Elce "Thunder" Lauriston vs. Ian Boyne - Sabbath Debate (Part 1) 

Excellent

Beautiful insights and input sis.

Elce-Junior Lauriston , I wanna get your book you were talking about.

Hi. Can you explain a little more about the manna condition? Are you saying that Israel only had to keep the Sabbath for as long as God gave manna?

❤ *Yes, Jesus is that bread (Manna) from heaven. This bread has to now be broken at Holy Communion, the Lord's Supper in remembrance of Jesus. Holy Communion is a New Covenant institution established by Christ Himself. And guess what day after His resurrection he broke bread with His disciples to establish this Holy Communion? It's not on Saturday. Noooo ... but IT WAS ON THE DAY HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD ! THE SAME DAY PENTECOST TOOK PLACE. THE CHURCH WAS BORN. SUNDAY !* 🙏🏽🙂

Amen! Thank you.

Yes, every day would have been a rest in terms of no sin. But every day could not have been a LITERAL Sabbath in terms of public communal worship if everone was doing manual labor on that day. The Sabbath commerates that we worship the TRUE creator. Yes, it can symbolize other things, Paul draws other parallels between the Sabbath and other things, but the PURPOSE it was given was a memorial of Creation. Exodus 20.

@@JaxCover nothing in Scripture remotely suggests that the Sabbath is THE EXCLUSIVE day of worship, nor that it is THE memorial of creation. Psalm 19:1 and Romans 1:18-20 are more than clear that it's creation and its complex, powerful intelligent Des that memorialize Creation and God's power. Not the Sabbath. You Sabbatarians need to think these punchlines and arguments through before regurgitating them. The Sabbath does not exist in space, nor can be kept there. Should I take it that God can't be known nor worshipped by astronauts in space? Again, research these things carefully before just regurgitating them. These are hackneyed arguments that I've dismantled over and over.

@@JaxCover no, the sabbath was a memorial of God RESTING from his creative work. Sabbath means "to cease from", so the memorial is about the finished and complete rest of God.

@@LoCoWi I actually agree with that. However it parallels other things as well. ( Hebrews 4) It has been a long time, did I say that the Sabbath was not a memorial of creation? Please refresh my memory, Sister. Blessings!

It was made for the Jews in the Old Covenant, and isn't a requirement under the New Covenant.

After being apart of the church for some time now I've never heard this sentiment being expressed, so I ask why do you say that.

False. "For in six days the Lord created the heavens and Earth, the sea and all that in them is and rested on the seventh day. Wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." It is plain as it can be. Notice Elce said there was no Sabbath in Genesis chapter 2 but Exodus 20 shows you what was blessed and hallowed in Genesis was in fact the Sabbath day! Saying there was no Sabbath in Genesis is just ridiculous.

@@tubeloobs He deliberately ignored the reference God himself made from Gen 2 in Exodus 20:8-11

@@tubeloobs I don't honor the Sabbath and I am doing just fine with the Lord . I may worship on Sunday but no one honors Sunday.

@@janetdavidson8798 we must worship God every day but we must not disobey Him then act like everything is fine.

​@@tubeloobsif we must worship God everyday why do adventism deem Sunday worship pagan? If u worship on Sunday u too r à Sunday worshipper

Kindly prove your assertion that Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 14, and Galatians 4:8-10 are the "ceremonial Sabbath." Kindly itemize for me what exactly qualifies some Sabbaths as "ceremonial" and others as "moral." Be sure to list the linguistic, historical, theological, contextual, and whatever other criteria or proofs for these. I'll anticipate and appreciate them, so that I can study these criteria further and possibly distinguish them if your proofs and arguments are convincing.

Lev 23 explains the 7 annual Sabbath's if you study them. Roman's 14 mentions nothing about Sabbath and Colossians explains it self.

@@Tallman89 the very first ceremonial Sabbath of Leviticus 23 is the WEEKLY SABBATH. Lev 23:1-3 LEB 1 Then Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the Israelites, and say to them, ‘The festivals of Yahweh that you shall proclaim are holy assemblies; these are my appointed times. 3 “ ‘For six days work is to be done, and on the seventh day shall be a Sabbath of complete rest, a holy assembly; you shall not do any work; it shall be a Sabbath for Yahweh in all your dwellings.

@@Tallman89 Romans 14 doesn't mention the Sabbath by name but it does mention it by its being (a day). Yes, Colossians 2:16-17 is very clear. Only misguided Sabbatarians try to muddy it in attempts to rescue the weekly Sabbath from it's grasp. Colossians 2 mentions all the festivals in descending order of yearly Sabbath, monthly new moon celebrations, and the weekly Sabbath. Very clear.

No the sign of the new covenant is communion

That's correct. God entered into a state of perpetual rest ever since, and man was supposed to remain in that rest with Him, but sin broke it. Hence the invitation of Hebrews 3-4 calling us to enter into that rest by embracing the Gospel when we hear it.

Is there a mandate to GET married, or is the mandate to adhere to the marriage covenant once you enter into it? If the 7th day is blessed and sanctified, how do we treat something that is called holy? What ought our relationship be to it? The day is sanctified, set apart for a holy use. So, what ought we to be doing each time the day comes around?

The marriage covenant affects everyone on earth because even though you choose not to be married you are not allowed to fornicate because of it!

Because it’s one of the Ten Commandments.

Jesus Himself kept the Sabbath when He was here on earth,for an example for us.

In Genesis 2:1-3 clearly declared that God rested on the Seventh Day . He also blessed the Sabbath Day and Sanctified it. In Exodus 20:8-11 This is the only Commandment that God reminds us to remember. "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy..Six Days shall thou labour and do all thy work, but the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. , .

Bible Believer and of course, it's incumbent upon you to biblically respond to our proposition and refute them. Very simple.

That's good let's just stick to the Bible and the Bible only. Obviously you read about the new covenant Christians experience above

Elce is telling the truth . IAM so glad God lead him out of the SDA cult .

Biblical ignorance is always why folks like you end up in cults like SDAs trying hard to make it to heaven through its false doctrines and silly prooftexts.

Bestiality isn't repeated in the New Testament ? Is it now okay to have sex with animals ?

@@jonahlewis8592 you are silly.

@@jonahlewis8592 obviously you are very ignorant but thinking you know what you're talking about. The Greek word "porneia" that is translated as "sexual immorality" in the New Testament, which is consistently condemned and disavowed INCLUDES beastiality as a FORM of sexual sin to be shunned.

That's right . Colossians 2 :16 . SDA'S are stuck in the Old Testament .

@@jonahlewis8592 All 9 of 10 commandments are in the New Testament except for keeping the Sabbath . Please read your Bible .

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FRmDS4fH57I.html New Covenant Christian Experience. If you think you know scripture read the following. With no additions or subtraction. Read how an Evangelist dealt with some of these issues; speaking at a public presentation. The following reveals what many do not understand; and further proves that a Sabbath to Sunday change in the Bible is absolutely impossible. “I had just finished preaching on the subject of the Sabbath in one of my evangelistic outreach programs. I stepped off the platform to greet people as they were leaving. 3 young men blocked my way in the aisle. One of them addressed me in quite a loud voice loud enough to cause about 50 people near the front of the auditorium to stop and listen. “Dear brother” he said, “we were disappointed tonight, with the way you put us back under the Old Covenant; don’t you realise that we are living under the New Covenant, and should keep Sunday instead of the Sabbath?” Though the congregation were leaving the Church, a group near the front gathered closer to hear all that the young men were saying. It was obvious that I would have to take the time to answer the trio's challenging question. As I suspected, they turned out to be young seminarians in training at a local Bible college. Eagerly they held their Bibles in their hands and waited triumphantly for me to answer. Usually, I do not like to debate controversial matters in a public forum, for fear of stirring up combative natures, but there seemed no way to avoid dealing with these ministerial students, who had my path completely blocked and the circle of listeners looked at me expectantly for some explanation. “Well, it seems as though you have studied the subject of the Covenants quite deeply,” I suggested. “Oh, yes,” they affirmed, “we know all about the Covenants.” “Good,” I replied. “You undoubtedly know when the Old Covenant was instituted.” One of them spoke up quickly, “It was instituted at Mt. Sinai.” “And how was it ratified?” I asked. Without a moment’s hesitation one of them answered, “By the sprinkling of the blood of an ox(Bull).” “Very good,” I commented, “and how was the New Covenant ratified?” All 3 chorused the answer, “By the blood of Jesus on the cross.” I commended the young men for their knowledge of the Scriptures and asked them to read me 2 verses out of their own Bibles. Galatians 3:15“Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; though it is only a man's covenant; yet if it is confirmed, no man annuls, or adds to it.” Hebrews 9:16-17“For where there is a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead: since it has no power at all while the testator lives.” They responded eagerly to the invitation, and read the verses, commenting on each one after reading. “We agreed that the New Covenant did not go into effect, until after Christ died; and nothing can be added or taken away after He ratified it on the cross,” the spokesman for the group asserted. All three nodded their heads emphatically over this point. I said, “Now you must answer two more questions for me. Here is the first one, and you must think carefully to give me the correct answer: When did Sunday-keeping begin?” There was a moment of shocked silence; the boys looked at each other, and then down at their feet, and then back at me. I gently prodded them for the answer, “Surely you can tell me the answer to this question. You have known all the others, and have answered correctly. When and why do you think people began keeping Sunday?” Finally, one of them said, “We keep Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Jesus.” I said, “Then I must ask you my last question. How could Sunday keeping be a part of the New Covenant? You just stated that nothing could be added after the death of Christ. He died on Friday and was resurrected on Sunday, if Sunday was added after Jesus died it could never be a part of the New Covenant could it?” The three young men shuffled their feet, looked helplessly around, and one of them said, “We will study into that and talk to you later.” They then fled from that auditorium as fast as they could go; I can assure you that they never returned to talk about the covenants.”

@@brianholloway1451 neither Sunday worship not sabbath worship are obligatory

@@deus_vult8111 this is an interesting thought of yours. So Jesus made a terrible mistake when he took the 10 commandments of stone and put 10 commandments in your heart. So we can lie cheat steal kill commit adultery and have no consequences according to what you are saying. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath the Pope is Lord of Sunday. When the Sunday law comes in it will be over the day of worship. 50 million people died at the hands of the Catholic Church over the day of worship. The Ethiopian Eunic went to Africa and spread the good news there were millions and millions of people in Africa keeping the sabbath until the Inquisition. David Livingston went to Africa and he found pockets of people still keeping the sabbath. In Russia there are many monuments about keeping the sabbath. I went to India where one of the apostles was killed they all keep the Sabbath. Interesting. Not one denomination would argue that Satan was kicked out of heaven for breaking one of the commandments of God. Jesus was crucified on Friday buried rested on the sabbath according to the commandments in the book of Luke and he rose on the first day of the week even Jesus at death kept the commandments. His last will and Testament he said not one shot not one title will be removed from the 10 commandments until heaven and earth disappear. Well according to the excitedpedia Botanica, the world has not disappeared yet. And you can ask any astronomer or physicist has the earth disappeared yet and the answer will always be no not yet. Even the book of Revelation clearly states here are they who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus. And the arc was opened in heaven and the testimony was seen. The 10 Commandments was put on the inside of the Ark. Moses law that was against us that was contrary to us that was nailed to the cross was put in a pouch on the outside of the Deuteronomy. If you have a will while you are alive it is of no importance. I will only comes into affect after the testor dies. Before Jesus went into the grave he said my Testament will not be altered will not be changed it will be still binding. In actual fact the first couple of words say {don't bring it to thought }. It's funny that when you ask a 10-year-old child what this means they give you a very clear answer.

Context is truly something you Sabbatarians can't learn to read Scripture in. Isaiah 66:22-23 isn't saying that at all.

Is. 66:22-23- “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. 23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. (Sabbath will be kept in heaven and must be kept now.) If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that the “Sabbath will be kept in Heaven” and therefore must be kept now, by the very fact that chapter 65 & 66 form one contextual unit in describing the “New Heavens and Earth,” then it also means that: Literal Jerusalem is Heaven (65:18-19, 66:8, 10, 13, 20), Young men will die in heaven at 100 yrs old (65:20), Sinners will be there and live to be 100 yrs old (65:20), Accursed sinners will be there (65:20), The possibility of not enjoying one’s labour will exist (65:21-22), The possibility of labouring in vain and having children for disaster will exist (65:23), The possibility of animals hurting and destroying each other in heaven will exist (65:25), Animal and Grain offerings will be offered in heaven (66:3, 20), The flesh of pigs, rats, and abominable creatures will be eaten in heaven (66:17), Jewish missionaries will be sent to pagan, unconverted nations (66:19), The transport to Heaven will be on “horses and in chariots and in litters and on mules and on dromedaries….” (66:20), Literal priests and Levites will minister there in the Temple (66:21), The New Moon festivals (which Adventism has NO INTENTION of keeping now nor in Heaven) will be kept (66:23), The dead bodies of rebels will be observed throughout eternity (66:24), The dead bodies of rebels will burn incessantly just outside of the city (66:24). A casual reading of Isaiah 65 and 66 will reveal that the passages are referring to the Exiles coming from Babylonian captivity and their home "Jerusalem" will be "AS/LIKE" a "new heavens and earth" compared to where they will be coming from--Babylon--and that God will bless them with conditions of long-life, prosperity, peace, the enjoyment of their labours, righteousness, continuous worship (“From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath” means- every day, every week, every month worship), restoration, justice, etc. These passages ARE NOT talking about the "New Heaven and Earth" of Revelation 21 & 22 (Rev. 21 and 22 reveal different conditions of life from what is described in Isaiah, i.e, no death, eternal life, no temple, no levitical priests, no night, perfect enjoyment of everything, timelessness, no sinners, the personal presence of God and Jesus, etc.)

@@ReverendThunder Thank you for that, and I will reread the passages again. Thank you.

@@JaxCover no prob. Be blessed.

My email address is elcelauriston@gmail.com or you can FB Message me. I have resources I've written on these issues that can help your enquiry. Hit me up and I can send them to you. I have a video presentation here (Sabbatarian Prooftexts Examined) that will explain Matthew 24:20 in the context of Judaism and Jerusalem at that time, not as your tour guide and Israel today. Big difference.

@@ReverendThunder I have watched the segment about Matthew 20:24 and am now watching some other videos around Matthew 20 that you've posted to get more context on your view. If I'm still confused, I will reach out. Thank you, sir. :)

@@Jack-si2pg you're welcome. Sure, feel free to do so.

@@ReverendThunder Hi Elce, I hope you are well. I did have a chance to check out some of your more in-depth videos around Matthew 24 and the mention of the Sabbath. I guess I'm a little confused by the chronology of your interpretation because it seems like you are saying that parts of the prophecies Olivet Discourse already took place such as the abomination that causes desolation and flees on the Sabbath, but the others take place in the future like Jesus' second coming. But then Matthew 24:29 says that immediately after those days is Jesus' second coming? So I guess could you explain how you figured out the timeline or could you refer me over to a video where you go in-depth. I purchased and started reading your book: The Sabbath, What You Need To Know - but I don't think I saw anything thus far (maybe I missed it or haven't gotten there yet - I did skip around :P - sorry, but with work and class, time's a bit thin) about how your timeline was constructed. Thank you, so much.

@@Jack-si2pg hey bro, good to hear that you are still searching and actually reading the book. Don't you see how far 24:29 is from 24:20 and even the events they describe? You seem fixated on 24:20. Do you believe that this single reference to the Sabbath and the difficulties that the disciples in Judea would face on it when Jerusalem is under siege somehow is a 1) command to keep the Sabbath, 2) discards everything else Scripture says about the Sabbath everywhere else, and 3) that Christians are currently bound to keep it? Help me understand the fixation to that single text about the Sabbath. Thanks for your diligence.

Sorry man you are not doing your job you’re just rambling Thunder really got you brother. quit man just quit please.

What does knowing when to repent have to do with a discussion on the Sabbath bro?

@@ReverendThunder it's quite simple bro. Just answer one simple question. How do you know when to repent.

SMH. When your conscience convicts you of wrong.

@@ReverendThunder If I were a crocodile worshiper and followed the Christian Golden Rule it would be wrong to NOT throw my neighbor into the mouth of my god. So my conscious would tell me....... But perhaps you think Christians should just follow what they BELIEVE to be the right thing? The Catholic Crusades come to mind....

Hebrews 4 says that those of us who enter into God's spiritual rest, do rest from our works AS GOD DID FROM HIS. God wasn't resting from sin. God didn't rest from "trying to gain salvation by works".

@Black Bear The new covenant is the SAME LAW. Not eliminating one commandment but keeping the other nine. Note that the new covenant changes the LOCATION. It is now on the heart and believers can obey it, as opposed to just being written in stone. But its TERMS never changed. There are still 10 not 9 terms of this covenant.

@Black Bear Hebrews 4:10 absolutely is about a day off work. Hebrews 4:11 onward is about the eternal grace, yes. But verse 10 states that those who have entered into this rest of grace, SHOW IT by entering into the LITERAL day of rest like God did. Paul is making SEVERAL parallels and analogies here, not just one.

@Black Bear The text says that those who HAVE entered into this rest of Grace, do cease from our labors "AS GOD DID FROM HIS". What "labor's" did God rest from, that we are also to rest from? 1. A rest from a "works" based salvation? No, because God doesn't need to earn any salvation. So it's not those kind of works. 2. Secular works? Yes. Because that is the kind of works that God rested from after 6 days of creating. Therefore, the text is saying: Those who have entered into the rest of Grace, do *ALSO* enter the 7th day rest AS GOD DID. They Sabbath like God Sabbathed. We do what God does.

@Black Bear Hello. This isn't about Walter Rea, Ellen White or anyone else. It's about a proper understanding of Hebrews 4. Please prayerfully reread it. Blessings!

Bro, I'm not into this silly game of word parsing and chase the rabbit with you. Say what you want to say and let's discuss that perhaps, but all this gump is unnecessary. If you want to say only the Law or Sabbath lets you know when to repent, say so. All this circumlocution and trying to catch me in some silly word game is immature and questionable.

Looks like you did not watch the entirety of both presentations. The non obligation of Sabbath keeping for Christians today is overwhelming in Scripture. Only misguided Sabbath fanatics refuse to accept this fact because they idolize the Sabbath and somehow think they can earn some salvation brownie points by paying lip service to it.

How in the world can created time be a part of an uncreated, eternal God!?

I've read Hebrews 10:1-4 and I don't see where it says the Sabbath was not ceremonial.

Read again

Do you have anything sensible or meaningful to say other than these outdated, hackneyed SDA punchlines that are so nonsensical when contextual facts are observed?

@@ReverendThunder That was just rude. He presented actual concerns/inquiries about the existence of the 10 commandments before they written on stone at Mt. Sinai and this was your response? Fact is where there is no law there can be no transgression. If there was no law stating thou shalt not kill/murder than what law did Cain break when he killed his brother Abel? Why was the earth destroyed by flood if there were no morals laws at the time to determine who was evil or not? Why did God punish Pharaoh for taking Abraham's wife into his house? But your response ignores all that the bible says in regards to God law before Mt. Sinai. I guess it is OK to pick and choose for ourselves which scriptures we WANT to follow and which ones we can completely ignore. I hope your neighbor is not a crocodile worshiper who believes in the Golden Rule.... Also, you are not welcome in my house. I would have to hide my wife, my children and all my valuables from you. A lawless Christian would just take whatever he wanted even if he/she had to murder for it.

@@davidstarr6604 the same question that I posed to the first commentor is posed back to you.

@@ReverendThunder I see you will disregard what the bible says. Except for just those parts you can redefine to match with your Jesuit beliefs. There really is no more reason to continue this conversation. Your hatred and prejudice (is there a word for "racist against a religion") is showing. Soon you will be shouting "death to all Sabbath keepers". It's the Jesuit way. Enjoy what short time you have left on this earth. I'm figuring 9 years max until the 7 last plagues hit. You are in my prayers though. It's obvious you do not know what you have done, are doing even now and well yet do.

That just proves to me that thunder is now an apostate the true is that I don't even know if my brother believe what he was talking about cause the least of a sabbath keep would have turn him upside down and that's the truth so I know something went wrong I can't tell what I have seen him now six years after online speaking the same thing he has written books now

That text says NOTHING about them "keeping the Sabbath." Evangelizing unsaved Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath IS NOT keeping the Sabbath.

Empty opinion. Perhaps you should prove it. Heb. 8:6-9:5, 2 Cor. 2 are more than clear that the first covenant written on stones (10 Commandments) have disappeared and a new one is here. Read your Bible contextually and stop regurgitating what you've been spoon-fed.

@@ReverendThunder The new covenant isn't the same law, but written on the heart? What's the terms of the new covenant then?

@@JaxCover let me know after you've studied the issue out.

@@ReverendThunder Please don't be condescending or sarcastic. We are reasoning here. I don't see the difference in the terms two covenants, just the placement and efficacy. This new covenant is not the same law, just written in the heart?

@@JaxCover 2 Corinthians 3 describeds the Ten Commandments as the ministry of death. 1 Cor. 15:56 says that the law is what strengthens sin. So you want me to believe that that which produces death and strengthens sin in the lives of people are what God writes in our hearts? Does God intend that sin be strengthened in us and produce death to us?

The first feast day in that passage is the weekly Sabbath (vs. 1-3).

Thats the seventh day Sabbath not the annual feast day's

That passage doesn't say that Paul kept the Sabbath.

So wrote Hebrews

He did not. He knew there was a gathering of Jews there and went to preach.

I think you have yo sit down and study what you are ssying begore you open your mouth. God did mot give Adam and Eve the 10 commandments. There's no scripture to support it not even Abraham nor Isaacs nor Jacob had the 10 commandments. . Can keeping the 10 commandments make me go to heaven,can they wash away my sins sir no it was given to Israel for a specific purpose. Please study your bible and don't allow hell n g white take you to hell with her. What does the term amalgamation means and tell us the whole truth. Where in scripture it says Jesus went into the sanctuary to do investigated judgement. Please tell us the truth my friend.

@@cyprianpeters9110 Well said

@@cyprianpeters9110 I think you have to read you Bible prayerfully and without prejudice. "Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:""For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Romans 5:14. Sin is not imputed when there is no law. There has to be a law otherwise sin is no sin. The law defines sin. So there was a law before the ten commandments were proclaimed to Israel on the mountain.

@@cyprianpeters9110 I think you have to read you Bible prayerfully and without prejudice. "Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:""For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Romans 5:14. Sin is not imputed when there is no law. There has to be a law otherwise sin is no sin. The law defines sin. So there was a law before the ten commandments were proclaimed to Israel on the mountain.

@@valibucuresti JESUS DISCIPLE ALWAYS KEEP CHURCH ON SUNDAY AND JESUS ALWAYS SAVE POEPLE .ON SUNDAY Acts 2:46-47 King James Version (KJV) 46 And they, *continuing daily* with one accord *in the temple*, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the *Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved*.

You Sabbatarians away make Satan, your father, proud with your false accusations of Christians and character assaults.

I've read that piece before. It's hugely irrelevant to what I debated in this presentation. Furthermore, they doesn't prove that I'm obligated to keep the Sabbath under the new covenant.

@@ReverendThunder you are absolutely right you were under no obligation to keep the Sabbath. Jesus simply said if you love me. No one is forced to love. It is a response not an obligation

Jesus never said "If you love me keep the Sabbath." That's what you certainly wished He said in John 14:15 or impose on the text, contextually that's not what He said nor was referring to. If only you folks would learn contextual exegesis of Scripture.

@@ReverendThunder Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. As you are a minister of religion. Please tell me what commandments did Jesus give at Mount Sinai. And in the new Testament Jesus said if you love me keep my commands. Abraham new which commandments. he know what the commandments were what the statues were and what the Law is. Jesus was reciting to the rich young ruler the 10 commandments. The rich young ruler stop Jesus. Before Jesus recited all the 10 commandments. The rich young ruler replied. I've kept all these. What did Jesus say.

@@brianholloway1451 God created the New Testament for a reason . It's the new covenant that we live by . Colossians 2 :16 God's greatest commandments , Matthew 22 :30-40

Est-ce que le dimanche (1er jour) n'est pas mentionné dans les évangiles ?

NO ITS NOT

What scripture says that ? I don't believe EGW. She was a false prophet .

REALLY MARK OF ROME? TELL ME REMNANT ONE WHY DO U SDA'S FOLLOW THE ROMAN GREGORIAN CALENDAR AND NOT THE LUNAR CALENDAR BASED ON THE MOON CYCLES TO DERTERMINE WAT DAYS THE SABBATH DAY FALLS ON. WH8CH W3RE USED BY ANCIENT ISRAEL ? U SDA'S R TOO UNDER ROMAN AUTHORITY 😅😅😮

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Very. Very weak.. This young man's counter himself. I wish him well. Congratulations Baldwin. You did your job.

@@denisebrown9140 the only thing you blind Sabbatarians have is empty accusations and rants. Never any substance to prove or disprove something.

It was very difficult having this dialogue with him. Nonetheless, I had to endure it and do my best to get the points across.

@@ReverendThunder nice job Thunder. Hope you are well and the new ministry suits you and provides income for your family. I listen to you at the gym and when I hike. I learn so much. It’s a rich blessing.

@@rayray4192 thank you bro. I'm doing well. I hope you and your family are as well. Thanks for the support. I'm loving ministry. It's always been my passion and calling. Slowly but surely, things are falling into place where I can continue to serve and His people, and have my material needs met. Blessings to you bro.