My lovely ladies from the war of the roses. Jodie Comer + Rebecca Ferguson's brilliant acting has truly informed this love. All clips from The White Queen + The White Princess Song: You Are a Memory - Message to Bears
It was 4 years later and a Starz Production without the BBC. Besides, Renecca Ferguson (actress from TWQ) had moved on to bigger and better (films) Even though TWP takes place like 3 years later
Please tell me the name of the show and where I can watch. Just read a book about Elizabeth York and Henry 7. Would love to see mire abd diferent perspectives.
Not really, her mother put her in a bad situation and Lizzie made the best out of it. If between Lizzie's children and Richard's children she would save, it would be her son's line. If Richard be crowned king he would need to get rid of Lizzie's children who have claim and Lancaster blood, for his children to take the throne, and Lizzie's mother was adamant about having a York on the throne. Lizzie chose to save her sons as her mother chose to save hers. Lizzie was nothing more than a pawn in her eyes.
Beautiful film ❤ I love the connect the scenes from The White Queen and The White Princess. My heart is broken, when I hear Richard's voice, when he talk to Elizabeth.
When Richard was executed and Lizzie fell in the ground, I could feel her pain and sorrow....Lizzie wanted to protect her family, not divide them, but they gave her no choice....what mother would stand against her children?
That was not Lizzie's brother Richard who was killed. It has been established that her brother died in the Tower before he turned 11. The two York brothers, Edward IV and Richard III, had a sister Margaret who married the Duke of Burgundy. During her brothers' reigns, she would visit her family and thus met her nephews. After the Yorks fell, a few of their servants/staff fled to Burgundy. Since she had influence there, she found a man born around the same time as her nephew Richard, and giving him inside information, along with the servants, pretended him to be Richard York, son of Edward IV. Keep in mind Lizzie never saw her brother once her father died, she was 17 and he was 9, so she would have no idea what he would look like at 21. He was nothing more than the son of a Flemish boat maker who got paid well to have the Duchess coach him on being her nephew.
@Hydrabell Yes, but the two York Princes went missing about 2 years before the Battle of Bosworth, where Henry Tudor, Henry VII, became King. So for two years under the reign on the York King Richard III the boys were gone as they were a threat to him and his son. Just as Richard III negated his brother's marriage, thus declaring his children illegitimate, the marriage could be reinstated and thus Richard III and his son could be bumped down for Edward IV's sons.
True & sadly she knows how the game works even if her brother promised to keep her sons safe. Pressure from the nobles& war would start again over who the king should be.
I don’t blame Lizzie for executing her brother. She had children that she needed to keep safe. Kids > brother. If she had chosen the York side, she would be betraying her children. She chose the Tudor side, and had to execute her brother.
Richard and Teddy were not only her brother and cousin respectfully but they were also her subjects. Well atleast teddy was. Henry and Elizabeth were king and queen first before they were parents. They were suppose to treat every man and women of England as there child and not just the one they bought in this world. To save there child they killed an innocent. And that is wrong.
I wholeheartedly admire and love the little swaddling of Elizabeth Woodvile @ 3.24 of her little girl ,Lizzie of York I suppose, with her charming radiant smile. So cuteee .
Bruuuuhhhhh. The feels. Oh my Oreos. I loved how you compared Elizabeth to Lizzie. But Richard had me going into tears. I don't know if it was the song or what. But this is fucking great. Edit: Like you know it's lit when there's no dislikes.
It’s sad how they had to kill family it’s great that they started a reign of women and men of Tudor & York blood Henry the 8th , Edward , Mary , Elizabeth , Mary Stuart etc. all of whom have Tudor and York blood in their veins but in the end Elizabeth or Mary could rule
He may well have been Prince Richard. We will never know. There are just too many co-incidences. In one of the Ducal palaces in Burgundy there is a room called "Prince Richard's room". Aside from that he looked almost like a clone of Edward IV. The years this young man spent in Burgundy are confusing at best and offer little support for him being an imposter. In fact, he was moved from one place to the next several times (to confuse anyone who might be looking for him?). He spoke perfect English, but spoke Dutch with an English accent. He had even been moved once so that he could learn the language! He spoke Latin, something only taught to priests or the nobility, he was musically gifted, as had been Prince Richard. In fact, there were professional musicians at Edward's court who were jealous of his abilities. He was executed as a traitor. Henry claimed he was a Dutch peasant. How could a Dutch peasant be a traitor to an English king? Last, but certainly not least, Henry Tudor had him buried near the alter in a church reserved for English nobility. This last was certainly a curious thing to have done if he believed the young man was a Dutch peasant. It is indeed a mystery.
@@debjesser4081 He was a fraud who was coached by Lizzie's aunt, The Duchess of Burgundy. He was educated by the Duchess who spent the money knowing that she knew inside information about the real Richard. Given that Lizzie never saw her brother after he was 9, how would she know what he looked like at 20. Plus the images were all in her mind as there were no pictures of him, this is the 15th century. He was highly educated because once they could drop hints that Richard escaped, and she had former York staff working for her, she went full out training a bunch of youths, born the same time, in being a pretender. She trained numerous men for the role, this one was the best and last. He was only acknowledged as Richard so his death would end the Duchesses attempt to send a replacement a year later. After that she tried sending her son as an heir.
@@sandranorman5469 When were those skeletons found? DNA testing came around 500 years later so it can never be determined. It is like the fraud in the 1920s who claimed to be Anastasia Romanov. it turned out she was a Polish factory worker whose lover was a former worker at the Winter Palace. Same here, except this fraud was being coached for years by the real Richard's aunt. It has been proven that Lizzie's aunt, the Duchess of Burgundy, had a school with numerous boys, born the same time as her nephew Richard, training them to be pretenders. She had motivation to do it as well as the means and support staff, former servants of her brothers, Edward IV and Richard III.
Jane Felix As I understand it the skeletons were found sometime in the 1640’s. We are able to tell if mummies were related to each other and they are able to tell by taking the DNA from the teeth. The Guardian of the Tower ordered the skeletons buried at Westminster. Don’t know who would be responsible for it to be done, but imagine it would have to come from Her Majesty. My personal opinion is that the skeletons are going to be related-that Elizabeth Woodville just wanted to be able to “stir the pot”.
Technically even if Perkin Warbeck wasn't Richard, Elizabeth's brothers weren't all dead her eldest half brother Thomas Grey was actually still alive as he didn't die until 1501 two years after Warbeck's execution.
In the account records of Margaret of Burgundy, Edward and Richard’s aunt, there is an account of money for the raising of “Yorkist heirs”. We know what happened to all of the Yorkist heirs but two. Edward was being treated for a very serious jaw abscess, before leaving the Tower. It may well have killed him. Richard, when he appeared throughout Europe, Ireland, and Scotland, he was believed by nearly all, including Aunty Margaret, to be young Richard of York. His knowledge of the young prince’s life was amazing, his resemblance to Edward IV overwhelming. The king of Scotland allowed Richard to marry his daughter. He was executed as Perkin Warbek but no one could say how the son of a French peasant could have acquired the manner and information of a royal prince.
Part of the silliness about Richard killing the princes was the safe positions of the sisters. If Titulus Regius were overturned (as it was by Henry VII) and the boys were proven to be dead. Elizabeth of York could have taken the crown in her own right. How did Richard overlook that? Instead, he and his niece remained close until his death.
@@kaleidoscopekayleyWomen had taken the crown before 1483. The war between Maude and Stephen showed that. No one objected to Mary or Elizabeth taking the crown.
@@kaleidoscopekayleywhere do you get the idea that the York girls had no claim on the throne? According to English law, in the absence of a male heir, a woman could become queen. When William Adelin drowned with the sinking of the White Ship, his father Henry I, made his daughter Maude, heir to his throne.
Monarch's who has Queen Elizabeth of York's blood. Henry VIII of ENGLAND - son Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland - daughter Mary Tudor, Queen of France - daughter grandchildren Mary I of ENGLAND - Henry's daughter Elizabeth I of ENGLAND - Henry's daughter Mary Stuart, Queen of SCOTLAND - Margaret's granddaughter Edward V of England - Henry's son Lady Jane Gray, The Nine Days Queen of England - Mary's daughter James VI And I of Scotland and England - Mary Stuart's son
There was much more greatness in her mother, Elizabeth Woodville in Philippa´s books i assume. Elizabeth is showed like a queen who fought just like Marguerite Beauford, until her last breath for get the crown back for her survival son Richard. I saw Lizzy too limited: she did not do spells or magic, nor did she show any resemblance to Jacqueta de Luxemburg, her grandmother or her mother on that, i think this would have made her character more misterious.
There were no spells or magic. And her son Richard, died in the towers via her brother-in-law, Richard III, so his heirs could take over. Just that Richard III died shortly after the deaths of his only son and wife, thus ending that line. With no male heirs Lizzie York was next in line, but many York nobles were not happy with an 18 year old female Queen, so they consented to allow Henry Tudor to become the next King, King Henry VII if he married Lizzie. Thus there children, though officially Tudors, were half York. Henry's mother told his of this arraignment way in advance of his invasion of England, so he would not marry. It was her husband, Thomas "Lord" Stanley who was a York noble who commanded a powerful army that stabbed Richard III, literally, in the back. It was his men who killed Richard at Bosworth, it was Stanley who took the crown from Richard's body and handed it to Henry, his step-son, and it was his men who escorted Henry's soldiers to the home of Lizzie and her family, thus the guards gave up the family without a fight.
@@janefelix3821 i know, but Philippa Gregory added to the Two Roses story a component in fictiom pretty valuable, for the lovers of historical romance, that kind of magic where the Woodville were Melusina's descendants. The ancient godess of water, for that the later York women, Elizabeth Woodville and her daughter, Lizzie of York were gifted with such Sublime beauty and powers about nature and seduction Personally i like the real history, bit without a little of legend is lacked of something. You have the documentals and books about the historical facture and the Stories based on them. It is different if you are looking for an academic material , for fun, or for both I like the mix of both A good documental of the true princes in the tower for me is so welcome like the series of TWP.
@@luna8327 He was a fraud coached by her aunt, who was the Duchess of the country were the man came from. He was nothing more than a poor man's son, paid off by a Duchess, with inside information on Lizzie's brother.
The only person I feel bad for his Margret and ducking Henry age got him stolen from her she had him at 13 she got pregnant at 12 and had this baby whom at probably idk age 17 he was taken from her she was fucked so was Henry .
Margaret had no choice by to have Henry flee England as the Yorks would have had him killed being a Lancaster and in line for the throne. Remember if all the Lancasters who had a claim where dead, then the Yorks had little to worry about.
