Elizabeth Woodville + Elizabeth of York - Was it Worth it? 

This occurred to me as well. Elizabeth 1 was Luxembourg/Woodville/March/York/Tudor/Lancaster/Beaufort/Howard/Boleyn. That’s one hell of a combination of very charismatic individuals.

Her great great great granddaughter was Mary queen of Scott's and her son James became King of Scotland and England

Elizabeth Woodville did

And what happens then if these Royal women today the ones to whom you speak of with the true royal blood that flows through these women today what should they do now? What happened to the actors that have been placed to act in there places? What happens then? History is only in the eyes of the beholder, the truth is only for those with the sight beyond the ones who think outside of the shadows.. What happens to the Royal blood line then if they speak up and act in the place of the actors??

@@coopsevy5664 what the hell are you talking about Elizabeth woodville is the mother of Elizabeth of york and Elizabeth of york the mother of Margaret queen of scots who is grandmother to mary queen of scots who his mother to james who made englad and scotland and france together and TODAY is know as the united kingdom aka british royal family so yes THERE blood goes through THE royals VIENS So again what the hell are you talking about?

I am a descendant of both Elizabeth Woodville and Elizabeth of York, via Elizabeth & Henry VII's daughter Mary. Her blood flows through my veins as much as the royals' veins, which is to say... not much at all, given how long ago it was. Still cool to think about though! I actually think about Margaret Beaufort, whose experience giving birth to her only child (later Henry VII) at age 13 was horrific and both she & he nearly died. It is extremely awful to think about what she went through, but had she not gone through that truly dreadful experience, Henry wouldn't have existed, wouldn't have married Elizabeth of York and neither I nor the royals as we know them for that matter would exist. It's crazy to think about the types of things that had to happen for every single one of us to be who we are today! Births, deaths, migrations, horrible things, incredible things, there's so much that had to happen.

​@Rosida Andriyana Sì, ma discendenti delle due Elizabeth si sono imparentati con case regnanti tedesche, quindi la stirpe Windsor discende comunque da loro...

Same! The best adapation between the three

Same! It was the most captivating, most historically accurate, and the character was the more admirable. Elizabeth of York was willingly mistress to King Richard, but Elizabeth Woodville was going to kill herself before she cheapened herself like that. And she held her hatred for the Nevilles in her heart forever. She did not allow her status and her duties to strip her of her identity. God rest her soul!

@@galwiththebraids I highly doubt Elizabeth of york was "willing" to king Richard after they highly suspected him of killing her brothers...... the only way I think she would Is if she had no other choice but cor her family to survive. King Richard made all Edward's and Elizabeth of Woodvilles children's declared illegitimate. Both Elizabeth and her mother hated King Richard.

Ah, yes, Cromwell and Warwick. Two peas in a pod who both tried to control a succession crisis in England. He failed with the Yorks and was killed in battle, and then again with the Tudors and was beheaded. Oh, the irony.

That is so true

Wow

Omg I did not notice it

It’s actually Margaret of Anjou.Look it up

I agree 😭 but i loved each though

Me 3

Same!! I thought the og Princess Elizabeth looked similar to the real historical one.

Exactly!!! especially Margaret Beaufort...But after a few episodes. I started loving the new cast! They are good in their own way!

Me too , I just couldn't get into the new one , makes me not want to watch

I'll respond from a strictly series POV as well. You have your opinion and your entitled to it but I disagree. Just looking at the series Elizabeth of York(Lizzy) was very wise. If you watch the White Princess you see right from the first episode that both her and Henry VII are having things happening to them and are made to believe it's the other ones fault, ex) Lizzy and her family being brought to the palace, Lizzy and her family thought that Henry VII ordered it and were pissed by the way "he" did it but he didnt even know and was shocked that they were at the castle when first told bc he was originally against the match bc he knew that Lizzy slept with Richard III the night before the battle and was originally trying to think of a way to get out of it but eventually realized he couldnt. Then through the first couple episodes you see them constantly butting heads, but eventually at the end of episode 3 they basically have a heart to heart conversation and realize that they both have a lot more in common then either one of them would ever like to admit and Lizzy realizes that Henry VII had a very hard life and has justifiable reasons to do what he did if she thought of everything he went through and realized how much they were both puppets for their mothers own desires. Basically they realized that it was time to make a stand and stick together and start working as a team especially for the sake of their son Arthur. And that's what Lizzy did, she made choices that were the best option for her children. Even when she talked to her supposed captured brother Richard, she had a feeling that it might actually be him But after her discussion with him it sealed his fate. Because Richard was talking like an ignorant fool telling her that if he won the throne from her husband he could easily protect her and her children, and that was basically him sealing his fate bc it showed how ignorant he was bc he promised something that he could never honestly do. Lizzy knew that it would never happen bc when her father won the throne his rule was never secure with house Lancaster and its supporters still being alive, when her husband winning the throne and ruling after all those years, the Yorkists were still causing rebellions, so she knew that if her supposed brother Richard won the th throne it was very likely possibility that he would have her children killed to secure his rule and Lizzy and let's face no mother, could ever take that risk. So every choice she made in this series was the best choice that she could make for her children to help secure their safety, and that's why I think she was in fact wise in this series. Bc any mother has to support their children as their number 1 priority and that's what Lizzy did in each if her decisions in the series.

The White Queen was far superior imho. I don't particularly think the actress that played the White Princess was bad but the writing was way too modern.

@@xtxpxhx only thing good about the white princess was michelle Fairely aka Margret and them trying to make her ugly

where did you watch it

Actually the Tudors claim wasn't through Lizzie of York the marriage between York and Lancaster (Tudor) made his claim stronger but the reason he was paranoid his entire life was he came through a n illegitimate line that was not suppose to rule but did anyway because his mother deemed it his fate and her hate for the York line when Edward iv overthrew King henry vi

Teddy :(

His mother had Lancaster blood, meaning that he did have a claim to the throne, albeit a tenuous one. His marriage to Elizabeth definitely aided his claim as it appeased the Yorkists, however Henry was careful to assert control and establish himself as the sole ruler of England. He wished to be seen as a royal individual rather than an individual married to a royal. This is evident in the fact that Henry was coronated in the August of 1485 and married in the January of 1486, which would’ve been an abnormally long waiting period and was designed to separate his marriage to Elizabeth from his claim to the throne.

@@georgiagray9716 Actually, the Beauforts who were the children of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster by his third wife and former mistress Katherine Swynford indeed had royal blood and were legitimated (by extension all of their descendants) by the duke and then by his nephew King Richard II and Pope Boniface IX but the king had them specifically barred from the line of succession to the English throne. This made the Beauforts, technically royals but cannot inherit the crown unlike the Yorks. Fun Fact: Lady Margaret Beaufort's father John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset was actually first cousin to Cecily Neville, Duchess of York (Lady Margaret's grandfather John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset and Duchess Cecily's mother Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland were siblings and children of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster)

Does it matter thought? Whoever won a war for a country is King by right of conquest. That's how some of England's Kings came from - a foreigner who invaded it and crowned himself King of England.

The white queen is the first series about Elizabeth Woodville. Then the white princess and the the Spanish princess

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Why? They both sucked.

So funny Lisa!!

@@MJ-cc4uf EoY did

Lots of reasons why she wasn't popular at the time. The best way to understand why she was not liked is to learn about the War of the Roses and Elizabeth Woodville's back ground and Edward lV. There is a good BBC documentary called the cousins war by Philippa Gregory which is interesting and goes into alot of detail about the subject.

@@davidfox974 I've seen that and I know she was from the opposite faction but in other cases these kind of marriages were used to unite former enemies. But I actually meant that I wonder, reading comments, that she is still disliked today.

@@roden70 Good im glad you have seen it. I'm not sure why she is disliked today. Maybe its because she did indeed switched factions as you pointed out which would make her a defector or traitor to some or untrustworthy. However I personally think she was securing her own future and that of her children. She was very successful for the most part as you know and had great influence and power which was rare for a woman in those times, especially if they were not from a noble family.

I would argue that a lot of it is sexism. At the time and today, the fact the Elizabeth was a scheming woman who strategically acted in the name of power (rather than always for maternal motives) makes her easier to villanize. Even today, power-hungry women are not usually characterized positively and society prefers to see women in maternal/caring roles.

The white queen nesse vídeo misturam as duas temporadas

The White Queen The White Princess The Spanish Princess

the white princess season 1 episode 1, i guess

Jesus Corner It is from “The White Queen” and “The White Princess” on STARZ

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Margaret of Anjou was considered a traitor because she wanted to rule England through her husband. It's her portrait that was burnt.

@@zoegrant1929 That was actually Elizabeth of woodville picture that they burned not Margaret of Anjou

@CrystalBerry No, it was Margaret of Anjou

@@zoegrant1929 no wrong again if you look the painting up its Elizabeth woodvile

@CrystalBerry Yes, but they're REFERRING to Margaret of Anjou, the queen before Elizabeth. They just used the wrong painting

Nope, theres jodie comer.. ;) liked her bec of white princess

Buffy Summers Netflix show The white princess

Starz show the White Queen and the White Princess. Unfortunately it is not on netflix

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Thank you for putting out the truth

And what is the proof of your theory, may it be cyroniclers of Henry VII oh so objectively writing so? lmfao

If they (meaning the Queen) decided to do DNA testing on the skeletons found under the stairs and they matched as brothers, what would happen? Perkin Warbeck would be no more. Phillipa Gregory has the theory (presented as fact) that possible murders of the princes should be Margaret Beaufort or Queen Anne (married to Richard III). We all know the difference between historical fact and fiction.

@@sandranorman5469 it has never been confirmed if it was richard tho. Alas he also let Elizabeth and the others back to court and i dont think Elizabeth woodville would have let her children near him if she thought it was richard responsible. We can't know for sure who it was but honestly richard got a lot of shit on him just because the tudors needed some propaganda. So i am highly sceptical if it was rly him since the tudors lied about many other stuff when it came to Richard

why princess pushy when girls had no choice in who they married. Its only since the late 1800's that you got to chose your partner until then parents chose and usually neither groom or bride chose

@@PaulaSB12 That didn't stop women having ambitions. She was not only pushy but also unscrupulous and her mother was even worse.

splinterbyrd she may have had ambitions but was still told who she would marry as Mary Tudor was when she married a very old king

@@PaulaSB12 Elizabeth Woodville definitely was not told whom she could marry. She actively pursued Edward IV insisting he could only have her if he married her, and the entire English aristocracy was violently opposed to it. Her equally ambitious mother the Duchess of Bedford energetically pushed her forward, and when they succeeded set about providing advantageous marriages with the nobility for Bedford's other children.

splinterbyrd Elizabeth of York was and so was Elizabeth woodville on her first marriage widows had a bit more freedom

At least Elizabeth Woodeville had ambition, Lizzie of York was pretty boring and useless except she gave birth to Henry VIII. White Princess made it look like she was going to try to help her family but then just gave up because “love”

She didn't give up because of love she understood what her mother did when she was younger and fought to keep her brothers. When you have kids that you birth are you going to kill them to save some else that claims to be your brother. She was also never boring the white princess is not entirely historical accurate. They make up some stuff to keep the audience interested otherwise you would be watching a history class movie like from high school or college. Unlike son obsessive Henry vii who only cared about getting heirs because his family line was not as close to being legitimately on the throne. Edward iv loved his first born daughter Elizabeth of York and they were legitimate line cousins to Lancaster's. Henry vii came from a line that was never suppose to rule jasper Tudor great grandfather a commoner married a kings widow

@@crystalberry748 I can't believe you're debating a bad historical fiction series.

Crystal Berry do you mean Henry VIII who had three kids two girls and then finally (after going through three wives) a boy or Henry VII (the character featured in the white princess) whose first child was a boy.

@@rachelgrubman4606 no i meant his dad Henry vii like i said he came from two ancestral royal lines his mother Margaret of Beaufort came from John of gaunt and his mistress and their children and descendant's were barred from ruling the English throne even though john of Gaunt had them legitimized. His dad came from a commoner Owen Tudor married the widow of the king making it a illegitimate line too for England. So why would you think i mean Henry viii in the white princess when he was a boy in it not a full grown adult since he never knew his mother past ten or eleven she died in child labour almost like his third wife did.