Absolutely everything this guy says I have seen in practice. I'm a nurse practitioner and where I work we have been measuring fasting insulin for more than 10 years now. So many patients with normal glucose levels don't know they have very high insulin levels. You can have insulin resistance for 10 years before becoming a diabetic. As far as public health is concern fasting glucose and A1C levels alone does not help to prevent diabetes. Now, not everyone with high insulin will become a diabetic some will just have inflammation issues. Fascinating interview!!!
Ben Bikman is one of the kindest men I know. He was transformative in helping myself and my cousin eventually fulfill our dream of going to medical school. He always was a mentor and a lifter. He is empathetic and kind. I also know he is smart! But, more important this guy is just an overall "good dude." Proud to see him doing great things and then I research brown fat for help in my histology course he is the #2 hit on youtube. Love it. I really love it.
YES! Your comments give just more proof ( as if we needed it😋) of what so many of us have already sensed in this fine Professor and Scientist! Such a bright, GOOD, lovely man-I wish we could clone him! 🥳🥰👍
Dr. Jason Fung is the first person that I know who recognized the centrality of insulin in generating fat tissue. He needs to be recognized for his excellence.
He started with fat and sugar and primarily learnt and followed other MDs and dieticians, health bloggers... he followed the data and repeated it, he didn't innovate it or the discussion he joined it, parroted it and profits through his books. His talks and interviews are quite wishy washy and focus not enough on dietary habits but not eating and a keto style of eating.
He doesn't talk bullshit but not really the first . I learnt in a french school in 1998 that sugar= insulin and insulin= body fat stocking. Mix sugar and fat (like say in a big mac for instance) and the protein meat content will have almost no impact on your weight gain. Sugar + fat, regardless of the number of calories is a deadly mix. Insulin is a catabolic (destruction) hormone.
i rarely comment but i couldn't resist acknowledging bikman's ability to express his ideas in such precise, concise, exact but easy to grasp way. good on him.
I'm not questioning none of the guys here, but I'd like to understand... I used to eat sweet cookies EVERY SINGLE DAY -not exaggerating: every morning and afternoon. Cookies in my country though are more dry, they have a higher CH content than fat content unlike in the States, and more saturated fats than non-saturated, that is, more buttery and less oily. My triglicerydes were always at optimum levels and so were all my health indicators from comprehensive blood tests. Being in a more than amazing shape, a depression got me to lose a bit of weight and then when I recovered it, it looked a bit different than before so I wanted to get back to normal. So, for a long time now, for about a year, I have been reducing wheat, added sugars and saturated fats to the maximum recommended daily, increased my uptake of "healthy" fats and adjusting overall fats, CH and protein to those ideally recommended, both by my nutritionist and online serious nutrition information from Harvard and such. I also tried intermittent fasting for some months. All other things equal, I AM NOW FATTER THAN EVER, WITH A WEIRD FAT DISTRIBUTION I DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE (WEIRDER THAN WHAT LED ME TO TRY THIS) AND, WORSE OF ALL, THE FAT IS NOT GOING AWAY, WHEN BEFORE I COULD LOSE A LITTLE WEIGHT IF I WANTED TO AS EASILY AS RESTRICTING CALORIES VEEEERY SLIGHTLY DURING TWO MONTHS. I used to eat 55% CH, 16.5% protein and 29% fat with much more sugar and saturated fat MY WHOLE LIFE and was slim, lean and fit as one could be. I am now eating 48% CH, 24% protein (with even higher days) and 28% fat (with even higher days), again, with the more "healthy fats", less sugar, wheat and starchs and more protein. Also, my skin is AWFUL and I am not sleeping well, no more than 5 hours in a row, while before I slept 9/10 hours easily and happily. How can you explain this???
@@adaw332 Dr. John McDougall has the answer in the book The Starch Solution. He also has lots of videos on RU-vid. I learned to eat like you used to, higher carb/starch and lower fat and protein. It's very hard to gain weight like that, and when I do I can lose it quickly and easily by decreasing fat and increasing vegetable intake.
@@adaw332 it sounds like different bodies do better or worse in different programs. For me, a low carb lifestyle is best for my weight if I can stick to it. Problem is, I LOVE carbs, and so do my fat cells. 😕
A scientist not pretending to be an arrogant omniscient being and an interviewer not trying to be a scientist, just asking what I want to know. Thank you HIH, I enjoyed this a lot. One more subscriber today ;)
It's often the case that those of high moral character are also very humble. In other interviews Dr Bikman always speaks highly and reverently of his wife and family. Good guy and good information.
@@Blind_Side94 it does.. it helps if you want to burn more calories easily and also stimulates processes to lower inflammation in your body... and makes you simply tougher than the average soft city human hehehe ;-)
I've been a silent follower for some time now, but I feel compelled to say (or rather, echoing what everyone has commented thus far) that the quality of this interview was one of the best. Essentially reemphasizing something that is seemingly 'already understood' (insulin) but really diving deeper into the dangers of when it (insulin) is unregulated. Thanks for the work that you do!
@@SiimLand as far as I understand is that our liver is capable of producing glucose using a process called gluconeogenesis. This production will still put glucose in your bloodstream, this in turn means that our body needs to produce insulin to transport this glucose to the brain(for the confused, small part of our brain runs on glucose). Sure insulin is not the enemy when it's doing it's happy little job just a little bit at a time. But we are currently being bombarded by carbs which will make our pancreas run into overtime producing insulin to get rid of all that sugar.
oh wow, at 22:00 they are talking about how ketosis is a cyclical event, based on seasonal eating and the abundance and scarcity of food. this is the exact conclusion I independently came to when starting the keto diet, it had to be what every human went through in the past but what really doesn't happen today with a supermarket on every corner.
not just based on seasons but latitude as well. at the equator, tropical fruits and veggies. at barrow alaska, whale blubber dipped in seal oil. thats the range but it depends on light. see dr jack kruse about that.
@@trapperkcmo3460 not necessarily based on where you currently live, but your ancestors because you have that DNA or maybe a combination of the 2...seems more complicated than it should be
I love how his successful person morning routine is caring for his family, even considering not to make them uncomfortable with him not eating with them. Great guy, great family man
From one phd obesity researcher to another I really appreciate the info shared in this video. he's a natural at explaining in a simple way he should teach. best video in my opinion by far
Thanks from this video. I'm an ex-sugar addict that converted to nutritional ketosis two and half years ago. This video added to my knowledge about the benefits of nutritional ketosis.
I recently watched Dr. Benjamin Bikman's lecture on the low carb down under channel, and it was eye opening. I thought, from years of watching presentations from the likes of Gary Taubes, Dr. Ted Naiman, Dr. Jeff Volek, Dr. Stephen Phinney, Dr. Timothy Noakes etc. etc., that I heard all I needed to hear about insulin. However, when I watched that lecture from Dr. Bikman, and this notion of how insulin effects brown adipose tissue, it was definitely an enlightening moment. Thank you so much for giving Dr. Bikman a platform to further explain his insight
To optimize insulin sensitivity getting the main part of your calories from complex carbohydrates is by far the best choice. All meta-studies on this subject show that high carb intake correlates with a lower BMI and lower rates of obesity (intriguingly, a lot of the studies were done on Americans so the carb intake included a lot of high glycemic carbs as well). The problem are not carbs, but how your body is able to deal with them. High fat intake as well as carrying a lot of bodyfat will increase the level of triglycerides in the bloodstream ---> this then leads to intramyocellular lipids (google that) building up in the cells and downregulating insulin receptor activity ---> your body wont be able to control bloodsugar as well as before ---> you develop metabolic syndrom/diabetes and carbs will actually make you fat. I dont get how anyone would advice keto/high fat diets for longterm weightloss. People should go to the library and check what the actual scientific data says on this. Keto mainly works well for bodybuilders as it makes it easer to get from 6% to 4%bf and it makes the effect of carbloading more pronounced and easier to control (in addition to the diuretic effect of leaving out carbs for a longer duration). Btw why do you think all these chicks are going vegan recently? Most of these bitches dont care for the animals but they love it because they get leaner ---> limited fat sources as well as lots of complex carb sources with low calorie density. People dont get fat from eating oats, potatoes, whole grain noodles + fruits and vegetables....No, its milk products, processed meat...come on deep inside everyone actually knows this is true. People just like to hear that eating all those tasty fatty foods is healthy, because they wont have to change anything.
this is amazing. I can see the changes happening in me and all I did was lower sugar and up healthy fat intake. Totally against the advice of all diet info I grew up on, this approach has been life-altering for me. I'm able to stay at a maintenance weight with NO EFFORT when I am using more fat for energy. When I was younger and addicted to sugar, there was absolutely nothing I could do to keep the weight off. Even being active in high school I ballooned, there was nothing I could do to work off the weight, and I was too tired to try harder, and too hungry to eat less. Now, I can mess up my diet and no fat gain, because I simply burn it off. My body is working completely differently now.
Yes, I can fast without complaint now that I run on fat. When I was fasting, I realized I've never known true hunger before. Being hungry for even one day is not TRUE hunger. People act as if it's impossible to ignore the pains of sugar cravings but once you're through them, you see what your body is really capable of.
Mari Campari I did a test once and ate 8 half gallons of ice cream for 2 months. Then quit all sugar. I could taste the ice cream/sugar later coming out in my mouth for 6 months afterwards.
Favorite component of this interview. . .Dr. Bikman's response/responsibility to his children. Teaching the next generation is the key to excellent change.
I didn't like you channel at the beginning but during time your channel become THE GREAT ONE. This video is maybe THE BEST video on internet about insulin, insulin resistance, ketones and other related topics. THAN YOU VERY MUCH and keep in that way :)
Liver Stroganoff - Fry an onion (Lard of beef dripping is best), add thick cream, salt, mustard, fresh herbs and a little paprika, throw in the thinly sliced liver and cook gently for a few minutes. Serve with your favourite vegetable(s). Takes about 10 minutes including cooking and prep time. Your kids might even enjoy it.
I saw a Ted video from a psychiatrist showing lower body temperature as a key sign of depression, and how serotonin was triggered by alternating cold-hot skin baths. He mentioned how skin nerve receptor were a direct way to stimulate specific brain areas, with much more precision than medications. Sounds this is somehow connected to Brown Fat and body heat.
Could be, David Rojas Elbirt! Metabolic and immune responses are coordinated, which are connected to neurotransmitter levels as well. It's one big interconnected system! Cheers, Mike
As an athlete, I have learned a tremendous amount from this video,thanks very very much!! Especially on the point on breakfast and the insulin level in the morning. This will help me in my training so much
I totally enjoy listening to this channel. The interviewer is informed, knowledgeable, and allows the guest to speak their train of thought. Great job as usual.
I love your channel, and I have been watching for a while. This video is my favorite to date! The quality and detail of this information is off the charts. The way you explained it so everyone could understand... mind blowing. Thank you is not enough for you both, but thank you for sharing this invaluable information with us! I believe it is so crucial and life changing. I will be sharing!!!
Thanks, Tricia Lyon! Have many new shows coming soon that I think you'll enjoy. If you want additional info and early access to shows, check out our insider membership: highintensityhealth.com/insider Cheers! Mike
Maybe increased uncoupling during ketosis is because when there is a lot of dietary fat available, the body can afford to self-regulate temperature without shivering, and the same pathways getting activated during fasting is just a glitch.
I literally look at starchy carby “foods” as poison now. I’m transitioning my whole family to a ketogenic diet, and I’m sure we’ll lose some behavioral issues with our children as well. I’m excited for the change. It’s never too soon, or too late, to start eating REAL FOOD. I want my children to have the BEST possible start in life!! Why shouldn’t we all?? I’d rather spend our money on the best foods money can buy. Otherwise we’ll be spending that money on sick care!
Liver is pretty much the only food that actually makes my mouth water even though it is not even close to a favorite food. I always assumed there is something in it that I am severely lacking in my diet.
Thank you for the great talk! Everything you have been saying sound great, but I would like to add or maybe clarify that high-fat diet means healthy high fat diet and since he mentioned the Mediterranean diet, I would like to add that in the Mediterranean diet there are plenty "good" carbohydrates like legumes, fruits, and vegetables as well as limited meat and lots of "good" fats like olive oil, olives, eggs!
I've been overweight all my concious life and obese since I'm adult. Like everyone I was always told that breakfast is so important, I noticed that I tend to be hungrier during the mornings when I had breakfast than when I didn't. Got told that having an appetite means that "your engine is running" and "you need to be hungry to burn fat". Tried to lose weight countless times, was always hungry and the weight always returned after I failed again (off course). Decided to start cutting carbs (not exactly keto due to social reasons, but no sugar and as little carbs outside of shared meals as possible) and IF (just skipping breakfast for now) about 2-3 weeks ago and I think that for the first time in my life I'm not that hungry, I don't feel tempted to buy crisps and pastries in the supermarket and I have to use my calorie-counter to make sure I eat enough instead of not too much. The science makes sense to me too, I like having some understanding of what I'm doing when drastically restricting anything (biology student here, not specializing on physiology but I've had the basics at least), I came to the conclusion of high carb/low carb diets being a seasonal cycle myself and I'm glad to hear it confirmed. If I keep feeling this way and keep losing weight steadily (lost like 2.5 kg since the start of april) this might finally be my answer to this mess :)
Think about it in terms of prehistory...we had to get up and go hunt for our first meal...our body tends to raise cortisol in the morning to help release glucose with glucagon ... our bodies provide our breakfast for us in a way...so anyone who says breakfast is the most important meal of the day is being dogmatic usually and not thinking...breakfast is neither really good nor really bad....it all depends on what gets you up and moving...you need to choose what is right for yourself :-)
I tried explaining the difference between Brown fat and white fat to a friend and got looked at like i had four heads lol ... i was trying to tell her to watch her insulin levels and about keto and to work out in the cold when possible to try and get more brown fat but she didn't believe me ... so im happy i found this video.Great info !
@@sidmichael1158 ummm ya ...Research shows daily exposure to cold increases a body's volume of brown adipose tissue, or brown fat. So to exercise and work out in the cold is a great idea.
It would be interesting if Benjamin Bikman talked/watched to Blake Horton, the guy that eats omad tons of starches/carbs every night...I would like to know what he has to say about Blake.
I could listen to Benjamin Bikman all day everyday.
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Amazing interview! I learned so much!!! I really appreciate that the interviewer asked great questions and then sat back and actually listened to the answers. One of the best interviews I've heard in a long time!
Why thanks, Tim McCarthy! Funniest part is it was filmed by my Uber driver with no camera 🎥 experience :-) I was nervous how it would turn out, but think it came out well. Cheers, Mike
resistance weight training is great, but calisthenics training is great too. i do a few calisthenics movements a day to improve my altheticism and i'm willing to bet i can be more effective than doing weights. nothing better than learning how to move your body, engaging your mind and muscle to learn a new movement.
Dr. Robert Atkins(cardiologist) was teaching this from the 70s. Keto is nothing new or phenomenal. Yet the fact that he was a cardiologist he knew the limitations of his high fat version & the push back to it. Atkins 2.0 was a high protein version & it worked just as well with a better effect on testosterone & lipids.
Conspiracy theories tend to be just that: theories. I think that this callory counting is the result of people not wanting to eat less sugar and not wanting to eat more vegetables. People will go with doctors and medicine that allow them to eat all the bad stuff ..... "in moderation". I saw a guy in an interview complaining that because of his diabetes he is allowed "only 1 milkshake er day". If that is how people think then it is not so strange doctors and medicine are focused on helping them survive their own stuidity.
Conspiracy theories happen because history is, and continues to be full of conspiracies. No, you can't rule out incompetence, and stupidity either, but people really do conspire to gain power and wealth.
What a great interview. Dr. Ben is scarry knowledgable about his field. I truly appreciate the work that he and his colleagues do - thank goodness for them. How come they weren't around before I got Type II diabetes. But I am working hard to reverse that. And thank you for presenting your podcast - excellent.
I started the Wim Hoff method over two years ago. I take literal ice showers every day, I take long walks in snow storms in nothing bud shorts... as low at 10 below zero. I haven’t shivered once in two years. Throw some Wim Hoff method deep into your daily fast and you will have your brown fat humming all day long. Great video. Obviously I wrote this before the 24 min mark. 🥴
I don’t know how I got to your video’s Mike, but this is the second one after intermittent fasting video. I have learned all the benefits from that intermittent fasting has on a person. Thanks
Thank you! This was one of the best interviews I have seen in this realm. Ben is so clear in his explanations and I love that he is passionate about sharing the info more outside of the scientific circles. Thank you so much for this video! I learned a lot!
Fantastic interview both questions and answers. I had to look up a lot of terms but I learned a lot about insulin. Thank you so much. I'm going to watch the 2nd interview next.
I still believe if we have fat to use as fuel then we should. Since we have accessibility to all fruit beans and grains year round. So therefore Ketosis makes sense all year round for humans now if people can do it. And breaking it during social times if desired.
The "Study of One" that you are in is better than all the crap studies that Big Food and Big Pharma can pay for! Jesus H. Christ, God bless him is still in the dark ages. I think they may start burning us at the stake if we don't fall in line with the eat less move more crap that has given the U.S. and now the rest of the world diabetes. Have a Coke and a smile!
Wow. I started this video mostly because I have this mental "resistance" towards the idea of "brown fat" - I mean, fat is fat, right? BUT --- I ALSO know I'm stubborn and closed minded and NEED to WORK at keeping an open mind - so I watched this. And I'm SO GLAD I did. I just wish certain members of my family and friends network would watch but (like me) they are stubborn and closed minded (probably why we get along) and it's really hard to convince them to open their mind to a new angle. Great work, guys -- keep it coming! I want to know more about these studies!!
Loved this. Think this may have been one of your best interviews. This has so much content that really can explain all the components of Keto and how it all works together summed up really neatly. Keep up the good work!
Typically enjoy your interviews but this one was incredible! A wealth of information broken down for this layman. Thank you for putting out outstanding content.
Why not study bodybuilders, how they manipulate carbs and protein post workout with insulin and growth hormones. Also their use of dnp for fatloss and how it works on mitochondria and metabolism. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall with a round table talk with probodybuilders and these different metabolism and hormone researchers.
I think bodybuilders are still understudied. They were using low carb keto diets ever since the 50s but still not a lot of research on resistance training and ketosis. Dr. Jacob Wilson and Lawrey are just making it happen
I think of bodybuilders as extreme, so makes them easier to study. Pro bodubuilders are said to use many drugs to manipulate timing of insilin and gh but dont seem to get fat from this insulin use. Im not advocating its use but think we may learn something from what they do.
Dan smith Almost no large bodybuilder has Type 2. See Kali Muscle channel. He even makes a cake out of Oreos and Cola and eats it. Huge muscle mass always burns up all excess glucose in the blood.
Excellent video! thankyou! i would have like to hear his input if high protein limits ketosis. in my understanding its a misnomer. THanks for all you share on this channel!
It can kick you out of ketosis but it won't jeopardize keto-adaptation. The two are quite distinct. You may burn off that extra glucose via gluconeogenesis, thus suppressing ketones, but your brain will easily revert back to burning fat for fuel within a few hours
Spencer, due to Autophagy, we recycle 70% of our proteins, an evolutionary adaptation to "Starvation". Excess proteins end up as ammonia a waste in urine. GNG is function that never allows glucose to go to Zero in Blood, reason "Fasting" 30-60 days works - another evolutionary adaptation. Humans - member of the Great Apes that Stores "Fat", we store limited carbs, we store fats and proteins, but proteins are last resort fuel - carbs very short term fuel - ketones and Starvation was our Normal State - Ref: Dr. Ohsumi - Autophagy www.70GoingOn100.com the Centenarian Diet, or maybe 128, the Hayflick limit, or if a Ray Kurzweil fan then this is a Moot Point …
Mike, thanks a ton for all the great discussions you have with physicians and scientists who care deeply about nutrition. I've learned a ton in the past few weeks watching. And your notes with time markers are a great plus. They help me remember why I liked a particular discussion and what I might want to review quickly.
In addition to the great quote, 'Eat to be lean, exercise to be fit', I think another should be from Peter Attia, 'Hormones drive fuel partition'! If I understand correctly, elevated insulin lowers the metabolic rate by signaling to the liver not to produce ketones and instead store it as fat (or if the fat is over capacity, signal stem cells to make more fat cells)? Chronic hyperinsulinemia leads to an accumulation of ceramide and insulin resistance. Meanwhile, low insulin, signals ketone production, which causes white fat to behave like brown (uncoupling/beijing)? It's interesting to think about why the body, in times of famine/ketones, would want to burn excess energy as heat (20m10s). Regarding how ketones and cold exposure activates brown fat (24m mark), has it been shown that people living in cold climates have more brown fat like newborns? Or is it that they have more beijing of white fat cells? Also, if the weaknesses of using rodent models is well understood, why not use canines? Isn't canine metabolism/digestion much more similar to humans? Where are the links to the video mentioned at the 27m07s... or the study comparing time-restricted-feeding, ketogenic diet, and s.a.d. 35m45s? Regarding how people are insulin insensitive (with respect to glucose metabolism) in the morning due to rising (antagonist) cortisol, 37m38s.. Chris Masterjohn has some great podcasts on insulin (ex. see comments in 'Why Insulin Doesn't Make Us Fat 2.26'), and seems to suggest people are *more insulin sensitive* in the morning. What am I missing? Regarding how (exogenous) ketones are converted to fat in the presence of insulin (42m08s), why then does Dr. Bikman suggest that it may still help with those suffering from brain trauma/disorders? Also like the part about how insulin and ketones *both* signal the production of glutathione antioxidants!
when i lived in minnesota i would go outside every morning regardless of temperature in my bare feet with no shirt on and stand for a minute or two to signal my body. then eat bacon and eggs for breakfast because i read about this brown fat stuff and i swear it helped me feel warmer throughout the day. try it if you live up north. I'm watching this video in a hurricane in south florida!
lukusr - indeed the evidence for cold shock therapy is building up ... also ref Ben Greenfield .... www.70GoingOn100.com the Centenarian Diet, or maybe 128, the Hayflick limit, or if a Ray Kurzweil fan then this is a Moot Point …
@@dongrant810 actually. I am beginning to have the same issue. As a type2 diabetic for over 30 years, my insulin resistance is very strong. I've been doing intermittent fasting but just started 36 hour fasting. It's very hard because no matter what, my insulin rises but it's coming down gradually. If your really insulin resistant and have been that way for awhile aka years, then going to the next step may be necessary. Fasting and vertically zero carbs and no sugar or sugar substitutes. You have to break the sugar addiction. I'm working on my sugar addiction too. I've lost 46 lbs and hit a major plateau. Next step it is. Good luck.
Same, but I think I need to cut out all carbs at this point because IF and low carb isn't doing it anymore. I lost 10lbs but that's it. I've hit a plateau.
