Driving Without Electronic Stability Control - Fifth Gear 

It is possible, but takes a lot of accelerating in lower gears.

xD

Ha! I've had our 2007 YRS upto 170kms/h (105MPH) coming back from Bundaberg.

No it doesn't, it takes about half an hour in 5th speed foot to the floor :p

The 1.3 litre model will do just fine. The 1 litre model could probably get to 70mph, but you'd be deaf by then.

Indeed! I bet that even if that car had ESC it would still flip over at that speed. The average esc in an average car isn't that good haha

Frajmando sure

Hilux

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7-2UAfsbyZo.html the episode aired with this clip preceding the one shown here.

Very similarly. It cannot overcome the laws of physics.

+Nicholas Scarff exactly what I was thinking

+Jaebodiah ESC while it cant overcome the laws of physics, it creates a bigger buffer and add more safety. for example, a car that would roll at 70 without ESC, will only roll at 90 with ESC. in fact it should be pretty impossible to roll many "normal" cars with low center of mass on the street. different story if you take wheight out of an already quite high build toyota yaris or attempt the same thing in an SUV or Lorry....

+Jaebodiah Yeah, And he was really trying to flip it, Steering full left there and leaving it like that...

+Jaebodiah It still would have been fine though. Same as if the stunt driver had steered into the skid like he knows he should do instead of intentionally leading it off into the grass for dramatic effect.

+Troy Andrews exactly

+Peter Rounce Small hatchbacks are actually the easiest cars to roll.

Nah 80 is like California high way speeds... ive seen tons of cars swerve out of lane because without it the car flips easily.. 80mph is what almost everyone goes here and many other states 70 too who drives 60 a vegan grandma?

You need to try a HiLux ;)

Puy Lentil The Hilux is indestructible, it was drowned, set on fire, bashed with a wrecking ball, had a caravan dropped on it and buried in the rubble of a downed building and it still ran, a 70mph swerve wouldn't bother it in the slightest😉😆

Puy Lentil I forgot they crashed it into a tree as well. ...

and drive it on this super sticky road probably with brand new tires which wont let it slip sideways... and then deduce that it trolls over.

Hahahaha

Ha ha ha ha rea that 👍😆😆i didn't think of that 👍the only thing i said was t the end he could had counter steer to not flip, he turned left, he knows to turn right, he fliped it for the show, 👍

Science!!!!

I don't know if you've figured this out by now, but a lower center of gravity is beneficial and helps prevent roll overs. The cage Was not an actual "cage" but rather structural bars giving the roof support from the car's main frame. The weight that the bars add to the top of the car is less than the weight of a human head and does not drastically change the results. I can't say much about the tires, as they were most likely new like you stated, although it could be expected for many cars on the roads to still have thick tire treads and thus is still slightly applicable. All in all, any vehicle without stability control can be expected to roll at speeds exceeding even 50mph during a sharp swerve. Can't really credit Top Gear on their scientific accuracy, but it is generally true that Vehicle Stability Control drastically reduced the chances of uncontrolled swerving or roll overs resulting from a swerve, despite their possibly skewed results.

i use alt+F4

I use Ctrl+Shift+Esc

CTRL+ALT+DELETE just gives a sign out option

Gabe adorno when i was a younger man, those 3 buttons hit twice would force a reboot.

zzz

+Kunta Kinte Like putting a white coat on means you can magically interfere with the software in a way it wasn't designed to support. This isn't ... oh, it is a TV show. Well it isn't Macgyver or Mission Impossible and there's nothing magic about a technician. If the braking system was designed to always retain some 'smart' assistance then there's nothing you can do about it without bypassing the ABS pump. Which is a lot easier to prove too.

cageordie ?

This would be great.

+Kunta Kinte the same episode that has this segment has such test: /watch?v=C4-Lbt8KHkw

KuntaKinte

+weterman4320 Totaly agree. A car with ESC will do the same i think. Pretty strong the yaris anyway, for the size i mean. After two roll overs still openning doors and driving

+retroluminico It had a roll cage....

Da Ca No, it was to test if it's safe to not use stability control. Of course if you try to tip a car, it will tip. They are saying it's not safe, but it is, if you dont try to tip the car.

Da Ca Yea, he was. If you don't try to tip it, you probably wont tip.

weterman4320 and if you have ESP you definitely wont

+Europe Channel do you know what a barrel roll is?

+Europe Channel do you know what a barrel roll is?

+Europe Channel do you know what a barrel roll is?

Todds Boot-E Are you going to be a smartass and try and tell me?

+Europe Channel ...

this test simply SUCKS AND ISNT CORRECT. period(i guess). car lightened up in weight being more likely to roll over. and that correction though.

In a completely emergency situation, turning your wheel all the way to correct an oversteer is something that a normal driver and/or inexperienced driver will do.

***** but still, car is lightened up and center of gravity is rised by what they have done, not sure how cars even with ESC will handle this

In games FFB seems to make correcting very easy, though the fact that it turns like 270 degrees total might have a role in this.

Yeah, that looked more like an overdone scandinavian flick - but I guess most people don't drive thinking everyone else is trying to kill them, so it might be a fairly realistic example of panic induced overcorrection. ESC might have kept it straight & ploughed it into a line of traffic, what happens if doing what he did *was* the safest option?

radry100 iiiii

True

From last test nothing accurate can't be concluded because, car handling was not in good shape after crash. Suspension and and other parts took too much damage.

So what

the stig's rolling cousin *they see me rollin*

A lot of people like me will already know but i think its real stupid they didn't tell us anyways, or show the same thing with a car with Esc enabled.

JorRob001 well I am not from Europe so I have no idea what it even does. I'd like to see it at work.

Kris S As with all such programs on commercial TV, it wasn't about science. It was about swaying the opinion of the viewers who don't know enough science to know better which is actually more than 60% of any given population thusly 60% of the voting and spending population. There's been a lot of western government pushes recently towards getting rid of older cars in favour of more economic and electronic versions which force you to take it to the dealer for repairs. Trust me, it's all money driven politics with agreements between companies to keep each other in on the profit and lock out everyone else. Top Gear/5th Gear.... All receive payments from the motor companies themselves. Anyways, what better way then to show on TV a car without ESC, more importantly a pre 2012 car, crashing hard thus visually implying that any pre-2012 car won't have ESC and thusly you'll end up dying a horrible death. Boom, 60% now thinking they'll look towards a more modern car for their next purchase. If you want the science dude, go out there and do science for yourself and see with your own eyes while taking your own measurements. Everything else, especially what you see on commercial TV, is either biased or pure propaganda.

Simon Wilson interesting. I suspected that actually; given what a pointless test this was, it concluded nothing.

Simon Wilson lol if I have learned anything from the myth busters, its that every test must be compared to something...

Yea it easily would

JorRob001 unless the ESC in that car was crud!

ESC *will* save you. i have done quite a number of laps on a wet Nurburgring in a bmw 320 equipped with ESC. i could tell that the car was being corrected by ESC in many corners. I could also see it on the dash (flashing ESC light). It's also *great* and confidence inspiring while driving on icy snowy roads. i will never ever buy a car without ESC again. Together with ABS it makes that car *quite* a lot safer. And if you want to hoon around in a controlled environment you can still switch the ESC off.

jfv65 have you had any accidents? in general?

jfv65 Safety systems like ABS act as a crutch for poor or inexperienced drivers to avoid killing themselves and others. It takes the breaking control away from the driver and can *increase* stopping distance. I couldn't believe it when the brake pedal was suddenly yanked away from me while I was breaking hard for a horse in the road while driving a 2013 ford fiesta.. _I assume the ABS system released the breaks due to the left hand wheels losing traction momentarily on the mud and locking briefly. I have never experienced anything like that driving my older, non ABS, car._ ABS works by removing your brake control then applying pressure to the point in which the wheels lock, then releasing the brakes and repeating. Whereas by applying the right amount of breaking pressure you can apply the maximum braking force without locking the wheels at all! _Thus stopping you earlier_ ESC at least doesn't attempt to kill experienced drivers. Although you do lose some feel of the road. _ABS is seriously dangerous. Although it does save more lives than it takes._

I doubt this is the full episode....

I was thinking the same thing

+donepearce Yes..mutch more funny.

+donepearce Yes..mutch more funny.

+Tony Valdez they would have probly atepmted a road trip to the strip and tried to flip it on the way anyways

+donepearce where are they now lol, Chris Harris cant even talk and drive and throws up when being driven by a woman racing driver.....

Not exactly, the ESC will stop the car getting side ways enough to allow it to flip or reduce the effectiveness of brakes. If the conditions are very wet or icy, the chances are even ESC wouldn't save your ass because the car would lose traction too quickly. Unless it's a very sophisticated ESC with extremely good tyres fitted!

Just like any driver-aid, it can only be good, when it works properly. Otherwise, it makes your car more dangerous. Failing ABS will lengthen your brakedistance e.g. I dont even want to imagine what a bad ESC can do to your car during an otherwise safe maneuver. I have pretty bad experiences with collision avoiding systems, where they hit the brake on a dead empty road, sometimes in the corner. These systems are not failproof enough to be trusted. You are better off paying for a driver training, and learning how to actually drive a car in tricky situations.

No seat belts... funny

If it's a really old car, it wont have any.

or 2 wheels or an engine and you have to pedal.

Donald Trump 2K16 cool

عايز ايه يا معلم ؟

+Jim Vicious I believe today's drivers are the most safety conscious yet.

+Super Jeepin Bullshit!

+Super Jeepin "Safety conscious" has to mean more than relying on the equipment they've been sold as the safest yet. Although vehicles are safer now in many regards, they're being dummied down too much. in the day we learned to drive on ice and snow by doing donuts an a parking lot - but you know what? we did learn something. Where the limit was, what happens when you push past it, and how to bring it back. How to get stuck and unstuck, where the corners and the ends were, and when to simply slow the fuck down because the roads were extra shitty. Cars now attempt to "convince" the driver that every day is warm, dry, and sunny and two pedals makes everything peachy keen. And the majority of people actually believe it.

+Jim Vicious I've seen many people think that they're invincible because they have AWD with ESC and TC, most of those people are wrapped around a tree by a 90° corner because they entered at 100 km/h.

+Alex462047 I disagree.

You're extremely correct with all your observations, but Fifth Gear had all that happen on purpose. They wanted to show the car flipping for entertainment purposes, and the driver had the task of crashing the car. Fifth Gear wanted to encourage ESC in cars using this video because most drivers would not know the proper techniques for avoiding this. Think about it: A 60 year old mom driving her van who swerves on the highway into oncoming traffic to avoid an obstacle WILL stomp on her brakes AND probably not correct the slide. A car without ESC can flip in this case.

If you're 100% sure you're going to crash, you should just brake and let go of the steering wheel depending on your speed. So, yes, if you're going to crash, you'll use the brakes.

Looking at motorsport crashes....if they want people safe, the way is definitely: simple rollcage, 4 point harness, helmet and good training.

So just hit the deer , pick it up and enjoy some venison !!

+HightLink I had the pleasure of attending the Volvo XC90 show at Alameda NAS when it was released in the US. One of the demonstrations was a swerve to avoid a plastic moose at very short range and 50mph with the stunt driver's foot to the floor. What it felt like was that it jammed the brakes on on the side we were rolling towards which snapped the car round, so while steering right and rolling left it applied a lot of left side brake and we slammed back over. It was the most violent thing I can ever remember doing in a car. Impossible to say what it really did, but that's how it felt.

+hfsyuSghf I can assure you that it won't stop you from going off the road ... There are plenty of horror crashed because people don't know how to drive and rely on these system too much. Tiff, of all people should know that ...

+Nicholas Scarff In the end we are all subject to physics. If you stack enough energy in to the vehicle there is nothing that can save you.

+cageordie That's exactly right. But many people just don't get this, they think that because their car is fitted with esc, the system will solve all of their problems.

+HightLink in theory it's designed to not let the car slide sideways too much on its axis which can be useful for novice drivers but can be dangerous if someone will try classic car control in dangerous situations with that thing on, but obviously knowing the cars limit and the drivers limit is 10 times more efficient than any electronic life saving gizmo fitted onto a car

I can assure you that rolling over isn't that fun.

Riky Many I mean if you have a car with a roll cage and a track and the purpose is to just fuck shit up then I'm sure its pretty fun.

I support this statement. I feel like crashing cars to shit as well. :v

+Danilo Angelo Abooooooww ofta jag ser din kommentar

Galna tider 😂

+Danilo Angelo Hahahaha

This is showing how an average car before ESC became a requirement in every new car that is built will react in the case of an emergency swerve. What are you finding so difficult to understand about that?

I have seen a lot of people with lots of road driving experience more than 50k per year, but once you send them over a skid plate without TC or ESC they cant even catch the car. In these moments of shock (obstacle incoming at 70mph) everybody can make a mistake, so ESC can even save the live of an F1 driver. TIff did another video with cars fitted with ESC. You just cant get them to flick as hard even if you want.

***** Experience often does not equate to skill. Unless you're paying attention and actively working to improve your driving, you're not going to become a better driver. This is very well demonstrated by many people currently on America's roads. That being said, I agree that traction and stability control systems (if well programmed/designed) can be of assistance to even the very skilled driver as, even in situations where a skilled driver might outperform such a system, the reaction time of the system can be quicker than an unsuspecting driver. It's very similar to ABS (which can be outbraked but only if you are completely on top of your game at the very instant it's required -- a difficult feat as even the most alert drivers will occasionally suffer a lapse in concentration).

I've never met/heard of anyone who can brake all wheels individually within milliseconds of a skid happening.

ESC is not for when you are on your best, super alert on a country road. If you spin off there, you can't drive and need to learn to judge the car/road/conditions and your ability better. It is for when you drive home late at night on the motorway, pouring with rain and two people have a crash close by and give you a nudge. That's where ESC keeps you away from the truck, because there isn't always room for the world's biggest powerslide.

You may not spot that spilt diesel on your favorite road.

its the escape button

All for entertainment's sake...

Glad someone else caught that....

it was done on purpose...

^ And that's the problem. Lack of driving ability. People have no interest in gaining experience. It's easy and lazy to just drive in straight lines all the time and take a slow turn here and there, never really pushing the limits of the car. Cars are mere appliances to 99% of people, and that's sad.

To be fair, I think they were aiming for a 'normal person' analogue. I know waaay to many drivers who wouldn't have the funniest of what to do in this case.

well it didn't technically roll at 70 though did it. Because there was a lot of skidding and decelerating before it tipped on its roof in a wet grass field.

I would say a good esc has it's uses on dry pavement to improve high speed cornering, but it is not very effective on ice and snow.

yuki no inu You Are Also Trash, ESC will be Save you and your family

ESC has never saved me. I drive everyday in sun/rain/or snow. I've driven in all conditions and have never needed ESC. It has messed up what I wanted to do and put my life at risk. You do not need ESC if you are a good driver. You however are a car, fuck that at most. Bring back the rotary's. I hate computer controlled cars, learn how to drive and you won't need baby assistance.

yuki no inu but ESC is still if you driving a SUV, because if SUV didn't a ESC, it's body roll

Mazda 6 No just stop talking, you have zero clue of anything about cars. If you have anything that has ESC it can be turned off in most cases. SUVs do not need it but the driver does. Due to high center of gravity, yes ESC is more likely to be used by shitty drivers. If you have any car control you do not need ESC. ESC was made because people are shit at driving. Body roll is caused by loose suspension and that is rather not present today, you had 1980s tech where they was no dampening or "comfort" was not possible in that time without having roll. Now days suspension is so advance that SUVs can corner tighter without body roll, they still need to slow due to high center of gravity, but do not need it. Also, ESC has absolutely nothing to do with body roll. There is zero connection other than it's on the car. Body roll is caused by lateral G's ESC is there to stop and apply the breaks to one side to prevent the car from going out of control. ESC is not to stop body roll.

And hit all the speedbump

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

+ThierryTheuns You haven't heard a lot then.

+Richard van Pukkem Toch best wel veel, eigenlijk

+swordfish1986 At least he CAN think, unlike you.

derbigpr500 Look there, another shitbrain.

Yeah pretty sure everyone noticed that. Oh by the way It was on purpose.