Don't Believe Miguel O'Hara's Lies... 

My guess is miguel genuinely believes his theory due to his PTSD

i feel like there were so many parts of the film hinting towards the fact that miguel is not correct

Another detail to consider, would Peter B. Parker having Mayday as a result of his bond with Miles not be breaking the canon in some way too? If Miles is an anomaly, and subsequently anything he influences is anomalous too, would that have not caused MANY other canon-breakings, taking into account the butterfly effect? Sorry for so many comments haha, this is just super interesting to me and I'm glad you've made a video pointing this out.

Knowing that Miguel’s life was filled with traumatizing events from comics, I feel like he’s just trying to find a reason why all of those bad situations happened to him. It’s easier for him and for other spiders to believe that all of those terrible events happened because they were supposed to happen, that it was their fate. So Miguel is definitely wrong. I wonder how he’s going to react to him being wrong and if he’s going to help Miles. It would have been kinda cool if Miguel was the one to save Miles’s dad as a redemption or something.

4:34 As well as this, that one interaction between Gwen and Miguel after Miles successfully escaped back to his original universe seems quite suspicious. When she asks Miguel something along the lines of "Do you even know for certain what would happen if he broke the canon?" and Miguel gets all defensive, while not actually answering her question.

One thing i don't see many people talking about is how when Miguel's world is crumbling it glitches/turns into glass as you said, but when Pavitr's World there was a big black hole, and i think this is because of the spot because before they go there Miles' mind gets "taken over" by the spot revealing his future, but i think he was also changing cannon. That's just my theory.

If you look closely at the scene where that Earth glitches out of existence, there are multiple spider-man trying to save people. Also, the spider-man you believe to be the original spider-man of that Earth is wearing a wristband, the same kind of wristband used to prevent people from glitching. This means that spider-man is apart of Miguel's spider society

My take is not that Miguel is hiding anything per se, though if he was, I'd say what he's hiding was that he doesn't completely know how the Multiverse works or is even sure how it can break. You pretty much pointed out my suspicion on what canon HE broke when he went to that other universe. Plus it was hinted that even he doesn't know what'll happen for sure if a canon is broken, cause when Gwen asked him, he only answered "Do you want to find out". That's not a yes or a no. I think Miguel still has some stuff to learn about the multiverse but is literally to scared to try anything to break a canon without destroying a dimension. So he just stopped looking into possible solutions, and kept it a secret to everyone to keep any other Spider-man from taking risks like Miles is. Basically he kept them hopeless and hold a fatalist mentality.

I was also thinking that for couple of reasons: 1) Saving someone's father is not the same caliber as HIJACKING SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE, tho dead persons life, he still took this version of Miguel personal life. 2) Miguel kinda acts like a Kingpin from the previous movie. He want to have HIS HAPPY LIFE, which leads to the catastrophic results. 3) And the biggest one....if by Miguel's logic events can't be changed...then He and Jess Drew shouldn't have help Gwen with her problems and Miguel shouldn't have taken every other Spider-man from every dimension, and by all acounts disrupting the CANON BECAUSE THEY SHOULDN'T INTERACT BY HIS LOGIC! So yeah....something is definitely fishy here. But here's my take....Miguel is just misguided, he just doesn't understand how Multiverse works. I feel moral of Beyond The Spider-Verse will be that Multiverse works in mysterious ways and it's not algorithm coded and designed to work as intended by one person. Miguel will realize that small changes are okay, but larger and selfish ones are the ones what causes the collapse of the world. As MJ said to Peter B. "There's no playbook, you just need to make so adjustments in half-time". I feel her speach was clue what outcome will be......

4:52 A very reasonable detail to consider, especially since in ITSV, when Miles meets the original Spiderman in his universe and their spidey-senses pick up on eachother, the colour scheme that surrounds Miles switches from a green and purple colour scheme(teasing the fact he was originally meant to be the Prowler in this universe) to a blue and red one, a visual indicator of the course of his life changing from that point onwards. Despite this, ITSV has no mention of Miles EVER being or being destined to become the Prowler, and this was only revealed in the next movie, ATSV.

I don’t think that Miguel is intentionally lying, but I think he’ll realize in the next movie that his canon theory is flawed and ultimately wrong. He’s misguided in his thinking because he’s taking “ with great power, comes great responsibility “ to an extreme level. Which actually is a very spider-man thing to do. Peter does it all the time in the comics

Amazing Spider-Man: “It's... It's all back to normal.” Spider-Man 2099: “The same here.” Amazing Spider-Man: “Okay, but, if the timeline snapped back to normal, if none of it happened, how do you and I remember it? I mean we got two different set of memories in our brain. Shouldn't that, I don't know, make us crazy?” Spider-Man 2099: “Crazy? We already dress in skin-tight costumes and fight bad guys for free.” Amazing Spider-Man: “Okay, crazier.”

Well there’s also the fact that Miguel doesn’t have a daughter in actual comic canon… he had a son. There is concept art in the art book of Miguel’s son but they switched it out for a daughter. If I wanna go on a limb here and say that if Miguel dying and not being a Spider person was that important… his death might be his daughter’s canon event… his daughter might have been that universe’s Spider person but bc Miguel never died she never became a Spider person

i think you've got many sound ideas, it is very likely miguel is wrong, some people believe what happened in numbattan isn't even the canon breaking, but perhaps spots causing it to happen, it would also make more sense given how it looks, versus what happened in Miguel's case. when i can't follow along, is when you correlate Miguel with Prowler, although it's clear it was on purpose for their themes to resemble each other, maybe even the colors in those brief frames, i only believe it's because they both served as side antagonists, and Miguel is, in a way, the fight Miles never directly had with Aaron, at least physically. but not only because of those things, but because you mentioned this correlation by also linking it to Miguel getting more upset at him being doubted to be a spiderman, and that's, honestly, i think because of insecurity. simply as that. see, the way Miguel gets his powers, in the comics, isn't by being bitten by a spider, but instead, by having his DNA modified with the spiderman genes; because this was tech still in development and without much testing, it didn't come out "quite right," instead he doesn't have spider sense, but has organic webbing that comes out of the top of his wrists, talons on the front of his fingers, and fangs that can inject venom; you can see why it is possible he'd feel insecure, or whatever else, that would make him angrier, as he is very, very different; and in fact, it's almost hypocrite of him to be so upset at miles for being an "anomaly" given that he is as well. i think he is wrong, but i don't think he's lying; he's not evil, he's a spiderman after all, he doesn't want harm, he genuinely means what he's trying to do, but his grief and pain is blinding him. he probably doesn't really understand if fully, which would make sense, after all the web we see there is the web of life and destiny, and it's far more complex than he thinks it is, and not as easy to break either. look it up, whole thing went down in the comics before this movie! neat video!

I feel like Cannon events are real but O'here doesn't truly understand.

I've also heard quite a few theories about Lyla being the one lying to Miguel, and subsequently, all the other spider-people about canon events. After all, she's the one providing Miguel with much of the information there is to know about the multiverse. Perhaps, she's hacked or is being manipulated by an outer force, or has somehow gained sentience.

Few things that aren't working too: 1-Why is a canon event happening in Mumbattan because of the Spot? I mean the police officer was about to die *because of someone who shouldn't have been there*. Does that means that Spot is part of the canon? 2-What if Miles' "police officer death" *already* happened? Gwen says that her mask is her sort of "badge", so it could be the same for the original Spider-Man in Miles' dimension. The dimension wasn't destroyed, so I guess it was a canon event too. And this Spider-Man is like "too perfect", I feel like it should have been Earth-01 or something, but no, it's Earth-1610! 3-I did not read any comic books, but I think the Spider-Peoples learns from that "police officer death event" to get stronger, so wouldn't capturing Miles and not letting him to *at least try* saving his father break the canon? That's just some of my theories, maybe I'm wrong but I love how this movie makes us get all those questions! Edit: also I believe Miguel O'Hara is a good guy, he's just wrong about the multiverse. lol

We gonna ignore that Alchemax is what caused the anomaly? Miles basically just got caught in the crossfire.

What if Miguel isnt just a Spiderman, he is actually a Captain. For the Spider Society he is basically a Inter-dimensional cop, and his serious demeanor is way closer to the police captains we see in the film (all three of them), rather than the jokey spidermans. His world breaking he might think is because the canon event he violated is having the Police Captain be alive (by replacing him), which would explain why he might think the lack of a Police Captain death alone is threatening to a reality.

Ohh yeah that comment about the claws really upset Miguel. I mean Gwen called him out earlier in movie for being sensitive. considering that Miguel’s berating of Miles about being an anomaly serves no purpose, but to make Miles feel bad. I can only assume Miguel is projecting his own insecurities about his roll as a Spider-Man. He already says he feels alienated from the other spider people when he talks about ‘not being like the other’ when he’s monologuing at his desk.

Miguel seems to have experienced the worst case scenario in Multiversal travelling situations but has rationalised it as the only outcome of messing with canon events

There are quite a few videos arguing that Miguel O'Hara is lying, but finally seeing one noting the difference in artstyle between the two universes "breaking down" is refreshing. Also worth noting, these two artstyles aren't random : the "glass" style is similar to the glitches that happen to those who stay outside their universes (coherent with what happened when the Synchrotron fired in ITSV), while the "blackhole" style is characteristic of the Spot. My theory is that the universe O'Hara was in collapsed because he failed to stop the Synchrotron from being activated, and what happens in Mumbattan is simply the fault of the Spot.

I think it’s not that Miguel is withholding information about himself and/or canon events, it’s that he doesn’t know as much as he thinks he knows. I feel like all of his motivations for doing what he does in the movie are pretty clear cut, and it doesn’t really seem like there’s anything off about them. Like, if you really think about it, everything he does is pretty reasonable. Dude genuinely believes that letting Miles go will result in the death of millions, so violently going after him feels justified when you consider that. I personally just think it’d be cheap to have him as a compelling antagonist with reasonable motives in this movie, to a straight up lying villain in the next. Just doesn’t seem like that’s the the path their gonna take with him.

The combination of colors on Miguel was a really nice detail! I hadn't noticed it before. Previously I just correlated those colors to Prowler as he has that exact color scheme. But in another sense it could mean something different. In this scene specifically, it happened right after Miles questions Miguel being Spider-Man, so it could simply symbolize how Miguel is as much as an anomaly as Miles is as he also takes up the mantle of a previous Spider-Man and didn't get his powers in a "conventional way"(at least as conventional as it happens in most versions of a Spider-Man origin we've seen lol) I don't think Miguel is purposefully lying, though. He is wrong, no doubt. But at least with the information we got on this movie, for me it just feels like he's having "tunnel vision". He's only seeing one solution for a problem that he himself doesn't fully understand how it happened. Miguel was already traveling the multiverse way before the destruction of the universe he mentions. In fact, in that scene we can see MULTIPLE Spider-Men in that reality, which weren't glitching like the rest of the universe and seemed to have that device on their wrist that protects them and allows multiversal travel. One of said Spider-Men was Peter B, so it's a no brainer that many of them would be hesitant at the idea of "changing the natural order of events" since they saw the risk firsthand. But the fact that Miguel already had a team ready to act is what's curious. Means he was already recruiting spider people, possibly with the idea of solving issues on the multiverse such as the villains being thrown into the wrong dimensions already in mind. This implies that Miguel might already have been studying this kind of thing for a while to try to come up with a conclusion of why everything is happening as it is. Now, being aware of the idea that messing with the multiverse can have catastrophic consequences? That's fine. Because it really is as we've seen with Kingpin and The Spot, as examples. That doesn't mean that Miguel and the others fully understand the rules behind what can break an entire reality. And yeah, if the dead Miguel variant wasn't Spider-Man, then Miguel would just be a background character in that world. His existence SHOULDN'T interfere with canon events. That said, Miguel might really have ended up doing something more severe than just taking the place of his dead variant. Or... There is some other thing that causes this. Renaissance Vulture made Gwen's reality glitch just by leaving the museum. What, you're gonna tell me that there's a canon event that requires spider people to fight a Vulture from another dimension and defeat him in a museum? That's... Oddly specific. But Miguel might be too blinded by the risks they could be taking if he eases up a bit on his belief of canon events being absolute. Be it guilt or some other factor, he just can't allow himself to see the bigger picture.

I like to think that Miguel's death would have been investigated by someone who would connect it back to Alchemax (where i think Miguel worked in the comics, iirc). The universe falling apart seemed more like Kingpin's collider than the aftermath of saving Singh. Him playing house prevented that investigation from happening and let the collider go unstopped.

You kno, him replacing the place of his dead version is creepy. Not to mentions he watches other dimensions. That's stalking in my opinion.

Have similar issues. Why someone like The Spot being everywhere he is not supposed to be and create lots of mess without blowing up the entire universe, while Miles just saved one person over this, does.... Hard to accept this setting.

Also, Mumbattan as a whole didn't actually glitch until Jessica's portal activated. Before then, only the building inside Spot's portal was glitching out, and even the glitching caused by Jessica's portal was extremely brief.

The true moral of this story is that some things are not set in stone, but that you should never listen to the words of a super edgy red and black oc who doesn’t know what he’s talking about in the first place.

2:17 I think that it acts as a butterfly effect, whereby a seemingly small and insignificant event goes on to have a large impact. The small and insignificant event in this case being, Miguel continuing to live, even in a universe where he isn't Spiderman. Maybe him staying alive had some sort of ripple effect on a canon event that would directly impact that universe's Spiderman.

I think that Miguel's daughter was supposed to become that universes Spider-Man because that universes Miguel is like the uncle Ben, he needed to die in order for Gabriel to become Spider-Man.

I feel like the entirety of Earth-42 still being in tact despite the fact Miles G. Morales never getting bitten should say a lot about how wrong Miguel is. Like, the Spider never bit Miles-42, henceforth breaking the canon, no?

its really not clear whether he is lying or just himself misinformed, but there's no satisfying way for him to be right

Not sure if this is noted in the movie, but Captain Singh would not have even been in danger if not for the existence of Spot. Spot only exists because he accidentally brought spider 42 into 1610’s dimension and because Miles became Spiderman. If no miles, then no collider incident. If no incident, then no spot. If no spot, then no chaos in Mumbatten on that particular day, no chaos, no captain singh at risk. Wouldn’t that have disrupted the canon if Spot had not been there?

Also, miguel doesn't have a spider sense, at the start of the movie, he doesn't sense the vulture when it hits him.

A major detail I've seen everyone completely ignore regarding his "lies", he's not doing it to lie to them he's doing it because he genuinely believes their respective universe will end if they don't adhere to the Canon. He literally watched his family die again when he replaced the miguel that died in the universe he went to so he feels responsible for that and doesn't want anyone else to go through what he did. Its misguided because he believes he caused it but its definitely coming from a good place Edit: nvm you're the first person that I've seen mention it

So my theory is this. I think Miguel is partly right that you can't prevent a canonevent. But only at the point of the canonevent. But you can break or change the line to the point of the canonevent and stop the canonevent itself. The best proof for this is Miles and his universe as well as Earth-42 itself. Miles G. Morales should have become Spider-Man in his universe, which is possibly the greatest canonevent. However, he was never bitten by a spider, which in this case is the line to that canon event. Because the spider bite alone is not enough that one is and becomes Spider-Man. ITSV shows that. So if you can't stop a canonevent under any circumstances, Earth-42 and 1610 shouldn't exist anymore.

I feel he’s blinded by grief and is mislead but idk, if he goes absolutely feral going after miles again I don’t mind him being a villain or at least antagonist

wasn't there also a part where miguel mentions that he 'had to work' to become spiderman? or isn't gifted with typical spider person traits?

Miguel killed his variant, and the daughter was supposed to become a spider hero

The prowler colors may be Miles' perception. Miguel was coming at him pretty much the same way Prowler did, claws and all. The music does sound similar though. Miguel skipped a lot during his explanation. We, the audience, may miss all the left out details because we've been primed to expect the short version of the origin stories. Sneaky sneaky.

Not to mention the specific focus on Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man who’s captain Stacy didn’t die protecting a kid from falling rubble🤔

3:34 I think people are forgetting something in this scene. People keep saying Pavitrs world is collapsing because of the cannon or from Spots holes, but I'm pretty certain it's neither of those. We just saw Spot go to Alchemax and successfully use the collider. But in the first movie, the goal was to stop the collider, and Earth 1610's original Peter was pretty specific about why: "It would create a black hole under Brooklyn." It's a bit anticlimactic, but I'm pretty sure what's happening in Pavs world is just a result of the Collider going off, creating a black hole in Mumbattan. Maybe I'm wrong though, who knows

I think Miguel's reaction to the "Are you _sure_ you're spiderman?!" crack is a hint at his (numerous) insecurities. Miguel, I think, _knows_ he's not any less anomalous as a spider-person than Miles.

There's also the fact that he mentions he's sacrificed too much. He is a person that needs canon event theory to be true or else he won't have a purpose. He needs a reason for what he's doing. In Mumbhattan the black stuff was already covering Alchemax before Miles breaking canon, the same stuff started spreading creating the void after the building landed at that spot.

I find it super interesting that the dimension disruption that Miguel experiences is visual far different from the literally hole left by the Spot. I believe his needing to be right is making him overlook specific facts

Here’s my take on Miguel breaking the canon. Out the gate, the death of the Miguel from the reality where he was supposed to die mirrors Uncle Ben's death very closely. They both attempt to stop a robber from stealing something or hurting someone, and end up killed in the same way: gunshot wound to the chest. Personally, I think that Miguel's daughter or someone close to that version of Miguel was going to become the Spider-Totem (catch-all term for people with spider powers) and that was their “Uncle Ben moment,” much like Uncle Aaron's death and Peter Parker's death for Miles. It’s a moment that’s supposed to teach that Spider-Totem (if they didn’t already know it) that with Great Power must also come Great Responsibility. In most versions of the classic Spider-Man origin, Uncle Ben's death is caused by Peter's own selfishness and immaturity, so his Uncle's death is supposed to shock him into being more responsible and noble. Because Miguel took the place of the Miguel who died, that Spider-Totem never learns their lesson on responsibility, and as such never become the hero who saves the world from utter destruction, which is why that universe fades away in the first place. So, the main Miguel stopped a teaching moment for that universes version of the Spider-Totem, and stopped them from becoming a proper hero, unlike Miles, who had already learned that he can’t save everyone, so the death of his father would be a pointless tragedy.

The police captain thing seemed weak anyway because the movie showed the scene of Toby's uncle Ben dying but in the Raimiverse there wasn't a police captain Toby was close to that died. But the movie explicitly mentions a captain Peter is close to dying

Great vid. Couple things to add: 1) Miguel is definitely hiding / lying about something. The things he says are proven wrong almost as he says them. We see the hole open in Mumbatten, and we see the spider team show up and they don’t seem too worried. If all it takes is a little tlc to close the hole, that’s a far cry from a universe shattering the way MoH describes. 2) Peter B is also in on whatever Miguel is on about. He knows more than Peter, but maybe not everything. Miguel hints at this with the “isn’t that right, Peter?” Throw away. 3) I’m not convinced that the Spider Society really knows what’s up either. If they know whatever secrets Miguel hides, why would Lila lie to cover it up? Whatever O’Hara is secreting, I don’t think the AI knows. If they did it would mean all the SS including Lila is rotted.

I think what happened in Mumbattan was actually the Spot’s doing as somewhat of a collateral effect. What Miguel is saying also could be a hypothesis going from what he has experienced. Maybe he doesn’t even know all of the details

Another theory I have is that in the universe that his other self died in, if it is breaking the canon by replacing him, that must mean that he could've been the spider in that universe's (the one shown in the hologram) Uncle Ben of sorts.

i think the movie just goes to show how hard making a multiverse can be, it’s not a bad movie at all but it kinda shows how holes are created in the different representations of characters and events

Remember in ITSV how Dr. Olivia Octavius said that if they fired the collider another time a giant black hole would open under Brooklyn and cause some space time shit? I think that's what happened in Mumbattan, thanks to Spot activating the collider- so it was not due to a broken canon event

I think you just spoiled beyond the spiderverse

He mentioned Spider-Man: No More Home where three Spider-Man (who don’t glitch onscreen maybe because of magic but that feels lazy, could just be because it’s made by different teams) fight their respective universe villains together and change their predetermined outcome, saving them from death. It could just remain a cameo but we at least know that Donald glover is the uncle of miles in both films, and possible the prowler depending on how it goes.

Now I just can't wait to see the next one. Thanks for this vid mate! Keep it up🕷

What if Miguel's daughter was supposed to be spider man and her Canon event was miguel dying

You're ignoring the most glaring detail. Every move Miles makes after being bitten should break canon. Miguel is prepping for a war. He needs the spider-people to go through their canon and become the best versions of themselves.

The answer to the truth about why Miguel is doign what he is doing, could perhaps lay in one of the most recent comic runs of Spider-man 2099. Those comics were dominated by a story-arch of Miguel trapped in the present trying to restore his future. We all forget that Miguel is from the future, that the reality he adopted... was a future-based reality... That reality ceased to be for some reason, and its likely he is trying to restore it... Or to put it more bluntly, if there is no spider-man in the past of earth 42, the reality Miguel adopted cant exist.

Extremely unlikely but it’d be really hilarious (at first) if the universe miguel thought he destroyed was actually just destroyed by an alchemax experiment gone wrong or some shit lmao

This is effectively Schrödinger's plot hole

My theory for how miguel broke the canon of his dead versions reality is that his daughter was supposed to be spiderwoman, she was supposed to experience the trauma of her dad (miguel) dying, so when miguel replaced himself, it screwed up the story

7:25 - Rest In Peace this video’s audio.

I don’t think there’s any lying happening, it might turn out that way and I’m wrong, but it seems most likely their idea of canon events and how they work are just wrong

I think a theory is, this Miguel was Prowler in his dimension, and used to work for Alchemax. Upon his family's unfortunate passing away in some accident, he used the portal technology to specifically search for a Universe where he d*es, but his family lives, so that he can take his de*d self's place. The other him, also worked for Alchemax, and due to some rivalry or something, he was k*lled, one night when he was returning from office. The cannon event was that, after Miguel's d*ath, police would have investigated the company, accidentally finding Kingpin's collider, and temporarily shutting it down We've seen how the collider, if gone wrong, could make Universes collapse. Thus, Miguel's d*ath, was a cannon event, that would've saved that Universe... But since, this Miguel, replaced the d*ad one, no investigation was required, thus, police never shut down the collider, and Kingpin went ahead with his experiment, and accidentally merged the 2 Universes, which led to its collapse Ever since then, this Miguel is *obsessed* with cannon events

I have a feeling Miguel will end up helping Miles in the very end, maybe even sacrificing himself

Across the Spiderverse is definitely a piece of media.

the thing is that Miguel doesn't have the full answer to the cannon event and why it's happening. He only KNOWS HALF of the solution. something has to happen that He hasn't prepared for for him to fully grasp the idea of the cannon event. He isn't wrong or lying. he just doesn't have the full idea or scope of things. Literally EVERYONE is Only getting HALF of the picture and they have no idea

I feel like Mubattan was crumbling because of the Spot spreading dark matter. His theme even plays when the ground starts glitching.

Who else thinks Miguel is actually the Prowler of his universe? Like he's an imposter trying to be a "Spiderman" ?

My theory is that, what is actually happening is “breaking” the canon, but simply, incursions. Granted, we haven’t been give a great description on what happens during a incursion in movies (most notably DSMOM) but we are given a possible cause, basically something happens between 2 universes which causes one to be anilated. Sure we are told this with dream walking in Doctor Strange, but it’s entirely possible that spending enough time in a universe you’re not meant to be in could have the same effect. That would explain the universe Miguel saw destroyed. This doesn’t really fit with Indian Spider-Man’s case, but we also have the collider there which could just as easily cause it potentially. I could be very wrong, but that’s my theory.

The majority of a universe can be interacted with so long as it does not effect cannon events, think of it like altering the things we don't see going on in a comic book world that don't have any effect on the story we're reading. That is my theory and if it's correct than people can go to other universes so long as they don't change what happens in canon events. It might be easier to understand it like if something is a canon event that means in our world a comic is written about it if no one has written a comic book about it then it isn't canon so it can be interacted with; here's an example: A terminator spiderman from a dimension outside the one it's currently in sees someone about to buy solid color drapes for his daughters' room. Seeing such a tragedy unfold the Aracinator (yes, that's it's name) decides to intervene. It swings down and crashes through the shops windows, it approaches the frightened father looking down at the purchased solid color drapes then returning it's cold gaze to the father and speaks; "Don't do it. - You need butterflies, polka dots, balloons." ^^^^^ This is a (poorly scripted, selfsona insert) non canon event as there are no chapters in this spiderverses dimention that involve terminator-spider fusions or drapes or anything that was affected by what transpired. Therefore the lore is maintained and so yada yada, multiverse stability, yada yada the canon is maintained. HOWEVER!!! IF!!! this did affect something that is part of one of this universes chapters and therefore one of it's canon events then that chapter is no longer canon; that chapter has now become fanfiction... and a story needs canon chapters to maintain it's integrity. So (Damn this id so much longer than I intended) if you (I mean seriously I was only planning on writing one sentence) make to many chapters crucial to the story non-canon a story will fall apart and so it's universe will cease to exist, after all a story only feels real and can exist so long as it makes sense. Phew l hope that made sense. I would like to thank @lostfootage for pointing out holes in this logic, long story short Peter B. Parker had a kid because of his interactions outside of his dimension, therefore doing stuff that he wouldn't be doin otherwise and so replacing A LOT of canon with non-canon… hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… Okay new theory (you're still here? hats off to your longer-than-average attention span) perhaps it isn't specific events that the canon requires to maintain itself but simply a cohesive, consistent enough sequence of events that a story made from them would make sense? On second thought this is a stretch of ludicrous proportion. I would like to thank @parsa6645 for pointing out the possibility that canon events can still occur for different reasons, with this in mind any dimension could sort of maintain it's own canon, case in point maybe it was canon for Peter B. Parker to get back with Ginger-what's-her-name. So yeah this logic could be applied to any apparent canon event. I think??? (I was only 2:33 in before I started typing) OH, also, also it's easy enough to assume the butterfly effect does not occur, we can assume time is more like a river; you can throw a rock in to change the current slightly but it will always correct itself eventually down the line. Ah buuuut if you thrown enough stones at one pot in the river it might create a wall of stones causing an actual change in course. This was from Xmen I think. Here's another thought (oh lord somebody stop me)Miguel's Daughter was supposed to be that universes spiderman, his death was supposed to be her canon event. No tragic death, no "Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.", no Spiderman. And in regards to Gwen's Daddy not being Captain; she already had her tragic death canon event, it was lizard-peter. Wait... why does Universe 42 exist if it has no spiderman? Kay mind's empty thank you for coming with me on this stroll through my mind palace.

The canon event is the captain's death. As an anomaly, I believe Miles has the power to change some canon events without breaking the universe, kinda like how Gwen's father did not break canon by retiring, since he and Gwen's Spider-persona weren't close. Loopholes in the rules. However, the multiverse has a stream to maintain. Just like in a universe in which Ben lived had May take his place to maintain the continuity intact, someone equally important to Miles might take his place. I think an anomaly only breaks the universe if they operate outside of their own. If they operate inside, they have more freedom of maneuver, but the universe will adapt itself to not stray too far.

This is just a painful misunderstanding of Spider-Man 2099's character.

If Miles is an anomaly, why should he have to adhere to _Peter Parker's_ canon? Where is 1610's Captain Stacy? There are 355 police captains in New York. Why does it have to be Miles' dad? The Spot doesn't know Spider-Man is Miles Morales. He just wants to destroy the city Miles lives in. So, if he destroyed another captain instead, who's to say it's not canon and The Spot potentially taking out Miles' dad would just be collateral damage? They obviously can't see the future. Miguel's theory has more holes than The Spot. Also, just as an aside: 1610 Peter Parker wanted to train Miles. He didn't see him as some unwelcome presence, nor did he mind sacrificing his life to save not just Miles but the entire city. Miguel trying to guilt Miles for that is awful (he's still hot but it's awful). I love Peter B. Parker, but I would have really liked to see Peter Parker interact with Miles more. He seemed like a sweet dude.

Miguel: we, as Spiderman, supposed to suffer, to help others. Miles: no, we aren't. Spiderman writers: "giggling" yeah, you're right, Miles "continue to giggling"

Miguel was never bitten by a spider. You would think that would be a canon event for spider-man

One thing that also doesn’t make sense is how Spot “Created” Miles and how the 42 reality shouldn’t exist. That Spider came from 42 and bit our miles, and in Miguel’s own words “left a dimension without their Spider-Man” … but just like Uncle Ben, Police Chief Stacy, and Gwen are canon events, it all starts with the Spider Bite. The 42 Spider not biting the 42 Miles drastically altered the course and history of that Dimension, but despite breaking Canon its still there. I think that detail is very important too since they highlight Miguel never got bitten. He’s “not like the others”, and even though other Spider people aren’t necessarily reliant on the Bite like the tech girl who joined Gwen’s Team, the Bite has to be a canon event so theres a lot of flaws in this theory he has of the canon

Great video! There's something fishy about Miguel. I can't wait to see how it all plays out.

7:25 bro what happened to the audio? Great video btw

you forgot to add the part where Miguel O Hara says these chapters are supposed to happen or something like that, so maybe that miguel O hara in that spiderverse was supposed to die, and Miguel O hara being in that spiderverse where miguel O hara was supposed to die, ruined the chapters/ canon event disrupting that spiderverse and destroying it.

The problemo is that if Miguel is wrong then literally every single Spider-Man was wrong as well. No one thought to question him or double check.

The 42 world would also have broken canon events wouldn't it? I mean no Spider-man was created in that world which was supposed to be like one of the first canon events. Also the spider-man we saw in the breaking world might have just been one of the spider-men Miguel brought with him, like Peter B.

I just thought of this, tell me if im wrong. If miles's spider wasnt supposed to bite him, obviously, thats not a canon event. But according to miguel, in every spiders story, someone has to die. Miles's uncle died, which makes that canon, so my question is, can a canon event be created?

Pavs dimension wasn’t crumbling because miles saved the captain. It happened because Spot left a tear in the dimension when he left

Resolution of the video: I said Miguel lies... I concluded that I have no idea... Miguel wasn't supposed to be spiderman in the universe were he had a daughter but his presence from certain point forward was changing the event of the one who was supposed to be bitten by the spider. That means his daughter was supposed to be spidergirl and he was her inspiration... Miguel understand that his daughter has to grow up without a father,same as Miles has to as well. Gwen's father left the police,that doesn't mean that Miguel lies because maybe her canon is simply different than Miles's. After all,the canon event is not only one,that's why the canon that Miguel explained had a specific code. Also no one actually interferes with the decision that her father took. Miles is gonna had to choose, being spiderman embarrassing the reality of Spiderman losing most of the people around him,or being selfish and putting what he wants to protect before what he most protect.

I think they won’t turn Miguel into an outright villain, I think he’s just working off of what he’s seen or experienced, so he formed this narrative that he now pushes on all the other spiders He experienced a world breaking apart, and later came to the conclusion that that must’ve happened because of him disrupting a canon event, without having any kind of actual proof aside from his own observations

A couple things to add one the difference between the canon disruptions miles saved the captain because he was in trouble and would have died... Miguel it was just out of selfishness and actually did more harm than good as he also removed the family's ability to grieve 2. Miles isnt wrong with his viewpoints can you really let someone close to you die if you know its coming and couple prevent it Miles doesn't think twice to save someone in need. 3. As an anomaly in any timeline he represents infinite potential and possibilities... as mentioned in the video Mayday Parker only exist because Peter met miles.... additionally Gwen once stated she was done with friends and while she still withdrew from her bandmates and her dad she would be more open to friendships like how she gained bonds with Hobbie, and even her mentor... and eventually even repaired her relationship with her dad all this is because of Miles and not a single one of these realities collapsed... also hard to tell if mumbattan could potentially be due to the spot as the blackhole was left where he exited that universe

It should be noticed that in mumbattan right after the spot leaves, we see a darkness consuming the buildings and causing them to crumble. The darkness created by the spot (before the police captain is ever even in danger) has identical effects and overall seems to be the same thing as what comes later from the supposed disruption of a canon event

Basically what Miguel did was trigger an incursion because there were two versions of him in the same universe, one dead and one alive. So of course canon events don’t exist and Miguel is completely wrong in sacrificing people for it. On Earth 50100 the reason why that world was beginning to collapse was because of the collider that the Spot turns on at full blast had created a black hole just the original Spider-Man said would happen if Kingpin turned on the collider again.

I believe that the producers and the animators put subtle hints throughout the film

That Shattered Dimension cutscene could make a great point why The Canon events is total BS. If miles is an anomaly, then So is the other characters.Gwen’s dad quit as captain, Pavitar doesn’t get to experience losing the his version of ‘captain stacy’, and Peter B’s daughter literally exists because of Peter B’s bond with miles from the first film

wait..... if you rewatch ITSV.... 10160B's [I forgot what numbers were in it] peter dying was a canon event. Peter B. replaced that peter. and 10160B miles' universe didn't get destroyed...?! YOU ARE RIGHT MIGUEL LIED.

Unless Miguel’s daughter was supposed to be spider woman and that was her canon but this is really weird

I have a theory as if Miguel is an anomaly himself, as Miles said "You sure you're even Spider-Man?" he got angry of course. I'm feeling as if Miguel was never supposed to be Spider-Man at all. It's like when Miles got bitten and met Peter Parker and was never supposed to be Spider-Man. I'm getting that same vibe for Miguel. (it's a dumb theory)

The Peter Parker in the world as it disintegrated was Peter B. by the way, we see him without his mask on.He was there trying to help keep the world from disintegrating and trying to save people.

I guess no one noticed this in the movie, but in the scene where Miguel was talking to Miles, he said that if we save enough police captains and break the canon event, we can lose everything. People probably don't understand this because they think that when a canon is broken, the universe disappears. Compare it to an earthquake. There is no such thing as a house that will fall apart when there is a small earthquake, just like canon events, but if there are too many earthquakes, the house will collapse. Miguel says the same thing and if we look at it from this perspective, it shows that Miguel is looking from the right angle and he is right. And you can't say he is lying Canon events are true but there are some unanswered things

Remember near the end of ITSV gwen or someone says "looks like our realities are coming to us" gwen, b, noir, porker and peni went to miles' reality it seemed like everything went out of whack and the universe was doing everything to fix itself like a virus or cold That looks a lot like the flashback miguel tells about him 'breaking the canon' miles doesn't glitch until he leaves his reality showing his 'anomaly' nature isn't as evident. If miles didn't get bit peter would probably still die and spot would still be a thing because of the collider, Kingpin wanted his family back and did whatever it took added with the instability of Miles not glitching at all means that it was a canon event or as i'll call it an improvised event evidence by his reality not falling apart and things going relatively smoothly. Spot is the anomaly that didn't need miles to be there to happen, his social insecurity and complex made him believe Miles is his nemesis he's unhinged and when he goes dark matter is much more scary notice how he doesn't glitch like the rest? his dark matter powers affect realities in the way miguel thinks miles does. He's so hurt and traumatized he made himself believe the canon was what he thought it was. I wonder if his arc in the next is accepting Miles as spider-man and for him to either die or let go of his pain.

great video man, underrated 🙏

I watched ATSV three times and I have a theory, The only reason why Miles is an anomaly, is because Miguel broke the cannon event for himself.