Before Jordan. Lebron is the goat no matter how hard ya slurp. All that slurping and not wiping your mouths after done got to ya heads. Lebrons career and statline bodies Jordan’s career easy. It’s not even close. Lebron and kobe are both better than Jordan. Top 3 best ever, Lebron Kobe Kareem. Jordan played in a crackheaded era. Jordan faced a bunch of pookys and tyron biggums. Don’t make me laugh. 😂🫵🏼😂
"Drugs was at all-time high in the 80s and 90s" - Charles Oakley highlights the issues the NBA had to face during Michael Jordan's era Modified Nov Stop playing with us you delusionals. 😂🫵🏼😂
Also 3x steals titles, 9 first team all defense, the only player ever to recorded over 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same year twice, higher PER, less turnovers while having higher usage rate. It's just comical how they've been attacking Mike and a whole era just to uplift their king.
Not to mention, Parish and Rodman were well past their prime when they played with Jordan and Kukoc is only in the Hall for his international contributions so really MJ only played with 1 Hall of Famer if you think about it
Horace Grant was not an All Star when Jordan played with him. The bottom line for me will always be that LeBron’s All Star teammates were All Stars without him and were first options on the teams they played for without LeBron. None of Jordan’s teammates were first options and certainly not first round picks expected to carry a team (Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, Davis). Jordan helped Pippen develop and once he stopped having migraines (and found his heart after four years), the Bulls never stopped until Krause stopped them.
This is patently false. In 1994 when Jordan retired, Scottie was 3rd in MVP voting while Armstrong & Grant were 1st time All Stars. Pippen very obviously fits the bill as a 1st option when in the running for MVP without Jordan. Please research before saying false narratives.
The funny part about MJ HoF teammates is: 1) Parrish only played like 5mpg for half the season in 1996-97 and a total of 9 minutes in the PO. Parish lucked into a ring that year. Lol. 2) kukoc is not a HoF based solely on his NBA career. His career outside of Chicago was not impressive. 3) George gervin only played one season with MJ. They only played 18 games together in RS only a total of 11 minutes in the playoffs. Thats all MJ had. Wade Bosh and Kyrie alone are enough to show Lebron has had way more help.
MJ the 🐐 50% clutch rating #1 6 rings (all time record) 6 finals MVP (all time record) 10 nba scoring titles 5 NBA mvp 10 all NBA first team 9 all defensive first team 14 NBA Allstar (every year except his late return year) Rookie Allstar 3 Allstar game MVP 3 NBA steals titles 1 DPOY Carrer regular season scoring average record (30.1) Career playoff scoring average (33.4) Every Lebron fan will skip this message because they know it can't be beat with Lebrons stats.
@@jacksonbrowningyt Whats your guess? No Lebron fans saw this comment Or Lebron fans saw this message and didnt respond because Lebron stats can't add up.
Kobe vs Lebum isn't a debate because as much as Lefraud wins with his so called record achievements, the Black Mamba has won five titles in the most difficult and slowest in terms of pace defensive era and was able to score 81 points with Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker as teammates and he has beaten most 50 plus win teams in route to his five titles. On top of that, they usually degrade him simply because he shot 45 percent from the field which is the field goal percentage of most shooters from that era such as Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen. The fact that he was able to pull off 81 points and have these scoring outbursts facing tremendous defense is a testament to Kobe's overall game and that puts him above the so called CHOSEN ONE. The BLACK MAMBA has a full "bag" so to speak while Leflop barely has a bag.
And if you were to ask who's the better of the two, in terms of metrics, competition, influence, cultural impact and body of work, it's very easy for me all day everyday. I do respect that guys like Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul Jabbar have noteworthy cases in the GOAT conversation but what elevates Michael from the rest of the pack is the way he globalized basketball even to counties who don't care about it is a feat in itself. That's why when people ask me who's the GOAT when it comes to basketball there can be only one and it's Michael Jeffrey Jordan. F-A-C-T-S🐐 Here's a video that further highlights that point: Why Michael Jordan is the GOAT: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jRd2NRk0P-w.htmlsi=GSeSuoikYIOYK1oh
Here's another video where Bobby Knight affirms what we knew all along. BOBBY KNIGHT explains why MICHAEL JORDAN is THE GOAT and IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1IYVkrJD7zU.htmlsi=W5NJK_hhPVmnQdYw
And this is a popular video regarding the GOAT debate. Jordan vs Lebron: The best GOAT comparison: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tl3mR6eoEa8.htmlsi=xVgm2WUYItmwOPvK
Dennis Rodman is the only All-star player that Jordan not cultivate. Before Rodman went to chicago, he is already a great defender and great rebounder whos qualify for being a all-star at the late 80s. Meanwhile, Scottie, Horace, Kerr and other chicago bulls players became a all-star players inside of chicago bulls roster. Unlike Lebron, he is the one who went to every team or recruiting a already all-star players.
Put all stats aside ! Let's do the eye test. LeBron James flat-footed, no more handling skills, one signature move drive to the basket. Michael Jordan complete player both sides of the ball. Plethora of moves. Basketball IQ off the chart.
The MVP Graphic shows same Blocks. Why did MJ get it? It should be 2-2 no????? Jordan had one more point and "barely" one more steal (0.5). To be fair.
MJ is the GOAT and it's not even very close. The media and LeBron himself are pushing the narrative that he is better, but he is far from being what he claims himself to be. LeBron fans love talking even though they have no clue how the game was played in previous eras. They think that nowadays era is harder to play in. I never heard a single argument that wasn't a bending of the facts to discredit MJ. If you are a LeBron defender, please give me a solid argument as to why he would be better, and it better not be an other "excuse".
LeBRONZE🥉🥉fans are delusional. No basketball player can be The Greatest Player of All Time if he has 8 Championship LOSSES. 6 Finals 🧹🧹& 2 Team USA🥉🥉 THAT’S THE END OF THE DISCUSSION 💯 If I want I can add in him never winning a championship without creating SUPER TEAMS, All Time in Turnovers, All Time Missed Shots soon and his so so free throw shooting including 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and his highest season from the line still being lower than MJ’s🐐lowest and him never shooting 79.0% from the line in his career. But my first point is enough. 8 Championship LOSSES is way too many to be the 🐐 FACTS💯 Especially when the guy he’s being compared to is 11-0 in championships 6🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 4🥇🥇🥇🥇 1🏆 NCAA MJ🐐💯 And Steph Curry built a DYNASTY on his back. Come on now. When did we start giving LOSING extra value? 8 championship LOSSES automatically eliminates you from the 🐐conversation. 💯
Thank you for the video. Most of my friends and family members believe the hype and think LeBron is the true King of the NBA. But they don't seem to realize the NBA has done just about everything to make sure LeBron remains in the limelight. Not taking anything away from the king's greatness, but he ain't no GOAT.
Great video only thing that’s hard to compare is the scoring titles because of the different ways of scoring. Steph Curry takes more threes a game than any team in the 90s as a whole. Otherwise great vid keep up the work.
Thanks for the video bro. How can some ppl be so dumb and blind? It’s like we live in the Upside down world. Losing is valued over winning. Finals Appearances is more valued than actually winning the Finals. No actual skill set is more valued than actually having a skill set. Worst Finals Record is more valued than a Perfect Finals Record. 21 years and only 3 Chips + a fake phony Mickey Mouse Bubble Championship is more valued than Two 3-Peats. Make it make sense. lol. MJ is the Undisputed Goat 🐐. Get over it Bron-Sexuals.
And that's why I say they need to quit comparing this man to Michael Jordan. Because the more research you do the worser it looks for LeBron. I'm just saying everything that this guy is saying people that live through this. We already knew what was going on with Michael Jordan and we watched LeBron and everybody else that has been compared to Michael Jordan and we knew it wasn't no comparison when they first brung up anybody's name at all. There is no comparison. Yeah, no comparison. All they do when they compare somebody to Michael. Jordan is ruin that guy's career. That's all they do every all. He's going to be the next Michael Jordan candidate that comes up ends up not measuring up at all. The closest we got was Kobe and that was it and he wasn't even better. He got close but not even equal or better just close
Confusing! How about if Damian Lillard gets 8 championships but he plays with Jokic, Tatum, Jalen Brown and Doncic, will he be the goat based on the # of rings he has? Guys, let us cut it off.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It is what it is!!! Nope!!! It's what fans make it!!! The debate has been over. Those that like MJ. like MJ. Those that like Bron like Bron. The only thing changing is the views of these clips!!!
Just because LeBron was around longer to lose more, doesn’t make him better. I have a lot of people of ahead LeBron. Is he a great? Yes. Is he the best? No.
Alr Ill try but me personally I think Kobe is better but i dont think a lot of other people do. I think this because Kobe is literally the closest player to MJ
The 90s were watered down. I guess kids didn't realize that the Magic, Heat, Grizzlies, Raptors, and T-Wolves were expansion teams. A lot of things happened for Jordan to get the 6-0 finals record.
The league being “watered down” has nothing to do with MJ going 6-0 in the finals. I would also like to hear why you think the league being “watered down” mattered at all in the success of the bulls. Have you actually researched this or are you just parroting what others say? Please the your reasoning for this.
@@justamessenger4577 Because the decent teams declined and then they added new teams. Dave Stern spent billions to promote Jordan. The Suns, Jazz, Sonics, Blazers were mediocre teams with ballooned won loss records because the league was weaker. I don't have to research because I watched it happen.
@@AveryBlackman So no research means you don’t really know. The first expansion was in 1988-89 then 1989-90, then again in 1995-96. 6 total teams. Here are those teams win totals each season starting in 1987-88 (the year before expansion) thru the year MJ played them in the finals: Utah: 47 51* 55* 54 55 47 53 60 55* 64 62 3 WCF from 1991-1995 and 9 straight winning seasons is hardly mediocre. Portland: 53 39*59* 63 57 Finals and WCF the two years before they played the bulls. They were not mediocre. Seattle: 44 47*41*41 47 55 63 57 64* These guys averaged 58 wins a season before they played the bulls and continued to win afterwards. Notice their increase in record did not coincide with expansion. The point is these teams did not win because of expansion. They won because they were already good and peaked when they played the bulls. “Decent teams declined when they added teams” I don’t think so. Again, win totals starting in 1987-88 as before: Lakers 1987-1990: 62 57*63* 58. Expansion did not change their success. They fell off in 1991 when Magic had to retire, had nothing to do with expansion. Detroit 1987-1990: 54 63* 59* 50. Pistons record actually improved during the expansion years but their core was already together by thena and they hit their peak. They started to fall off after expansion with the same core. Boston 1987-1992: 57 42* 52* 56 51 48 The 42 win season was when Bird only played 6 games. Otherwise with their core, they will won 50+ games until 1992 when their core split up or retired. Expansion did not cause their decline. See how research helps? You may have watched it but the data shows your statements are not correct. MJ played each of his finals opponents at the peak of their success or continuing success. And the decent teams of the time did not decline due to expansion. By the time the bulls were in their 1st 3peat, the heat and the hornets were becoming playoff teams. The heat made the playoffs 5x in 7 seasons and reached the ECF. The hornets made it 4x in 6 seasons. By the second 3peat, the magic had made the finals once and the ECF 2x. They went to the playoffs 5x in 6 seasons. So by the time the bulls started winning titles the expansion teams were getting good as well, especially during the last 3peat.
@@justamessenger4577 You didn't show the losses from the expansion teams and the declined records of the Lakers and Celtics. Like I said I watched the games in the 90s, it was trash. The Suns were down in first round to a 39-43 Lakers team.
Kareem an mj nba stats similar. Kareem played against more top 50 at position, top 50 next closest position, top 200 all time ranked nba players. Won every ring over a top 50 at position. 2 in Boston. Take the other 7 teams in playoffs of every ring yr for players reg season winning %. This all adds up to better individual, better team competition. Kareem gets called for sliding piviot 2 inches, mj gets 4 steps plus offensive push off, score basket and 1. Change rules to make easier. Magic an bird retirement, league expansion. Mj would win 1-2 max rings without Jackson. Mj verbal abuse teammates, mj trying and successful in scoring teammates wives an gf. Mj products of teammates allowed him to be him have sex with wives, not beat him baseball bat, keep it in locker room quiet, gambling on nba games. And teammates did everything else to win rings. Still not with this? How does mj comeback and win 3 peat when pippen was demanding trade. Because mj trying to hump Madonna? Jackson somehow talked peace between them and make the rings. Finally in a 1 on 1 to 100 basket, no clock, no lane violation, make it keep it Kareem over mj. Fact like 30-50 guys take mj like that. How can a goat get beat/embarrassed by 50 guys and you all call him goat?
No doubt Lebron James is a great player. But the bottom line is his fans are cherrypicking what's great from his resume. Either all of the resume count or none of it does. And if that's the case, it's all about the accolades. And if that's the case, Jordan wins.
look at this way. i played ball and watched it since late 60s. if i had to chose the career i would take. mj. i would take at least 5 other guys before lebron.
@@mekacrab how can I take you kids serious when all you do is insult people.. no facts opinions no statements no stats NOTHING!! But most of all you kids know how to do is use your feelings like programmed robots. I know basketball and I got thick skin. I can take what you Jordan Ryder fans have to say
Nope, lebron has ruined the league. Super teams, wining and complaining lead to more fouls and picky calling. Flopping. Load management started during his ‘peak’. Players playing way less. Everything about this league now is a sham compared to 90s.
I love how you have an old players like Shaq, Ben Wallace, Melo, then Past his Prime players Ray, Russ, and Dwight, and a washed DRose and say look at the HOF players he played with. Mike played with all of his in their prime. Some of the HOF Lebron played with were on their last legs. Not really a comparison.
@@jacksonbrowningytWade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD were all in their primes when Lebron teamed up with them. LeBron only won by forming superteams if we're being honest. He's never won without two prime HOFers playing alongside him.
Russ averaged a tripple double and leading the league in assists the year before going to the lakers. Thats not washed. Rodman was 35 when he went to the bulls with his scoring and rebounding on a decline. That's past Rodmans prime. None of MJ hof teammates were 1st option guys on other teams before he played with them.
@jacksonbrowningyt some people are just ignorant and think repeating false information makes it seem as they know what they are talking about. It ridiculous
You can say all you want about what he would do in today’s game but itll never be proven. He did what he did when he played basketball becoming the goat
Nba fans suck compared to NFL fans. Nfl fans didnt tear down Joe montana to elevate Tom Brady and theyre not tearing down Brady to Elevate Patrick Mahomes.
@@jacksonbrowningyt not talking about you in particular. I just notice that in NBA circles theres this incessant need to tear down one legend to elevate another even to the point of off the court scrutinization of character.
It's actually boils down to players. Montana, Brady and Mahomes clearly have more class than throwing shades at each other. Not so much when it comes to Lebron when he let out ClutchSport to smear other greats.
@@cliffordandersen3190 He literally gets way more calls than any of his opponents. When he touches someone going for a shot it's not called against him, but when someone touches him it's a foul and two free throws. The double standard is obvious. Also, do you see how much he is complaining to the refs each game ? If it was an other player doing that they would get ejected in the first quarter, but he can do it the WHOLE game (I am not joking, like 20 times a game, in the face of the ref, talking to them for 5 minutes) and doesn't even get teched ONCE. So don't say that he doesn't get calls. He gets so many calls, that half the time should be offensive fouls (using his off arm during drives). Do you expect him to get a call literally 100% of the time ? We're not that far from it, especially this year. I am not bending facts, go check what I'm talking about. You can't possibly be the GOAT when you flop for 21 seasons. I guess you're another victim of the media machine trying to praise LeBron 24/7. I understand that maybe you watched him play for a long time but try to be objective and remove yourself from the narrative HE is trying to create.
ppl put the blanket statement that mj needed pippen but dont actually look at the stats or watch the games, especially compared to the help bron has had
And I Dont Forget Leclown has 5000 Turn overs in 1400 Games while John Stockton 4100 Turn overs in 1500 Games this the Greatest comparison that Lebronze fan have.😂😂😂🤦
Jeez! You got to be kiddo minded adult to beleived that fake GOAT debate. Mike V Kobe, Mike V Lew Al, Mike V Bill Rus, MIKE are the only valid debates. Aside from that take a hike.
All I hear is MJ had the most help ever lol Next it will be Bron is better at freethrows. Not to mention traveling and flopping turnovers. He has never been better or as great as Kobe or even Pip imo.
@@jacksonbrowningyt oh he has and not even close. He is also more like Pip than MJ or Kobe. He is a pass 1st player and facilitator. He needs a shooter or scorer like Kyrie to win. Or Dwade. He is batman to their superman. And for me Pip is better. Better at running an offense without turning the ball over 5 to 10 times a game lol also attacked without traveling against way tougher defenses. He also is a much much better defender. Not even close. Ppl think I'm crazy but pip is legit better at everything than Bron. Cept he didn't take a million awful shots lol didn't flop like a pussy either lol
Lebron going to the Miami heat alone was filled with more talent than any of MJs teams. And he does flop. He’s the one that made it popular ruining basketball
Lebron would go CRYING to the refs even more than he's known for now if he had Dennis OR Scottie guarding him, making himself look like QUEEN James!!!!!!!!!!!
@@davidmolina9166 and even if he could get past those guy's without travelling he would still have to beat guys like Ewing and Hakeem at the rim. We have all seen how great Timmy did against Bron hell even Dirk outplayed his ass in the finals lol All this overhype is starting to really bug me lol LeFake James is what I'll call him from now on. And he is a fake in every way.
Who’s better?? Nr 1 4 nba chips 4 FMVP 4MVP 1 assist title 1 scoring title 5 all defensive first team Nr 2 6 chips 2 FMVP 6 mvp 1 rebound title 4 block titles 2 scoring titles 5 all defensive first team. I still can’t see why nr1 is better than nr2. Pleas help me on this one because the media will tell it differently 😂
I would rather take prime Kareem over prime Lebron (and i'm not the only one). When Lebron retires and the dust is going down, some media will surly dispute, that LBJ is even the best laker. I simetimes wonder, what Hakeem woul have done, if he had have the help that Kareem had. (big "O", Magic)
