At this point his power far surpasses hers. She can only see so much, meanwhile he has seen the outcomes of his actions and took the path needed to win over the Fremen.
He said “There is no one in this room who could stand against this me.” While surrounded by the greatest warriors in the known universe and wasn’t even bluffing or wrong. That’s hardcore af.
I loved how right after he crouches down, daring them to pounce on him. Like he's not the prey, even though he's surrounded by thousands of armed people.
Literally. You wouldn't want to fight against a prophet that your entire lineage have been waiting, believing and praying for generations for his arrival.
Jessica? It's Paul's plan, no? Very early on pre the water of life Jessica ceremony Paul expresses the need to make the non-believers believe. One of the reasons Jessica underwent the ceremony. Though it can be argued that Stilgars' threat had a greater impact. And here she whispers 'slow down' but Paul natural grasped the moment and seized it. He consolidates his power and closes the loop that opened post Jessica taking water of life.
@mulamulelilumadi4717 It is HIS plan but he following the steps his mother laid out for him, but you have to understand he's trying to avoid as many casualties as possible, if anyone else controlled it the crusader across the stars would have been far more brutal, and her plan was to give him full control over the fremen. So he's like fine we'll do it my way then.
Seeing Gurney’s facial expressions when Paul says the line “this is my father’s ducal signet” was one of the most touching parts of this. He looks prideful but also like he’s still mourning Leto. He feels joy seeing Leto’s leadership come out in Paul. Wonderful acting and direction!
For me this is the mood scene all over again: “Mood?” Halleck’s voice betrayed his outrage even through the shield’s filtering. “What has mood to do with it? You fight when the necessity arises - no matter the mood! Mood’s a thing for cattle or making love or playing the baliset. It’s not for fighting.” This time, Gurney knows Paul understood the deeper meaning of the lesson and embraced it.
"In your nightmares, you give water to the dead!" is such an underrated line here. He just throws it out as he walks, saying things he ostensibly has no way of knowing with such ease. No wonder they submit to him.
That was my thinking... if someone told me my dreams or what it is I was thinking, and fulfilled all "prophecy" in my view, it would be hard not to follow such a person. Especially if these people had an inkling of the character of Paul Atreides. Can't really blame them, or him for that matter.
@@realms4219bro if someone could, at this point in history and technology, tell you word for word your dreams, you’d probably be at least somewhat convinced in some kind of power beyond the human
@@theAwkwardAvocado There's a difference between that and immedietly dropping down on your knees and worshipping the guy(why would you ever do this?). When someone tells me my dreams, I'd have questions not faith.
@@realms4219you're confusing life on earth with life on arrakis, have some imagination on what living on an oppressed desert planet with giant worms and sandstorms is like. I hate saying this word but it's true, your pov is privileged
My favorite detail of this scene is how insidious and chilling the background music is, it subverted the common cliche of the chosen one taking his rightful place as a leader while some heroic, hopeful theme plays for the hero and his followers... This isn't triumph, this is the beginning of a journey trough hell that hopefully will lead to the narrow path of survival. A masterfully crafted scene.
Same I was watching another youtube video where they mention that the color palette of the movie changes from golden hues to gray hues when he becomes the kwisatz! It still looks completely bad ass, but also incredibly foreboding and terrifying. Like summoning a demon to make your wishes come true.
@@preysidius190 Another way to view this change in color palette and it most certainly did change, is when he came out from the worm juice induced coma he acted more harkonnen which I'm sure you noticed their home planet portrayed in a very sterile looking black/white industrial. This change of color palette might help add through visual cues, Paul's newly acquired knowledge of his maternal grandparent.
This is almost the perfect cut. It would have been better if you included a little bit of the reactions after Paul wakes up after drinking the Water of Life. His eyes opening is crazy powerful, but how the others view him adds to the gravity of his awakening.
The moment when he tells his mother "she'll eventually come around" and revealing he has the vision of the nick-nack, paddy-wack ... oh, I mean Kwisatz Haderach
For me, this is the real climax of the film - what comes afterwards is just the dénouement, the inevitable conclusion of this scene. It's Jessica's plan winning against Chani's. But more importantly, it's Paul reliving the Gom Jabbar test: he decides to take on the pain of taking advantage of the community that's adopted him (and soaks his conscious in blood) in order to save them from the worse fate of extinction. And he suffers so much from it that, when he's called upon to make the same decision on a larger scale to save humanity via the Golden Path, he cannot do it.
Yeah, thanks for that good point about the Fremen. I reread "God Emperor of Dune" last month and what becomes of the Fremen under the Atreides is heartbreaking. I know Timothee Chalamet read Dune but I am not sure how familiar he is with the extended saga. Nonetheless, his words to Jessica before she left for the south and his acting conjure up that tragedy, "what you did to these people is heartbreaking."
@@arminiuscherusci4410 It's complicated and heavy spoilers for book 3 and especially 4... The general idea is that humanity is on the path of stagnation that will lead to extinction. The Golden Path is the way out of it: it's for a brutal dictator to control the whole of the human-inhabited cosmos and suppress it heavily, forcing humanity to evolve (more socially and politically than biologically) an appetite for expansion and discovery, much like a predator drives evolutionary pressures in its prey. The uber-dictator ends up being Leto II, Paul's son (because Paul can't stomach it), who turns himself into a man-sandworm hybrid and rules as god emperor for nearly 4000 years. Yes, that last sentence is insane, the Dune books get weirder and weirder.
Paul’s seen exactly how to sway the crowd. Even his body language is calculated. Notice that when everyone rises up, Paul squats down to address one Fremen. Masterful directing
The fact that "Lisan al Ghaib" stands for "voice of the outer world", which could mean a couple of things like "the voice from paradise" and to be there at that gathering and have people pay attention to you, you need a "voice" the right to speak which can only be gained by Fremen by becoming leaders often defeating previous leaders in single combat. And here he comes this man from the outer world (not paradise), using his voice. He hasn't earned the right to speak. He hasn't followed the traditional way, he challenges everyone and points to the way. There isn't a way, Lisan al Ghaib will show them the way, like Muad'dib shows the way in the sky. Everything about this scene was perfect. Just the mere fact of planting the seed of calling the ONE "voice of the outer world" shows the Bene Gesserit were aware of the fact that he would have to be recognized as an external factor with the right to speak and him pointing the "way" means he will challenge your traditions to lead. They found the perfect words to plant the seeds for this particular culture. Paul took full advantage of every single drop of their personal history and also his own to water the seed of the prophecy just like Fremen do with water. He has them at his feet, he can point the way now, and they will follow.
it kinda does not mean voice from the outer world, lisan means tongue or language, gaib mean unseen, invisible, out of sight, usually refers for something supernatural like a spirit etc. it kinda make some remote sense but not entirely tho.
The Bene Gesserit didn't know where the Kwistaz Haderach would emerge when they started 10,000 years ago and as such seeded the whole million worlds of the Imperium with its own version of the "prophecy"... the Harroken line being the most promising for generations allowed them ample time to perfectly mold the one for Arrakis since that's where the Kwistaz Haderach was supposed to be born. But in a radically different way them this one since the Bene Gesserit took full account of the stability of the Imperium in their plans as they were loyal servants to the throne while fulfilling their own mission. Paul being born a woman solved the House Atredies threat to the Emperor bloodlessly (the Orleans were dealt with similarly when a barren French princess was married to the Orleans heir... when he died without issue then the family line tore itself apart grabbing what they could & the threat to the French crown was removed permanently)... marrying "Paulina" to Feyd would have produced the Kwistaz Haderach on Arrakis & since the Harroken were isolated by the rest of the Landsraad who hated them then they couldn't be a threat to the Emperor regardless of how powerful they were in regards to the rest of the Great Houses.
I just read the book again after almost two decades having it in the book shelf. And this scene is much smaller there, Paul is only talking to the fremen of Sietch Tabr, when they want to push him to challange Stilgar for leadership. Making it one of the movies climaxes was a great change by Villeneuve.
I watch this speech almost every day, something about his voice, the language, the intonations touch me. Especially when he talks about the grandmother stuff and pronounces himself Lisan-Al-Gaib
I’m new to Dune I’ve watched both parts What shocked me most was how ambitious Paul’s mother is. Like other Bene Gesserit, she knew how to coerce other people. She built up people’s faith in her son as Lisa Al Gaib. Those who didn’t listen, she would just use the Voice on them. She helped push her son down this insane path of leading a Holy War Then again, there was no other way to wipe out the Harkonnens, get revenge, and control the Imperial Throne. Otherwise they’d just die on Arrakis Looks like Paul’s life was doomed either way
Yeah I can see the similarities but still, very different motives. On the one hand, Paul is manipulating the Fremen's beliefs out of a mixture of his desire for revenge, power, to protect to the one's he cares about and some genuine affection for the Fremen as he throughout both films he expresses extreme dislike for what the Bene Gesserit have done to the Fremen and wants to learn their ways not just to help gain popularity amongst them but I think out of genuine respect for their ways. In fact, as far as I can tell, he probably hopes that by bringing the Fremen to their "paradise" he can pay them back for how they've been used. Sauron on the other hand, sought to convert the Numenoreans to the worship of Morgoth purely out of utter hatred of their people. If it seems like I'm dick riding Paul here I don't mean to, it's just my interpretation.
@@pantherapardus1398 I see it as the Gom Jabbar writ large. He can "take his hand out of the box" which in the case means not seizing power, which leads to both his death and the eradication of the Fremen under Harkonnen rule. Or he can "keep his hand in the box" and accept the pain of manipulating the people who have adopted him, alienates Chani, and soaks his conscious in the blood of the billions that will die in the Jihad that follows - but saves both the Atreides and the Fremen. As the reverend mother says "A human will accept the pain to remove a danger to the tribe". It's a choice between two evils, and he picks the latter, partly because he believes it's the lesser evil for Chani and the Fremen (it leads to the eventual gradual death of their culture rather than direct genocide), but also because of a personal desire for revenge. It's a classical trolley problem really, except that with his prescience Paul can't help but see the long term consequences and so there's nowhere for his morality to hide. And, in the next book, we find out that he _hates_ it. To the point that when he understands he has to do the same thing on the scale of the whole of humanity (aka, the Golden Path) in order to save them from long term extinction, he bails out completely. That's the tragedy of Paul: a man with great power who, in trying to prevent great harm, caused almost-as-great harm and suffered for it. People often focus on how Dune is a warning against charismatic leaders, but it also shows how being a charismatic leader absolutely sucks (they are trapped by their own power structures).
This scene. How the Fremen go from being willing to fight him to the death, to willing to burn the galaxy to the ground in his name. He goes “you think I might be the messiah. I AM. I am here to lead you out into the light.”
He is the Messiah & he does lead them into the light... his being the Messiah isn't Paul failure point but that he thinks that being the Messiah is bad/wrong that ultimately kills him
I AM PAUL MAUD'DIB ATREIDES DUKE OF ARRAKIS ERU EDIB DINA ISE NADI (The Hand of God be My Witness) NI LISAN AL GAIB! (I Am The Voice of the Outer World) RU EN DINA MARU ISHID DIB! (I will lead you to Paradise!)
I don't think there's EVER been a scene in a movie more heart-wrenching, more full of conflicting emotions all at once, utterly tragic and awe-inspiring, amazing but terrifying, the power he has, that you're tempted to think he deserves, until you snap out of it and remember you're not a Fremen, but you ARE something that someone could take advantage of...
This entire sequence, from Paul waking up to giving the speech, was my absolute favorite scene from both films. Paul, up to taking the water of life, had been seen almost like a boy. Then in literal seconds, he had become this kind of intimidating, monstrous presence of power. It was AMAZING to watch in theaters. Dude felt like a completely different person, and there was this constant air of "Is he the 'good guy' anymore...??? Is this the right way...???" surrounding him.
The power and confidence in his voice after he drank the water of life……it was so cool how Denis brought about the rise of the kwisatz haderach so well. My favorite movie this year so far.
I love the fact that the undertones of this scene are somewhat sinister, because this is the start of a villain. Also the look on Jessica’s face where Paul goes outside of her own plans and foresights yet succeeds, like he can see even more than she could into the future.
I keep coming back to this moment... Best movie scenes ever done. The rapt devotion of Stilgar is just amazing. Answer me this though; I never knew Paul presentience is so detailed?? I always assumed flashes of possible futures, not mind reading?
Possible futures include seeing futures where you say the right or wrong thing! I took the slight pauses as Paul finding the right thing to say. It’s also implied that those trained to use the voice can use tone and verbiage to influence the thoughts and emotions of others. Including leading them to think something, like Paul could have been doing to the Fremen
Before he reached apotheosis and became a literal god... he only received fragments but after he drank from the Water of Life which forced him into godhood then he could clearly see everything (basically that's how the Navigator Guild created their Kwistaz Haderach in a much bigger way using forced evolution by spice several thousand years previously... though they immediately recognized their mistake and killed him before he could escape containment. A fact that the Chief Navigator brings up when he is talking shit to the Mother Superior about how badly the Bene Gesserit fucked up in their endeavor to birth a Kwistaz Haderach.)
That was upto when he had the water of life,after then it's all 4k either the past or future. That's why he was hesitant to get in a war because he saw billions dying but was all in for a war after seeing the entire future in 4k.
@@65nidheeshkumarprabakaramo68 It's also important to note that "Paul" ceased to be after drinking the water just like "Jessica" did. They are filled with the memories of their entire bloodlines, and in Jessica's case the Fremen's as well. They as individuals are now just the loudest voice in their head, but there's a bunch of others in there as well now. That's why Paul's entire demeanor changes after he drinks the water. He walks, talks, and acts completely differently for a reason.
Might be looking too much into it, but I never noticed how much the chants of the Fremen in the end of the clip mirror the chants of the Atreides soldiers in the beginning of Dune: Part One. Really solidifies the comparison between Paul and his father.
This is my fathers Ducal signet Gurney *please dont toss it Puts it on Gurney😢 😭 *you havent forgotten, you dont believe this bs, lets use these bastards to get ourselves some vengence
I adore the line reading at “I’m pointing the way!” It’s just so fed up, so annoyed. “Fuck you, old man, I’m your goddamn messiah. We’re not messing around with your little tribal customs anymore. We’re doing this my way now.”
I know from interviews Rebecka was conflicted about wearing all the robes and veils but damn, her Jessica is so menacing and conveys so much with so little. At 3:00 is so good.
I dont mind the change that there are skeptics among the fremen when paul takes power, i just think it doesnt make sense even in the context of the film that one of those skeptics is chani. She would have been surrounded by dogmatic fundamentalists her entire life and would have had no real cause to doubt paul, especially when the people she looks to for guidance and whom she respects declare for paul. She would have just been swept up with it. It makes a lot more sense, not only because he actually does become a skeptic in the books, for stilgar to break away because he's older, more experienced, guarded in his beliefs and philosophy, and wiser.
58 years later and people still don't understand the purpose of the story. But I think that actually enforces the idea of the danger in looking up to prophetic figures. I only bring this up because the chani hate I see is ridiculous.
She represents the mature audience. She knows it’s calculated, not divine. She knows this speech will be the death of many of her people. We know it too.
@MikePasqqsaPekiM Chani is stupid and anyone who agrees with her is beyond moronic!!!!! Paul IS THE MESSIAH!!! He is a fucking God who can tap into the very fabric of Space-Time & can control the universe down to the quantum level... this isn't theoretical but established fact within the universe. Why would you not follow a godlike being in front of you who has fulfilled every prophecy about himself & knows things that only the divine could know???
All Lisan al Gaib/Mahdi bs was Paul telling Fremen what they wanted to hear in order to cotrol their culture as Bene Gesserit intended. It's all just lies told to right people in right moments, all being easier by his prescient abilities.
