Elliot Overton on Thiamine Deficiency & LCHF - Interview with Keto Island 

I can vouch for Elliot and his knowledge on thiamine. After a consult with him I started mega dosing Thiamine and Riboflavin and after a few days it lifted me out of debilitating headaches, depression and a broken down body that could barely move. I've spent 10's of thousands on specialists chasing some relief and this champion nailed it on the first consult and in under 90 min. Can't thank him enough and I'm looking forward to working with him in the future

Elliot really is a genius. He's the ONLY nutritionist who constantly talks about thiamine (on YT I should say, Lonsdale has his blog)... and him constantly talking about thiamine is the ONLY REASON I began taking allithiamine. And I realized within 30 mins of taking benfotiamine.. my heart rate dropped so dramatically, I've always had a fast, racing heart... but for the 1st time in my life I couldn't feel my heartbeat. And immediately realized something was up. Then that same day ordered a giant bottle of allithiamine. I thought going into a food coma after eating a small bowl of rice & chicken was normal. I thought not being able to digest at least half of all my food was completely normal. That peeing 30-40 times a day was normal. I thought spending an hour every morning just taking minerals, aminos, vitamins was totally normal. I thought being depressed, anxious & tired most of my waking life... was perfectly normal. And what's crazy is thiamine hydrochloride was one of the first vitamins I bought years back. I merely went through 1 bottle, didn't notice much (other than more energy/slightly better mood) but that wasn't enough to catch my attention. Moving to the fat soluble thiamines was a totally different story. Now after 3 weeks of benfotiamine (150mg) and allithiamine (100mg) I can't even begin to explain how different I feel. Eating food no longer makes me feel like I'm eating poison. It actually gives me energy again rather than taking naps. I pee so much less. I've already had to cut my minerals as they feel so much stronger. My mood is better, my attitude, my stress coping & anxiety, my motivation... everything is slowly improving. I still have "detox days" where I feel horrible, but it was much worse weeks 1 & 2. And now I'm gonna up my allithiamine likely to 200mg a day. Elliot if you ever open up a practice by NY or NJ I would like to take my whole family to see you. Or maybe just pay you for virtual consultations because MANY in my family have these symptoms. They've paid thousands for useless treatments & I'm the only one in the family actually getting healthier now. I've noticed a lot of italians seem to be thiamine deficient because we're raised on macaroni, pasta & coffee. When I was young every other day we had pasta or macaroni for dinner and looking back now it all makes sense why I developed this problem. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE WORLD A GENUINELY BETTER PLACE YOU ARE AWESOME. And thank you for perpetuating the message of Lonsdale & Marrs in a format (YT) that can now be found by younger people who refuse to read. Thank you thank you thank you.

This man is an angel and a genius. Quite literally saving my life, I believe.

Just came across this man. What a fountain of knowledge. I am a great fan of orthomolecular medicine but didn't know how much thiamine was so important. Great info. Thanks again.

I can also vouch for Elliot and his knowledge on thiamine , he is extremely beneficial to my health he is working with me closely and the only person who digs deep and helping my brain and body . i am very unwell and without Elliot i would not make it . Please reach out for his help

my extreme pain from Fibromyalgia went at least 95% away from getting on keto diet!

Excellent discussion on the importance of Thymine. You are an excellent communicator of complex physiological processes.

I had such a long list of illnesses that escalated over 15 of more years then yes a high stress situation sent me suddenly completely down all the way. Then shingles that wouldnt go away. Doctors suspected a virus then MS but were no help. I was completely nonfunctional. High Vitamin supplements got me out of bed and eventually 95 % well. B1, D and E are at the top of my list along with probiotics and good fungi. But I took everything at some point building myself up. All the help came from utube. I got genetic tested and am homogeneous 677tt. That info helped alot. Pretty great for a 58 year old lady.

Elliot absolutely rocks the youtube nutrition world! Just love him 👏👏👏

EO is an absolute genius. Another great video 👍

These videos are priceless for anyone's health. Thank you.

I agree, the modern environment we live in probably necessitates nutritional supplementation. The liver needs much greater support in order to detoxify exposure to various pollutants e.g. pesticides. The liver is very B-vitamin hungry when performing these tasks, as lots of energy is needed for the functioning of phase 1 and 2 detoxification enzymes. It's a shame that people, even in the alternative health space seem to disregard nutritional supplements, I think perhaps it's because they are unfamiliar with functional health and it's testing.

Love the way he talks about thiamine.

Thoroughly enjoyed this interview, absolutely brilliant! Look forward to watching more and learning about this 'underrated ' vitamin. Elliot, hats off to you! Thank you.

You are very intelligent and I am going follow you from now on. I currently suffer from type 2 diabetes, bloating and very strong stinky gas, and frequent diarrhea!! As a side note you have the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen!! And I thought my wifes blue eyes were very beautiful but, not as great as yours!!!🤗✝️

Amazing information. I am on 100 mg of Allithiamine TTFD and taking nutritional yeast Non-fortified. Tomorrow i will up my B1 to 150mg. I do feel the tiredness and anxiety at times... but when i take NAC it reduces the symptoms. Thank you for your great work. I will report my progress on my RU-vid channel and explain what was happening. Im documenting everything. 🙏💯👍

Just want to say after watching one video and learning about B1, I started taking bentothiamine and my symptoms have improved 70% I would say. Seems like my metabolism is much improved. Energy is much higher, stomach pain is diminishing but not getting too excited yet. I’m not as afraid to eat anyone. Most likely was low in b1. Haven’t megadosed yet but want to try it.

Excellent podcast. Elliot you’re an earth angel. Thank you for trying to help us. Bless you. 🙏🪽🤍

I could listen to this dude all day every day. (Which I've actually done since I learned about him... 🤔😄) Love and light from Denmark, Scandinavia ❤

Thanks for pointing me in this direction. Looking forward to learning more

Thank you 🙏 can’t tell you how informative I found this.

I think this has been an issue for me at least since I was 8 - well over 50 years (I had a year of physical stressors - very strange and unusual ones, including surgery and psychological trauma - so that was the trigger year). I've been disabled for nearly 20. And what you say about weight is true for me. I've never eaten much of any sweets & junk food (don't keep it in my house and we were too poor when I was a kid). But I noticed early that my body doesn't handle carbs. When I feel better, weight falls off of me, and when I get worse, weight piles on. I'm eating more when I'm more slender (120 lbs for a 5'6" woman), but I still couldn't eat a lot of carbs, but I could eat more, and I'm not fully well even when I'm in that state. And then, something happens that sends my health into a spiral and the weight comes on and won't come off. (This has continued during disability though feeling better is measured in smaller degrees.) I know people look at me and assume I'm well fed (I'm just shy of being overweight re BMI @ 154lbs), but it's too much weight for my body, as it's mostly in my gut and my waistline is too big. Also, because I've not been well since I was 8, I haven't each hardly any processed foods in my entire life (e.g., food allergies and labels in foods showing too many additives and such). We didn't eat processed foods in my home growing up either. It annoys me that the assumption is that we heavier people are eating bad food. I've had health care professionals tell me that Fibro (one of my conditions) is because of what I eat. I could slap them upside their f'ing heads. They are not in my home; they have no clue how clean my diet is. I'm also pre-diabetic, and I have been for over 20 years, despite eating a diet most people with diabetes would be advised to eat. I did a keto like diet before it was named keto, but that only lasts for a while re energy. (And it cured the chronic diarrhea I was having.) I couldn't afford to keep up with the vitamins (loads - including high doses of Bs three times a day) and the pistachios and sunflower seeds that seemed to help. (I'd researched all of the potential nutrient deficits that I had, but I didn't write down what I did and so that was lost to time.) I didn't know what it was about what I was doing that was actually helping me, but in the end I discovered that keto alone wasn't it. (When I tried it later after developing chronic diarrhea again, it didn't solve it and after a year I fell into total disability and had diarrhea for 10 years.) So, I thought what I did was coincidental - that it was a spontaneous recovery (yet, still incomplete). That said, I knew, even suspecting that keto might be part of the issue, I needed to eat oats (some carbs in my diet) and so I have. I'm probably within the Candida guidelines re carbs because of how I've gotten used to eating even with eating my morning oats. I've looked at the SNPs related to thiamine and I have numerous mutations, particularly the TPP SNPs. I'm just now organising liposomal glutathione (have other supports in place) so I can increase my thiamine consumption. I've been taking 120mg for a while now. 100 Benfotiamine and 20mg HCL - to no benefit of course. I'd gone up to 500mg a day of Benfotiamine because I'd heard high doses help, but didn't know about the 1800mg therapeutic level, and so, I dropped back down when nothing happened, figuring that wasn't the issue. I've ordered the TTFD and TPP forms, because I suspect a genetic issue with TPP, and will begin this process soon. I have homozygous MTHFR and have finally figured out what my body needed to get folate levels up last year (magnesium in a form my body could handle... without it I couldn't have more than a crumb without serious side effects and with it, instantaneous ability to consume as much folate as I wanted). It wasn't a moment too soon as I'd developed megaloblastic anemia. I'd given up trying to find a magnesium supplement I could handle because my serum levels were normal (learned that's not a sign that they are in fact normal), but I discovered that a symptom I was having meant that I was in fact low in magnesium and then I stumbled onto magnesium glycerate.

Another superb presentation that every medical student, internist and primary care physician should watch. Would like discussion on thiamine and kidney function - have stage 4 ckd initiated by acute kidney failure from doctor-prescribed lisinopril/ibuprofen interaction. Too numerous to count adverse side effects from other pharmaceuticals, but no help for kidneys or hypertension. Many, many of the low-thiamine symptoms you have mentioned on your channel, so am going to try benfotiamine, as have already tried regular high-dose thiamine, which was instant cure for arrhythmias.

Thank you for giving props to Orthomolecular Medicine. It has gotten lost in the clamor of the diet wars. I used high dose niacin with a mentally ill loved one and it worked wonders. Thanks to Dr. Abram Hoffer. Someone who everyone here should delve into.

I would love to see a video discussing the ways in which thiamine deficiency might impact blood pressure.

Thank you Thank you Thank you! So grateful & much needed.

Liked this interview as it answered questions about me having trouble with going such low carbohydrate.

Such an intelligent young man

A problem with whole grain rice is that the lectins are high, see Dr Grundy, best to ditch carbs altogether

What a brilliant explanation!! Thank you.

For people who can't eat liver, it would be good to check their zinc levels, as they may be copper overloaded.

I am a new subscriber and so thankful for this wonderful info that you share on this channel. Can you please discuss if B1 deficiency is linked to PCOS especially since B1 has effect on diabetes. And some PCOS types have insulin resistance. Low energy is another key factor of PCOS. Would be great if could throw some light on any possible link here.

I had a real hard B1 defficiency. I was eating keto and meat- but I was drinking too much alcohol. Very bad combo.

Just found you. Loving your videos especially on thiamine. Lots of great info!

Thanks a lot to both of youuuuu!!!

So incredibly interesting. I learned so much. Thank you for your knowledge,dedication and teaching.

Excellent discussion, gentlemen. My theory on the initial bad symptoms in ramping up the B1, from my personal anecdote and opinion, is that when coming off of the Cori cycle dominance, lots of lactic acid gets freed up in the liver and other tissues causing an elevated metabolic acidosis that needs to be flushed out. I personally had high urine pH for awhile and took a half teaspoon of baking soda 2x a day away from meals and felt much better until my pH returned to normal.

I am learning so much. Thank you

Excellent. Thank you. OAT indicated I needed all the Bs, especially B12, but even after getting it up, I still had some fatigue and “bad breathing”, which I’d had for awhile (like over 15 years). Air hunger. Very tiring. I did take a bit of extra thiamine, outside the B-complex, but when I learned about high-dose thiamine for CFS, I decided to give it a go. Lo-and-behold I had better breathing than I’d had in years. I still have energy issues, though. As for the other Bs, riboflavin made me feel exhausted (maybe this is like liver making someone tired?), and niacin gave me scary ocular symptoms. It’s one giant puzzle, trying to figure it all out. I’m up to 900 mg twice a day of both benfotiamine and sulbutiamine. I wonder if I should try higher still (remaining fatigue).....

Othromelcular! Yeah! Thank you for bringing this into the discussion. I have had great success with this approach and applaud Abram Hoffer and Pauling. The argument for what is natural and what is not is well done 👍🏼 I SO agree about the “tipping point” or “point of no return”. The scenario I witnessed was prior 7 years of Veganism. (Severe deficiencies) followed by abuse of high potency marijuana ( probably for self medicating) that became the trigger to push the person right over the deg into severe schizophrenia paranoid delusional disorder. Veganism and weed: a very bad combo. On the up side. So glad I discovered orthomolecular, because High dose Niacin saved them. Is there any correlation. Between those who were doing extreme vegan for many years who had worse diarrhea when switching to Carnivore? Perhaps their enzymes have been wrecked by anti nutrients and Enzyme inhibitors?

I was in a horrible car accident because a drunk driver crashed into our car. my body went halfway through the window and I nearly died. one year later I was diagnosed as a type 1 diabetic. It was interesting to hear them saying this podcast that could have been the trigger. I just started taking benfotiamine for my diabetes. I'm not sure what's the best brand or dosage I should take. Any advice would be very much appreciated;) thx! Oh yeah I'm also eating low carb/keto and fasting 16/8 every day

Wow. Insane. I have never heard of beriberi until today. I am certain that is the insane mystery illness I had starting January of this year. It was insane rapid degeneration. I’m pretty sure I had the wet and dry beriberi all at the same time. I seriously thought I was going to die. then I learned about oxalates and it totally changed my life and the symptoms went away!

As a physician on top of all of the nutritional aspects you also have the negative effect of the drugs they are taking on depleting micronutrients i.e antacids, digoxin Ladin Hydrochlorothiazide birth control and HRT, and anti seizures like Dilantin and sonisamide... whole lot of drugs that effect various points. Other drugs also deplete other micronutrients like metfomin depletes vitamin 12

Elliot i think im not a carnivore candidate i have gout and fibromyalgia, i started my journey using benfothiamine and other supplements following your protocol and looking at all your videos, thank you for giving me hope to get better🙏🤓much appreciate you

Excellent interview and discussion. Thank you

Best explanation as to why eating WhITE RICE SUSHI after being carnivore for months, gave me an anxiety attack. Wow a double whammy on the thiamin! Alcohol blocking thiamin. Sounds like you have nailed the source of hangover. I. E. Feeling like 💩. One question: would you recommend thiamin to help with oxalate dumping?

You have helped me so much thank you 🙏🏽

Elliot. I am wondering if there are any studies on thiamine defficiency children with autism. After 14 years of struggling myself with weird neurological symptoms, thanks to you I started on Thiamine and within 2 weeks my symptoms we're gone almost completely. I have 3 children with autism and now I ask myself if my defficiency could have something to do with their condition.

I swear by B and D supplements, and getting vit C from diet. Just working out dosing is an art as much as a science.

I saw a study recently that said a component in seaweed can help inhibit calcium oxalates.

I am a big fan of Benfotamine

Is there a connection with low thiamine level causing low magnesium levels?

Such a totally gorgeous and handsome young man this Elliot Overton :-)

Love you channel Elliot, where is your fellowship in the US

thanks for all the notes

Dosage 48:00

I have a real important emergency question you said something about polyphenols and blueberries does that have anything to do with the absorption of thymine or has if I'm eating blueberries or any any fruits with polyphenol in it well that hurt me or that hurt it anyway if I take thiamine supplements or put it block the absorption it thank you

Thankyou for all your information x

VITAMIN B1 IS THE NEW VITAMIN D3!!!

Elliot can you give info on benfotiamine and progressive supranuclear palsy? I've read some good things on its effects on the brain. I need a guideline for anything that may help recovery from or even delay the progress of progressive supranuclear palsy. Thank you, I look forward to your input.

A really comprehensive fluent presentation. Excellent.

Do I need to take magnesium with my thiamine?

additionally, magnesium is a cofactor in the krebs cycle, maybe also directly involved with B1. B1 needed for taking up magnesium? and on the other side taking high doses of D3 that needs magnesium to convert into 25 hydroxy vitamin D and depletes magnesium which makes you tired. so, maybe taking magnesium + B1 is a good idea

If you dig into whole foods, potato, meat, fruit, vegetables. Their nutrient matrix is perfectly set up for the body to utilize it seems. Even cooking to a degree alters that matrix. Potatoes have high carbs but simultaneously more thiamine, manganese, potassium, etc all necessary to handle sugar. Our processing system and fortification methods are killing us because of whatever we're exchanging. You probably strip food of a lot of unknown helpful compounds doing this.

Hi Elliot, my son has global delay and is non verbal. Most of his life is taken up with tummy cramps. He's 29yrs now and I am constantly searching for an end to his pain. We have had the help of our Nutritionist who also does kinsiology since abt 7yrs and even she is baffled by not getting to help him fully still. Doctors and tests have been no help. Your videos gave widened my scope further. Our Nutritionist out me onto the oxilates videos the other day. His diet seems restrictive enough and it's been a minefield trying to get the right thing. I feel so helpless. He doesn't swallow supplements so we have to be careful what we give him as some eat thru the tooth enamel. But enzymes are always mentioned by our therapist.

Excellent video. Thanks!

Is there some kind of reason island needs to be used particularly in the title?

Am I missing something here. Can I go to the vitamin store and just load up on the vitamin B1 Which I assume is Thiamine and Riboflavin. Or are we talking shots from a nutritionist or a doctor?

Can Hypoglycemia be cause by deficiency of B1?

Thiamax, B-complex and vitamin C helpt me very well with adapting to the carnivore diet!

I agree with a lot of this.but eating just animal foods causes a whole lot of other probs. I'm someone that has severe allergies and intolerance to oxalates salycylates and lectins and life long asthma hospitalised now copd and eczema.hoping thiamax can help me. I do b complex and nutritional yeast for vit b

Elliot how do you plan on growing your body? You must be 'robust' and exceed macros and micros with sensible heavy eating where you gauge sluggishness vs feeling robust by the hour by the day. Milk and fortified GRAINS, if we want the body to be faster

in diabetics type 2 there is also the problem with the fatty liver that is overproducing glucose. but of course, if B1 can be optimized and together with low carb then blood sugar levels should get down which also lets insulin get down and then increases fat burning which resolves fatty liver

Elliot, would MSM be an issue with Methane SIBO? Would some one with Hydrogen SIBO would they always fart sulfur smell?

Is fatty liver oxidative synthesis? Does Thiamine deficiency lead to fatty liver?

I was wondering if those that cannot tolerate liver is that they are sulfur sensitive......like me.? It makes me very tired and burp egg taste when i had no eggs. Makes for body odor as well. This is only with a fairly small amount as well.

Ticking all the boxes 😳😔, thanks for the info.👍🏻

Great lecture - Thanks a lot! Please advise how to reduce lactic acid? Thanks

I think this is what makes people go mentally insane

What do the kidney stones caused by oxalatetion look like compared to other stones? The spiky stones you talked about sounds like the ones caused by uric acid and is found in gout as well.

This is brilliant

wow, B1 is important in metabolizing choline . Ive tried taking Choline many times to help with fatty liver. choline it puts me into a zombie like fatigue state all i can do is sleep when i take it.. it takes 48 hours to pull out of it. I cant take a small enough dose to eliminate the effect. Im going to try B1 to see if it helps.

Are we hampered, health wise, by an overload of iron ? and. paucity of bioavailable copper ?

Very interesting what you mentioned about folate being low on carnivore Elliot - worth megadoses, normal supplementing, or including some plant foods to get it?

Do you think Coeliacs should look into B1 deficiency too?

CONGRATULATIONS BEST JOB 👏👏👏🇧🇷👍

I’ve been using Betaine HCL for some gut issues. Could it be that I’m inadvertently causing a B-1 deficiency????

Thanks for your videos. As a result I put myself on 100mg b1 and 1000mg msm every three hours. Let’s see how it goes.

sulfite is used in dried garlic

29:45 sulfite

Doc I hope you read this years ago dentist would make remarks about my spotty tongue While in the gulf war taking several shots to combat desert life of chemical war possibilities I developed a white band on my foreskin had foreskin removed at 23 years old For year struggled with skin problems on penis Delt with it as yeast products for years finally at 50 was diagnosed with lichen sclerosis handed steroid cream and said no cure What can I do it’s almost unbearable

Can low b1 cause fear feeling anxiety

If the cells have to become saturated with very high doses of Vit B1 because of a chronic deficiency, how would i handle this when my body cannot tolerate any supplements ? Any advice or suggestions from people out there who have had similar experiences would be highly appreciated. thanks in advance

Shorter videos and getting to the point would make for better videos.

So you think thiamine is better alone vs B complex? Also, could parasites be leeching our B vitamins!?

If benfotime is asorbed in the body better than thiamine, is it a better chocie?

I used Bactrim antibiotic 4 tablets only and getting since 1 year neves issues, any idea?

Ginger for side effects

does taking high thiamine have a knockoff effect on other b vits?

Is there a B1 complex or do you recommend a products?