"You women are going to get mad at me out there..." You know it's going to be a classic quote when it's preceded with one of these. The word of the Lord.
Grapes is making a perfectly valid point here; women tend not to be paying as much attention to the dangers around them - and evolutionarily this actually makes sense. Just imagine where we are now as a society that men looking out for women’s safety and reminding them to be careful is seen as insulting. What it comes down to is weak men. If all men stood in unison in issues like this and didn’t say irrelevant crap like “everybody gets hit with pucks” or “not all women are absent minded about these things”, then women would just take it for what it is and move on. But the hubbub comes out of the fact that you’ve got men who are afraid of their wives and women in general who play the beta strategy and try to placate women’s egos to gain favour. It’s not like anybody is trying to limit their access to the game, we’re just looking out for them. I just saw a video the other day of a woman getting hit by a semi on the highway. She’s just walking down the middle of the road after she’d gotten out of her car for some reason, totally oblivious to the traffic coming from behind her. Again not all women of course, but on the whole it makes sense evolutionarily because women wouldn’t have been programmed through endless generations of dealing with predators to be as observant of their surroundings. And sure there are men who weren’t out hunting because they were suited to it, and so there will be men who have the same sort absent mindedness, but it’s not gonna be nearly as many and not nearly as pervasive. And if you want to complain that this is a wrong or evil (I can’t imagine the bad faith it takes to say it’s evil) argument; that’s fine. Nobody, not even grapes, ever wanted to keep a woman from being able to voice her opinions. And yet it’s you who wanted to get Cherry fired for himself having the wrong opinions which didn’t hurt or threaten anyone. Most people consider these views antiquated, but I would challenge anyone to a debate on this issue and easily show that it is a perfectly erudite position and that the alternative is completely fraught with contradictions and more questions than answers. It’s always the people who would ban their opponent from even being allowed to voice their opinion who complain that they’re being censored even though they never are. That’s the ultimate irony of all this. Find me one woman who’s been fired or censored or stifled in any way because she’s found herself at odds with Grapes’ opinions about women; they don’t exist. In fact I bet you can’t even find anyone who can say they’ve been personally affected by his opinions - you’d only find people who claim that his opinions harm peoples confidence in themselves in some nebulous way that could never be disproven Meanwhile Grapes gets fired, an all-time Canada an icon, whom were blessed to have still living and interacting with us to this day, for having an opinion people don’t like. Canada, especially Ontario, will forever be ashamed of itself for what it did to Don Cherry. And I don’t even think it was immigrants who caused him to get banned. It was women and beta males who think they know the best way forward, even though they know more people like Don than dislike him, and it was the weakling executives in broadcasting who feel the same way. These are a minority of people in this province and in this country who know that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and that the silent majority of people who love Cherry would be sufficiently threatened by the idea of being called a racist for supporting him to let him go down without any fight. Canada didn’t just lose Don Cherry; it lost its courage, it’s pride, and it’s humility.
It's true - annoying as heck.. I'm female, I get it. I usually have to watch games alone. Live or TV Do your chatting between periods. You just don't notice us cuz we're standing off in the corner quietly watching the game.
This is the Old Canada. I'm an American, but there's something about Old School Canadians you can depend on. The kind of guys you want in the foxholes with you.
that's what makes the Don Cherry and Ron Mclean segments so interesting and funny. The fact that don often becomes infuriated with Ron and Ron is always telling Don to tone down etc. is what makes for good entertainment.
Lol Don Cherry. The look on Ron's face at 0:01 is priceless, he knows whats coming. Another one of those rants to get Don in trouble. He's just an old fashioned guy who knows a lot about hockey but should probably shut his trap about everything else haha. Still love Don, just funny to see him get out of control and off topic and Ron try to drag him back and save him!
Not only hockey, but baseball too. & it's nothing new. I just listened to a recording of a Detroit-Yankees baseball game from 9/21/1934, the oldest existing complete game radio broadcast, & in that game, 76 years ago, a fan was struck by a foul ball & the announcer, Ty Tyson, mentioned that the "young lady" had to be carried out. She must have been yapping away, not watching the game! I immediately thought of this Don Cherry video. LOL. 76 years ago!
It is actually illegal in Canada to speak ill of this living legend. I know someone who was talking trash about Cherry on the street and the Mounties arrested him on the spot.
Of course you can. But if you disrespect somebody, it's not okay. I am glad that Don finally learned that there are consequences for his words. This what he is talking about women is just disgusting. I have zero respect for this guy.
This is a perfect example of what makes Don Cherry so popular. His willingness to speak his mind is a breath of fresh air in a society where people are so afraid of causing offense they filter everything they say.
I can't defend Grapes here. But on the plus side, everyone makes mistakes and I'm sure Rose gave him sufficient punishment after the cameras turned off.
He's just so right! Male fans ALWAYS keep their eyes on the puck at hockey games. They are NEVER focused on anything else. They don't talk, they don't cheer, they don't buy or eat anything, they are always 100% focused on that puck! Women NEVER EVER EVER look at that puck - I think it's hormonal....
i love cherry because no matter if hes on a public access show, espn or hockey night in canada he says what his opinion is and doesnt cower or muzzle himself when theres a national audience
and in the one case out of a hundred when it's a guy who gets hit by a puck, it's probably because he had to turn his and tell his girlfriend/wife/daughter "shut up and watch the game". the other solution is, of course, to be so poor, like me, that you can't afford to sit where the puck can reach you.
It's true though. The trick is to not let a woman sit beside another woman at a game because they'll sit there yapping away at each other instead of paying attention to what is going on on the ice.
Im a women. I dont get offended by this because I'm not one of "those" women.. Im a Die HARD BRUINS fan!!! But the women that go to the games all dolls up and dont even watch the game should get the hell out of there. There are plenty of people that would love to actually watch the game!!! Good point Don ... Brutally Honest as usual !! But wouldnt want him anyother way!!
Don Cherry has a good point, anyone who has been to a profesional or minor or junior hockey game knows that they announce more than once to 'watch out for the puck as it may unexpectedly leave the ice surface during play'
Hey, do you have a link to the episode that they play at the beginning of the song? I think I was the one after christmas '07. It's such an awesome song, I want to see the full clip, haha
I think he was saying what he said BECAUSE a woman got hit in the face with a puck AND WHAT he was saying WAS that "If [fans in general] are going to come to games, they should keep their eye on the puck."
@ Rola Ya.....when you watch TV do you always think that when people speak that they are talking at you directly? Did he call out your name or am I missing something lol. Me me me Syndrome, it's a pandemic. Someone needs to find a cure.
You know, Cherry is right, I had season tickets to the Saskatoon Blades back in the '90s and whenever someone was injured in the crowd by an errant puck, it was almost always a woman or a kid who was not watching the play. I can only imagine with everyone texting now it would be even worse if not for the netting around most arenas.
I agree. I'm female. I have nasty feminazi sisters you don't want to meet. Yap yap yap. the lawyer will sue if your puck comes anywhere near her aura The social worker one will file damages for emotional stress Yep... I usually end up sitting alone as the guys sit with the guys and the women want to yap I've seen lots of people get seriously hurt at lacrosse games - you're not always sure who's got the ball, Where it is Nor where it's going next And that ball hurts! If you're at lacrosse game and you see people wearing backpacks backwards, on their chests, you know why! Kids are seriously distracting at hockey games, the action's too fast. Kids belong at baseball games. You got time between pitches to tell them to "sit down and shuddup, eat your pretzel" without missing much. I assume I'm talking to another adult here - I don't really talk that way to little kids (too often 😁)
It seems that these days on HNIC, Ron Mclean is kind of like a member of the Canadian Senate. He doesn't really do that much on the job. Back when it was feared he was leaving the CBC, it was probably kept in mind that he was the only one who could successfully keep Don Cherry under control.
As a girl I agree sometimes, but I always go with my sis...and we yap- about the players, who's traded to who, which goalie was on what team and what his glove save is compared to etc. etc. But at the same time we pay attention and watch the puck.
Two kinds of people go to games, people there to watch the team play, and people that go because it's a fun night out and something to do they're there for the atmosphere the game is secondary to them. There are guys that are part of that second group, but it's mostly comprised of women.
I totally agree. Most women are talking or looking at something else. I, personally, am glued to the ice to the point that when I blink, it's because my eyes are burning.
I'm a woman and I agree whole heartedly. Sure men talk sometimes but not nearly as much as women, and more likely than not the women aren't even talking about the game. This irritates me to the highest degree. Most women aren't even buying their own tickets, their husbands or boyfriends are, so men if you know your woman isn't going to be watching the game don't bring them, it's a waste of money.
Yeah, big bad Don, always telling the truth. His only problem is how he delivers the message and that gets some people worked up (usually those that never played competitively, like most sports writers) Some women are hockey fans, but let's be serious,,, not all are. Don's accurate in his assessment. I was at a game last night with my 5 & 3 yr old boys. They watched the whole game, end to end. The women sitting around us were not that interested, good thing the puck didn't go in their direction.
Those of you, that are Don Cherry haters, understand this. He may have said it very simply, and with a wide brush.....that it is usually women that get hit with the puck, because they are not paying attention to the game. That was very simplified. Ron was correct in telling him that anyone can get hit. It is impossible to test the theory out now, because of the netting. I know from experience. When I go to the Joe (Joe Louis Arena) to watch the Wings, women pay half the attention men do.
It's just normal that kinds get french. Once they are adults, they can choose to go to any university. Laws to protect french in Québec has nothing to do with the federalist/souverainiste debate. It's well known and many things have been written on that subject
Wow Ron used to actually stand up to Don back then. Now he just let`s him ramble on. I Like Don, but sometimes i`d like to see Ron get up in his grill a little more.
I think it's also because they've become such close friends over the years. Ron probably softened up on him even though they are on opposite sides politcally.
I've been a sports official for 30 years. Don Cherry is absolutely right. Go to any hockey game or baseball game. Almost every person over 10 years hold who gets hit by a ball or a puck is a female. Cherry is right: it's because they generally have their eyes diverted from what is going on. The truth can be cruel sometimes.
You don't need to go to "cruel" - it's logical. a lot of females and kids are just going along for the experience to have fun they're not paying attention Dad wants to bring his son to the game, so he brings his wife to watch the son! I think the kids are more distracting - the mothers get distracted by the kids But that's how they're making money, that's who they're selling tickets to, why players can demand $10 - $12 million per season selling those tickets. Salary cap is based on NHL revenues Ticket sales to both fans and yappers go to NHL revenues. so they've got more netting and plexiglass up. And a team of lawyers who wrote a bunch of stuff in really tiny print on the back of the ticket It's not a gender thing so much is an interest thing But it's Bobby Orr's fault.. he's the one that brought chicks into hockey fan bases! I remember my sisters had their wall posters of that era - Bobby Orr and Mark Spitz. But even when I watch hockey games on TV I usually watch them alone. Cuz I'm female.. I don't want to get stuck with the girls, I was a goalie skills coach - I want to watch the game - but if I'm watching with a group of guys? it's sort of weird Chances are I'm going to end up in the kitchen serving their asses cuz I'm the only girl! So I just hang out with my husky Malamute... Sometimes he does his little dance and chases his tail when I yell "scoooore!" Life is so much easier and I enjoy the games more. With a dawg!
I hate the women who scream during a tense moment in a game....damn it drives me nuts....scare the hell out of me. They even mimicked it in EA NHL games.
i think extending the glass all the way up is a good idea--and not just behind the net, but all the way around the rink. not for safety, but because then the puck would never go out of play. Non stop action! But just imagine if one of them glass panels came crashing down. What a highlight that would make for ESPN or TSN.
At 13 I was at the forum with my dad and watched a woman get hit in the face with a Lemaire slap-shot. He had just drifted over the blueline and wired one just above Tony O and the glass....splat! She was spread-eagled. St Johns ambulance guys came over and stretchered her out..Lemaire left the ice and made his way under the stands to check on her. I always wondered how bad she was injured. Man, could Lemaire smack that puck.
The only sad thing about this video is that today in these times, Ron would get grilled for saying “both genders”. Could you imagine the rage by the left?
Sadly, we live in a world where common-sense is obsolete. Seemingly intelligent adults constantly need to be told what to do (& what not to do) and we have become completely reliant on stupid little devices to live our lives. It never fails to amaze me how far we've come in our lifetime with advances in technology yet people can't think anymore. They can't perform the simple task of paying attention to their surroundings while crossing the street. They are oblivious to everything going on around them. There was a young woman on a device in the metro in Montreal who wasn't looking up and actually walked right in between two cars as the metro was leaving. Instead of addressing the problem (the inability to function with a device in hand), the question the media asked was "how can we provide better safety measures so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again?"Seriously? Maybe they all belong in a bubble so that nothing can touch them and they can continue to give the rest of us something to roll our eyes at every day. Devices are a convenience but we abuse it to the point of selfish stupidity when we drive while texting (how many accidents are caused by that?). I often imagine a wonderful disaster that knocks out power to all satellites. Seriously, how many of us would even know what to do next? Unfortunately, we're not in that predicament. We have to find ways to make life easier for stupid people. What we could (and should) do is lock all signals in public places where any danger can be present. Hockey arenas are no exception. Just a few months ago, PK Subban's puck flew into the crowd and hit a baby (6 months old, I believe). What a mother was doing bringing a newborn to a hockey game is beyond me. That young and that close to the ice, not smart. They could have chosen seats way higher up where those kind of incidents don't happen. In any case, the baby appeared to be OK and PK was apologetic about it. Did the stand-up thing and made sure both mother and baby were good. When there's a baby in your arms, you need to be focused on them, not watching out for flying pucks, so never put yourself in a position where that can happen. This is common frigging sense. Besides locking signals in public places, we also need to lock signals in moving vehicles. - Sincerely, someone from the last era of common sense.
"my answer was supposed to me comedic. It wasn't meant to be taken so seriously." I don't think you would have said that if you hadn't lost the argument.
I was at a game in Springfield last night and a poor kid (couldn’t have been more than two years old) got nailed in the back of the head by a puck that got deflected into the stands…Don is absolutely right here
I find it painfully ironic that Don is talking about how women can't get in to games when he was the first coach in NHL history to allow female reporters in the locker room.
I agree with Cherry. I'm a hardcore hockey nut and one of the few broads who actually wants to watch the game. You've gotta stay alert or you'll get a puck to the head.
i was at a local outdoor rink this little girl was playin in net during a shinny game with nothing but a stick. i told her she shouldn't ten minutes later sticks colide in front of the net and the puck gets her in the face for stitch's.
People are mad at him, but it actually ended up happening. On March 18, 2002 Espen Knutsen took a shot that ended up being tipped and went straight into the crowd. A 13 year old girl, Brittanie Cecil, was hit on head and DIED. It virtually ended Espen's career and lead the introduction of more security features at games. However, according to law when you go to a game you know the risks being taken and injury or death are on the viewer. Paying attention is important when you're close to the ice and I do see more women than men distracted at games
That's like a one in a quadrillion chance it would happen. That is the definition of both an accident & tragedy parents put bicycle helmets on kids - they can put helmets on their kids if they're that concerned And I wouldn't blame a parent if they chose to do that.. get the kid a special little hockey helmet and they're safe. I don't think that's overprotective if you're going to get tickets that close to the action. Because you can always get tickets that are further back - nobody's forcing you to get that close to the ice
@jerbaz17 Let me put it in perspective for you. He is the Canadian equivalent of Rush Limbaugh except the hockey version. And in Canada we really dont have any controversial commentators.
This is absolutely true. Women go there yapping their lips off even talking on phones and miss the whole game. Not all women are like this but many are, now if it was a soap operah their eyes would be glued on it.
Ron Mcleans job with Don Cherry was to smooth over anything controversial Don said. This is a perfect example. Don speaks his mind and Ron does damage control lol. You may or may not agree with him on many of the things he says but he says what he thinks and thats why people tune in. Almost every broadcaster today is so busy being PC they have no opinions on anything.
