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The amount of Funko Pops in the background isn't surprising given that this particular brand of collectibles was styled after Ms Hedland herself.

Unlisted Gang, Assemble!

"I'm a Mog, half man, half dog. I'm my own best friend." -John Candy(Spaceballs)

Bro's name is Sol, because he is from Seoul

The bit in Batwoman where they all got quiet for a bit because acting was happening is proof enough that EFAP will pause for even the tiniest sliver of good in the worst cesspit of awfulness.

The Boys and The Last of Us 2 inspired me to start writing via spite so the whole opening is fuel to my fire my god

According to Google, 2.38% of people on Earth are twins. According to Wookieepedia, there are 23 known twins in Star Wars, out of 21,647 named characters -> 0.10%. Twins are _underrepresented_ in Star Wars...

The boys is becoming more like the comics with each episode.

There might be another layer to the idea of "These people don't care about star wars and are just using the IP to prop up their resume or tell their own story" What if these stories those people make in Star Wars are lackluster because they're saving any original ideas they might have for future projects that they will actaully have control over. In the trucking industry there's this idea that sometimes companies don't wanna hire new drivers because the new drivers will use their trucks to learn how to brake properly and then quit and find some other job now that they have experience. Leaving the old company with the bill of fixing the burned out brakes. What if that is what these shows are to these people. Something to use to get experience, their name out, etc. Until they can finally work on the thing they actually give a shut about.

My biggest pet peeve of modern fiction in general is the over-used trope that good and evil are two sides of a coin and you must have an equal balance of both for any kind of resolution

I like when the Sith Lord sent his acolyte on a mission, and then hurried over to pose as a pathetic weasel for her on said mission, he's so cool.

Gwendoline Christie was better at lying about the nuances of Captain Phasma (a character she was just sort of, handed) than Headland is at describing characters in a show she is prominently *in control of.*

I had cortosis once, took 3 rounds of antibiotics to clear it up.

Mogg is the key to all this. If we can get Mogg working because he’s a funnier character then we ever had in Star Wars

Leslye Headland puts the 'junk' in 'press junket'.

As much as I hate the current overuse of “media literacy” as a phrase, I can’t think of a better example of media literacy being dead than taking Obi-Wan saying Vader was seduced and interpreting that as literal…

In the end, there was no frong from the fring

Dycks out for Unlisted!!

1:44:34 This reminded me of “balls above wang”, lol.

Can someone tell Gary Nerdrotic to check out 2:26:36 ? Leslie Hedland says "What am I doing to these young women" I think he would want that clip BADLY

Batman: (is fascist rich man who beats up poor people) Also Batman: (his most famous enemies include the 1%er Court of Owls cabal, prestigious scientist Mr. Freeze, multiple millionaire crime bosses, and the fucking District Attorney.)

2:26:42 Leslye worried about involving kids in Star Wars fandom "what am i doing to these young women?" Former assistant to HW. Worried that child actors are endangered. Worried that _the fans_ are what's endangering them. Hollywood, with its well-attested history of abusing kids in every way imaginable. And she's calling _us_ the bigger danger. If the dynamics were flipped this would be a career-ending insult.

Morbius memes led to the film getting a second theatrical release. Thats how much power the internet can have 😂

I've been in writing meetings with people who talk like Mrs. Headland. Nothing gets done, listening to that. Buzzwords, "this person said that and it really resonated with me", cool themes of twins and bad; -- yknow, useless shit that has nothing to do with writing, while the people under them bust their ass trying to figure out what any of this shit means

fans: "What Disney is doing to Star Wars is abominable." Screen Rant: "Would you rather have a dead son or a living daughter?"

An Unlisted Gang member watches without a "Live" status. An Unlisted Gang member... views the stream (when it's offline).

1:12:41 I say it's more like that scene from Blazing Saddles where the Sheriff takes himself hostage by pointing a gun to his head and threatening to shoot.

Here’s how you can make the death of Jecki(?) contribute slightly more to Smilo’s character; have him appear a little sad or disappointed that he had to kill her. Don’t have him call her ‘it’. “You brought her here” has no weight when Smilo seems like he has no problems with killing her in the first place. Maybe even have his fight with her be an obvious mismatch, similar to Luke and Vader on Bespin; he has no trouble in fending her off and keeps easily taking her out of the fight without attempting to kill her, but when Sol joins in, the numbers game starts to tell, so Smilo commits to taking Jecki out permanently. Give us something!

I just realized that "seduce" probably had double meaning as well in episode 6. Osha says she failed her training so she might want the easy way, power to use the force which he could offer potentially. The showrunner screwed up putting it in words.

There is a bizarre beauty to the fact that sometime in the podcast one of the EFAP guys mentioned 12 angry men, because Disney Star Wars fans definitely remind me of juror number 12

Unlisted! Can't wait for EFAP for House of the Dragon

Wondering who the real bad guy is? My prediction is: It was us (the audience) all along!

Jeremy Johns refered to whats his face as Smilo Ren in his episode 6 review. If only he had credited the longman...

You know why they don't make a funko pop of headland? Because if they did she couldn't tell which one is she.

3:51:13 it's obvious that she put such little effort into her characters that she cannot even come up with their motivations, even simple ones, or ambitions from a generic question. How can this person consider herself a writer?

The reason why many people, myself included, thought that the balance in the force was about numbers: I was about 10 when I saw Return of the Jedi in the theater. It is important to state that it was only the third movie in the franchise and we had no idea what was going to be in the prequels. All of the context of the force and Jedi was contained in those three movies and in my child brain it did seem very much that it was about numbers. At the end of the movie there was only Luke and the two sith so when Vader yeeted (and killed ie no coming back from that) Palpatine the force was now balanced with only two users. It can be difficult to change what we learn in our formative years especially if it is something emotional such as a perspective about a beloved movie franchise

I really wish Jedi Brooks would reduce the number of times he cuts people off or speaks over them. It's not as bad with the EFAP crew, but when he cuts off Jon it bothers me a lot, because Jon speaks relatively rarely and often only when he has an actual thought he wants to examine, and he doesn't elbow his way to the front, so, to me, it feels more rude to interrupt him.

I genuinely don't know if I can get through this one. Jedi Brooks won't shut up.

Regardless of what you think of moon knight, Oscar Isaac plays the same character 2 different ways better than Amanda with an L plays 2 entirely different people

I'm glad I never watched Russian Doll after watching this interview.

Has Leslie seen her own show? None of what she says is shown in the series

Maybe he misspoke but.... Jedi brooks not knowing that jedis DO male their own lightsaber was pretty bad lol.

Kelnaca probably had khyber allergy, dying because of a lightsaber nick

Being a human audience member is the only thing that grants me joy in life.

If you check out the EU on the topic of the balance between light and dark, you will find the Gray Jedi. They are prominently covered in the KOTOR games, especially the second one. In the EU books, starting really with the first one (Thrawn Trilogy), Luke begins doubting the Jedi way, while he attempts to follow it. Example: He questions how the jedi mind trick would not be an application of the dark side, as it is an invasion into the mind of another, and a breaking of their will. Even in the movies he rejects both Yoda's teachings, by rushing to help his friends, and the offer of power by the Emperor. In the EU, he later founds the New Jedi Order, as something distinct from the Jedi of old. This is done in a way more intelligent way of course than "You teach CHILDREN!!!".^^ Both the Jedi and the Sith follow philosophical codes, one being of passions and one being of detachment. You can easily find faults with both. I recommend the video "The Philosophy of Kreia" on RU-vid.

7 hour video, im there.

That room she's in is 100% fake. The shelves are the kind you find in a storage room.

Did she seriously say...as the show runner " wether you're excited by that or not, thats not my business".....lady thats your damn job, to make people excited about your story! This lady is nuts

4:00:55 someone in the live chat said she’s a professional victim 😂💀

Hilarious that in the era of 'muh fenimism' both Disney female Jedi protagonists end up thirsting for mass murderers who had just murdered someone close to them

No more Jedi Brooks please, one Rags is intolerable enough. Having two people who just repeat things Mauler says, or state the most obvious things repeatedly without insight or a unique perspective is not something I wish to endure. You don't need to speak, just to hear yourself speak, only speak when you have something valuable to add to the conversation. Thanks.

The funniest part to me about the smilo ren "twist", a much better option would have been to just make it some random guy we've never seen before. He wears a mask because he has a relatively normal life outside of jedi murder, and wants to be able to return to it after all is said and done. You know, normal mask things.

1:30:00 You know it isn't a room in her house that always looks like this because the shelves have the minimum amount of stuff on it to not look bare. A real setup would be tighter, have more stuff, and more importantly, also have other stuff. A real room wouldn't be just Star Wars. It would have LEGO and stuff from other franchises as well.

Nobody knows where the boys is even going. What is the plan for the story.

01:47:30 The twins she was talking about are Leia and Han' children, the whole thing started when she was talking about characters that they love from legends that are decanonized and then she says "oh my twins!".

A: Aweful racist of them to put that stereotype in there B: Imagine Smile-O helicoptering and it works like hypno toad on all the jedi C: Mel Brooks should write the parody where Smile-O's hot dog is a stand in for Medusa's gaze lol.

@ 5:17:05, don't you dare write the show for them, MauLer.

Honestly I'd much rather see a procedural drama about canonicity that Mauler described than any Disney Wars "content" .

I suspect the people at Disney are similar to the people I have to work with. Designers that need to design the details for software, all aspects, then only ever design visuals, yet refuse to let other people design function.

The Twins, I think, she is referring to are the light and dark side twins on that planet from Clone Wars. Ryan would know more. 1:41:59

The fact that they think twins are a core element to Star Wars are missing the point of Star Wars. There are many MANY things and themes that make Star Wars what it is. It's also silly to think that all force twins should be special.

You know, Hitler turned out to be very anti-establishment.

Stuff like this as with the She-Hulk Showrunner makes me very much doubt their writing creds. They are just a Biff and bully others to do their work and just retype it later.

The Acolyte and Ashoka were algorithm gold apparently, but what's the excuse going to be for the next show is just not talked about at all?

If it wasn't obvious before that interview makes it so clear she put no thought into what she was making and has no care for star wars

The weird laughing and smiling reactions: no joke, that's a psychopath. Look up psychologists breaking down an interview with the con woman "fake heiress" Anna Delvey and you will see the exact same inappropriate mirth and similar reactions to having caused "drama" (headland's word) or much worse. It's serious malignant narcissist territory.

Look at you, unlisted.

Ugh. Lesley Headland wants THIS story to be the reason jedi don't take children under a certain age. Lady, if that's the case, you need to figure out how the Jedi were operating successfully for hundreds of years prior to this incident and what their normal protocols are to figure out what causes a change. You clearly don't know the ground state you're working with and you don't know how it works in the prequel era, so how can you POSSIBLY be writing about a pivotal moment that causes a fundamental shift? If you want to write about how a central element of a system is altered, you should at least understand the basic workings of the system. Your answers indicate you just have no idea about what any of this looks like on a normal day. It's a shocking lack of interest in telling a story.

Young Ahsoka also played young Gamora in Infinity War. I am sure we will see her again... a lot. Young Mae and Osha... probably not.

5:46:22 Rags obviously joking here, but in reality we kind of did try that with the Cold War. Only it wasn’t balance it was humanity being a single button press away from complete and utter annihilation

Why do they keep letting Brooks on? Does anyone actually enjoy him or his…”contributions”?

Every Jedi ever birthed in all of human history is a Jedi pre or post Yavin. That's both sides of a singular point in time.

I dont blame you guys for not reading EU but fuck some things in that interview would of made so much more since. I really wish ryan would of been here. Over all though trash interview and a great episode of efap

If we could just have jedi brooks shut his mouth for just an hour I would so happy.

i agree looking up wookiepedia should of been standard but they are already changing it so soon enough looking up wookiepedia will be bad

Protein in urine, that is all.

George Lucas directing the young actors about to be killed by Anakin... Hilarious!

"I see cringe ahead! . . ." --Fringolas Greenfleem, 1:03:11

Cant make a proper satire of something you hate.

Sith apprentices: Rag-Lo Maul-Lo Fring-Lo Wolif-Lo The Don-Lo

Being unlisted is gay and not gay at the same time

Headland's laughing comes across as a nervous tick, something to show that she heard the comment and now has to search for an answer that might be fitting, but she struggles to put thoughts into words and can only buy so much time with her laughter. I do something similar, as I struggle socially.

What does "take pride in your work" even mean? - Lesbian Headlamp

There's no reason to believe that a child becoming a Jedi wouldn't be considered a high honor and a cause for celebration in the family, it's not like there's not historical examples of this in human history. Why would they think becoming a Jedi is a prison sentence? Also I'd imagine being an untrained force user would probably be quite distressing as you'd probably have uncontrolled visions, feeling people's emotions around you, harming people around you because you have telekinesis, etc so training would be a necessary just to have a normal existence, there's really no reason to believe that people wouldn't be voluntarily seeking out the Jedi when their child is force sensitive to seek help.

Jedi abstaining from attachment is hard to imagine for regular people, but Zen/Buddhist practitioners (fairly analogous to Jedi training, I would say) are also alien to regular people. And if it isn't expected for a master Jedi to be able to significantly mitigate typical emotional reactions even to comrades being killed before them, then the Jedi way is pretty much useless and built on false promises. It would be difficult to portray usefully, but I'd expect a kind of inward preoccupation as they managed their inner efforts, if not being so masterful as to be pretty much unfazed by it, rather than just emoting like a regular person. Even soldiers are at least somewhat emotionally girded against the tragedies of battle, far more than someone who's not. They've mentally adjusted their expectations to anticipate the worst, in every battle, so they can continue acting pragmatically no matter what happens. These civilian reactions of characters in very non-civilian roles just undermines these aspects of the story. I understand that Jedi tranquility could easily just appear as wooden non-acting, and make it hard for typical connecting with the audience, but some attention to this would lend the material some much appreciated depth. Also, as a side note, 'non-attachment' can also refer to allowing yourself natural emotional responses to things, but letting it come and go and not holding onto that itself. In other words, 'acceptance' taken to the fullest degree; casting off of egoistic 'clinging'. That could potentially allow for some degree of connections. I'm not 100% sure which 'lack of attachment' is meant by the Jedi way, but this is a possible expression of it, that is more relatable and 'human'. In Sol's case, it would probably be more like a subdued sorrow, with frustration and anger being basically absent. He'd probably have to meditate extra to attend to it properly, but I don't think he'd allow it to distract his awareness and self-control in its throes. The meditation and training is pre-laying the groundwork, so there needn't be the reactive turmoil when the terrible circumstance arises. Again, though, understandably tricky to fully convey on-screen.

3:52:10 Okay guys, calm the fuck down. She obviously means that "humanity" as a characteristic in fiction, is a weird term to use when in a setting filled with other sapient species that display the same breadth of emotions and depth as humans. She's not saying that there's no humanity in Star Wars.

Did Leslie even write/watch her own show? She clearly doesnt know what shes talking about

12:28 - this thing about Batman being fascist hunting down poor people is not only wrong but boring as well. For starters Bruce originally become Batman to free Gotham from the rule of mafia families; Carmine, Maroni etc. and we all know that people from mafia are very poor 😅Other than that Batman fight insane criminals which often don't care about financial gains at all - so you can say that poverty lead them to crime. I wonder what those progressive writers would say knowing that in the beginning of Knightfall story Batman saved entire school of young woman from Mr. Zsasz - not so long ago MauLer played Arkham games, so he knows how lovely this guy is... Don't those progressive writers don't wanna save lives of young woman? As for fascist angle; I remember story called Golem of Gotham" in which Batman was investigating and trying to stop activity of neo-nazi terrorists in Gotham - but sure Batman is a fascist and those neo-nazists were just poor people... 😅As for kinky site of Batman - sure there is Catwoman but other than that I don't see much of conection.

Mauler, your discord invite link is invalid. Expired?

I think the 'seduced by the dark side' thing means she didn't know what seduced meant at all when she was a kid and later in life she learned the sexual use. I'm not sure she knows it's other uses.

35:30 Oof, bad take. Them not having super powers absolutely sucked, it directly led to the "girls get it done" moment because the "Boys" are, as humans, completely useless. In the comics, they had powers from the start and it was the supes that were completely useless for the most part, because they had inconsistent powers, no training and were mentally unstable. Instead of just making the supes more of a threat, they also made the Boys weak and therefore created a new imbalance. Which had to be corrected by new supers coming in to save the day, making this basically just another superhero show, instead of the opposite, which is what it was meant to be.

The Boys season 4 is abysmal, I endured until episode 5 just for curiosity (the super carnivorous sheeps were fun, still botched like everything else) but episode 6 broke me. I'm done with the show.

5:08:00 that didn't just happen... no way... I was joking about how they are so stupid and shallow that when they heard "seduced by the dark side" they don't get the metaphorical meaning, but just the direct sexual one. She confirmed that's actually what happened with her. No wonder the shows follow a pattern of "think of the stupidest possible thing that could happen and that (or something even worse) is what happens"

52:20 Fringy missed Leslye's extreme narcisism here. The "perhaps" was meant to cast doubt if the audience score and review were ever reliable at all.

It's not even really true that there was a time where new Star Wars wasn't made for years. No new movies sure, but there were always books and video games and RPG sourcebooks coming out, pretty much from the mid-80s on.

My boys

fringy is fwrong

6:32:00 its all projection, they ONLY like these shows because they see it through the lenses of race, sex, sexuality, etc. Its all they see so anyone disliking the shows must dislike them for the same reasons they like them.

Can people please stop spreading the Jack Gleeson myth? That is 100% fake, I heard him say himself it's fake at comiccon and after a simple google search you can find he gave up for a while on acting because... he was a freacking kid and wanted to focus on school for a while...

The Boys season 4…starlight apparently had an abortion with Hughie which gets brought to light by the far right chick on her show. There was no set up for her having an abortion and that is a very emotional decision that the boys just said “fuck it. This happened off screen somehow,” just so they can talk about abortions since that’s a big topic in politics right now.