Dr. Benjamin Bikman - 'Insulin vs. Ketones - The Battle for Brown Fat' 

Me too. I started reading Dr.Atkins books 25 years ago. Its frustrating not many Dr's talk about nutrition. I'm happy to find this content.

As an ICU RN, dealing with so many Diabetic patients, I find it difficult to administer high Dextrose TPN and chasing their Blood Sugars with insulin every six hours!!

Lots of simple minded people.

I agree with you so much. I have long Covid, which translates into I have cognitive challenges. But I am not stupid. So I know I have to change my diet, but from the starting point of not being able to think properly and having very little energy. I’m also autistic and find change challenging. Mainstream medicine has been unhelpful. Basically all about managing energy, and assuming I don’t know how to breathe. I’ve humored them, to make sure I wasn’t missing anything. But meanwhile, back at my body, back at the evidence, evidence is starting to mount that I, along with my fellow sufferers are more likely to end up with dementia. And I’m 61 so I don’t want to play Russian roulette with this. But even discussing a basic, evidence based change, intermittent fasting, my health supporters have become anxious, and fearful that I am being silly, getting involved in faddish diets. But they haven’t been able to help. They’ve probably spent a small fortune on painkillers, and are happy to carry on managing my symptoms in this way. Whilst sitting there saying they don’t really know what is going on in my body. So here, I am, cognitively challenged trying to work out how to get well. And I will get well. But there is enough knowledge out there for medics to be able to support patients in improving their health at relatively low cost. For someone like me this would be wonderful. But I shy away from any possible medical intervention with my diet, because I’m pretty sure they would give me the wrong information. And if I don’t sort this myself, then I’m going to cost an awful lot more in terms of drugs to maintain me as an ill person. Basically modern medicine is a broken paradigm. Hypocrites knew this, but today medics don’t.

Me too.

Congratulations! (and well done).

wow , keep up the good work ,the outcome is so much sweeter than any junk food ,refined carb ,dont get emotionally attached to your food and get it out of your memories and fill in the blank slots with the social experiences you have had with your family ,friends etc instead of the food you ate or ate with them which should mean little to nothing to you.

Happy to hear another success story. I hope this catches on in the mainstream media and the health industry. I discovered the insulin-based approach years ago, but I wish I had known about the power of less frequent eating coupled with keto. I'm finally doing it now and I'm making progress again.

Fantastic results! Keep going!! I'm 63, disabled, but down 46 lbs since starting 10/22/18. Doing 20/3 I.F. btw **Dr. Ken Berry M D. would likely work better with Dr. Bikmen. Dr. Berg thrives within his "king of the hill" M.O. He was a chiropractor when working in a practice.

Joseph Bates Dr Berg is an Awesome Doctor, Congratulations on your journey and losing so much weight, keep up the great work. It’s easier to lose weight doing Keto (LCHF) than it is on High Carb Low Fat. How’s the mental clarity, have you noticed any difference in your outlook on and attitudes? You’re making amazing progress Joseph, don’t listen to the Naysayers or the Vegan Trolls that are landing on the Keto/Carnivore videos, ignore them. As you’re doing OMAD you might be interested in Carnivore OMAD. Check it out, you’re halfway there.

@Willy Driscoll just watched that.. I mean I suppose its possible. But come on man, that video is a joke. At least if you require even a shred of evidence to support a claim. Its nothing but testimonials - can't take it seriously unless they bring a bit more.

@Willy Driscoll I may have an answer for you. It has to do with what happens to vegans who stay on that WOE for extended periods of time. One case in particular should stand out. A RU-vid content provider named Freely the Banana girl(ru-vid.com) LINKED ONLY FOR REFERENCE. Has gone from a healthy young woman to almost skeleton. What I believe is happening is that are surviving off of pure glucose all the while being in a state of malnutrition. I don't know the exact mechanisms. But you can see it for your self. MANY of these Vegans are eating well over 5000 calories a day, yet they are shrinking into nothing. As well as the SERIOUS deficiencies they are having. Bone breaking and rotten teeth are two that stand out. As well as serious metabolic disorders leading to Vegans always feeling like they are freezing cold. I believe the problem with fruitarians and vegans is that no matter how much fibrous plant matter they consume, they just can not get enough calories into their bodies. And they start to burn off their body fat. Hence losing masses of Fat. But what happens when the body fat is gone and you get nothing but sugar? Eventually? Multiple Organ Failure syndrome. In the short run, pancreatic failure, Diabetes, and heart disease if prolonged.And in the end? Death.

awesome, thanks :)

@@vtshadow314 I think Steve Jobs was on a fruit only diet before his diagnosis of pancreatic cancer. Some theorize that was the driving force....or at least a contributing factor.

film the podcast and upload it to RU-vid, I don't do podcasts unless there's video

All that protein must be triggering muscle growth!

The last sentence has a typo, “heard”. That is ironic because we are heard animals that this advice helps a lot.

@@davidmciver9483 And more ironic- it’s “herd” animals 😂 But your point stands. Happy day, sir

Exactly. Glucose from gathering when fat/protein was scarce. Body knows that we would only eat it when times are hard, so make storage fat for later use.

so why does the body spend valuable energy to convert fat ad protein into glucose, if glucose is not important?

@@incorectulpolitic I believe based on my understanding is we evolved both due to the need for Fight/Flight Mechanisms we use Glucose because its fast so we are always prepared for rapid get away or defense. The Ketones is for everyday maintenance and function. We should be always in the maintenance mode as western society especially. I can see this science working in me. I have lost over 50 lbs by following a ketogenic way of life. I started at 350 and want to get down to 230. The wasting is interesting due to the need to drink lots of water 2-3 liters per day and now thanks to this video i understand why it works.

So when are we short of protein and fats? Most supermarkets are just sugar delivery factories.

@@incorectulpolitic It's not important to eat. The body will convert the amount it needs from protein and the body will use what it converts. But too much protein will have a negative effect.

They're making synthetic meat in Laboratories. At the same time they're killing livestock it's all part of the bill back better reset plan!

This makes so much sense. It's been happening to me and I couldn't understand why, now I know because of the work Ive been putting in in my lifestyle I'm creating more of that brown fat which is helping me lose fat. 🎉

Caleb - best explanation EVER!

A very good explanation. The elephant in the room is always that if most humans (6 billion +) started eating like this, the planet would be void of all animal life. Keep this secret to ourselves?

@@loubob21 There's enough fat to go around, the issue is protein. We could easily get that from insects though. But no one really wants to, I wonder why 😂

good tale, Caleb. One correction on clothing, though. Buying hundreds of clothing items for pure consumerism is certainly fairly modern phenomena (produced by cheap labor, yes), but the caveman Grog was smart enough to use animal skins and fur for clothing !! This should have been obvious to you. Since I was like ~9 years old, I remember from school, the posters of 'cavemen' wearing that and holding big stones and bats in their hands.

But what's missing from both your Grog the Caveman scenario and the talk is the evolutionary and/or the physiological rational for the energy waste involved in ketosis. Is the waste a feature or a bug? From an evolutionary perspective it is understood that energy must be conserved to the greatest extent possible - our survival depended on it. The entire insulin system as I understand it is based on that idea in that it directs our bodies to store the energy that is not needed in any given moment. When carbs become scarce in the winter, as you mention, or in times of food scarcity generally the body can switch into an alternative energy system where it can now use the energy that it has stored in times of plenty. It wouldn't want to waste that energy. Presumably it even takes energy to break lipids down into the various components as Dr. Bikman covered. This seems to be an inefficiency that I'd like to be able to reconcile. Does it have to do with the starvation metabolism vs ketogenic diet? In other words is the body just not able to well-regulate the available energy against what it needs to function in any given moment, given that the lipid energy is being consumed rather than harvested from the body itself? I feel like I might be answering my own question to some degree here, but it would still be nice to hear the experts address it. And in addition it still seems like a surprising inefficiency that the body did not adapt a way to store excess energy in this alternative, ketogenic energy system. Though perhaps the explanation is revealed in the fact that it is a starvation energy system. If that is the case though I'm still curious how that explanation interplays with the other aspects of this system like the brown fat Dr. Bikman is studying. Does brown fat play any role in starvation metabolism? If indeed ketosis can be thought of as 'starvation metabolism', at least evolutionarily speaking, and it explains the energy waste involved, why wouldn't the body have adapted a way to store the excess energy during those lean times, as it would have been so much more vital for survival?

Journeyman I

Because lazy people just want a quick sound bite. Most are far too stupid and/or lazy to actually dig into some numbers.

EXACTLY. That's why my days of calorie counting were nearly useless.

BS, metabolic rate is quite stable, variations are not greater than 10-15%.

@Odd Fish funny you say we reject the bible as we are currently studying the sermon on the mount in my gospel doctrine Sunday school class and have been going through Christ's ministry all year... Also if you were unaware the speaker Benjamin Bikman is a very active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints.

@Odd Fish Clearly you don't know anything about Mormonism, so sad....

@@jakesnowake1 actually the Bible that Mormons use is not the Bible. There are several places where words are changed. There are several ministries online to look into showing Mormonism is a cult. Jesus Christ is part of the Godhead, the Trinity, the three in one, and that's the major doctrine Mormons reject. Compare the watchtowers Bible with the KJV. Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.". Works based salvations like Mormonism's are heretical towards the Bible. You cannot earn your way, and saying you can is prideful. Jesus paid it all. We only need to trust in him. That's what the Bible teaches.

How does Metformin play into this?

Lol

Do you smell worse on keto sweat?

The insulin roller coaster is what finally messes with your pancreas. That’s why doctors have it backwards they try to control glucose when they should be to controlling insulin for type 2.

John Strain wanna try it

Interesting thought. But does that really apply to people who voluntarily signed up for a study? And were most likely compensated for their participation?

I appreciate the question! But I think it probably does. I mean, we all sign up for work and are compensated for it too, but that doesn't stop us from resenting it on occasion. And then, having been "told what to do" there's an almost inevitable bit of rebellion once a person is "free" of the restriction.

because the old treatment focuses on glucose. It's also not widely known that diabetes type 2 is reversible

Rusty Shackleford TD already has videos talking about brown fat.

In truth he did say the heat was mostly imperceptible.

I know that I typically fast for 24 hours, and then I eat about 2 pounds of meat. After that, I feel hot for about two hours.

@@spaceghost8995 That much meat and it could be bacterial inflammation. Meat rotting in your gut, not digesting. Add 2 tbsp of ACV to that meal to help digest all that meat and see it the heat goes away.

Geez...here I thought I've had menopause for 20 years : - D

Wim Hof is the real deal. The science Dr. Bikman is presenting coorelates with the cold exposure. Dr. Bikman explains it extremely well. The Wim Hof method helps the body develop brown fat. The brown fat also has a positive effect on the immune system. That's just one part of what the Wim Hof method does. Concentrating on the cold while breathing similar to what a free-diver would can cause the brain to develop new pathways that can literally control automatic body functions. It's essentially a way to become a monk. I myself can now release adrenaline, or dopomine- not unlimited amounts but enough to make me twice as strong in the gym with a burst of adrenaline, or calm down from a stressful situation with a few breaths and a release of dopomine. I've barely scratched the surface having done the method for a couple of months.

Link?

Interesting about ur workouts. I sleep with my room temp@50f & swim in cold water from mountain snow. Im always hot.

Its pretty well proven that ketones themselves are the key, having the effect. Dr Boz has some vids on this. Shes very much in brain healing n healed her mom of cancer.

From what I understand, look into going Keto first. As her insulin resistance improves, she'll start being able to reduce her medications (under doctor's supervision!). Intermittent fasting can follow after that!

Hi, I'm also diabetic. I would suggest getting a continuous glucose monitor so your mom will know her BG every 5 minutes, less chance of going into hypoglycemia. Then she has to make sure that the long acting insulin is prescribed separately to the fast acting insulin, so she can inject them separately. Initially start keeping the long acting insulin at the same level as the doctor prescribed. Inject the quick acting insulin as required in response to the BG readings you see from your 5 minute readings. The body does produce some glucose in the blood by itself from other sources. Also, before you start, buy some ketone urine strips and make sure that your mom's ketones don't go over the safe level, as that is dangerous and will require hospitalisation for Diabetic Keto Acidosis, which is very dangerous.

How long is a piece of string ?

@@paulylah I'm buggered if I am going to study string theory :P

Are u stringing me along : - D

They lost more weight, they are talking about bloodwork

Steve In England He would be impermeable to this information since he made a career based on calories and starches.

John McDougall is too heavily invested in his reputation as author of the Starch Solution and as a vegan advocate. Science requires open mindedness, which he is incapable of..

I believe his Starch solution is just a cover for Vegan lifestyle. He is supporting a "moral" agenda, not a heath based agenda.

You would be wasting your time. It would be like talking to an invested religitard.

Liver creates the ketone level. It converts fat acids to ketones and puts them in the bloodstream for energy.

Contrast that with glucose, which we have a hard time eliminating. Our kidneys try their best to get rid of excess glucose, but it's damaging to them.

Navy Seals and Olympic swimmers in training burn 8000+ calories a day in cold water compared to a track athlete burning 2500+. The heat production is very calorie intensive.

you lost visceral fat, the most deadly of all and the first one the body gets rid of.

Ketosis is a function of low insulin, not low energy. You can have an excess of calories and still be in ketosis.

memoryhero Taking it back to 3rd grade.

Ketosis slows your thyroid. Ketosis mimics a permanent fasting, so you are in constant survival mode.

@@ryanjones4042 i know you posted this a year ago but I saw this just now. That may explain why I developed hypothyroidism after doing a strict Atkins diet for a year!