and the ball would go to the open man and that man didn't miss because they were use to playing offense, defense, rebounding ect. Bron is not a leader and doesn't hold teammate accountable like the superstar players of the 80's and 90's held their teammates accountable for not doing their job but instead Bron rather be a friend first and ball hog. Truthfully if Bron played in the 80's and 90's with his talent he would have 6 chips because those players back then would of taught him really how to play the game with accountability, hunger, anger aka the right way without running all over the NBA looking for chips. Imagine if Bron said I am taking my rebounds and assist down to put up 5 more points a game I think Bron has more chips but you will have dumb people saying Bron has to get those rebounds and assist for his team, nope you go get players who can like Jordan did with Rodman, Harper ect. More stats has only equaled more finals losses for Bron. Finally No one wanted to play with Bron in Cleveland so he went to Miami but Bron went back to Cleveland under Kyrie where Kyrie left him and then went to LA and begged AD to come there because no one wanted to play with him. I mean something aint right here, sure Jordan was harsh on his teammates but Jordan always came through in the finals and his teammates came through for Jordan as Jordan and his teammates played off of each other in playing their parts and this is how 80's and 90's basketball was played as a team.
Like you said about Jordan winning when his stats were down and the rest of the team was involved. The same was true with Wilt. I don’t care how good a player is basketball is a team sport and it takes a team to win not just one player.
It's more of "he creates efficient shot opportunities for his teammates" than "He makes his teammates better". When people say he makes his teammates better, that's exactly what they mean. Your his teammate? Your efficiency goes up because of the wide open shot opportunities you're getting through the use of his "tools" that he has.
Thank you so much for making this video, I've been saying this for years about LeBron and he doesn't make his teammates better. Only reason why it worked with Wade/Kyrie/Davis. Cause they don't need the ball in their hands 24/7 to score. They're good off the ball sccoers, a truly underappreciated aspect to scoring. And so is Bosh, he was a good off-ball scorer with the Raptors too. Me personally I feel LeBron is the most overrated superstar player in the past 30yrs of the NBA. I've never been a fan of the basketball player of his game. And his mentality has always been weak and he's not competitive. What Chandler, Durant, Bosh,Chambers said in these tweets you shared on his game and playing with him are facts. One thing particular to what Chamber's also said. LeBron is not a good off-ball scorer, he needs a thousand pick & rolls just to score. Even Tayshon Prince said it in a interview talking about LeBron offensive game compare to Kobe. He said playing LeBron, he's going to pick & roll you alot and that's his game. Kobe can score with/without the ball and has variety of go to moves. You're going to piss alot of LeBron fans off with this one lol
Kobe ? You mean this Kobe ? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bi6fftt43xo.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_y5jwt0brqk.html
They weren’t debatably a super team they were a superteam. Remember . When lebron put that team together they were the favorite to win the title. That’s why I give him that he beat a 73-9 team no one thought the warriors were better before the season started
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!! Everyone forgets that the cavs were the favorites to win the title in 2016 because THEY WERE A SUPER TEAM. You don't get extra credit for being down 3-1, especially when the other team has injuries.
Great vid. It highlights statistically what my eyes tell me. Which is lbj is great qmd he is gonna be great at the expense of people around him. Because he focuses on a LeBron centric game plan to pad his stats instead of working on team chemistry
Thank you! I've been literally commenting this shit under your videos and other big RU-vidrs to finally put this information out there for years. He is not a pass first player and he only makes spite of shooters better. Everyone else drops in production and efficiency.
That whole “he’s a pass first player” narrative is all bullshit that his media team like to drive to make it seem like he can score even though that’s “not his game”. A pass first player wouldn’t be top 5 in field goal attempts 12x and 16x in the top 10.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx oh I know. Believe me. I literally been commenting this stuff under all these RU-vidrs since like 2019 and this is the first guy to actually make a video about this.
@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly yea me too, I’ve watched his whole career so I’ve seen a lot of stuff that goes unnoticed that he does. Yea he’s the only one I’ve seen make a video about this as far as I know, too bad others won’t even acknowledge this let alone make a video about it due to fear of getting hate from those LBJ fans/losing viewers. They can’t stand the truth.
Alright while I agree with this video and the point you are trying to make. The flaw in this video is everyone who was a number one on their team will eventually have to sacrifice something. Ray Allen went from the 3rd option in Boston to the 4th with the Heat. Jamieson came off the bench. Bosh and Love weren't going to get number one touches being the 3rd option. I don't care if they played with Magic. What would have strengthen your argument is the type of shots these guys were talking. Like Bosh and Love shooting off the dribble, how many post ups they had, etc.
Name one player whose games suffered playing with either Magic or Bird. The number of players whose games suffered playing with Lebronis in double digits.
@@jimmulcahey9312 Dennis Johnson, Bob McAdoo, Mycheal Thompson, Norm Nixon. Those Lakers and Celtics teams had mostly young guys who came in a stayed so you don't know how they would have played before. Outside of the guys I mentioned.
@@Jburneyjr I agree...and somewhat disagree....Bird always said that DJ was the best all around player that he ever played with, and Ainge said that DJ would also communicate - in some shape or form - that he was going to in a scoring mode or not, so they would adjust accordingly. Bird was the most talented but he was a team player..if he saw that McHale had the hot hand, he would feed him, and so on...As far as the next 2, they were being brought in to do a role, but it was a role that they could do : Riles wasn't trying to fit a square peg into a round hole...Norm Nixon : the Lakers moved him on when they realized that Magic HAD to have the ball in his hands, and that you couldn't have two ball dominant guards. BOTH Magic/Bird knew where their teammates liked the ball, and how to hit them in those spots OR manipulate the opponents' defense to get them open. Magic has always talked about how he sacrificed a lot of his scoring so his teammates could eat. I wouldn't put Lebron - along with some others - on their level.
Lebron does not make his teammates better, he makes them BATTER. He adds them together, mixes them up, puts them under intense heat, makes them rise up, then they cool down and he eats them.
What are Kevin Love number without Lebron recently if his number decrease with lebron and if he left his number should increase Guy like Kevin Love and Bosh can increase and decrease as main guy so its noticable production will dip as 3rd option
The point is if Lebron is such an amazing passer which the media always says why are Both and Love the 3rd option? Why couldn't both continue the numbers they had on their previous teams while Lebron sacrificed scoring for increased assist?
@@Loyalty850 It's not about scoring as much as the 1st option. It's about the 3rd options numbers falling off a cliff. When KD went to the warriors and klay became the 3rd option his numbers actually increased. When MJ came out of retirement Kukoc won 6th man of the year had his best season ever. Name a 3rd option that improved with Lebron?
@@62lceaser In Warriors KD number went down significantly to a point its been lowest since his rookie season same for Steph it went from 30 ppg to 24 to 26 Also Klay number didn't increase that's big ass lie man score 22 ppg like he did previous season and in next season as KD increase scoring load Klay went to 20 ppg in 018 In Warriors you could say "second option" took "cliff" from 30 PPG To 24 PPG did KD cause that ? No Loooool it's all about scheme Also like I said some third option in Lebron case like Westbrook in this year or K Love in Timberwolves or Bosh in Toronto really inflate there number because they are in bad team especially Westbrook
@@traguy2625 Last time I checked 22.1 to 22.3 on increased efficiency and less shots is an increase lol. No lies told buddy. Secondly you don't seem to get the difference between your numbers dropping due to a lesser role to dropping off a cliff because your entire play style had to change. Kevin Loves rebounds and efficiency got worse. Why rebounds? Because he went from playing in the paint to a spot up shooter. Steph and KD got lesser shots which is natural. But they didn't have to completely reinvent their games like Love and Bosh did. Notice Lebrons 3rd options are the only ones who get heavily criticized. First Bosh then Love now Westbrook. Why? Not because they get less shots. No it's because they now have to play completely out their comfort zone.
I agree for the most things u said about KLove remember he got skinner when got to Cleveland and his post moves were not nearly as good that was why he didn’t even dominate when Lebron left
@ Mamadou Barrie How can Love have the opportunity to dominate when Love had been injury-prone? Ever since LeBron left, Love only played in 155 games...
Great video. I wonder if those who think he makes his teammates better can explain why the Lakers gave up young players to get AD and then an aging Westbrook. This video proves those players weren't bad for me they were young and developing. If Lebron does what people say he does the Lakers wouldn't have given up so much bringing in an injured prone AD, I think Carmelo is ok and gave up so much for Westbrook who should be an example for this video(I haven't done any research but I'm assuming his triple double numbers went down and his turnovers are the same or worse).
If Lebron actually played in a more conventional offense he probably could make guys better but his system is literally set up to boost him and you just have to fit in … that’s why he always have those lame duck coaches who won’t really challenge him or change much of the offense
LeBron didn’t go to college, he kinda has that ego from a high school kid. He doesn’t know how to be a vocal leader. He feels like “I have to do everything myself.” When he could actually bring out the best in his teammates. He had potential to be the goat but he just didn’t put the work in to develop his other skills. He can only play one way, in the LeBron James system.
I don't care what level you play even if you even played organized basketball at all and just at the park. It's a rhythm game. Most people that play cannot get off the bench, stand in the spot and start hitting shots. It's very hard. Most people need to feel the ball dribble take a couple shots in rhythm. Not get told to stand in a corner and I'll give it to you when I give it to you.
These aren’t your everyday average joes. These are NBA players, and they get paid to play basketball. If you can’t come into a game as a pro and hit a three. You belong overseas or somewhere else. Especially in this league if you can’t shoot you are gone.
In Lebron's system the PG and the Center usually struggle. The PG because he not allowed to do his job (get assists, control the game/tempo), because Lebron wants to be the PG The Center because Lebron system don't call for post up players, but only catch and shoot 3 point players, so the Big/centers don't get many touches unless they can create off the dribble like AD
If you're a (Moe Williams, Kyrie) ball handling iso scoring guard. You can get "better" playing with LeBron bc he wants you working while he rests on court. Everybody else.. nah Spot up shooters are thrown outta rhythm bc LeBron fires awkward passes to guys who aren't even open, yet demand they shoot (Korver).
@@Unknown-User44 Dust off his winning %.. How many close games vs bad teams? Long playoff series vs weak teams. His career was all super team stacking in a weak Era. 20 years, less rings than MJ.
Whether or not he makes a player better depends entirely on their and play style. If it's someone like Chris Bosh, who went from being the number 1 option on a bad team to being the 3rd option in Miami.... of course his numbers would drop. Same goes for any players who are at their best with the ball in their hands. If you take a creator like Jordan Clarkson and try to make him a jump shooter, that's just not conductive to his play style. On the other side, guys who can shoot or do a lot of movement without the ball can thrive playing next to LeBron because he's a great passer. So I would say he makes shooters and role players better. Ball-dominant scorers or stars sacrificing touches will see their numbers drop playing next to him.
“[Former Pacers’ GM David] Morway was trying to get me to trade for them [J.J. Hickson and a selection of other teammates of James], but I ain’t takin’ any of them fucking guys up there,” Lowe said, quoting Larry Bird from Ian Thomsen’s book, The Soul of Basketball. “I said ‘you don’t understand son. Them guys playing with LeBron James look a whole lot better than what they really are.'”
Great video! A couple elements that were unaccounted for were player injuries as it relates to their dip in production like D Wade and Kyries knees. Chris Bosh heart condition. And a dip in scoring isn’t evident as to if a player has improved or not for example KD with the warriors averaged less than he did in OKC but he may have actually improved his understanding of team basketball and basketball IQ. And the pressure that comes along with playing with lebron the constant spotlight and media attention which we now know affected Kevin Loves mental health which affected his play on the court. On the other end many of these players never even went far in the playoffs (Kevin love, Bosh, AD, Kyrie) but won championships with Lebron and haven’t done anything impactful since. Also, the players that got max contracts after playing with Lebron. There are so many more elements than just scoring that showcases a players improvement.
That's just basketball man players have bad shooting seasons and some players are going to get more touches than others that's just the draw back of being the 3rd wheel of a big 3 but shots should be easier so percentages you think should increase even if the attempts decrease right?
This is why the team falls apart when he is on the bench or just straight out left the team. The team's very purpose is to compliment lebron so if lebron is not present there is nothing to compliment.
I feel like Lebron is more of my selfish player then people think I mean yeah he gets the assists but I mean he did have the 3rd best shooting Guard of all time on his team being Dwyane Wade and had Chris Bosh to I mean so if you have me he don’t make anyone he’s played with a better over player makes them better shooters somewhat but not better players he went to teams that had players that where already good or great I mean the only star I would say is Kyrie and not even then cuz he put of 26 points in Boston and played great for Brooklyn so I mean I would say no he doesn’t make players better
He make his team better kinda because he put them in a winning situation nd help his team get a bag .. he never turn wade into a shooter !! But bosh idk we acting like he was that bad man drop 6 point on 2/half less shot .. Kevin love when they figured out how to guard him .. felt like bron made him worst nd d wade my favorite player all time nd don’t think bron made wade do sum he didn’t want to go !! Kyrie was a bucket nd dwade was a buckets bosh was decent but never develop a great post games . Kevin love post games wasnt all that plus never finish at the rim never aggressive .. so it’s 50/50 ig
0:54 Thats funny you say he didn't have any all-star help at that time in his career considering that Jokic also didn't have any all-star help on his team but that didn't let that stand in his way.
Popovich figured it out. You just don’t collapse on lebron. You get someone on him who can at least slow him down, you then cover his shooters. If you force him to shoot you’ll end up with a series win
Can't look just at scoring as many of the great players were the first and in many cases only options without Lebron. However everyone that plays with Lebron ends up as a role player and many of their skills aren't used properly. Realistically if you really want Lebron to succeed you can have one other all star caliber player and the rest need to be 3 and D role players. The main issue with Lebron is that he isn't able to get the most out of his teammates in a productive manner. While some stats will go down (there is only one ball to go around) overall intensity and teamwork tends to go up when playing with some of the all time greats. While Scottie Pippen could have scored more without Jordan, Scottie's level of defense and intensity were top notch. The same could be said of Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics. Even with some players today such as Giannis and Doncic you see them getting the most out of their team even if the most doesn't show up on the stats sheet.
The answer is yes and no If your a spot up shooter,slasher, or part time play maker it's a clear yes. If your a fulltime playmaker who needs a good share of the ball to get a good rythm going than the answer is no. A lot of the guys mentioned here didn't have a lot if any success deep into the playoffs before or after lebron.
The thumbnail is misleading. Kevin Love was the focus of the offense in Minnesota. That's why he got 26 PPG. When he was traded to the Cavs, he became the third option, behind James and Irving.
@@Christopher._M Love has no regrets though. He did whatever it took to put him and his team in a position to compete for a championship. Just last week, Love told the world: "I don't want to project what he may or may not want to do, but where our team is trending and how we're set up to win for a very long time and how much you know, Cleveland and Akron and all of Ohio loves him. It'd be great to get Bronny [James] over here too and then we'll call it a day."
Personally I think that that is a tough question to ask in it’s simplicity. What I mean by this is…if you ask does LeBron make his teammates better individual players or does LeBron make the team he’s on better in Totality. In order to answer both of these questions we would have to look at the guys as well as the teams that he has been on. As a rookie he was drafted on a team that had a lot of young soon to be stars. However their youth usually prevented them from winning games. When LeBron came to the Cavs he elevated their success as a team and each player played harder with him as a teammate. And the Fact that the Cavs went from a number one lottery pick to an NBA finals appearance with the presence of LeBron is enough to prove that he tends to make teams more successful. And then he left Cleveland to join a super team in Miami and he did this without delivering his promise of giving Cleveland it’s first championship. When he got to Miami he made a big ordeal out of winning not one,not two, not three, but eight straight championships. Only to loose the first chance he got on this super team. It was at that point that he changed as a player and as a man. He became more ball dominant and he became more difficult to stop. The guys around him began sacrificing their own stats to feed LeBron. And in return LeBron gave Miami a world championship and then a second. Now the question then becomes does he make the guys around him better players. The answer to that would be no in fact the guys around him all dipped in stats but they won rings. When he left Miami they were a shell of what they were with LeBron. That’s when he decided to go back home to Cleveland and once again try to win its first championship. He managed to handpick guys around him that were talented but would sacrifice for him and his quest for championships. It was that point that he did deliver Cleveland its first championship and that team would barely be a playoff team without him. However each of those Teammates ended up dropping an individual stats. You can also look at the fact that each team LeBron has been on has never won a championship after he left. Now he is in Los Angeles he’s in Laker and they did not make the postseason. He’s surrounded himself with older players that were individual possible Hall of Famer‘s. He had one decent season where he won a championship in the bubble. Other than that you’re his time in LA has been nearly a complete failure. This is exactly why we cannot mention LeBron’s name when it comes to the greatest of all time. I think it is fair to say that him maybe in the top 10 conversation. However I have Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant Magic Johnson Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Oscar Robinson your Russell Isaiah Thomas and others above him simply because they found a way to win regardless of who was on your team.
If I'm MJ's best teammate, I'll take winning 6 for 6 World Championships, a Gold Medal in the 92' Olympics, my # retired by the Chicago Bulls and 2 HOF inductions I never would have gotten had I not played with him! 2 messages in 1 there, 1 for Scottie Pippen and 1 for the lechoke fans who just don't get it that Michael Jordan is the Best Basketball Player Ever!
You are the man! He don’t make his teammates better… he need teammates that can play on his system in which he looks better…. Reason why we saw a lot of transfers/changes of players during his whole career. If you don’t play well on his system you’re out!
Lebron making players better is one of the biggest media created myths! They fail to name one player he made better! (Players stats go up without him!) just like he can guard the 5! Let's see him guard Embiid, Jokic, or Giannis! Not guard non-scoring 5s! The NBA and the media had to create some kind of hero after Jordan! But they've really taken it too far!
@Jay Bird Just because he can't guard the best big men of his era...that does not mean he can't guard big men. Players efficiencies go up playing alongside him. Players are having their Top 3 highest season efficiencies when playing alongside him.
@@MistahUnknown only cause they're taking less shots having to play in his system where he can get his numbers. As far as guarding big men, I already stated: the only big men he can guard are non-scoring, don't shoot much big men. I'll remind you that when he played the 5, they got killed on the boards and killed in the paint giving up points. And that wasn't against the premier big men. Name one player who's stats went up while playing along side LeBron! I'll wait.
@@jaybird8192 ["only cause they're taking less shots having to play in his system where he can get his numbers."] Taking less shots has no correlation with the increase of their shooting percentages. The common denominator here is that they were LeBron's teammates when they had some of their most efficient shooting seasons of their entire careers. ["the only big men he can guard are non-scoring, don't shoot much big men"] He can guard big men out on the block and short corners. When they put their backs against his chest and back him under the rim, he's vulnerable there. Aside from that, he can play the 5. ["Name one player who's stats went up while playing along side LeBron! I'll wait."] Mo Williams shot 3 out of 5 of his best eFG percentages while playing alongside LeBron. He happened to become an all-star in one of those 3 seasons. Delonte West's second highest eFG percentage (53 percent) was when he was LeBron's teammate. 4 out of 5 of Anderson Varejão's highest eFG percentage was when he was LeBron's teammate. 4 of Daniel Gibson's highest eFG percentage was when he was LeBron's teammate. 2 out of 5 of Larry Hughes' best eFG percentages was when he was playing alongside LeBron. 3 out of 5 of Drew Gooden's highest eFG percentages was when he was LeBron's teammate. Sasha Pavlović's 4 highest eFG percentages was when he was LeBron's teammate. 3 out of 5 of Damon Jones' highest eFG percentages was when he was LeBron's teammate. Ira Newble's highest eFG percentage of his career was when he was LeBron's teammate. All of these guys played with LeBron at some point in his first 7 years in Cleveland. “[Former Pacers GM David] Morway was trying to get me [Larry Bird] to trade for them [J.J. Hickson and a selection of other teammates of James], but I ain’t takin’ any of them f****** guys up there. I said ‘You don’t understand son. Them guys playing with LeBron James look a whole lot better than what they really are.'”
@@MistahUnknown You still haven't named one player who's scoring stat's got better with Lebron! If you only take 6 shot's and make 3, that's 50% while Lebron is taking 20 shots! Chris Bosh went from 27 PPG to 17 playing with Lebron! Kevin Love went from 27 to 14! Say again how Lebron makes players better?? Again name a player who's scoring avg. went up playing in the Lebron system! And Please, don't give me guys that were in the league for two minutes like the players you just named!
@@jaybird8192 ["If you only take 6 shot's and make 3, that's 50% while Lebron is taking 20 shots!"] A lot of his teammates take more than 6 shots and their percentage is still high. regardless of the amount of shot attempts they have, some of their highest season efficiencies were when they were LeBron's teammates. So who/what is the common denominator here? LeBron. It's LeBron and his great shot opportunities that he's setting up his teammates with. That's backed up with video evidence too. ["Chris Bosh went from 27 PPG to 17 playing with Lebron! Kevin Love went from 27 to 14!"] A common fact with them is that they knew they would be the teams third options. According to all the podcasts where they've mentioned playing alongside LeBron, they don't seem to have any regrets because they knew they had to do whatever it took to win a championship. No championship team in NBA history ever had 3 players who averaged 27ppg (or more) on it throughout the regular season and the playoffs en route to winning a championship. There is a reason Klay never once averaged 23ppg (or more) in any of the playoffs that he's played in. Why is that? Because he was the 3rd option of the Warriors dynasty behind Stephen Curry and Kevin Durant. Those 2 will have a higher scoring average than him. It's just common sense. ["Say again how Lebron makes players better??"] By setting them up with some of the most efficient shooting opportunities that they've ever had in their entire careers when they were teammates of other stars. ["Again name a player who's scoring avg. went up playing in the Lebron system!"] Like I mentioned earlier, a player can make other players better without their scoring averages increasing. But to answer your question by naming a few off the top of my head: Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Sasha Pavlović, Malik Monk, JaVale McGhee, and Mario Chalmers have all played some decent amount of minutes as LeBron's teammate.
I think the issue is people saying Lebron makes his teammates better, not he makes his team better. It makes sense for a ball dominant superstar to take points from his teammates. Most players who are known for making teams better are great playmakers/facilitators, for example: Magic, Nash, Kidd and CP3. 👍👍
This video pretty much sums up the debate between who is better in my opinion, Jordan or Lebron. Although I think Lebron is up there, he is not on the level of Jordan. Watch the Last Dance and tell me Le Flop is better!!??
@ Michael Rooze It should also be noted that most players have their Top 3 [if not Top 5] highest season scoring percentages of their careers when they're his teammate...
@@MistahUnknownThats only because of his gravity, leaving players wide open. He is a good passer but players arent making all star selections based on their percentage. The ppg is more important.
@@michaelrooze278 All-Star selections are subjective. A superstar can make a player better without them making the All-Star game. LeBron uses his tools to create more efficient shot opportunities for his teammates than most superstars in NBA history. That's part of making his teammates better.
@@MistahUnknown I'm using "All-stars" as a reference to the top players in the league, and you are not addressing my point, that a player with higher ppg is considered better than a player with lower ppg but a higher pct. Let's say someone starts averaging 40 ppg, do you think it will make any difference to anyone if his percentage is less than average?
I think ppg isnt the right stat to analyze this, the biggest ones are efficiency which does drop with lebron, if the players fit his game it works, there cant be another star who wants the ball
This is a joke right? Of course player's numbers decrease when they go from being the #1 Option to being a #2 or #3 option beside LeBron. Look at Scottie's numbers when MJ quit/Retired, they increased imagine that. Using Kyle Kuzma as some sort of example is laughable.
Pippen's assists average actually went down. His ppg only went up 3 points. The players that switched teams and didn't play with LeBron their stats went up drastically when they were free from playing with LeBron. Ingram, Kuzma play like stars without LeBron. Kevin Loves ppg went down over 5 ppg when he teamed up with LeBron. LeBron can only help certain players up their game.
All the Bron fanatics must be in group therapy to handle their depression. They weren’t lying when they said they only watch basketball because of their hero. It’s awfully quiet from their folks in the comments.
@J C True. He doesn't seem to have any regrets according to the vibe I got from watching all the sports podcasts that featured him as a guest. According to news earlier this week, he wants LeBron and LeBron's son to come back to Cleveland and join him on the Cavaliers.
These are just common facts. bronsexuals will say he never has help, while saying he makes everyone around him better. When it’s CLEAR everyone who goes to play with him drops off massively. Kyrie was the only one who kind of staved it off and had to request a trade away from him.
He makes the game simpler. However, simpler isn't always better for individual teammates. Imagine if you hire a chef and ask him to only cook hot dogs...Or if you make an album with Chaka Khan but she only gets to sing background vocals and ad-libs... Yes it adds to the final product but it also minimizes the individual who is capable of so much more. Why? So everything is easier for LeBron to shine. That's why.
Lebron makes roleplayers with no star potential better but he makes Anyone who has potential to be more than a roleplayer worse if they aren't the second option.
Thats why Chris Paul, Kawhi, Durant didnt wanna play with him when it offered to'em. And Thats why Kyrie left him and thats why Love aint love him (pun unintented) :D
@ Utkan Aktaş How is that working out for them ever since those offers were made to them? Love literally wants him and his son to come back to Cleveland. Kyrie literally apologized to LeBron for leaving him hanging: “I had to call ‘Bron, and tell him I apologize for being that young player that wanted everything at his fingertips. I wanted to be the guy that led us to a championship. I wanted to be the leader. I wanted to be all that. The responsibility of being the best in the world and leading your team is something that is not meant for many people. … Only few are meant for it, or chosen for it, and I feel like the best person to call was him."
The thing that doesn't get discussed is that throughout LJs career, 47-48% of his field goals were assisted by temmates. This year it's 55%. With that, don't you think that it is arguable that it was his teammates who made lebron better and not the other way around. On the assists area, management always try to surround LJ with shooters throughout his career on top of all star teammates. Doesn't that jack up his career assists total as well? Again, teammates, reliable shooters making Lebron a better assist man - not the other way around.
Kyries increase in scoring is misleading. Kyrie for sure would’ve increased his scoring by far more than one point if he didn’t play along side lebron.. Kyrie would’ve been more likely around 26-27 ppg by then
Lebrons' main problem is his ego and selfishness. He cares more about him than the team., More about stats than the win. His flopping and need to call himself the GOAT is another big reason I'm not a big fan. And I'm sure many of his teammates and former probably would admit they rather not be on his team. LeBron has to have all the attention. True GOATs are humble(MJ, Gretzky,Brady,Trout, etc)
I've been saying this for years. Lebron doesn't make his teammates better. Look at all those young players he got blamed and traded on the Lakers. All those players are ballin now. Randle, ball, kuzma, Caruso, ingram. And that Cavs team was definitely a superteam. Love was the the best PF in basketball the year b4 he joined lebron. When lebron team wins he did by himself andales his teammates better. When he loses, he needs help and can't do it by himself.
Lebron doesn't make players whose strength is with the ball better, because his off-ball game is mediocre at best. That's why he doesn't make Westbrook better. See what happened in Miami. Lebron had Dwyane Wade available for playmaking, but Lebron didn't want to play off the ball or was not capable of doing it well, that's why Wade's assists dropped from 6.5/g to 4.6/g when Lebron joined. Lebron had Kevin Love available to do some playmaking, but Lebron didn't want to play off the ball or was not capable of doing it well, that's why Love's assists dropped from 4.4/g in Minnesota (highest for a PF that year) to just 2.2/g in Cleveland. Lebron had Kyrie available to do some playmaking, and Kyrie was at a point his numbers should have just been going more and more up, but instead his assists dropped from 6.1/g to 5.2/g once Lebron joined. On the other hand, Pippen's assists numbers dropped when Jordan retired in '93, going from 6.3/g the year before to 5.6/g, and then 5.2/g in '95, because he no longer had Jordan making plays and creating off-ball for him to make simple passes and get more assists. His assists then jumped back up once Jordan joined again in '96. That's the thing, Jordan made playmakers around him better by being able to play off-ball and actually utilize their playmaking abilities instead of relegating them to being spot up jump shooters, waiting for him to drive and kick all the time. People need to realize why Jordan's assists numbers dropped all of a sudden after Doug Collins left and Phil Jackson took over as the coach. Jordan was averaging 33/8/8 on 54% FG in just his 4th full season, playing under Doug Collins and playing ball dominantly all the time. Had he continued to play his career that way, it's perfectly reasonable to think he would have continued to improve on those numbers and averaged numbers like 37/10/10. Instead, Jordan began to play more off the ball, which dropped his assists numbers due to lower time of possession, but made his other teammates better by doing so as all they would have to do is make simple passes to Jordan or opportunities created for others as Jordan did all kinds of work off the ball to scramble the defense. In the Last Dance, Jordan talks about this, saying at first he didn't like Phil Jackson's gameplan because he wanted to take the ball out of Jordan's hands while Doug Collins wanted to always keep the ball in Jordan's hands. Had the ball always been in Jordan's hands though, he wouldn't have made players like Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, Toni Kukoc better, as they wouldn't have been able to utilize their strongest skills, they would have been relegated to being jump shooters standing around ala Kevin Love/Chris Bosh/Westbrook. Jordan would probably have been something like 3-3 in the Finals instead of 6-0 playing that way. People also need to realize, oftentimes the "creation" of a shot is done by the player off the ball, while the player with the ball just has to make the simple read and pass, and get credited with an "assist." This is why often Jordan's teams were at or near the top in team assists/g, whereas Lebron's teams have often not been high in team assists/g, because one person dominating the ball leads to less touches overall for other players on the team, hence why oftentimes Lebron, Luka, Westbrook, and Harden's teams have been low in team assists/g and team passing/g, because they have very high time of possession. Lebron was near the top or at the top in time of possession for many years. If Jordan was so selfish with the ball, it would not have been possible for the Bulls to be at the top of the league in team assists/g, they were able to be up there because he actually lowered his time of possession. The most casual way of viewing "making teammates better" is looking at a player's assists numbers without context. How about play in a way that gets assists for your teammates? Wade made Lebron better by being both willing and able to play off-ball, because he realized Lebron needed the ball in his hands, and Lebron couldn't make Wade better by playing off-ball. That's what really happened when Wade "gave the keys" to Lebron, he basically gave him the ball, because Lebron wasn't capable of playing true unselfish basketball, he's only effective playing selfishly with the ball in his hands doing everything with the ball. Being truly unselfish as a basketball player is playing in a way that allows your teammates' best skills to be able to be utilized, not relegating them to be jump shooters standing on the outside and forcing them to sacrifice their strongest skills to cater to your own strengths.
As far as Love and Bosh this criticism is flawed. They won cuz they had Bron. They wouldn’t have accomplished much else without him. Also any 3rd star numbers would drop being the 3rd star.
People don´t remember how good Bosh was before he joined Miami. He had been single handedly been carrying a pathetic Toronto team with the likes of Anthony Parker and Bargnani as his supporting cast, making the playoffs several seasons and averaging over 23 and 10 over five consecutive All-Star seasons. In 2010 He was coming off an All-NBA season where he was projected to be the most coveted free agent by far after LeBron, and was going to sign a super mega deal as a franchise cornerstone type. He was still really great with Miami but of course was relegated to a stretch 4 type, when his strength had always been scoring inside.
Wow years before this video came out, Chronicles Of Judah 144 called the same thing of calling LeBron similar to Wilt Chamberlain and saying "LeBron James System" 😳⛳️🏌🏾♂️🎯
Its yes & no...obviously some games are a better fit wth bron than with other superstars...that being said, the follow-up video shud be which players had more sucess with or without bron. Check the players' rings, finals appearances & impact they had on other teams. I did a cursory che & its a glaring difference in how those players after leaving bron helped/didnt help their new team reach finals or get a chip. PS...Playing with bron also got quite a few teammates paid. Check salaries apart from bron & with bron...dellavadova doesnt get paid unless hes clise marking steph in the finals...tristan thompson gets a big bump in $$....jr got his $$ to name a few.
Scottie benefited from watching Jordan's work ethic. No way Scottie becomes as good as he was on the Bulls without Jordan pushing him, and showing him the work ethic it takes. LeBrons gifts are mainly God gifted.
Occasionally I've seen glimpses that he does & while there's times I've given him credit, there's no obvious upgrade. Most good plays have been from chosen rosters with players already with some offensive skills. Shame tho is I've seen players get better at looking for James as he finally moves his lard ass toward the hoop. He's usually open due to players not keying on him cuz James gives up the ball & hangs out on the perimeter. Then darts to the rim as the D collapses on the ball handler for a dump off easy bucket. Opponents are afraid to touch James but not his mates. Of course then when they don't win, he can say he's not getting support. Fallacy is a lot of those misses directly go to James holding the ball too long & passing to teammates not in a good position to score with the clock running out. Yea, not making teammates better as a rule in my book.
He is a liability. He needed the money but if Lebron did 2 to maybe 3 yrs of college he couldve possibly been a respected top 5. Especially staying point guard
No. Never understood why people say this. Every player he plays with, either their stats go down or they become nonexistent in the league. It’s because they learned nothing while playing with him. I think Steph makes his players better over LeBron. Personal opinion
Among all "facilitater superstars" or among all "point forward superstars" and among all "offensive anchor type of superstars" LBJ is the worst when it comes to pull his team up to new heights. Everybody get nerfed. Cuz he need stats and he needs singleness to shine his own accolades.
Of course Kevin Love's ppg will go down with Kyrie and LeBron, LeBron was averaging 29-30 ppg during 2009 and 2010 before he went to Miami, players have different roles under different coaches and the rules change
Which is why Curry said he sees players that aren't being used correctly. All of a sudden Wiggins can hoop. Curry makes his teammates better. Dam Poole looking like mini curry. LeBron plays one way period and the best success he had was with pat Riley in Miami doing what Pat said to do.
