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Drinker's Chasers - Our Thoughts On The Last of Us Episode 3 

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Episode 3 of The Last Of Us has been the most divisive so far. Join us as we share our thoughts on the show.
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@jimbo9305
@jimbo9305 Год назад
If, in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, someone gifted me a town with a bunker, a cache of weapons, traps, an electric fence, electricity, a garden, and hot, running water, I would be extremely hard-pressed to continue on whatever mission I had.
@JoseMunoz-vs4tr
@JoseMunoz-vs4tr Год назад
This. Bill turned out to be a bit of a softy in the show so you're telling me he wouldn't let two very capable hands stay around in one of the houses? You're telling me that Joel and Tess wouldn't choose to try and stay there instead of slaving away in the QZ? We were told before that Tess and Joel did awful things to survive this far, that's how Tess convinced him to keep carrying on this mission. We get a glimpse of their past and they are having tea with this fairly vulnerable people they found that are sitting on a pile of goods. All they had to do was take Bill out and they could have taken everything he had. They live in such a perfect little bubble that I found it jarring. I'm not asking to see every raider attack or infected intrusion but reflect it in their world. Their house and the one around should have been boarded up with shot out windows. Burned cars on the street. Hodge podge patches on the fence.
@LordNithilus
@LordNithilus Год назад
I'm more surprised more people (including the military) didn't try overtaking the compound considering it had working electricity, weapon stashes, lots of non-perishable food and a relatively large fruit/veg garden.
@dobrepytanie828
@dobrepytanie828 Год назад
two dead dudes in the bedroom though
@shanetaylor761
@shanetaylor761 Год назад
@Jose Munoz I think sometimes for the sake of enjoyment you gotta make assumptions. Really it just comes down to if fedra or the fireflies found out about it. You know a group big enough to either swarm him or attack multiple times. If not the maybe he just has the best defense system ever. I thought it was so weird when in the middle of being shot he was like the fence will take care of the rest. All i though was how many people can run into fire and electricity and why did you put your life in danger then. Also why didn't he have cars or some type of cover set up. You'd think you'd fortify your...fort so that you're not standing in the middle of the street with a rifle. I found that scene so enthralling but that took me out of the moment a little still. Stuff like that or Joel not raiding his gun room at the end make me feel like robots write these scripts sometimes.
@deathpyre42
@deathpyre42 Год назад
@@shanetaylor761 My guess was that he used a bunch of infested suburbs as a decoy. Fedra doesn't have satellite surveillance right? So if he just left a ring of seemingly untouched but very infected buildings around his compound with subtle relatively safe routes in&out that only he knew about, then from the ground you wouldn't really be able to spot anything.
@JoJoJoker
@JoJoJoker Год назад
Why did Joel leave all of Bill’s rifles when he is about to travel thousands of miles through dangerous territory to protect a very important person?
@Lawful_Rebel
@Lawful_Rebel Год назад
Granted I don't know the game, but in real life it would be prudent to keep weight to a bare minimum and the larger calibre hand gun for close quarters would be far more useful than a long weapon.
@HansKlopek
@HansKlopek Год назад
Because guns bad.
@rogue_of_the_winds1286
@rogue_of_the_winds1286 Год назад
@@Lawful_Rebel A rifle is far more useful. Handguns don't hit worth a shit past a few yards. If the rifle has a scope, you can use it for scouting and tracking. A heavy ass handgun would be junk, maybe a light handgun with a large magazine and M1A for mid to long range. It's really not that hard dog.
@LittleMopeHead
@LittleMopeHead Год назад
Yeah, you never know what you will run into. They have a vehicle to carry such weapons. Carry maybe 5 to limit if you want to play that game. When they need to walk on foot, they can then choose from the collection. Better than having nothing on hand.
@Vhalikuporamee447
@Vhalikuporamee447 Год назад
@Lawful Rebel Long arms are in a totally different league when it comes to practical accuracy at any distance. They may be bigger and heavier, but nonetheless they are indispensable. No kind of handgun can supplant a carbine or rifle in terms of general use.
@buddyrem9917
@buddyrem9917 Год назад
Killing off Bill and Frank early robbed Joel of a lesson learned. Bill is Joel’s foil, a warning from the future about where Joel’s path of emotional isolation will lead. Bill ended up pushing everyone he cared about out of his life, dooming himself to “surviving” alone, bitter and sad. Turning Bill’s tragedy into a happy ending betray’s the original message. Also, the romanticizing of assisted suicide doesn’t vibe with the ending the game gave us, but it matches perfectly with TLoU part 2’s interpretation of the ending. I think it’s gonna be all downhill from here.
@JoseMunoz-vs4tr
@JoseMunoz-vs4tr Год назад
Part of me feels they were afraid of portraying a gay relationship in a negative. But what is the point of showing a story of a hard man learning to care when the story at large is of a hard man learning to care again? In the game Bill was a look into what Joel could become, in the show it was just our main story speed run
@TacticalDimples
@TacticalDimples Год назад
Bill is still Joel’s foil just in a positive light instead of a negative one. Whether it’s a good change or not is something we won’t know until towards the end of the season. Let’s hope they know what they’re doing.
@shawklan27
@shawklan27 Год назад
@@JoseMunoz-vs4tr good point
@marinawolf
@marinawolf Год назад
@@TacticalDimples A foil is an active character, not a dead one whose challenges come from a suicide note.
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 Год назад
Either "The Last of Us" is a story about how genuine sacrificial masculinity and its love and protection of genuine femininity can give us hope even through the worst possible disaster, or it's a nihilistic tale signifying nothing. It's Joel's job to make sure Ellie can find a nice young man and together they can repopulate humanity. Any other path this story takes, is a path to oblivion. Wokeness is the antagonist here, both in-story and meta.
@ProxyDoug
@ProxyDoug Год назад
They ask actors not to check the source material so they can avoid a Cavill situation where the actor cares more about the source material than they do.
@schmucknorris2672
@schmucknorris2672 Год назад
And they are wrong for it. Cavill was right to car about that role. The decision makes NO FUCKING SENSE to ask an actor be less prepared. It's a horrible choice. Especially when you're already starting with a horrible actress who never should have gotten the role in the first place.
@TacticalDimples
@TacticalDimples Год назад
And look at where that got them lmao. Honestly people wouldn’t care if the Witcher was actually adapted with love and care like the last of us. While the last of us isn’t a 1:1 adaptation, it still retains the core themes and characterization of the games.
@hoagiemacintosh781
@hoagiemacintosh781 Год назад
@@TacticalDimples Mehh, is definitely pandering with messaging and tones, but it’s just more subtle than other modern projects.
@herrikudo
@herrikudo Год назад
@@TacticalDimples not at all correct in any way whatsoever thank you
@15Candles
@15Candles Год назад
Uh Pedro did play the game. Yeah he was told not too but he played it anyways. And it's not even the actor's job to know about the source material since the writers are the ones who control the story. It's their choice to learn it or not, if they play it that's fine, if they don't play it, that's also fine. Any problem with the show is the responsibility of the writers rather than the actors 🤷
@Cyberguy64
@Cyberguy64 Год назад
I don't know why anyone would give modern entertainment the benefit of the doubt these days. Either they're upfront with their intentions to destroy what you love, or they're going to pull a bait-and-switch once they think they've gotten you hooked.
@devlinallistair5147
@devlinallistair5147 Год назад
Exactly. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me several dozen times...
@danielwhite1135
@danielwhite1135 Год назад
Yup
@ashmelon7272
@ashmelon7272 Год назад
Opinions are opinions and I respect the guys'. However, they should understand better why people feel so jaded and skeptical about this show as well. And while this one has not been bad, it is difficult to enjoy something when you anticipate the rug being pulled out from under you once they get you nice and comfy because they do it every time.
@MGSVxBreakpoint
@MGSVxBreakpoint Год назад
Yup. And never pre-order. Ever again
@HansKlopek
@HansKlopek Год назад
These people are punks. They just keep conforming.
@WeirdFishes_
@WeirdFishes_ Год назад
Really enjoyed Eric July/ YoungRippa59’s opinions on this episode, think he nailed it on the head for this one 👏
@Jimmy-oi4go
@Jimmy-oi4go Год назад
100% agree. His take on this episode has given me hope for the rest of the season 😂😂
@minifridge6330
@minifridge6330 Год назад
I’m not crazy right? He didn’t say anything? I watched the whole episode waiting for him to talk😂
@rollzmoist5061
@rollzmoist5061 Год назад
he just kept drinking an empty carton lol
@jamesR1990
@jamesR1990 Год назад
I kept waiting for him to get involved 😂
@GinNBoost
@GinNBoost Год назад
Guy is a beacon of knowledge
@jackburton2946
@jackburton2946 Год назад
Rob is wrong sbout Ellie, she has been in boarding school all her life and occasionally sneaks out. Yes she probably seen stuff but nothing really of what lies out there. The others are right about the actress playing Ellie. They have made her character to strong minded. Her spiky attitude in the game comes from covering up her innocence. Things like playing with fireflies for the first time, not being able to swim, reading jokes to Joel, first time seeing a giraffe, a horse, her arcade machine excitement, teen movie poster on the wall excitement . These child like moments are the things that chip away at Joel's barrier and ours to let him become a father again. The games Ellie does it in such away that she is so charming, you can see why you would be become her protector. Hopefully the actress can pull this off but time is running out.
@edmediciN7
@edmediciN7 Год назад
I really missed these moments with Ellie. She is just so unbearable in the show, like a stupid kid that has no ideia it is living in an apocalipse
@Th-ch5ez
@Th-ch5ez Год назад
No replies on this post?
@johnwilliams9412
@johnwilliams9412 Год назад
robs wrong on all his takes.
@cympimpin20
@cympimpin20 Год назад
They're not gonna pull it off. They don't want to. Remember that Cuckman wasn't really the motive force behind the Last of Us game, Amy Hennig was. Once she was edged out and Cuckman was in charge, we got the sequel. The people who have been in charge hate the idea of a girl being portrayed as weak, naïve, needing guidance, relying on a man for anything, etc. Even if those are beginning traits set up to show her growth, they can't stand doing it at all. They couldn't let themselves make show Ellie and Joel be more like game Ellie and Joel because game Joel has too much agency and game Ellie makes you want to take care of her because she needs to be taken care of. These basic "heteronormative" human traits make Leftists blood boil.
@jamiekelly6851
@jamiekelly6851 Год назад
@@johnwilliams9412 no he is not, he's more reasonable and in the middle and willing to give something a chance. Most of the guys on here have already made up there mind before they see something short of drinker and mauler.
@BlackMetalGods
@BlackMetalGods Год назад
Noticed that Eric didn't say anything in this video but it doesn't surprise me. Since he's like me and tweeted about it not to long ago that he doesn't consume modern content from companies and people that hate you.
@shrimpersfan100
@shrimpersfan100 Год назад
What was the point of him being on the panel though? Was real weird waiting for him to speak and... nothing
@harrydubois6619
@harrydubois6619 Год назад
Then he might as well just be an empty seat if all he ever has to say is “I didn’t watch it, I don’t care”
@jrconway3
@jrconway3 Год назад
@@shrimpersfan100 This clearly is a clip from a larger stream. Drinker does these all the time, actually very often specific conversations in a longer stream are clipped out to highlight one piece of a conversation. Eric just didn't have anything to say in this part of the stream. Even then, Eric still comments on things sometimes even if he doesn't watch them. He can read about what actually happened and compare it to the games assuming he played the games and provide commentary on it without having actually watched the show at all.
@markgreen3199
@markgreen3199 Год назад
@@shrimpersfan100 This is clipped from a steam where they talk about many things. I was confused at first as well.
@octavianschaefer7294
@octavianschaefer7294 Год назад
If you don’t say anything nobody will care about the opinion you refused to share
@StriderDSC
@StriderDSC Год назад
What's divisive about it isn't the content, it's that they left out key elements of character development and interaction between Joel, Ellie, and Bill. At that point in the games, Ellie actively has to prove she is capable of dealing with both infected and other humans that aren't enemies, but also don't give a shit about her. It's one of her key tests to see how the rest of her journey is going to go. It also gives Joel the platform to show how good of a smuggler and survivor he really was / is and how good of a survivalist Bill was. By giving Bill a different ending, it removes further barriers for Ellie to overcome and it doesn't display that Joel is very, very capable and brutal. It also misses the chance to further escalate danger because Joel and Ellie make it to Bill / Frank's unopposed and just walk right in, which was very much not the case otherwise. Would've been better if they kept the best elements of Episode 3 between Frank and Bill, but then brought the game scenario for Bill, Ellie, Joel. It would've hit WAY harder.
@rockettheracoon85
@rockettheracoon85 Год назад
Um no…what’s divisive is the content for most people who are reactionary online. If your acting in good faith criticisms then yes, what was divisive was the characters and their development through the story. But most ppl are making it divisive. Cuz of the big gay which shouldn’t matter at all.
@tyv1383
@tyv1383 Год назад
@@rockettheracoon85 They wouldn’t have shown the relationship if it was a straight one. 😂😂😂
@osmanyousif7849
@osmanyousif7849 Год назад
Not to mention it removes one of the scarier aspects that the three end up confronting: The Bloater. But maybe, they’ll confront one when they run into Henry and Sam or when Ellie meets David.
@natediaz1863
@natediaz1863 Год назад
@@tyv1383 exactly, and if they did it would have been toxic.
@rockettheracoon85
@rockettheracoon85 Год назад
Wdym? Of course they would have…
@garym6315
@garym6315 Год назад
As a straight person I've never enjoyed watching gay content on TV and I think the reason for that is that they tend to always show gays as stereotypes and fixate on CONSTANT public displays of affection. They probably think that we wont know someone is gay if they're not flamboyantly over the top or kissing all the time. The comic industry has gone all in on that disrespectful style of representation. But as these guys say about this episode, it is just two people who happen to be together in a relationship and act like a normal couple.
@thecensoredmuscle563
@thecensoredmuscle563 Год назад
The whole gay episode grossed me out, and it served no purpose to the show.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 Год назад
@@thecensoredmuscle563 Ok guy with a profile pic of oiled up muscle men
@thecensoredmuscle563
@thecensoredmuscle563 Год назад
@Donovan lol I'm not oiled up in this pic. That would be funny though.
@jtm1283
@jtm1283 Год назад
You reveal your actual feelings when you say that a gay couple living behind a flame-throwing traps and an electric fence exhibit "CONSTANT public displays of affection."
@ninjamonkey169
@ninjamonkey169 Год назад
Completely get what you're saying. It really bought the humanity that the show needed in a world where hope and happiness is rare. They took a small part of the game and did an amazing job with expansion, the downside being that it's a high water mark that the show will have trouble reaching again.
@terragthegreat175
@terragthegreat175 Год назад
I miss the grittiness of the game. The world of the game feels a lot more brutal than this one. They've really clipped a lot of the violence and gore, and taking Bill from a crusty, cynical, and morally vague individual into a soft and caring lover really contributes to watering down the vibe of the show. I'm not saying it's bad, but the game feels more like an apocalypse than the show.
@wkatz0
@wkatz0 Год назад
Sadly, that's probably due to budget. Scenes of characters talking are so much cheaper than action.
@randomdude189
@randomdude189 Год назад
The last of us sucks and was a cliche story. The uncharted games suck too but people love crap. The masses lose mediocre bs
@widexawake_
@widexawake_ Год назад
​@@randomdude189 Dude, you didn't need to out yourself as being tasteless like this.
@bryanbarr4151
@bryanbarr4151 Год назад
The grittiness if the show was very apparent in episode 1 especially. They did a really good job with the mayhem in the beginning (when Joel lost his daughter) and then showing the walled city of Boston. They got a lot of that right. Episode 2 showed more of the same with major reminders of events in the game, but they got episode 3 all wrong. Bill's town was not a utopia. It was full of infected and they changed major events in the game. They also eliminated all dialog that went on between Bill, Joel and Ellie. It was not true to the game and that is what game fans are looking for. True that some are watching that arent fans of the game, but remember TLOU film version would not even exist without the game. I hope the writers have that in mind for the future of the show
@SecondTake123
@SecondTake123 Год назад
@@randomdude189 tell us how you really feel 🤣
@malzo1701
@malzo1701 Год назад
Having a filler episode, regardless of quality, be the third episode is a huge red flag. Also, anyone giving Druckman the benefit of the doubt is just asking for disappointment.
@marinawolf
@marinawolf Год назад
Bingo!
@whadayadoin3300
@whadayadoin3300 Год назад
Exactly
@GusAdolphus-jf7ee
@GusAdolphus-jf7ee Год назад
if you hate the creator of this show so much why are you watching? maybe go watch something else if that is going to get in the way of you enjoying something?
@disregard7275
@disregard7275 Год назад
@Gus Adolphus Because maybe he liked the game an wanted to give the series a shot? Or maybe it's the fact he's allowed to give criticism on the show? Don't act like a child just because you don't like what you hear lol
@GusAdolphus-jf7ee
@GusAdolphus-jf7ee Год назад
@@disregard7275 saying the episode is bad because the director said something in some interview is precisely the reason this person shouldnt be watching. Not all criticism is valid.
@Last_March_of_the_Gents
@Last_March_of_the_Gents Год назад
I liked the episode right until Bill killed himself and we were robbed of that amazing interaction between Ellie, Bill and Joel. And when you realize that the interaction was robbed, the question now is what was the purpose of that episode? In isolation, fantastic acting and an engaging character study. But what did it add to our protagonists journey or development? Nothing. In fact all they contributed as ruined ellie by making her bloodlust hungry
@zachrohler1047
@zachrohler1047 Год назад
That's the objective. To make her hostile and aggressive so abby has a more valid reason for killing all her freinds.
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
I think we got "interaction" through the letter. It told us that Bill and Joel are much the same (in the show). So through exploring Bill's life in the apocalypse, by excited we explored Joel's (while still leaning the writers enough room for actual future Joel flashbacks).
@zachrohler1047
@zachrohler1047 Год назад
@@4203105 except bill and Joel are 2 entirely diffrent people. That's part of the problem. Bill was a hostile lonely hermit who wanted to be left alone. Joel is a beaten down survivor who has stayed alive and working the entire time after the traumatic death of his daughter. They have some similarities but are 2 diffrent men. Shows need to stop pretending every Male is the same. Frank hated Bill's guts by the end and would rather die than be around bill anylonger (as stated in the game note) so seeing a loving relationship between to men has absolutely nothing to do with Joel or ellie's story. They dont even meet bill so it matters none. A letter isnt enough to change your outlook over a tragic experience.
@terragthegreat175
@terragthegreat175 Год назад
@@4203105 eh not the same.
@jarrarwinks8470
@jarrarwinks8470 Год назад
This
@catnip9757
@catnip9757 Год назад
I never played the game. not knowing the two characters I didn’t enjoy what felt like a filler episode for two characters or place we’ll never see again felt like a giant waste.
@Aaron-ld1lu
@Aaron-ld1lu Год назад
I think that the episode was great but it wasn’t for this particular show. It had nothing to do with the story and was pointless
@gamermike24
@gamermike24 Год назад
I haven't seen it yet but Frank is already dead by the time Joel and Ellie meet Bill in the game. And Frank didn't particularly like Bill leaving a crumbled letter that Joel finds.
@keiichi8191
@keiichi8191 Год назад
If I remember correctly from the game, Joel and Ellie come up on Bill's territory and almost get killed in one of his traps before he finds and rescues them. Then Joel basically calls in a favor with Bill to extort him into helping them find a working car. Bill says he thinks he knows where one might be, and they all set off across the town, heading through a school, and into a residential neighborhood all while being periodically chased by hordes of infected. You finally find an old truck that Bill and his "partner" had at one point been trying to fix, which is when Bill discovers that his "partner" who had disappeared some time ago had left because he couldn't stand being around Bill any longer, then gotten himself infected and decided to hang himself. He leaves behind a really bitter letter basically calling Bill an insufferable piece of sh-t and saying that he'd rather die than spend another minute around him. It's only then that the player even really discovers that him and Bill had been romantically involved and that Bill was gay. Bill's sexuality was all but irrelevant to the chapter. Figures the modern television show would make literally the entire episode revolve around it.
@zachrohler1047
@zachrohler1047 Год назад
@@keiichi8191 nobody in social media seems to remeber that Frank hated bill at the end...
@Fadaar
@Fadaar Год назад
@@keiichi8191 Yeah this is the one change so far I REALLY wasn't a fan of. We were robbed of the Bill/Ellie interactions for one and also killing Bill off just sucks.
@SIRSHANKSALOT12
@SIRSHANKSALOT12 Год назад
It's a shame that Bill and Ellie never got to meet.
@davidross5640
@davidross5640 Год назад
well these are neither bill nor ellie, so it was impossible from the start...
@jackcarver5412
@jackcarver5412 Год назад
@@davidross5640 spoke how i fell about these characters
@davidross5640
@davidross5640 Год назад
@@jackcarver5412 the irony is that i never even played the game, but from all the conversations i have heard about it i have the love and respect for the thing as sacred art... thats how real fans are supposed to be, not wanting things changed, but wanting something good to be cherished...
@SecondTake123
@SecondTake123 Год назад
And them meeting would advance the story how?
@davidross5640
@davidross5640 Год назад
@@SecondTake123 it would contribute a whole lot more then broke back mountain ever did...
@tbone262001
@tbone262001 Год назад
It was a well done episode. That said it deviated from the game completely for the Bill story. In the game the lesson of Bill was that no matter how hard you prepared and tried to keep people you love safe you can't. And if you try too much you can actually drive those you love away, even until death. The TV show was the exact opposite. It makes me a bit nervous about how the show will end.
@TacticalDimples
@TacticalDimples Год назад
But they serve the same purpose and that’s to impart on Joel. In both the game and show, Bill represents what Joel could become. The only difference is that one is negative and the other positive.
@robrick9361
@robrick9361 Год назад
@@TacticalDimples Except that directly contradicts the ending. Joel ends up choosing Ellie over humanity. That's why something bad happens with every character encountered in the game. Showing Bill and Frank making a nice life for themselves in this terrible world undermines why Joel would choose Ellie over humanity. If reclusive and paranoid Bill can find someone then maybe humanity is worth saving........see the problems this causes.
@roberthesser6402
@roberthesser6402 Год назад
@@robrick9361 the moral of the original game was never that humans were or weren’t worth saving. It was about the relationships we develop together, the loves we form, friends and family, father and daughter, etc. joel wasn’t sacrificing humanity to save Ellie, he was at worst denying the fireflies the chance to reign Supreme by butchering his adoptive daughter. And that’s assuming you believe the procedure would work, which I doubt it would. The fact that they thought they had to kill her tells me the doctor didn’t know what he was doing. Ultimately, the story of the last of us is about love. The first game in particular is about finding the light of love in a dark world. It’s not about saving humanity, it’s a smaller and in many ways more meaningful story about the relationship between a father and his adoptive daughter. It doesn’t concern itself with the grand philosophical questions, such as whether or not humanity is worth saving. That question is almost trite in comparison to the meat of the story, which is about how far you would go to save your loved ones.
@robrick9361
@robrick9361 Год назад
​@@roberthesser6402 You're forgetting that the game ends with Joel lying to Ellie about the Fireflies. If this is about love then why wouldn't he just tell her the truth? Because Joel knows Ellie was willing to sacrifice herself to help humanity. Which he decided against. Also your idea about how far you'd go to save your loved ones, IN REGARDS TO JOEL PROTECTING ELLIE, makes no sense since Ellie takes care of Joel after he's almost killed and even manages to kill her attempted rapist. Ellie was capable in her own right. She started off an ignorant girl to the world but quickly developed into a survivor........like Joel. Which is something many seem to completely miss. Ellie was not some helpless girl by the end of the game. She very much took after Joel and grew into the daughter he cared for. This wouldn't have happened if the world wasn't so cruel and filled with Bills and Franks in happy relationships.
@tbone262001
@tbone262001 Год назад
@@robrick9361 this
@lionheart1531
@lionheart1531 Год назад
Bill in the game was gay, and it's just not a big deal at all, it barely comes up at all and I thought it was nice that a character is gay without it being his fucking personality. Otherwise his character is quite similar. In the game each chapter is a different season, and looks at a different aspect of humanity. 'The last of us' is a nod to the last of humanity in this broken world. Bill in the game is a prepper. The town he lives in is huge and infested with infected. His character I loved. He's such an asshole, but he's very prepared. He's fat for a start which shows he has food resources, good in a fight, has traps everywhere, shitloads of supplies. But he's cold, untrusting. First thing he does in handcuff Ellie to a pipe and hold Joel at gunpoint before agreeing to help. You go through the entire town to get a car battery. You succeed, but at the end you find Frank. He's hung himself, and left a note for Bill calling him a peace of shit, and he'd rather try and survive alone than put up with his shit anymore. Before you and Ellie leave town, Joel thanks Bill and wishes him well, and Bill tells him to get the fuck out if his town, and Joel looks uncharacteristically hurt. Bill has everything materialist he could need. He's the ultimate survivor. He has the first 2 points of maslows triangle down. But he has no reason to live. Frank was the only spark of humanity he had, and he pushed him away because he had become so obsessed with surviving. Its really tragic but well done.
@bigscheesy4982
@bigscheesy4982 Год назад
You got a really good faith take on this episode, i wish more people who have something to say about this episode didn't come from a place of blind hate or appraisal. I think both versions of bill are good, and i dont think I could say one is objectively better. Its a real shame gay characters are divisive like this, where if a character is subtly gay its not enough for people, and if a character is shown being gay its too much. I feel like this episode will be a standout in terms of deviating from the game and the rest of the show will probably be smaller changes like tess. Hope you have fun watching the show.
@lionheart1531
@lionheart1531 Год назад
@Bigscheesy498 I'm biased and love the first game, so I prefer the game version, but I still enjoyed the ep and respected it who what it accomplished. I really disliked part 2, and I feel the biggest loss for that game was the world building, where the apocalypse feels so different between the 2 games. Bill in the game isn't an awful guy, but he's a product of circumstance, same as the raiders and other characters later on, where as in the show its an almost idyllic life Bill leads which doesn't teach the lesson for the player and Joel that it does in the game. Like I said, still good but preferred the game.
@someguycp
@someguycp Год назад
wow an actual good critical take that doesn’t have an obviously negative undertone about how “modern entertainment has fallen off”. god bless you man.
@tumhalad1
@tumhalad1 Год назад
Being gay *isn't* his personality in the episode. OMG.
@yesman9792
@yesman9792 Год назад
@@tumhalad1 he loves wine, grows flowers, wears plaid shirts tucked into khakis, and has double dates with his boyfriend now....they definitely made him extra gay and a borderline stereotype.
@AndersonClips
@AndersonClips Год назад
you aren't allowed to say anything bad about it online. people are writing articles saying its a masterpiece.
@mattcollins3591
@mattcollins3591 Год назад
‘Allowed
@ayanithtalreign
@ayanithtalreign Год назад
Really feels like a song and dance. Ellie/Joel's relationship is nonexistent and the rest of the series won't change that if I wanted to bet. People will look back on this episode as a "well, guess they should've used their time better" realization.
@IknowIamkindagreat
@IknowIamkindagreat Год назад
allowed
@SuperSuperdude88
@SuperSuperdude88 Год назад
id say i agree, but also you cant say anything positive about it either without people attacking you for that.
@mister-pinkman
@mister-pinkman Год назад
@@ayanithtalreign the series should absolutely be 11 or 12 episodes imo. But the point of this episode is to show Joel that this is his third chance have a purpose and protect because he failed Sarah and Tess. Bill was hardened too but he found a purpose with Frank
@thp4315
@thp4315 Год назад
The problem with the episode is that it has nothing to do with the plot. Drinker, as a writer, I figured you would hate it for that reason.
@codyglass809
@codyglass809 Год назад
Exactly. Pure filler 3 episodes in. Still haven't even established a character to care about. Ellie is insufferably annoying and Joel is just a bump on a log.
@r.e.z9428
@r.e.z9428 Год назад
What happened to that whole “The Message” thing he likes to point out or how the show changes events that just didn’t happen from the source.
@ayanithtalreign
@ayanithtalreign Год назад
Seems like we're hesitant to call it like it is until the rest of this trainwreck derails.
@KingEgyptian
@KingEgyptian Год назад
@@r.e.z9428 For real, "the message" was in everyone's face, yet the Drinker didn't seem to mind.
@zillawith3zs234
@zillawith3zs234 Год назад
Poor Drinker is being driven into madness.
@apex403
@apex403 Год назад
For Mauler @ 17:30 , regarding the "green screens" of the city - those are actual shots of the city / buildings (city I live in , Calgary AB for most of this), but they CGI'd onto the building/cityscape to make them look dilapidated / taken over by nature. (aside from the toppled buildings, obviously ;) ). It's super surreal to see the city I live in , and the buildings I see on my drive into work down looking like that on the show
@tommymaddox6785
@tommymaddox6785 Год назад
The 91 octane gas is a dead giveaway as well
@markgreen3199
@markgreen3199 Год назад
Interesting, thanks for the tidbits. I actually find this more interesting than the episode lol
@taylorco64
@taylorco64 Год назад
@06:16 Although I agree with point of trying to find light in a dark age, that role wasn't for Bill and Frank. That role was for Ellie, which led to influencing Joel. Bill and Frank's story in the show could have been a romantic story which ended tragically to expand upon the characters and follow the rhythm of the games. If they really wanted, they could have even had Bill go out feeling bad he Pushed the one person that loved him away.
@wtfisdaking99
@wtfisdaking99 Год назад
Which is what the game does lol. It may be more detailed or whatever ppl wanna call it but it’s been years since the game came out. They could have at least made it tied to the story or if they wanna do the detailed episodes, add more for the season AND do it for all big side characters like Tess. She got done dirty. When she died I was more like meh
@Last_March_of_the_Gents
@Last_March_of_the_Gents Год назад
The fact that Bill and frank made such a utopia instead of fighting for survival undermines Joel's choice at the end of the game. Clearly you don't need a cure, civilisation can blossom in remote areas and the biggest threat is humans, not infected
@00spinz35
@00spinz35 Год назад
Wouldn't that actually be a point towards Joel making his choice? He knows bill and frank were prosperous no cure needed He knows Jackson was prosperous no cure needed I'd say it would help him make that decision , reinforce not undermine
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
Joel's "choice" isn't a choice anyway since these quacks don't have a snowball's chance in hell of finding a cure. They prove that by getting ready to kill their only test subject after like 12 hours. Joel's "choice" is the only right course, both for his family and for humanity. Maybe there are actual competent doctors elsewhere on the planet, who can find a cure with Ellie's help.
@Enigma75614
@Enigma75614 Год назад
Another thing I didn’t like was that Ellie stole the gun. Joel finally trusting her with the rifle was such a good moment in the game, and it looks like we’re not going to get that scene.
@jp3813
@jp3813 Год назад
Joel trusted her w/ the rifle after he scolded her for taking his handgun and shooting a guy.
@Dustyphoto915
@Dustyphoto915 Год назад
@@jp3813 Imagine if the show was as good as the game and we saw that. A sense of urgency, danger, and bonding between the two main protagonist. Hope this show gets back on track soon.
@jp3813
@jp3813 Год назад
@@Dustyphoto915 That was after the Bill section. Hence, we haven't gotten to that part of the story yet.
@Enigma75614
@Enigma75614 Год назад
@@jp3813 They completely changed it.
@jp3813
@jp3813 Год назад
@@Enigma75614 Not completely. She still had to shoot a guy to save Joel, the gun was still confiscated, and then entrusted to her shortly after. The big difference is that she wasn't portrayed as a sharpshooting sniper who can take out waves of men w/o tearing up about it.
@RoamingRyan
@RoamingRyan Год назад
I find it disappointing that fans of the franchise cannot be unhappy with this episode without being labeled. Episode 3 wasn't necessary in the way it was portrayed.
@WickedScott
@WickedScott Год назад
Don't be afraid to say you don't like watching gay sex. They are wrong.
@mister-pinkman
@mister-pinkman Год назад
This point of this episode was to show that even someone who has completely lost faith in humanity (Bill and Joel) can still redeem themselves by finding a purpose and protecting the ones they care about (Frank and Ellie). Joel failed twice with Sarah and Tess, and now he has a third chance to protect Ellie. He can’t and won’t let screw it up again. The note that Ellie read at the end of the episode cements this theme.
@johnglue1744
@johnglue1744 Год назад
We all got the point. It wasn’t that deep. The original comment mentioned being labeled because for criticism of the episode.
@mister-pinkman
@mister-pinkman Год назад
@@johnglue1744 I was only responding to him saying the episode was unnecessary
@SurferMan127
@SurferMan127 Год назад
@@mister-pinkman It was. You’re literally saying the point of the episode was to telegraph Joel’s character arc with a couple of side characters that appear and leave in one episode. How about just… giving us Joel’s character arc? Three episodes in, it is WAY too early to label this episode as some entry in the pantheon of Golden television (and we all know why people are rushing to do that). This soon in a show’s run, it is a completely self-indulgent detour from a writer that has far from “proven himself” in his ability to tell this story. At its core this episode was an annoying and unnecessary sideshow.
@robl1616
@robl1616 Год назад
Critical Drinker likes the MESSAGEEEE!!! hahaha
@chrispekel5709
@chrispekel5709 Год назад
I didn't mind it but their scenes should have tied in better with the present. A scene with an argument over making a battery or something would have been good. Not just all about their love story. Do the love story but tie it in with Joel and Ellie's present problem
@chrispekel5709
@chrispekel5709 Год назад
What I mean is, their love story didn't have enough consequence for the present day, and it became a hamfisted way to tell us what Joel needs to do - except he wasn't even there and only read a letter from a guy he didn't like much
@blackdynamite_5470
@blackdynamite_5470 Год назад
Disney got to him soon Critical Drinker channel will be run by a black genderfluid attack helicopter furry
@keywitness4955
@keywitness4955 Год назад
I luv when 2 dudes get off on each other in the Apocalypse
@fionnaitsradag5152
@fionnaitsradag5152 Год назад
Frank hated Bill in the game and left him a very spiteful letter. In this, they tried to make a sicky sweet "perfect' relationship to push an agenda. Their toxic relationship in the game was way more interesting.
@hisdudeness8328
@hisdudeness8328 Год назад
Exactly. And to me, hearing Bill struggling to suppress his clearly broken heart at the sight of Frank’s corpse was ten times more emotional than this whole thing.
@mister-pinkman
@mister-pinkman Год назад
There is no agenda being pushed. This point of this episode was to show that even someone who has completely lost faith in humanity (Bill and Joel) can still redeem themselves by finding a purpose and protecting the ones they care about (Frank and Ellie). Joel failed twice with Sarah and Tess, and now he has a third chance to protect Ellie. He can’t and won’t let screw it up again. The note that Ellie read at the end of the episode drives this theme home.
@hisdudeness8328
@hisdudeness8328 Год назад
@@mister-pinkman except, you know, the director openly gloating that he deliberately misled the audience to shove a gay love story into this series.
@minbari73
@minbari73 Год назад
@@mister-pinkman You sound like a gay.
@mister-pinkman
@mister-pinkman Год назад
@@hisdudeness8328 Bill was clearly gay in the game. Like Mauler said in the video, the theme of Joel becoming just like Bill if he can’t find a purpose is the exact same, just told in reverse. Bill gets the bad ending in the game, but the good ending in the show.
@eastendthug
@eastendthug Год назад
I genuinely shocked that the drinker enjoyed this Hallmark melodrama. If Bills' storyline was like this in the game, it would have been universally mocked.
@fejkpirat5118
@fejkpirat5118 Год назад
He coped just as hard for the latest Batman. 😂
@dr.indianajones9558
@dr.indianajones9558 Год назад
He have to show how open minded he is 🤣😂 grifter at finest Worst melodrama propaganda by far Two bearded man kissing and drinker don't care he care about the story haha such a 🤡🤡🤡
@chrispekel5709
@chrispekel5709 Год назад
It's ok, sometimes people can have a different opinion
@halphpint7400
@halphpint7400 Год назад
lol OMG he actually had an opinion as opposed to ringing the "WOKE" bell over and over like every other grifter/schill he normally shares the screen with.....dont worry sure Nerdrotic has his fake outrage turned to 11 for the neck beards....
@Miykael
@Miykael Год назад
I usually agree with the drinker says about 90% of the time, but not on this show . I find it mid 5.5./10 so far , plus all roads lead to big poppa pump Abby. Plus Elle is horribly miscast and insufferable , so they totally ruined her. Pedro will never be Joel no matter how hard he tries. So I think I am done.
@RetroFan2.0
@RetroFan2.0 Год назад
It feels like it kinda takes away some suspension and realism by having frank and bill survive for so long without one of the other dying, plus the relationship had a fallout in the game too which led to an even more heartbreaking moment when finding frank hanging himself after being bitten and the letter being given to him afterwards, and the quest to get the truck back for Joel and Ellie by luck they had a fully functioning vehicle on hand only 2 weeks after dying.
@actinium2754
@actinium2754 Год назад
Also, the ability to reach Boston by nightfall being considered "remote" or "out of the way" just shows how Hollywood these people are. I'm sorry, if a small town is close enough to reach by nightfall at mid-day then it's not remote or out of the way from Boston. That town would be hit like a ton of bricks by scavengers and all it would take is one survivor saying "there is this place heavily defended, there has to be some good stuff there" to encourage an even larger raiding party to hit it even harder. It. Makes. No. Sense.
@unclepain10
@unclepain10 Год назад
Eric July was the only reasonable one in this.
@cubablue602
@cubablue602 Год назад
They 'agendified' a gay relationship. Not brave enough to portray as originally written. What they did with it was well acted it has to be said but overall it did not work for me. I felt I should have been more emotionally involved and after hearing the hype I was kind of disappointed that I wasn't. Frank and Bills relationship felt too contrived, too rushed and there were other incongruities like Raiders leaving them alone for 10 YEARS after the first attack. Ehh? Enjoying the series overall but agree that Bella Ramsey (or rather how she's being directed) is a weak point.
@canderoussnurd4265
@canderoussnurd4265 Год назад
Man I am shocked you guys liked episode 3. I gotta side with Az on this the entire episode was a complete betrayal of the characters of Bill and Frank and it portrayed the relationship so idealized that it bordered on fantasy. As if living in isolation wouldn’t breed contempt or arguments. Hell the fact that Bill is blue collar and Frank is clearly a white collar guy in the episode should’ve bred tons of clashes just on how they deal with things alone. Yes in isolation it’s a moderately entertaining story about love in a horrific time. Yes the acting from the two leads is stellar and yes the cinematography was beautiful. But was this Bill and Frank from the Last of us? No. Does this show us how horrific the apocalypse is through how a relationship fell apart and got someone killed? No. Does it show the regrets of not holding onto someone you loved and trying to do more than just exist behind a wall? No. Does this in any way shape or form effect Joel by showing him what being so cold and pragmatic will eventually lead to? No. Does this add anything to the goddamn story? No. And there’s the problem. The entire episode was a waste of time and did nothing but show an event that had nothing to do with the main characters or even effect them. This isn’t a series of vignettes. It’s a cohesive narrative with a central character going on a journey both to a location and on a metaphorical journey of rediscovering his humanity. I mean like what you like. Im certainly not one of those people that thinks you need to constantly agree with me or validate my opinions. Still a huge fan. Just shocked that this one worked for ya. Either way still interested in your takes on the coming episodes and hoping that we’re all wrong about where we all think this is gonna go before the T-off comes in season 2. That’s all I got for today. Going away now.
@Wolfman7870
@Wolfman7870 Год назад
These guys must be trying to tone down thier alt-right image or something. Anyone capable of pragmatic, logical thinking sees this episode exactly for what it is and it's honest about how jarring, senseless and narratively off putting this episode is. They brought the show to a screeching halt to ram a gay love story down our throats.
@ZChronicNebula
@ZChronicNebula Год назад
True
@GusAdolphus-jf7ee
@GusAdolphus-jf7ee Год назад
how is it a betrayal of Bill and Frank's character? This is the TV show. The video game is separate from this. The two do not have to be consistent with each other.
@bryanbarr4151
@bryanbarr4151 Год назад
Cancerous is absolutely on point. Here are my thoughts. I get that some people are watching that have never played the game, but most of the people that are watching are faithful fans of the game. In the past, other game to film adaptations have been done and usually game fans have something to say when major film changes take place that change the complexity of the storyline of the game. Most people dont mind minor changes (like in episode one when the Fireflies killed Robert, instead of Joel and Tess). At least in the show Joel and Tess were in pursuit of Robert (like in the game). However, in episode 3, the film version changed Bill's character entirely into a sappy bowl of jello. He is a hateful hardass that only slightly showed any hint of empathy in the game. My point is, with these changes, the writers of the show ruined this part of the game storyline and betrayed much of its fanbase, since a good portion of the audience is faithful to the story of the game. I just hop we dont see continued major changes like this in future episodes
@DodgyTodger
@DodgyTodger Год назад
@@Wolfman7870 and it's non consensual That's the problem. I didn't sign up for this crap This is a waste of time, gay romance novella... To the name callers who might read this, brokeback mountain was a brilliant, unforgettable film, so stick your name calling up the poop hoop
@markhill3858
@markhill3858 Год назад
Love or Hate ep 3 .. this is one of the best and most difficult bits of acting Nick Offerman has ever done .. I expect he will get some big roles after this
@mymanjoker
@mymanjoker Год назад
He absolutely killed it and is more than just "Ron Swanson"
@mysticDchimp
@mysticDchimp Год назад
Ok i wouldn't know how he acted because i'm not gay and i skipped the entire episode.
@Lawful_Rebel
@Lawful_Rebel Год назад
Lots of homo scenes for sure.
@BA-gh4ex
@BA-gh4ex Год назад
Yeah, no. This was clearly an agenda by the illuminati to press dysfunctional relationships among humanity, and I skipped through all of the furry kissing scenes and unfortunately, now it’s part of the shit pile.
@jonathandevereaux298
@jonathandevereaux298 Год назад
A Hollywood actor is good at playing a degenerate?! 😱
@mardigrasw
@mardigrasw Год назад
It was boring AF didn't move the plot 😒
@nothajzl
@nothajzl Год назад
but gay drama….
@rikwilkinson9060
@rikwilkinson9060 Год назад
Waiting for drinker to just be drinker and say what’s really on his mind.
@robbierobinson4110
@robbierobinson4110 Год назад
Big let down he didn't just lay into this ep and call it out. Coulda made a joke about there being grooming in this than just Bill's beard but no he bent the knee. Sad.
@markbrowning4334
@markbrowning4334 Год назад
@@robbierobinson4110 It is sad. They way he was coming after these productions previously, I didn't think he'd ever let down. He just caved in hard for an episode that was begging to be destroyed by him. If there was ever a content that was forced inclusion or virtue signalling, episode 3 was it. This was nothing but a token gay episode.
@lucascoval828
@lucascoval828 Год назад
@@robbierobinson4110 He's not as bright or critical as people think he is.
@TangoNevada
@TangoNevada Год назад
So he's just as bad as everyone else he criticizes for following the crowd he is with. Good to know. That makes him kind of woke.
@markbrowning4334
@markbrowning4334 Год назад
@@TangoNevada No, the difference is he's calling out a poison to our society. Don't confuse wokeness with any other culture of the world. Wokeness isn't an option as a culture to live by. Its a parasite or like I referenced earlier, a poison. It isn't just some innocent thing that diversifies us. Its destructive and tears down anything and everything that we, as a humanity, have built. Yet once we've taken it all down in the name of wokeness, there's nothing remaining or nothing to build back upon. This woke garbage starts quietly enough in our entertainment, but it becomes an infestation and we can see how it has moved into our classrooms at all levels. Its moved into businesses and even our government. People like Drinker are doing us a favor in calling out wokeness and liberal political agendas. These things are not tools of diversity as they are advertised. They are tools of fascist control, and they need to be called our and removed.
@TheLordNugget
@TheLordNugget Год назад
I'm intellectually willing to admit that it was a well enough written episode. They at least know how to write a decent script. The problem for me is the game was simply better. They used Bill to foreshadow Joel's eventual lowering of his walls. Even the hard edged survivors feel something and all that. Bill was a cool character that you knew would survive. Hell, they almost entirely removed the debate between being absolute loners vs having friends and living in a community. They boiled it down till it meant literally nothing more than a gay romance. That's why people are upset with the episode. It was shit in comparison to the game's portrayal.
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
They used Bill the exact same way in the show. Only here they went the opposite direction for how his story ended. But even that isn't a big departure, as the only change was that Bill bent a little, when it came to what his partner wanted in life. The paths diverged from that one single decision.
@jarrarwinks8470
@jarrarwinks8470 Год назад
It was a well written relationship at least, better than most in general in movies.
@lawrencetalbot8346
@lawrencetalbot8346 Год назад
Well that and you’re telling me these two dudes managed to survive for 20+ years according to the show in the middle of this zombie apocalypse without encountering any zombies? Wtf. Completely pulled me out of the setting, and if this is zombie free zone why would anyone ever leave?
@BunkerAnon
@BunkerAnon Год назад
@@jarrarwinks8470 Was it? They had one argument in Twenty odd years and Bill coincided to letting Frank "play House". I mean Frank is barely an extention of Bill let alone a actual character. It was cheap string pulling.
@skyhunter2816
@skyhunter2816 Год назад
Bad take.
@ticoworld7195
@ticoworld7195 Год назад
YoungRippa said enough plenty by is vote of silence 🤣
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 Год назад
Why did they pick that odd looking girl to play Ellie??
@RebelsParadox
@RebelsParadox Год назад
So they can make Abby seem hotter in comparison haha
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
Because people loved her in GoT, another big HBO show. Sadly she doesn't seem to have too much range.
@IGotNewsForYou987
@IGotNewsForYou987 Год назад
Same reason they picked a Spanish guy to play Joel
@shearer1682
@shearer1682 Год назад
I can't believe the drinker likes this. I agree this was a a good stand alone episode but one hour fifteen minutes of two characters that only have a purpose to give Joel a working vehicle is ridiculous when it's real purpose is to a have a partial sex scene between two men on screen
@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it
@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it Год назад
Ppl seem to refuse to see how many plot holes and inconsistencies this show already has.....
@GiltleyRage
@GiltleyRage Год назад
Can you give examples? I think it's pretty solid writing.
@Utsi74
@Utsi74 Год назад
In bed: "I'm gonna start with the simple things...". Thank you for sparing us from the advanced things in the dungeon😆
@masamune2984
@masamune2984 Год назад
Absolutely adored the episode, and don’t give a fuck who didn’t. I HATE modern Hollywood and Twitter agendas/tropes, but there is a point where good movies/episodes really separate the wheat from the chaff aka the actual humans vs the pure haters.
@chrisd653
@chrisd653 Год назад
So you enjoy sausage action huh? Good for you 👏
@Dustyphoto915
@Dustyphoto915 Год назад
It was a great episode of stand alone television. As the third episode of TLoU, it was total horse crap. They left out way too much of TLoU to create Nirvana. TLoU is conflict from start to finish. They could have at least had some conflict between Bill and Frank. Franks a corpse. Not the central theme of your third episode.
@dansuduhast1051
@dansuduhast1051 Год назад
@@chrisd653 good mask off moment, where just the existence of gay people is "woke" to you
@casualhamburger9607
@casualhamburger9607 Год назад
@@chrisd653 So you enjoy saying stupid shit huh? good for you.
@natediaz1863
@natediaz1863 Год назад
I too like softcore gay pron
@augustopoliche8908
@augustopoliche8908 Год назад
Funniest thing is they portrait frank as a nurturing housewife. Bill actually says to Joe that he has to "protect" what he loves. So yeah if it's a gay man you can make him a damsel in distress.
@augustopoliche8908
@augustopoliche8908 Год назад
@L'Ephebe well yeah it's exactly what I'm saying. Like since he's a gay guy we wouldn't notice.
@lalalarose8197
@lalalarose8197 Год назад
Didnt really mind the episode. My main issue with the show thus far is Ellie. Tv Ellie is a bully and a total weirdo. There’s nothing endearing about her.
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 Год назад
Unendearing and unlikable teen characters are TIGHT!
@Kernwadi
@Kernwadi Год назад
"But, how did it make you... feel?" -Bilbo Baggins
@Kernwadi
@Kernwadi Год назад
@Hostmann Socrates Understandable.
@mrdelaney4440
@mrdelaney4440 Год назад
I felt nothing.
@Kernwadi
@Kernwadi Год назад
@@glibfacsimile You're still alive (⁠・⁠o⁠・⁠)
@Sjcstro84
@Sjcstro84 Год назад
Staying true to the lore is applied very selectively. When it comes to color or sexuality we have to not only stay true but really elaborate on the lore. When it comes to anything else well.. "it's a fictional story and why are you taking it so seriously"
@Sjcstro84
@Sjcstro84 Год назад
@@sugartoothYT this exactly. The changes can only go one way, either colored or female. But not the other way
@Shipwreck15151
@Shipwreck15151 Год назад
So many idiots were gushing over how Sarah in the show was wearing the same shirt that Sarah did in the game, or how the certain sets looked like it did in the game. But the second you mention that Sarah wasn’t a mixed race girl, or that the whole Bill/Frank relationship was unnecessary and wavered too much from the story, you get labeled a bigot, homophobe and “this doesn’t have to mirror the game exactly”. It’s so annoying.
@Shawn6751
@Shawn6751 Год назад
@@Shipwreck15151 It was softcore porn for the whole episode. It was good from a storyline point of view but it leaves a plot hole. How in the heck the prepper knew Ellie? The piano and the bedroom scene was uncalled for.
@actinium2754
@actinium2754 Год назад
@@Shawn6751 Agreed. I could infer that if two gay men stay together for years that they would have sex. It wasn't necessary to show him giving the other guy a Hoover.
@JadeRunner
@JadeRunner Год назад
No talk about how in the game Bill's character was totally different, his relationship with Frank was a disaster, and Frank died telling Bill that he hated him. They completely changed all that, making their relationship perfect, so as not to offend the Alphabet mafia.
@duderino6171
@duderino6171 Год назад
Important
@taboowriter9229
@taboowriter9229 Год назад
Have you so much hate in your heart you cant appreciate a beautiful short story about two people who love each other in difficult times?
@Kayne1b
@Kayne1b Год назад
Yeah, the relationship itself was fine, it was how they tried to make it so perfect that made it seem weird to me. Right up to the 'death by instantly perfectly dissolving 20 year shelf life medication that just makes to fall asleep' conclusion. I'm fairly neutral on the whole thing, but it mostly came across to me like an idealized imaginary relationship that a young person might fantasize about.
@jodi2847
@jodi2847 Год назад
@@taboowriter9229 Right out of the mafia textbook: Don't address the actual comment. Judge the person who made it, presuming their intent BEHIND said comment. Show how inclusive and tolerant you are by contrast. This is discourse now.
@5HoH5520
@5HoH5520 Год назад
@@jodi2847 well said by you and the OP. Just goes to show how pointless it is debating an idiot.
@shorseyletterkenny
@shorseyletterkenny Год назад
Don't know how people missed that Craig Mazin saw and stared in one of the two Mythic Quest episodes where the show runners devote an entire episode to a single bottle/emotional back story. He saw the hits that got and hits get close to that target
@MeYou-ut4kr
@MeYou-ut4kr Год назад
I don't really care if there are really gay characters in a show as long as it makes sense to the plot and story and not just put in there to tick a box!
@codyglass809
@codyglass809 Год назад
This whole episode was literally just to check a box.
@broodingnights1515
@broodingnights1515 Год назад
@@codyglass809 No it wasn't.
@codyglass809
@codyglass809 Год назад
@@broodingnights1515 what a great point.... What are you 5?
@aidanfoley6463
@aidanfoley6463 Год назад
@@codyglass809 Says the guy who refuses to acknowledge that gay people are humans too. You’re fine with white people being represented, why not gay people?
@magicplacebo2143
@magicplacebo2143 Год назад
@@broodingnights1515 lol yes it literally was its lazy could've had a good action packed episode but no ruined for this crap the worst thing on T. V ever an I've seen really bad films and programs
@codyglass809
@codyglass809 Год назад
Im finding this main girl to be insufferably annoying. Didn't find a gay love story filler episode to be necessary when they still haven't developed any characters to be connected to. Joel is a bump on a log and Ellie is just annoying. The rest is generic zombie stuff
@Amazin11000
@Amazin11000 Год назад
I didn't like it very much they could have excluded the gratutious intimacy and just hinted at it, honestly this back story should have been 10 minutes max, we are here for Elle and Joel not "Brave TV"
@krakenmckraken9128
@krakenmckraken9128 Год назад
Good or poorly executed single episode aside. The story told in it wasn’t relevant or a better version of the events in the game. It actually robbed some of the best interactions in the game from the show. My takeaway is that bill was a highlight of the game. He shouldn’t have died in the show and instead lived like in the game. Take bills story and expand upon it if you want because he’s an interesting asshole of a character that’s just fun to watch. Just don’t do it in Joel and Ellis story because it’s not relevant. Joel shows up after frank had already dipped and has zero knowledge of him (like us the audience) and bills relationship. Joel gets the car and leaves bill behind to deal with his own business. So why spend so much time and focus on this aspect that was never part of the tlou’s story?
@MrSolobear333
@MrSolobear333 Год назад
Wouldn't of been better if it started how it did with bill and Frank. That instead of being together for years and everything is perfect, you get a story where they are in love but after years of being secluded you see that relationship break down . And Frank dips out and Bill becomes like he is in the game and then you have that whole interaction with Joel and Ellie.
@poorrandall8982
@poorrandall8982 Год назад
are you kidding me?? a closeted gay manages to catch the one uninfected good looking gay in a hole wandering in the suburbs? this is forced AF.
@warmcoffee69
@warmcoffee69 Год назад
My biggest complaint is that the tone of the scene when they kissed was a bit off. Didn't play the games so I didn't know about the characters. Perhaps I've seen too many bleak depictions of an apocalypse. But I was expecting the guy to get his head blown off once he lowered his guard to play the piano... I mean he did end up getting his head blown but not in the way I expected lmao. Actually laughed out loud because it seemed so out of nowhere.
@Enigma75614
@Enigma75614 Год назад
Nothing with Bill and Frank in this show was in the game.
@anthonykarnes6804
@anthonykarnes6804 Год назад
The episode started out feeling like a build up to a gay porno,otherwise it was good
@Lawful_Rebel
@Lawful_Rebel Год назад
No, I expected it, all we see are gays on screen, one would think that's the norm.
@warmcoffee69
@warmcoffee69 Год назад
@@Enigma75614 Oh so it really did come out of nowhere haha. Funny thing is that I think it could have worked. But when they kissed, my suspension of disbelief was shattered. Not because 2 men can't kiss in an apocalypse. But because no 2 people would end up kissing in that situation and that quickly lmao.
@LittleMopeHead
@LittleMopeHead Год назад
It's a filler episode. Got to tick the boxes.
@PaladinCiel
@PaladinCiel Год назад
I don't care how good this show starts, the games started great too. Never giving these people a dime of my money or a seconds worth of time.
@BunkerAnon
@BunkerAnon Год назад
They'll trash Joel's character at the end. Probably have Abby's father beg for his life before Joel kills him.
@mister-pinkman
@mister-pinkman Год назад
@@BunkerAnon the doctor is the game is basically begging Joel not to take Ellie back. And then Joel takes the scalpel and drives it into the doctors throat. He’s not portrayed as a hero in the game.
@Anders4Anders
@Anders4Anders Год назад
@@mister-pinkman He risked his own life to save his baby girl from getting cut up for a possible cure and killed a small army while doing so. Sounds pretty heroic.
@mister-pinkman
@mister-pinkman Год назад
@@Anders4Anders it’s meant to be morally grey dude. He is NOT portrayed as a hero in the game at all, nor a villain. He slaughters dozens of people including Marlene, who if you listened to her audio logs in the hospital, says she struggled to come to the decision of sacrificing Ellie. The people in that hospital were not evil they were doing their jobs. And then Joel lies to Ellie about it all. He did it because he didn’t want to lose his daughter for the second time
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
@@mister-pinkman I maintain that Joel did the only right thing. There is no way that these quacks, who would so readily kill their only test subject, had a snowballs chance in hell of finding a cure. Thus Joel keeping Ellie alive is the only chance humanity has for eventually finding a cure. Maybe there are some actually competent scientists left in South America, Asia or Europe. Druckman to this day hasn't satisfyingly explained why you'd have to rip all of the fungus out of Ellie instead of just getting small samples through through biopsies. The latter is good scientific practice, the former is something somebody who once saw a scientist on TV would do. If Druckman wanted this to be "morally grey" and not just the clearly right choice it is, he should have written it better.
@robfulco4739
@robfulco4739 Год назад
What did this episode have to do with forwarding the plot? The characters are in the game, yes. But in a different way. Plus the game didn't focus too much on the characters. They were a catalyst for Joel to get a truck and some supplies. Other than that, the episode was about 45 minutes too long. Besides, when in a zombie apocalypse, 2 men finding "love" with each other or 2 women, are not going to save the human race.
@rageintothelight
@rageintothelight Год назад
It would have been fine if they showed a little bit of bill and Frank's relationship, but Jesus, the entire episode of them!! It was just too much
@jeffersonhassan4558
@jeffersonhassan4558 11 месяцев назад
Funnily enough, majority of you folks wouldn't be saying shit if it were a straight couple episode
@jihyotwice3159
@jihyotwice3159 Год назад
While I don't mind the episode per se, I feel that they are glancing over some of the more important aspects of the story. I know that it's not to late and I may be over thinking it. One aspect is the scarcity of items. The original story placed a huge emphasis on battle and the growth of Ellie in her survival skills. The battle in town to get the battery and how Ellie supported Joel is one step that Joel trusts Ellie with a gun and begins to lean on her to not do it all alone. Now, they (Ellie and Joel) suddenly gets a car and supplies. They didn't even cook and get something to eat but they have time to take showers and change clothes. Even the car looks almost brand new in comparison to the surrounding houses. Frank is younger and they even said that Bill might die before Frank. During the raid, Bill was shot in the stomach while Frank was uninjured. Yet, Frank becomes invalid and dying (from an illness that they don't explain but they get pills for). Fanfiction speculate from the strawberry. They do all this backstory but leave out an important fact. It's this pacing that they introduce new backstory (origin of virus and Bill & Frank) but never fully explain, that I thought they would end season 1 at the point that Joel gets injured and Ellie gets captured. Or even the aftermath of that since there is a time skip where Joel needs to heal and Ellie learns to hunt. However, they hinted season 2 would be TLOU part 2. Maybe?????
@DogmaBeoulve
@DogmaBeoulve Год назад
I remember that Bill being gay was hinted at in the game, but nothing more - even that was just a passing suggestion because of the gay magazines, that's what I remember, at least. And for all we knew, maybe he just collected shit to collect it or to use as potential trades, though I admit that's unlikely because he was anti-visitors ;D I haven't been watching the show because I do my best to not tolerate, nevermind indulge, racist hiring practices and policies in media. In any case, because I haven't seen it, it's hard to know for sure all of what is going on but it seems *weird* to me that they, apparently, took this one (great) side character and fleshed out his entire story during the apocalypse but then skips his involvement in the actual story of the game by having him dead already? Before Joel and Ellie get there. What the hell kind of sense does that make? What does he do, leave notes or letters or journals for them to read or do they just not interact at all? Anyway, it's all a moot point to me because these adaptations have to deal with the same shit the Game of Thrones on HBO has to deal with in that if you know how the whole thing ends is shit - at least two seasons of shit - why on earth would you ever go and engage with the series again? Unless you stop at season 5 or 6 - but then, you're just lying to yourself because unless they completely sidestep essentially everything about Part 2, that's the end game. And, really, why would anyone even begin to hope that they skip the terrible story and narrative of Part 2 when it went *precisely* in the direction that weirdo leftists want things to go? That shit is the bread and butter of modern entertainment, so don't kid yourself. Don't hold your breath.
@Davidian11235
@Davidian11235 Год назад
It's been a very good show so far...this episode was very good(I'm comfortable enough in my sexuality to acknowledge a well done story regardless of their sexuality, it's not an episode of will and grace). My problems were the propaganda lines, like when the girl says the bit about a government was to stupid to properly prepare for pandemics....like the WHO and Mr Gates that want a pandemic preparedness treaty that delegates vast authority to a supranational entity that can override national sovereignty and rights. Stuff like that can kick rocks. My concern with this show is that it will be wildly successful and like Walking Dead turn into murder pron. The infected are fast, tough, and dangerous. It's tense and it needs to keep that.
@thecensoredmuscle563
@thecensoredmuscle563 Год назад
What was good about it? Sodomite falls into a hole, then goes into another hole. Then eats strawberries, and dies. Wow.
@markc2182
@markc2182 Год назад
Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb won't even let you post a negative review on the show. What a joke!
@genmaicha.lapsang
@genmaicha.lapsang Год назад
If I want a gay romance...I would rather read "my brother's husband." It's actually written by a gay man.
@maulcs
@maulcs Год назад
Making Ellie such an unlikeable brat is a baffling move. And Joel is just blah. How are they going to properly develop this relationship to where it has an impact? I really don't know.
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 Год назад
Making Ellie such an unlikable brat. Reminds of the girl from Jurrasic World Dominion who was so unlikeable
@bryanbarr4151
@bryanbarr4151 Год назад
Well, to be fair; Ellie's character is a bit annoying at times, as well as defiant. Also a bit of a smartass. I also agree that the casting for Joel could have been better, but Pascal is an incredible actor. To be honest, to find the perfect Ellie, or Joel (to match the game), probably would have been impossible. The producers did a fine job with casting choices
@maulcs
@maulcs Год назад
@@bryanbarr4151 Bella was not a good casting choice, imo, but it's made even worse with the writing. Ellie was not overly mean and bratty with sadistic tendencies like the person in this show. In the game she was likeable basically from the first scene, and was a great foil to Joel with her upbeat, quirky personality. We liked her, so we understand why Joel liked her, and how he regained his humanity with their relationship.
@davidnierzwick2775
@davidnierzwick2775 Год назад
The message!
@TheRocco96
@TheRocco96 Год назад
I don't care much about the gay aspect, but what bothers me is that the situation was forced and didn't feel naturally. First of all, Bill made many deadly traps around his property, but when Frank fell into the trap, he wasn't injured. Shouldn't there have been spikes at the bottom of the pit? It's too much coincidence that Frank managed to fall in a trap that wasn't deadly. And then they fall in love just by playing a song on a piano, that was way too quick. In the end, Frank was very selfish. He's been pampered for many years by Bill, but then one day Frank is like "I want this to be my last day, and you must do great effort to make it the best day of my life."
@chrispekel5709
@chrispekel5709 Год назад
He probably had warning signs around the areas with deadly traps which the infected couldn't read and so walked into. I'd imagine the logical entrance was setup like this so he could trap people. Any infected that fall in can just be shot or burnt. It's hard to tell without seeing the exact way he set it all up
@chrispekel5709
@chrispekel5709 Год назад
He wasn't a psychopath, I don't think he would have wanted to kill anyone unless they ignored all warning signs and got right up to the fence. Remember when the raiders attacked? He was already awake when frank woke up, so maybe he had a manual trigger for all the deadly traps near his front gate. Why was involved in a gunfight whilst standing in the middle of the street? That was dumb
@Krapper515
@Krapper515 Год назад
100% forced. Wasn't necessary, wasn't in the game, and doesn't have any importance to the story line. Absolutely garbage.
@sarov7658
@sarov7658 Год назад
It's so forced but i didn't care until in twitter the guys if this show said it's to bait people into watching this shit and all the bs like they are obsessed on making homo ppl hateable in rl lol
@senorpoodles1755
@senorpoodles1755 Год назад
You should care about the gay aspect.
@YouJGSousa
@YouJGSousa Год назад
Hate the Ellie casting, it seems like I’m seeing her GoT performance. Really hopes she gets better
@timbola
@timbola Год назад
Loved Chernobyl until I found out the woman nuclear physicist played by Emily Watson..a complete Mary Sue...DID NOT exist. She was a amalgamation of other people.
@DaveSkylark111
@DaveSkylark111 Год назад
WEF: “You will live in zee pods, eat zee bugs, wear zee mask, own nossink, and watch zee gay people make out, and you vill be happy.
@ivanthenuke9995
@ivanthenuke9995 Год назад
Wake me up when they do the same sort of carefully thought out and well written story about a hetro couple having a long, loving relationship in this same phucked up apocalyptical world.
@MaD0MaT
@MaD0MaT Год назад
Never going to happen.
@merlindo8267
@merlindo8267 Год назад
They made Joel and Tess...
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
Maybe if you didn't sleep through the episodes you would have noticed Joel and Tess. Their relationship was explored in all three episodes so far.
@ivanthenuke9995
@ivanthenuke9995 Год назад
Not the same. I want a side character, barely noticed in the game, to be pushed front and center and then to have a personal and caring relationship that takes up an entire episode - completely unrelated to the main story.
@merlindo8267
@merlindo8267 Год назад
@@ivanthenuke9995 well, in the tv show it was very clear that Joel and Tess sleeped together, and had a romantic relationship, at the same time, none of this happened in the game, the director could come out and say that in the game Joel and Tess are just friends (or that they just had sex a few times, nothing romantic) and most people would believe, but the same statement cant be done for the tv show.
@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093
"I've never been ratioed on YT." "My video got more comments than likes." The literal definition of ratio.
@iFORAi
@iFORAi Год назад
On Twitter that's a ratio. On RU-vid its more dislikes than likes
@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093
@@iFORAi You mean the dislike feature that is now disbled?
@iFORAi
@iFORAi Год назад
@Our Values Are Who We Are In A Democracy the dislike button is still there. The creator's can still see them anybody can install the plugin and still see dislikes. In the future sure being ratioed on YT might be comments to likes, but thats never been how its used on RU-vid.
@conspiracytheoryopinions926
I agree with Rippa!!!
@SeraphsWitness
@SeraphsWitness Год назад
I just don't want an hour-long gay romance diversion from the main plot. It didn't contribute to the main story and characters, and was clearly an insert episode to hit their gay quota. If you want to make a gay story, go ahead. But this is just shoehorned. There's no conflict. No zombies. No stakes. They're just living until they die. They can't reproduce (duh) so there aren't even interesting moral questions about the necessity of continuing on in the first place.
@crispybatman480
@crispybatman480 Год назад
Isn't Ellie a sort of sweet person in the game at first because she was extremely sheltered from the Apocalypse for the majority of her upbringing? She wasn't just some cabbage patch kid that popped up. Even a life of military school for youths is extremely sheltered compared to the people outside. Also, the outrage is not because of "the big gay", they were very much gay in the games too. The difference is their plot was better, while having an integral part in Joel and Ellie's character development. Here it is an okay standalone story, that basically just leaves loot for Joel to find(and leave most of it behind lol).
@rp-2f
@rp-2f Год назад
Yeah the ellie of the game is much more like the daughter in episode 1. But did anyone really expect them to write ellie that way for modern tv? In modern times the female protagonist MUST have a foul mouth (because that promotes strength in their minds for some reason) she MUST be prone to aggression and violence and she MUST be angry. I was devastated when the daughter died in episode 1. But if ellie died I would not care at all
@user-xx6vy9ri8p
@user-xx6vy9ri8p Год назад
@@rp-2f She was hostile and angry at the start of the game. Which makes perfect sense for this world. In ep4 of the show she became warmer and friendlier to Joel.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 Год назад
The plot was not better in the game, Bill is mostly just a side quest and you don’t even see any of his backstory. The changes make sense with the character. And plenty of people mad about it absolutely are mad about gay people just existing.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 Год назад
@@rp-2f LOL wtf? Did you play the game? Ellie in the show acts exactly the same way. The first thing she does when she sees Joel is attack him in the game.
@crispybatman480
@crispybatman480 Год назад
@@donovan4222 This isn't a super hero franchise, we don't need an origins story for literally every character. Sometimes, less is more with storytelling.
@AgentHurt
@AgentHurt Год назад
i think, for me, the thing to consider is that ashley johnson has such an underrated range of acting. when you couple that with the fact that she’s an adult actress that can channel life lessons of pain, awe, and trauma, with just an overall better acting range, you have a better video game ellie than anything we can expect from bella ramsey
@chrispekel5709
@chrispekel5709 Год назад
Bella Ramsay looks and acts like a special needs kid
@gailseatonhumbert
@gailseatonhumbert Год назад
Bella is 19 she is just short at 5'1". I think her performance of the character is great.
@weatherby1982
@weatherby1982 Год назад
that wasn't bill that was my problem.....use this story in some other show don't ruin a good character and an already good story.
@thuglifebear5256
@thuglifebear5256 Год назад
I question how anybody who is a fan of the game would pick _that hacky gay romance_ over the being caught upside down sequence, or their first fight with a bloater. How is this an improvement? It's not.
@McGJonin
@McGJonin Год назад
I thought the story they told was great! BUT I’m pretty pissed that in the game there’s some unknown story about what Joel did that Bill was so indebted to him that he had to help Joel get a car. A missed opportunity to reward players of the game with that moment. I also think the story they told would have been more sad and tragic (because let’s be honest PART 1 and 2 are stories of tragedy) if they eventually brought it in line with the game. As in *spoiler warning* Frank and Bill get in a fight, Frank runs away and gets bit, and they later find that he hung himself before he could turn. We also could have gotten to meet a new enemy type, the bloater, if they had followed the story line of the task to find a car battery. Sigh. So the story was good, but not anything like the game and personally not what I wanted to sre
@Dustyphoto915
@Dustyphoto915 Год назад
This show isn’t about actually showing the main characters story. You are supposed to imagine and suppose all those things happening while they tell their pointless love story.
@bryanwilson2104
@bryanwilson2104 Год назад
Sounds like THE MESSAGE is starting to make some people cave, never would have expected it from some of the people on this panel
@devanworkman8745
@devanworkman8745 11 месяцев назад
Who?
@naughtybethesda1954
@naughtybethesda1954 2 месяца назад
Yeah it definitely does. I am just now seeing this and I feel very disappointed.
@marcusalexander7088
@marcusalexander7088 Год назад
1) "-phobe" also means repelled by. 2)"phobic" means EXTREME fear. The kind that will likely have someone either freezing or fleeing. The suffix has been misused in this context. 3)Homodisgusted is a more accurate description of people who were repelled by this episode ( and similar stuff).
@paulraines9635
@paulraines9635 Год назад
I, personally, am amped to see Pedro get Andrew Ryaned. Hope they stay true to the source material.
@CallingAllMadMen
@CallingAllMadMen Год назад
Team Abby!
@markgreen3199
@markgreen3199 Год назад
Haha I know, I don’t care how wish fulfillment trope it is, I wanna see Pedro Pascal get his head caved in
@actinium2754
@actinium2754 Год назад
I never thought I'd say this, but I agree. Seeing Pedro beaten like a piñata is going to be hilarious.
@Agk3los
@Agk3los Год назад
I think the issue with this episode, for me, is that while it was a great episode that told a great story very well... it kind of didn't matter because in the timeline of the show they're already dead. I think if they'd combined this story they wanted to tell, have Bill NOT kill himself, and then have the story of the game where Bill, Joel, and Ellie go on this adventure together before Bill eventually meets his demise would have been powerful. There's a lot of story in this game to turn into show and taking an entire episode to tell a story that really doesn't matter or advance anything seems wasteful.
@blackdynamite_5470
@blackdynamite_5470 Год назад
This entire episode was filler gay propaganda
@thecensoredmuscle563
@thecensoredmuscle563 Год назад
Great episode? It was just some sodomite episode that did nothing for the story.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 Год назад
Have you played last of us? Half the game is spent picking up notes and learning stories of people in the apocalypse who are already dead. That doesn’t make the stories pointless.
@NYWunWuns
@NYWunWuns Год назад
I wish Frank and Bill at least knew each other or knew of each other prior to the outbreak. Would have made it more believable for Bill letting him in.
@TheGavrael
@TheGavrael Год назад
The Chernobyl comment from Robert is interesting. It was a thrilling/entertaining series that was absolutely horrendous from a scientific standpoint, to the point of it feeling strangely propagandic. Like they had to intentionally ignore scientific advisors to craft the story.
@masonnealgrove7595
@masonnealgrove7595 Год назад
I normally hate shows that try and push “THE MESSAGE” but I got heavily invested in their story it was well acted and not pushy and I enjoyed it. Just hope they don’t have to rush any other episodes because of the time taken in this one.
@NoPantsBaby
@NoPantsBaby Год назад
Did they extrapolate on what was in the game or did they "Trick TLOU fans into watching a gay romance" as per Neil Cuckman? Cause if they were to extrapolate from the game I would have at least expected some of the interactions with Ellie to make it into the episode... but it didn't. It was all about how Bill and Frank were totally gay for each other, literally speaking here, and how they loved each other. Something they also didn't extrapolate from the game.... that being stuck with each other in the post apocalypse takes a toll on any relationship.
@TrigonAZR
@TrigonAZR Год назад
If this show came out few years ago, before so many properties got tarnished, before batwoman, captain marvel, mcu phase 4, latest doctor who and star trek I think it might have gone through rather well. Thing is, many of us are very allergic to "the message" being pushed down on us, that often even a hint of it results in an anaphylactic shock and viewers tuning out
@TonySpark-er2hj
@TonySpark-er2hj Год назад
True everyone's sick of the message now and this was just.self indulgent tripe you could probably get away with for half an episode in season 6 episode 7 not 3 episodes in!!!!! Pure unwanted unecesary drivel!!!
@TrigonAZR
@TrigonAZR Год назад
@@TonySpark-er2hj agreed. The dissonance in tone of third episode versus previous ones was massive. It's an obvious exercise in virtue signaling and in my mind, an hour long bromance is just out of place in a postapocalypse zombie setting. It's as if someone would include a random scene of dismemberment and mutilation in a romcom. Utterly pointless
@TonySpark-er2hj
@TonySpark-er2hj Год назад
@@TrigonAZR Exactly you hit the nail right on the head someone's vanity up in millions of dollars of smoke for a few virtue signalling credits. I'm sick of it I've started watching none woke stuff from abroad Korea, Japan, Russia (they wont stand it) etc or backlog stuff before all this woke cobblers started. Think the tides turning now though thank god:)
@TrigonAZR
@TrigonAZR Год назад
@@TonySpark-er2hj that's great man- a lot of good shows and movies are produced around the world- if only everything had subtitles 😄 I don't watch much stuff nowdays, but if anything I prefer to go to older movies and shows for entertainment. Nothing beats things The Fugitive or Band of brothers just to name first few things that sprung to mind. As for turning of the tide, I reluctantly agree. Reluctantly, because there's a lot of ideologues in Holywood and they won't go away anytime soon. More importantly, a lot of talent has left while simultaneously it will take years to see the effects of change on our screens. I mean, I'm hopeful. I'd love to see Dredd 2 and similar things that probably wouldn't get made nowdays
@TonySpark-er2hj
@TonySpark-er2hj Год назад
@@TrigonAZR Wow yes agreed brother. Dredd 2 would amazing. To be honest that's another thing they can't screw up is the old Dredd comics so may take to reading those again or at least finish them off.Just finishing "the boys graphic novels and they are " bang on"!!!!!! Also downloaded the hg Wells books and re reading the original Bram Stoker's dracula on kindle. Anything a better than the agendered main stream tv twoddle!!! Heres one for you just researched Kelly's heroes forgot how good it was:) Top film Fingers crossed for dredd 2:) Stay strong and remember "nil carbarundum illigitimi ":) cheers!
@CRDBRDT045TERR
@CRDBRDT045TERR Год назад
Where can I find the original stream? Sorry if I'm being dumb, but when I search for it, all I get is 'After Hours'
@nothajzl
@nothajzl Год назад
That great feeling when you decide not to watch a show and save a lot of time and energy😊😊. Yes, i am boasting.
@MGSVxBreakpoint
@MGSVxBreakpoint Год назад
Right with you. I will always have the game.
@S4ns
@S4ns Год назад
Same here, watching people review it is more interesting than watching the show.
@detectivejimmymcnulty1676
@detectivejimmymcnulty1676 Год назад
Your loss, the show has been great so far
@BunkerAnon
@BunkerAnon Год назад
@@detectivejimmymcnulty1676 only because the copy and paste the good parts from the game. Just play the game.
@detectivejimmymcnulty1676
@detectivejimmymcnulty1676 Год назад
@@BunkerAnon I’ve played the game like 8 times. The show still brings a fresh perspective and now non gamers get to enjoy its amazing story :) like I said your loss!
@_AutoCoder
@_AutoCoder Год назад
I hear Brokeback Mountain was also shot, written, and executed well. Issue is they've only got 9 episodes and chose to burn an entire one on a gay romance that was only alluded to in the game. I'll shut up if they burn an entire episode on Joel and his brother's bond or Tess or the daughter. We all know why they chose this to focus on.
@cdle007
@cdle007 Год назад
That gay relationship was not alluded to at all.
@Sully0020
@Sully0020 Год назад
You should watch Brokeback Mountain if you haven't seen it. Fantastic movie.
@casualhamburger9607
@casualhamburger9607 Год назад
@@cdle007 um... yeah, it was.
@SpiralScratches
@SpiralScratches Год назад
uh huh, when i give my dad a copy of the whole thing episode 3 will somehow strangely be missing
@kurtgunter6960
@kurtgunter6960 Год назад
What stream do these come from?? I want the full thing
@AtHomeWithCourtney
@AtHomeWithCourtney Год назад
*Eric July spacing out* "Oh shit, better nod like I still know what's going on.."
@JamesDatWork
@JamesDatWork Год назад
Hollywood thinks no 2 men can be close friends without becoming gay for each other.
@JamesDatWork
@JamesDatWork Год назад
@The Rue Morgue fine 'media'... Less than 20% of the country is ultra-leftist but they control all media (including games). We saw what they did with the second game too.
@atomsofstardust
@atomsofstardust Год назад
Exactly what I thought about.
@atomsofstardust
@atomsofstardust Год назад
@The Rue Morgue Yeah, and Joel’s daughter is white and Ellie is pretty. They’ve changed some things from the game. But of course they’d never change this gay aspect.
@ReformedSauron
@ReformedSauron Год назад
I've never played the games but I've heard about them. If they are gay in the game though, or it all but says it outright, it's not an overstep. Now perhaps that rule would apply elsewhere, but if this is the case in the game it does not apply here.
@TheChildofAuraReborn
@TheChildofAuraReborn Год назад
I knew the moment they changed Tess’s death (which was incredibly insulting to the character. Tess’s original death was defiant, even though she was infected she still took control of her fate and went down fighting, killing two trained military personnel when she was outmatched six to one) that something was wrong with the direction they were taking some creative liberties in. I’m actually really concerned over how they’re gonna treat Henry and Sam once we get to them, aside from Tess those two are my favorite characters that Joel and Ellie meet.
@bryanbarr4151
@bryanbarr4151 Год назад
Agreed. I would have rather seen Tess go out that way. The change was a bit annoying, but it was nothing compared to the debacle of episode 3
@mr.raslyon6626
@mr.raslyon6626 Год назад
Yeah, I've been having it out with HBO Stans since last week over that shit.
@TheChildofAuraReborn
@TheChildofAuraReborn Год назад
@@mr.raslyon6626 Currently having it out with an HBO stan right now on a comment I made trying to carefully explain WHY game fans are mad about Bill’s story change. I swear, some of these people are dense and just want to argue.
@TheChildofAuraReborn
@TheChildofAuraReborn Год назад
@@bryanbarr4151 Episode there was just a bunch of meaningless fluffy drivel that managed to destroy a super important arc for Ellie, where Joel learns to trust her more after seeing her hold her own.
@justanothernobody7142
@justanothernobody7142 Год назад
This episode was awful. It felt like a filler episode from a late season of TWD. It was well acted but completely out of place as a third episode and making them both die at the end made the whole story pointless to the overall storyline. It wouldn't have been so bad if Bill had lived and would make further appearances in the show because then it would have been just a backstory, even though it was far too long overall. The only reason people are calling this a masterpeice is because it featured a gay couple, if this was a love story between a man and a women this would be getting slated as the pointless filler it was.
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
It was far from pointless. The letter impressed some important things upon Joel and by seeing Bill's life we got a glimpse into Joel's, as those two were very similar characters. The episode even spelled that out for you at the end.
@justanothernobody7142
@justanothernobody7142 Год назад
@@4203105 Yes but I mean pointless in that it didn't need to take up an entire episode. That whole story could have been condensed down into a 20 minute story. Plus the game story was far more interesting so there was really no reason to change it.
@ArtemisTGM
@ArtemisTGM Год назад
Let's just take the time appricate the the FANS tricked the Directors into giving two straight white male actors over an hour of screen time in a 2023 TV show 🙌🏻💯ima glass half full kinda guy 😌🍿
@ArtemisTGM
@ArtemisTGM Год назад
@LEphebe im talking about offerman and Pedro brother but iether way the episode was well crafted 👍🏻
@SvendleBerries
@SvendleBerries Год назад
Eh, being given a juicy steak on my way to the slaughter house wouldnt make me feel any better.
@Kevin187z1
@Kevin187z1 Год назад
@@ArtemisTGM Pedro isn't white, friend.
@ArtemisTGM
@ArtemisTGM Год назад
@@Kevin187z1 🤣🤣🤣
@4203105
@4203105 Год назад
@L'Ephebe we really don't know if Offermann is straight. I don't think he ever said one way or the other.
@robbieracer3294
@robbieracer3294 Год назад
I'm surprised not a lot of people are talking about how they are downplaying a lot of the gun use...Joel stashing his M4 because of hard to find ammo? Uhh, wouldn't really be a problem as that's the most common used bullet. And finding that gun cache and they still didn't take a lot of stuff before moving on. Walking around in an apocalypse all he likes to carry is a pistol ..the hell outta here. It's almost as if they don't want guns being seen as much...so weird
@fionnaitsradag5152
@fionnaitsradag5152 Год назад
They got rid of Joel and Tess being gun smugglers too. And the part where Joel shoots a zombie in his kitchen at the start of the game.
@markgreen3199
@markgreen3199 Год назад
Him leaving all those guns behind was actually ridiculous
@leemollison7508
@leemollison7508 Год назад
100%, you are on to it. Episode 1: Joel and Tess were pissed off with Robert about a car battery, No mention of the shipment of guns which were the whole reason why Tess killed Robert in the game, and the whole reason they bumped into Marlene.....This is globalist agenda being pushed into the show, shaping the thoughts of the unaware.
@ambientoccluser
@ambientoccluser Год назад
My problem with third episode was that it was mayor distraction from main storyline, almost a filler. I was almost scared they'll start soap opera style of parallel storylines. But yeah, it built itself pretty fine into a main structure towards the end.
@cheddulous
@cheddulous Год назад
So they can change the entire tone of the dynamic of a couple of side characters as long as it makes you feel good? Right.
@robrick9361
@robrick9361 Год назад
All will be sacrificed in service of "The Message".
@unclepain10
@unclepain10 Год назад
You got to ask yourself why seeing two men in their 50s getting it on with eachother constantly in the episode is making these men feel good?
@DMGregAdventure
@DMGregAdventure Год назад
Drinker: woke Hollywood is destroying film and movies! Also Drinker: andor, house of the dragon and the last of us are the best!
@TrueCarthaginian
@TrueCarthaginian Год назад
Funny how he ignores blatant pushing of "THE MESSAGE" in these pieces of media.
@Finns0n
@Finns0n Год назад
Yes, because it has is focus on the story and the character and not "THE MESSAGE". If you are not seeing this, then you are blind and blended by your own agenda.
@casualhamburger9607
@casualhamburger9607 Год назад
Lmao I love this, his own fans are turning against him! Serves him right, trying to appeal to a specific audience never goes well.
@Refridgerraptor
@Refridgerraptor Год назад
Just curious, what message was there on Andor? I really hate any pushing of propaganda in media, but i watched the whole show without once feeling sick to my stomach. It was a pleasant experience. The only thing i can think of was the lesbian couple? But they were bitter and not portrayed as rainbows and sunshine without faults.
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