Dragon Ball Super Universe Survival Special | Anime FMK 

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"That was not explored very well"....... the best summary of DBS

As someone who has trained martial arts significantly and had to take a long period of time off from an injury in which I didn't train, at all...Gohan going from capable fighter with awesome abilities to a shadow of his former self hits very close to home. It truly is 100% reasonable and within the realm of reality.

Kaiser: Don't fucking swear on this podcast it's PG 13. Grant: I'm sorry it's Anime FuckMK. Had me in stitches right from the start.

I hate that vegeta also uses final flash so much. Kinda kills the ability

I personally loved the final fight between U6 & U7, with Piccolo becoming overwhelmed upon realizing that the U6 Namekians had fused with hundreds (if not thousands even) of other Nameks, only to be saved by Gohan and have a vision of Kami and Nail pointing toward him, overcoming his overwhelmed state and then finishing the fight in tandem with Gohan. It was a great character moment and a great “father/son” moment imo.

I was always like "oh people are nitpicky about toei's choices", but then I was told "imagine if MADHOUSE or some other good studio got their hands on this. And i was like "...shit, you're right"

Here's a thought that may or may not blow someone's mind: Zen-Oh is the Audience. Literally, they represent us. We have the power to affect the story. We can change the course of a saga, or cause it to end. We were brought together by Goku, we are impressed by his exploits, we want to see him and his friends fight other strong fighters. We knew, from the very beginning of the tournament arc, that the other universes would be wished back.

I loved the episode where Future Trunks spent time with Gohan and his family. I also loved the Sword of Hope.

*2:03:20** "I LIVED, AHAHAHA" -Kaiser does a great Chris Ayres Freeza.*

I love coming back and listening to Kaiser's speech at the end. This guy is smart, tell ya what.

Grant just put into words why I’ve been having such a tough time with this series. I have been struggling to explain it for myself for months and Grant just did it. I loved some moments in Super, but overall, I hate that it made me question for my love for the series.

I like the way Vegeta eliminated Toppo as it showed how far Vegeta has come from the Buu saga. Toppo throwing away his ideals is very similar to what Vegeta did to become Majin Vegeta, and as he was Majin Vegeta when he first used the Final Explosion, it ends up being a very nice reference, at least in my opinion.

1:35:39 “let’s bring it to a million” the video is currently sitting at over 13 million. Well done Kaggy.

Vegeta and Frieza both snicker as Kale/broly is palm face dragging Goku across the field! that was so amazing to see.

I have like a thousand thoughts after watching/listening to this FMK but I just want to say that I could listen to the TFS guys talk about Dragon Ball for hours and hours and hours. I love you guys and I love this video.

Kaiser "We'll Get to That" Neko

I love how, halfway through, Grant and Kaiser just started ignoring Alejandro.

You are correct, Kaiser/Scott, yes the animation director was in fact replaced. The guy who was the head in the Buu saga in Z was the director but his style was hard for them to work with. And you guys got it mixed up with Tien and Roshi! They decided beforehand that they wanted to recruit Roshi and Tien was the one they only thought of afterward!

" can buu turn people back from food" well.. scott you skipped buu saga I see.. lol

Honestly the entire tournament arc of super feels to me like set-up for something better that we are gonna get. Setting up new compelling characters. Giving Goku and Vegeta different paths to power instead of constantly being in eachother a wake. Developing new sources of conflict

Best moment watching android 18 beat the shit outta ribrianne

45 seconds in and Grant once again becomes my immediate favorite.

I'm with Kaiser on Frieza, I vocally hated them replacing Buu with him, but all of that washed away after seeing the way they handled his return. I mean, you could cut the underlying tension in every scene and line bounced between him and Goku during that episode with a Kienzan and I honestly didn't think they had the writing chops or shot composition know-how to pull that kind of subtlety off. I guess the Resurrection F arc just left such a bad taste in my mouth that I had lost all hope that Frieza could be done justice in this show.

Honestly, this episode of FMK had a much more positive view of the arc than I was expecting, glad you guys enjoyed parts of it. This video helped me reconcile some of my issues with the arc, and for that I thank you. Question, would you be willing to do a DBS Abridged short for Goku, Freeza, and 17 bickering against Jiren? Cause that would be hilarious.

I really love this arc, but I also really like the criticism you bring in these discussions. Thanks for the great video!! Lots to think on :)

Ithink the ghost nappa thing might have been a coincidence, BUT the close-up on mr. Popo was definitely taken from you guys.

It seems that Teamfourstar really hates Goku Black arc minus MasakoX.

I absolutely dig royal blue - only because it finally makes Vegeta the strongest DB character who isn't a god. Especially after the end where Goku can't go into ultra-instict without being completely overwhelmed.

I *hated* what they did with Tien. I wish skinny Buu had been on the team instead. Or Cell. Cell's interactions with Fireza, the androids and Gohan would have been entertaining as hell.

It’s been theorized that the angels are all in a constant form of Ultra Instinct, and they all have white hair, so I’m theorizing that the reason Goku gets white hair in Ultra Instinct is because he’s a mortal gaining the fighting abilities of an angel.

One part that I personally loved the most was the intro to God of Destruction Toppo. The combination of the sheer intensity, speed, and Malice of Toppo during this beat down is one of the best uses. These factors have been used in varying ratios for so many villains and characters, but something about either the level or exact combination for Toppo in particular for this just spoke to me a lot more. I was honestly saying that people need to see this, which I'm not usually an advocate for "tying someone down to watch something". But this part in general was just really amazing for me.

I'm in Grant's camp in my thoughts for Super overall.

When Vegeta did the Final Explosion that should have been like when Goku got hit with his own Spirit Bomb causing a similar effect unlocking Ultra Instinct for him.

Great video guys!

Scott this has probably made you my favorite person in the TFS crew

God damn do I love your multiple hour long sessions. Like seriously. I’m so fucking excited.

Thanks for this guys ☺

Oh man, my favorite thing said about Gohan here: "what's the point if you're going to undo it." Just... for whatever reason, whoever is responsible for writing decisions absolutely haaaaaaaaaates the idea of following through on Gohan's character, ever, even after writing Gohan to state his own goals that he wants to reach for himself. Every single time he ever does or is given something, it gets undone or shoved aside. Given exactly what Grant says about how wonderful it is that Gohan has that home life away from the fighting, the writers seem outright malicious toward the character, more so than toward Tien if only because it went on all throughout Z as well. Biggest example is what he tells Goku during their fight during the tournament prep. He's gonna find his own unique ultimate form. Fast forward to when he gets literally shoved off-stage and the very next episodes the writers hand out new transformations like candy while denying Gohan self-fulfillment for the umpteenth time. "Shoutout to Gohan Blanco" like sure hahaha funny bad joke, but it's actually pretty pathetic that a terrible meme is more interested in following through with character development than the writers that keep propping the character up only to burn it down themselves.

1:49:00 I think that Goku and Vegeta's Resurrection F outfits we're specifically designed to make the Blue form stand out. Both characters are associated with having outfits that are blue, so when the blue was replaced with grey or taken away altogether, it left a strange void that we didn't even notice was wrong until the Blue forms were revealed, and then SUDDENLY it all looks right again. At least that's my personal theory anyway.

I feel like this arc happened too early. There should have been a few arcs before this where the U7 gang explored the other universes or something like that. Some way to get us attached to at least some of the other universes characters at least. It was a big mistake to introduce all of those random ass characters here with barely any time to develop them.

54:30 What if the reason they treated Goku as the villain was because he was the closest thing to a scapegoat they had. They're all so scared of Zeno they wouldn't dare say an unkind word to him but Goku is still basically a hate sink for their frustration.

Great talk. I agree with about all the ups and downs. It was an erratic ride but I'm glad I watched it. One of my favourites that wasn't mentioned was Episode 118. The men taking on Magical Girl powers to fight Goku and the Androids combined with Gohan and Piccolo against the Multi-Fused Namekians was great.

I’ve always liked to call Vegeta’s new form: Super Blue Vegeta.

This was wonderful

THANK YOU Kaiser, I've thought that reasoning for Goku going SSB against Krillin for EVER. showing just what he's up against, AND 18 even thinks that inner monologue style!

after watching them talking about ep 131 i had to go watch it again i really love that finally final battle 3 vs 1 couldn't have been better

Vegetafication of Frieza? Please, it's a Yamchafication, or at the very latest a Tienification. DB has been doing the enemy-turned-frenemy for a looooong time. Even before Piccolo and Vegeta. But nobody watched Dragonball.

Loved it. Favorite part was when they introduced the Sayains from Universe 6, Caulifla and Kale. I know some people hate them but I still found myself enjoying their screen time. Though, the arc’s not perfect. For example, Piccolo’s elimination was just awful. Besides a couple other flaws, I personally enjoyed the arc. Though, don’t hate me for enjoying the arc and super. If you didn’t enjoy it, it’s okay. It’s not for everyone.

This video just popped up in my feed as if it’s new, I must be starved for content

I would've loved to see Roshi with all his experience and wisdom leading the team. I could see him acting kinda like Mavis from fairy tail during their tournament arc and laying out the winning strategies for how to best utilize their teams strengths and weaknesses

I've been expecting this.

I feel like the relationship between goku and frieza has evolved into a mutual respect for each other's strength. But they also really hate eachother and I love it.

27:43 god I love how when Kaiser says this they both remember it, try to find some way around it, but can't come up with one

Bulma over 18...what is this heresy?

1:46:25 Yes! I spent about half of the arc shouting "FUSION! USE FUSION!" at the screen whenever they talked about Jiren being too strong to beat.

*Both of them praising the manga...and then the ToP chapters started, welp.* So, we gonna get a review of the manga ToP now?

This episode and the ToP arc as a whole can be basically summarized in these few words: so much potential to be one of the greatest arcs ever but that potential is almost never realized. Sad but true ;(

Wow I literally sat through the whole 2.5 hours

It’s so great hearing this after seeing the dragonball super super hero … their Gohans take was so valid and I feel like it is partly fixed

*Toei took Lord Popo from you in that one episode where Vegeta destroyed the time chamber*

Dudes I stayed awake until 2 or 3 in the morning to watch these last episodes of super as soon as they came out... so in my opinon this is clearly the best arc of super.

Here's the thing about Tenshinhan. Since the time skip after the piccolo jr. fight he has had a single role in every Arc: show up once, look cool for a hot second, But ultimately get his ass kicked. Super just continues that. I don't know where people get it in their head that he has been some powerful badass this entire time.

Caulifla and Kale were badass and so was their fusion, and how Goku took them out was soooooooooooooooooooo poetically gratifying.

17. Gather the Dragonballs and wish for a cruise. In EVERY UNIVERSE.

is no one considering Freeza becoming a God of Destruction? I thought that's what they were hinting at with Whis claiming "Beerus told me to bring you back." I for some reason remember that. I just think that twist may be a good way of keeping Freeza around while leaving him to still be an asshole.

Grant's opening line just slayed me.

Kaiser nailed almost all of my criticisms of this arc. I think even with the good moments of the arc I couldn't say I was okay with it overall though.

I thought of Frieza's murder spree and instantly thought of Stewie's "that was a GOOD! glass of O.j." then without mercy 1/2 murders brian LOL

I loved all of this and then some! It was great to completely agree and completely disagree to many of the thoughts on the good and bad in Dragon Ball Super. It as very intriguing to hear the parts that I didn't think about before and surface up as a hidden slacking part of super or a hidden gem of super. I personally loved Dragon Ball Super, but not as much as the og dragon ball or Z. Great job on the review guys and can't wait to see the upcoming movie and see you guys dissect that too. Keep it up!

1:10:30 f yea Kaiser, very much appreciate the Asura's Wrath comment, love that game lol

I thought Tien was the last minute thought and Roshi was the one Goku was looking for.

KAGGY I S HERE bro that's AWESOME

27:24 HOLY SHIT!!! I dropped Super for AWHILE because I was sick of it. I fucking didn’t know he did this shit. Kaizer is extremely right here. Holy shit. Also full on agreement for the previous topic. Ntr isn’t okay. Like holy shit I’m blown away by this.

The problem with Roshi in Super is that he doesn't get punished for being a creep. I don't like the pervy character bit in general, but if you take away the punishment its no longer a joke.

aw, that ultra instinct kamehameha blast to her face from goku. I screamed Dooooommmm!!!

It's nice to see a more middle ground discussion of DBS for a change (even if the series just ended)

I'm really looking forward to the next series. Super just kinda feels like a pre-show to me. Like a big big building up and as far as I heard about the rebuilding of the whole editor segment, I'm pretty excited about what will come. The expectation is high as always but in the end I'm just happy to be able to watch new dragon ball stuff again. I hope the movie will be succesfull and we will get a new and way better series.

56:47 I agree and it's the EXACT same problem I had with the Goku black ark.

1:33 actually Goku absorbed the genki, at that point Goku had lost completely and couldn't fight anymore, the rest of the tournament is him running purely on Genki, which is why he was able to unlock ultra instinct, he was at his actual limit but didn't want to die for the first time.

According to the timeline, Chiaotzu is 44 years old during the Universe Survival Arc....

Love the video guys, as always, great work! Also, wanted to let you know that you have "Surivival" in the title instead of "Survival" like you meant.

"Ok Boys!...Turtle Hermit school secret technique!... Krillin grab her shirt... Just like at Baba's"

Love you team for star

I want a version of ToP that actually took 48 minutes

OOOooooof. After FINALLY being at the near ending of DBS (I waited for the Dub Official Release), this 3 hour roundtable was just what the doctor ordered.

I'm surprised they didn't bring up the nostalgia bomb of a stinger that was Goku and Vegeta striking their original fighting poses while standing somewhere strikingly similar to where they first fought while Cha-la Head Cha-la played in the background.

“I never did get that boat...”

*sees Kaggy* *now has the dopiest smile on my face for the rest of the video*

I had to watch the last fight for like the 20th time after this. Best fight in DB no contest

They took less than 10 minutes of ONE episode to flesh out Jirens character...the MAIN ANTAGONIST/CHALLENGE but spent tons on Ribrianne who got flickered away and will never amount to anything important to the story. I love the world building, I love any and everything that isnt Goku but I also value some good writing and I dont think there wasenough of that in this arc.

"Just because you love something unconditionally doesn't mean you love it better, it just means you love it sadder." I believe that was Jenny Nicholson. Good person to quote, she's awesome.

the vegeta ultra instinct rant was 100% waranted but I wonder if they felt gratified or if it was too little to late when ultra ego vegeta became a thing.

major problem with the tournament was that it felt like everyone had to hold their punches while fighting for their lives and universes, what was the big deal about killing your opponents when beating them gets them erased from existance

Super had some really big problems but enjoyed it

Right around the episode Piccolo got knocked off. It started getting rushed really badly. After that they knocked off two universes in quick succession, it just felt rushed.

I genuinely enjoy SSJB Evolution.

at 1hour and 22 minutes Kaggy: "i want to see goku fight himself as ss4." Super Dragonball Heroes PR Anime: "Done."

super cool☑️

Waiting for the Kanzenshuu podcast on this arc, with Scott in it, like I'm waiting for Infinity War