Dutch Mantell on Bret Hart Wanting Bill Goldberg REMOVED from WWE's Hall of Fame! 

Well said

So true. He had the biggest push of any wrestler in history. He was rushed to the top of the promotion before being fully nurtured to wrestle competently in different types of matches.

EXACTLY!

They did the same thing with The Giant. He knew very little but Hogan saw "Andre the Giant Jr"

This argument that Goldberg is unsafe is complete B.S.. D-Lo crippled a guy in the ring, and I've never once heard anybody EVER say that D-Lo was dangerous to work with and a horrible worker, not EVER.

No, except for the model gimmick he really didn't do anything of note, before that he was just another generic Babyface

@@onamattapeeya Rick Martel was wrestling way before the that corny model gimmick. Martel is a former AWA world champion and a multi time tag team champions. Do your research

@@kidray7818 I don't have to do my research, I have this thing called memory, he was Champion during the last years of AWA, most people don't even consider it a true world championship during that time, it was about as prestigious as the uswa title, and don't even bring up Strikeforce because I don't feel like laughing that hard LOL

tbf there are quite a few people in the Hall of Fame less deserving than Rick Martel,

@@onamattapeeya Your memory must not be too good because the AWA title was still very prestigious in 84 and 85. Strike Force was a top tag team and Martel had won world tag titles way before any of that stuff

I was n the ga dome that night and its one of the best childhood memories i have

Better yet! Piper beating Hogan!!!

yep and people say Hogan never jobbed for anyone go figure

I hated the shift in power. I hated Goldberg.

As a 23 year old man, that was huge

Yeah Dutch is a great person to listen to--Definitely a critical thinker

I don’t think I could ever do it especially with the way I eat soup

@@jarnec9428 No poon tang pie either.

It is a rather epic 'stach

Me too but I'm 71 now & running out of time. 🤣

I wonder 🤔 if that could be an issue with myself.... I got my bell rung at least a few times in the Army and a TBI (knocked out 60+ minutes due to a headfirst fall onto concrete) and then a chronic Nuerological condition until Brain Surgery in 2021....

Not really stroke-specific but my great uncle for his whole life was an angry man and cruel to my aunt verbally. Then he got brain cancer in his 60s, had part of his brain radiated and cut out and became a totally different person, so down to earth & kind. And I just don’t mean someone thankful to be alive seeing the error of their ways, a total personality change, it was eerie.

@mikeg2491 one of the first reasons for trying Lymbodomies was because in the 1800's they were Digging a RR Tunnel w/Iron Drills & Hammer to make holes for black powder to blast off rock in tunnel to excavate. The Drills were in many ways just LONG SOLID IRON RODS. A gentleman who was known to have a certain temperament, placed a rod into a hole that already had the powder, he beat it and boom 💥 the rod went THROUGH HIS SKULL 💀! He miraculously survived and his personality much changed.

He's always been that way. Way before that. He thought it was his right to have the world title, even though he didn't draw for shit, thought he was bigger than hogan, and that hogan screwed him. Then he thought michaels n vince were screwing him by losing in montreal, so they had to pull the rug. Everyone's screwing brett, forever, instead of him realizing it's not always about him in life, and he should just get the fuck over himself.

Meh on one hand you are right on Brett being salty for long, on the other hand people tend to be salty for long against seriously hurting other people with DUI's. I don't know i firmly believe that if you are like Bill making millions doing something 1 day in a week, , you'd got the time and money to invest in yourself to make it look better and save for the people you work with but he stayed willfully ignorant and a sloppy dangerous worker dedicating his time and money on other more important things..

Also Steve Austin botched the same piledriver move against a Japanese Wrestler Masahiro Chono few years back.

Eric Bischoff and a number of other guys have said to that bill didn't know what way he should even try looking because so many people were giving him so much different advice it drove him nuts. Some of them were actually trying to help him out and other guys were trying to stir the pot because stirred pot served them better.

5-10% maybe? It's become a Hall of Whoever-Was-Employed-At-One-Time Fame.

a handful of them but it's an absolute load of crap.

Anyone that people remember and are on good terms with the company can get in. I always loved seeing Nikki Bella’s T&A on tv but I definitely don’t think she belongs in a hall with names like Bret Hart.

What you and many don’t get it’s called a Hall of Fame…..if you had fame your basically in lol it’s way convoluted and misunderstood. It’s a chance for an old broken down man or women to one last time enjoy the fame and accomplishments. Old Turd sucked and hurt many people yes. He is a dumb hick who even often hurt himself because he is stupid. But yet was famous, so he is in.

@James Ratliff definitely deserved to be in it.

He says he's let shit go constantly. Then goes on another cry baby rant.

I think he said that was Dean Malenko who did that and it was after the kick happened. He was still wrestling after the kick

@@belinda8780I imagine if he ever took it to a court of law he’d be shut down, try and argue one specific kick ended your career after having a street match days/weeks after without a doctors checkup in-between.

@@belinda8780 No, with Malenko he was lifted up to the turnbuckle, and landed on his groin too hard. I think though when you hear Hart go on about almost every person other than his holy self it says a lot about him. Same far Austin that broke Chono's neck with his version of a piledriver, before Owen did it to him. These guys are all ego maniacs. Fun to watch here and there, but still ego maniacs.

Both whine and complain 😅

It’s on record that Old turd hurt everyone and himself. Punched through glass over being insulted by Hall lol when he was supposed to use a pipe instead. Most said he was way to rough. Hogan icy hottted is ass just to save his own life. Retired Bret, blew out La Parkas knee, shattered Duprees Collarbone, dropped Taker on his head, shows up bleeding before matches. Knocked himself out several times, was called out by Orton and Batista for being stiff. It never ends, he was trash.

@@thomasbeall9069 I don't disagree, I just think it was cumulative versus just this one time

@RU-vid Viewer yeah exactly. Easy to point to one that hurt a part of the brain he noticed more, but perhaps wasn't "the" one

It's time to find out the truth about Goldbergs performance and safety in the ring... Plus most of all, the truth about Bret Hart on what actually lead to his career ending... Many legends said Goldberg was safe to work with even Ric Flair was speaking on his Wooooo Nation Uncensored Podcast, WWE Hall Of Famer Ric Flair was asked whether Goldberg was safe to work with. Flair stated that he still thinks Goldberg is a safe worker despite concussing Bret Hart. “Well, to me he was very safe. I have been kicked in the head by him too.Jan 6, 2022 but only Bret said he wasn't but the truth is he was it was just that on incident kick but what's also the truth, Bret Harts career wasn't ended by Goldberg, Eric Bischoff explained what truly was leading to Harts career ending... It was Bret who took it upon himself when he had a hardcore match and during the match he hit his head pretty hard on the concrete ground and continued to do more matches, not the kick from Goldberg for that is not the main cause... After Goldbergs match with the accidental kick was on December 19, 1999 than a match against Chris beniot on Dec 21, 1999 next match against Jerry Flynn on Dec 27, 1999 next a PPV hardcore match - against Terry Funk on Jan 4, 2000 next four more matches against Sid Vicious on Jan 6, 7, 8, 9, 2000 and finally his last match against Kevin Nash on Jan 10, 2000... But puts all the blame on Goldberg? C'mon man, lets be for real here... so it was the hardcore match what was leading to end his career because he kept on getting hurt by continuing to do more matches... The kick was accidental even Ric Flair said so that it's a risk and their are times you will get hurt if the match doesn't go as it's set in the ring and this is a guy who started in 1972 and who knows the business from inside and out of the ring... So who's the real person to blame, sure wasn't Goldberg... Like I'm trying to say is, Bret Hart forgave WCW for the caused of his brothers death, he forgave Vince Mcmahon for forcing Bret to loose the title Against Shawn Michaels when bret never tapped out, he forgave Shawn Michaels for stealing his latter matches when Shawn promise Bret he wasn't going to use his idea but lied and did it anyways, but yet cannot forgive Goldberg... I used to like him until he became a lier and wining saying GOLDBERG ended his career when he took it upon himself by continuing to do more matches, that Bret's fault even WCW'S, not Goldbergs... Otherwise, if the kick truly ended his career the match against Goldberg would have been his last and final match... according to Ron Simmons Scott Steiner Rick Steiner Booker T Edge Christian Vince Mcmahon Curt Hennig Bobby Heenan Sid Vicious Arn Anderson Diamond Dallas Page ( Kevin Nash on and off with Goldberg ) Lex Luger Sting The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin Brock Lesner Ric Flair John Cena Randy Orton The Undertaker Triple H Shawn Michaels Paul Heyman and Eric Bischoff said he is one of the greatest because if he wasn't NONE of these guys would support him and say he is... Even Stone Cold Steve Austin said so on the Broken Skull plus he supported him and was right beside him during the 2003-04 era.. that's why He's in the Hall of Fame... Even the Rock loves Goldberg and it was him who got Goldberg to change his mind to come to the WWE in 2003 to make a new era and for Goldberg to be the main character since the Rock was leaving to continue his acting career and decided to play as a heel and Goldberg as the new WWE hero... The truth also is, If Goldberg was an unsafe and unprofessional wrestler, they would have ended His Wrestling career and no longer be rehired back into the business and or even brought back into the business in the year 2016... The true fans that continue to support Bill know it's B.S. on the lies and negativities on him... Accidents do happened and that many others have their career ended like for example what D.lo Brown did to Droz who got him completely paralyzed for life... And we don't hear from Droz saying, you ended my career and I will hold a grudge against you forever... And let's not forget that Owen Hart broke Stone Cold Steve Austin's neck and Owen never really apologized... What's truly sad is, Hart made Goldberg believed that for so many years and still today continuously saying to everyone that he ended his career and cost him millions and Goldberg constantly apologizing for something he didn't even do which was ending Bret Harts career but only an accidental kick to his face... Bret Hart could have taken time off to recover but wanted to continue Wrestling which made it worse... Everyone else said he was safe to work with and never gotten hurt by Goldberg, For example Goldberg asked Jericho personally on Y2J's talked show when he interviewed Goldberg and Goldberg asked, " Chris, did I ever hurt you" and Chris's response was, "no"... Said the person who had a problem with Goldberg in the beginning of their career... Only three people said he's unprofessional and sloppy and doesn't know how to wrestle, Scott Hall Raven and Bret Hart, others said the opposite of Goldberg performance and safety meaning he did pretty well and was safe to work with, none of these guys I mentioned never said he hurt people or to them especially Ric Flair who had a few matches with and against Goldberg and never gotten hurt by him... He can't wrestle hum here are Goldbergs 35 plus three extra moves that he had done in his Wrestling career... 1. Back body drop. 2. Dragon screw leg whip. 3. Spinning back kick. 4. Diving clothesline. 5. Electric chair drop. 6. Gutwrench suplex. 7. Firemen's carry slam. 8. Clothesline. 9. Sidewalk slam. 10. Full nelson slam. 11. Belly to belly suplex. 12. Corkscrew dropkick. 13. Drop kick. 14. Spinebuster. 15. Belly to belly sideslam. 16. Big boot. 17. Shoulder block. 18. Scoop powerslam. 19. Crossarm breaker. 20. Front scoop powerslam. 21. Snap swinging neck breaker. 22. Kneebar. 23. Leg trapped spinebuster. 24. Avalanche gorilla press lam. 25. Superkick. 26. Gorilla press slam. 27. Gorilla press drop. 28. Gorilla press front scoop powerslam. 29. Headlock/underhook suplex. 30. Powerslam. 31. Pumphandle overhead suplex. 32. Gorilla press spinebuster. 33. Gorilla press power slam. 34. Spear. 35. Jackhammer. Bonus... 1.hip toss. 2. Kneedrop. 3. Judo takedown... Theirs a video on youtube of Goldbergs 35 top Wrestling moves Theirs another video of Goldbergs 48 Wrestling moves but the 35 are his best Oh can't forget the head smash ring bar move... And Bret Hart did in fact had another title shot Against Goldberg on Dec 20, 1999...

If not Goldberg, it would have been someone else.

Well, I can see Bret’s point to an extent. The thing with Goldberg possibly had a direct impact on Hart’s life and career. Then again, I am of the unpopular opinion that the kick barely made contact. I’ve also heard Bret say it was his head striking the floor because Goldberg didn’t hold Bret up in proper position for the ring post figure 4 thing.

Watch Bret set up the sharpshooter around the ring post before that kick.

If they had any sense he doesn't belong there, concussion or not.

I like Bret but he must let his hatred and bitterness go towards bill

Not only did Goldberg end his career, the stroke he suffered was because of the concussion it nearly killed him and left him in a wheelchair and lost millions of dollars he would have got on his wcw contact, then he sees Goldberg getting paid multiple millions of dollars for one match at the crown jewel events, so I say brets justified in wanting him out.

I think I get it from his view tho. Most wrestlers were athletes and they either had sports injury’s that cut it short or couldn’t hack it in the big leagues. Bret was born into wrestling. 2nd generation wrestler. Father was a promoter. Brothers were in Wrestling. Sisters married wrestlers. His kids and nephews/nieces was in it. This guy gave his life to wrestling and Vince McMahon. Including the same company took his brother Owen’s life. Suffered a career ending injury by Goldberg. Dealt with the politics from Vince and some wrestlers. I think I would of sued if I was Bret

@@davie96667 to that point; Goldberg was a guy who’s first choice was ended early, was known to be unsafe and unskilled in ring, he was just the look and was reluctant to even be a wrestler. It was just a job to him. Yeah I get where Brett is coming from but I would never have put myself in that spot. Wrestling is so interesting but at the same time there are just testosterone soap operas.

​@@davie96667 his brother cut Steve Austin's career short which was a much greater loss to wrestling than Bret's career.

Bill doesn't deserve hof honors. He's not good at any skills that make a good pro wrestler. He can't wrestle matches and he can't talk on the mic. He's always relied on being carried for opponents and production teams. Right place right time. Lack of talent. Lots and lots and of meat heads could have replicated what Goldberg did if they got the same timing right.

I believe he (Bret) also wiped out on his Mountain bike in Calgary....

He's not getting attention anymore

Goldberg messed up and didn't grab his foot

@@TaylorMade223 yup Goldberg was an ok wrestler but his gimmick got old. He couldnt sell a move or lose cleanly. Hes known to injure wrestlers, he cant have a match more than 8 minutes long. Its not like WWE created him so...looks like theres no special requirements to be in the HOF

That’s Goldbergs fault too. Look how everyone in history ever took that move.

Kaufman is in now.

Yeah, it was so great for business how a dude that didn't talk destroyed the entire roster week after week and made every star there look like a helpless child in a fake sport based on angles and storylines. I'm sure WCW would still be going today if they never beat him and made him 10492827295-0 by now.

Not to mention if anything in that match injured Bret it was the figure 4 around the ring post where he fell on his head. That kick didn't hurt anybody.

It wasn't a motorcycle accident. Bret was riding his bicycle and he hit a pothole on the ground. The pothole was covered with grass, as Bret was biking on a field. Bret also wasn't wearing a helmet. He stated in an interview, that was biggest regret he ever had in his life. That was the cause of the stroke. Goldberg's kick just didn't help, along with the other concussions Bret received in his career.

@@alanguages i thought it was a bike too.but looked up the Calgary herald article and it said motorcycle. But regardless i agree.

@@justin3415 For some reason multiple news sources stated it was a motorcycle also. It is almost as if they did not do their research. If Bret did not use a helmet on a motorbike, it would have been much worse. Some reports stated Bret was on high speed on his motorbike. Which was utterly ridiculous. The interview I saw with Bret he was at the trail he went to the Bow River area it happened. Pointed out, a pothole, that can't be seen when riding a bicycle, as it was covered. Not wearing a helmet made all the difference.

@@alanguages Bike still works because in some places a motorcycle is called a motor bike

Watch the match. The kick was safe. The figure four on the post is what caused his head trauma. Concussions are mostly caused be impacts to the back of the head more than the front. Look at how Brett slammed the back of his head on the concrete floor when he put the figure four on. Maybe bill wasn’t in the right position and was too close to the pole, but Brett did it to himself. Watch the match, you’ll see it and see how he works after that.

@The Outsider you sound like a friggin bigot still living in your mother's basement.

@The Outsider and you're a moron, because I hate Tock, and I just stated an opinion giving Goldberg a leg up. So if you can't make a legitimate point, kindly fuck off

Bret made Austin

@@adamrenfrow Even when he was stunning Steve? Or in the Hollywood blondes?I would say more jake Roberts as that's where thr Austin 3:16 came from and that was on every T shirt Not bret made me.

He told Goldberg to hold his legs as he went for the figure-4 and he didn't, which caused him to fall and hit his head...and that kick later didn't help him at all.

Brett blaming someone else again. It's always someone else's fault. Maybe a grown ass man should look in the mirror and quit crying

Arnold at least has shown up and worked for them. Whether its gm or manager. The others I agree with

@@patrickboian8545 Mr T worked in the first 2 WM he desvered to be in the HOF

@@TyMarshall007 Mr T also had Hogan on the A team which was a huge show at the time in '85 as "the" world champion and did a promo putting him over.

Mr. T deserves it for his involvement in the first two wrestlemanias period.

@@ganglabesh Yeah and you are obviously on your PERIOD! 😂 I can work 20 years for WWE and not get in but you work two WrestleMania's and get in ?

Better worker? You really don't understand wresling

Goldberg ended his career so excuse the bitterness. If somebody ended your career I'm sure you'd be bitter too.

​@@IhateOldbergthewrestler-rc4qrYou can't argue with a jack ass like that, he's probably wishing Vince took a shit on his head instead of Janel.

As of 2023 both were inducted.🤔🎤🎼🎸🎹🎷🤼‍♂️B.W.

He's got such a good, wise head on his shoulders. Granted I'm not gonna act like im a long time listener but I can be at this rate

@RU-vid Viewer well if you won't give him that then he looks even worse.

I think he was talking more in a generality.

Goldberg never possessed any of the skills that make up a quality pro wrestler. He could never talk or wrestle. He was dependent on production teams, writers and opponents hiding his inability to carry a program. This is why he never worked as a champion beyond a couple months despite all the investment put into him. Not a hall of fame level talent. Even b tier super stars that never held belts deserve it more than Goldberg.

@@teppler You're considering just 1 aspect of this business. The WWE HOF isn't just about whether or not one could wrestle. If that's the case then Hulk Hogan doesn't deserve to be there either despite all he accomplished for this business. There're wrestling HOF for just wrestling. WWE HOF covers the entertainment aspect as well.

@@AceGoodheart You have no idea what you're saying. Hogan knows how to wrestle. Watch his matches from Japan. He works a slower safer style in America and works long matches with psychology. He also can carry a program on the mic. Goldberg couldn't do any of that. Tell me what Goldberg could do well skill wise not some abstract "he was a draw".

@@teppler I know what I'm saying. Did Hogan wrestle in high school or college? No. He wouldn't cut it as an actual wrestler. I'm well aware of his time in Japan. WWE HOF is more than just being a good wrestler. It's what they accomplished for the business. Goldberg was huge in the business during those WCW Nitro years. He made money for WCW. To say he doesn't deserve to be in the WWE HOF is foolish.

@@AceGoodheart You're missing the point. I'm not talking about actual amateur/mma wrestler ability. I'm talking about pro sports entertainer ability when I say Goldberg had none of it. Sports entertainers are trained to work in the ring and/or carry a feud on a mic. Goldberg could do neither of those. He had to rely on his opponents to talk and work around his limited ability. He couldn't hold the belt for long because he was horrendously limited. His "huge" WCW years made the rest of the roster look bad because they had to devote so much to the streak and then it fizzled out to an unimpressive title reign which culminated in WWF overtaking WCW. If HOF is based on fan reaction then Goldberg is a HOFer but if its based on any quantifiable skill that makes up a sports entertaining wrestler then Goldberg doesn't deserve to be there. He was right place right time. A new Goldberg couldn't exist today because it would be impossible to do a 150-0 streak in the 50/50 booking climate and that's the only reason he got over. Not wrestling ability, not the ability to talk. Right place right time for someone without much talent. Meanwhile someone like Hogan or Bret could exist in any era and be a obvious HOF talent in any quantifiable manner for WWE.

Yeah I honestly don't get how people don't understand this at this point. A celebrity wing for big names that have associated themselves with WWE...that's it. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

How many conclusions before then and after. This is all keep attention on Brett