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Enshrine or Decline: David Ortiz's case for the Hall of Fame | Outside the Lines 

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Outside the Lines looks at David Ortiz's legacy and his case for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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@Chalk0073
@Chalk0073 2 года назад
The baseball HOF obsession with numbers is absurd, I'm no Sox fan but Big Papi is the iconic Red Sox player of my lifetime, and you cannot tell history of baseball without mentioning his name, so yes a HOFer.
@iamdnice1
@iamdnice1 2 года назад
I HATE THE SOX BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU. GO YANKEES!
@jayjya
@jayjya 2 года назад
not to mention what he did for the game and the city of boston
@a.balboa7214
@a.balboa7214 2 года назад
Ortiz should never get in especially Alex and Clemens and bonds aren’t in for the reason that Ortiz also tested positive for
@jayjya
@jayjya 2 года назад
@@a.balboa7214 read more about it. That's not true. They are all very different cases
@MaNtIcHoRaOfficial
@MaNtIcHoRaOfficial День назад
@@a.balboa7214you meed to read what all that was about. All those testings during that time were under immense scrutinyand the MLB themselves said that they have no clue if all the people on that list even tested positive for roids. Not to mention HE NEVER TESTED POSITIVE AGAIN. And that testing survey was done before even played his first game with the sox. So stop it
@mannydaprofit2869
@mannydaprofit2869 2 года назад
One of the best clutch hitters in the game! 1st ballot for sure
@Matt-uk8dv
@Matt-uk8dv 2 года назад
He’s used peds lol it’s a joke bonds isn’t in but this clown is
@DastardlyDago
@DastardlyDago 2 года назад
@@Matt-uk8dv well the entire HoF is a joke if Barry isn’t in. But that doesn’t mean Papi shouldn’t be in.
@Channel-23s
@Channel-23s Год назад
@@Matt-uk8dv tbf he’s loved more in one place and wasn’t as hostile to the media and played great and won a WS down 0-3 lastly imho Bonds should be in the HOF Too but he was snubbed because he had more controversies then Ortiz and more peds is what the ones who are against bonds say
@MoTownMoe
@MoTownMoe 2 года назад
What he did to my Tigers that season… there’s no question he belongs in the HOF.
@feddonovan4861
@feddonovan4861 2 года назад
he is a hall of famer for sure ..i dont care what anyone says
@psilocybemusashi
@psilocybemusashi 2 года назад
but he's not
@BrunoJaws
@BrunoJaws 2 года назад
DAM NEAR EVERY ELITE PLAYER IN THE 2000 WAS ON THE JUICE.
@wvXvxvXvw
@wvXvxvXvw Год назад
Not Biggio, Chipper, Jeter, Griffey or Glavine.
@ashtonbain9786
@ashtonbain9786 2 года назад
Why is this even a question?
@travelingtheworld8224
@travelingtheworld8224 2 года назад
Because baseball sucks
@harukuhitoki2991
@harukuhitoki2991 2 года назад
Because he "cheated" err...took PED....errr Steroids!
@titohustles
@titohustles 2 года назад
hall of famer for sure!!!!
@albertocabrera8651
@albertocabrera8651 2 года назад
He broke the bambino curse. All time clutch player. Would be a DISGRACE if he doesn't goes in as a first ballot hof
@toboggan...mantistoboggan5848
@toboggan...mantistoboggan5848 2 года назад
This is stupid. Dude was clutch as anyone ever to play and brought bean town their first chip in forever. First ballot no question.
@FGPlus
@FGPlus 2 года назад
His 2013 postseason play should have cemented his status from then
@harukuhitoki2991
@harukuhitoki2991 2 года назад
And on the JUICE!
@plbeckman
@plbeckman 2 года назад
If you are putting Ortiz in, bonds and Clemens should go in.
@thepaulusmaximus
@thepaulusmaximus 2 года назад
2003 list was for survey purposes and is unclear at best what substance was used and whether it was banned in 2003. You cannot possibly compare that to Bonds and Clemens that actually failed tests.
@plbeckman
@plbeckman 2 года назад
@@thepaulusmaximus bonds passed the tests so did Clemens. It's all hearsay. Speculation. Bonds admitted to his trainer putting on a creame. Urine tests were passed
@thepaulusmaximus
@thepaulusmaximus 2 года назад
@@plbeckman You are correct. I misspoke but the evidence on both Bonds and Clemens are staggering. For example, do you really think Clemens trainer was injecting his wife with steroids and not him as Roger claimed? The cloud of suspicion surrounding Bonds and Clemens are justified. The only thing on Papi is the 2003 list which both the commissioner and union agree should not be held against him. But you will believe what you want to believe.
@plbeckman
@plbeckman 2 года назад
@@thepaulusmaximus well put. Very well put. 100 percent correct. Ortiz was let in. Just my opinion, but you should let in: curt schilling, bonds, Roger Clemens, arod first ballot, Scott rolen should be in and let my favorite player in: Pete rose. The hit king.
@mrsmith3869
@mrsmith3869 2 года назад
He became a hall of famer in 2004 game 5 alcs when he saved the red sox season and forced a game 6
@InvestBetter.
@InvestBetter. 2 года назад
No case needs to be made You cannot tell the history of baseball in the 21st century without mentioning Big Papi prominently Hal of Famer
@thegoodfight8316
@thegoodfight8316 2 года назад
He should walk into the HOF. I’m not a R Sox fan but this is an easy one. Dude was a murderer at the clutches of moments, on the biggest of stages. Over and over…
@robwasilewski9273
@robwasilewski9273 2 года назад
His numbers after 2003 makes him a sure in for the hall of fame.
@mrdayydayy
@mrdayydayy 2 года назад
This is a dumb video. This man deserves to be in HOF Sincerely, A Marlins fan
@3minutesNoGimmicks
@3minutesNoGimmicks 2 года назад
Decline is not even an option and im a diehard yankees fan , Ortiz is a legend he deserves it
@100shaunnor
@100shaunnor 2 года назад
Papi is a NO DOUBT HOF
@starz1779
@starz1779 2 года назад
My guy Big Papi def need to be in HOF !! LFGO
@tubenachos
@tubenachos 2 года назад
Schilling should be in.
@robwasilewski9273
@robwasilewski9273 Год назад
Truly first ballot hall of fame
@Rrw98
@Rrw98 2 года назад
This should not even be debate
@metemano88
@metemano88 2 года назад
Bruh is this even a question? I’ll go to Boston and protest! He def deserves the HOF easily
@jamesdime6865
@jamesdime6865 2 года назад
An iconic player who is liked by the fans and media (not just Boston media and fans) so I think his popularity will get him in. However, he was linked to roids in the past and while he may not have tested positive at all since that initial report. If he gets in then it should open the door for others.
@DCampusano1
@DCampusano1 Год назад
Disagree. I think Ortiz is a special case that can be bypassed. He spoke to the media and denied ever using it and he never once tested positive after that. Other players that were caught in PED scandals were way more controversial than him (i.e. A-Rod, Bonds, etc.)
@destinationfer2
@destinationfer2 2 года назад
As soon as i read the title of the video.. I was like.. Are these people on crack??.. That was a serious contemplation too...
@StephenHSmith-mn4iq
@StephenHSmith-mn4iq 2 года назад
youre a different typa special if you say no
@2TrillSenna
@2TrillSenna 2 года назад
David Ortiz tested positive for steroids, if he gets in Alex Rodriguez gets in.
@AlexRodriguez-ue1xc
@AlexRodriguez-ue1xc 2 года назад
Sammy sosa
@Harlantown
@Harlantown 2 года назад
BONDS
@jamestillman9810
@jamestillman9810 2 года назад
Clemens
@osonhouston
@osonhouston 2 года назад
Yes to them all.
@GregGumbel
@GregGumbel 2 года назад
@@osonhouston this is the correct answer. Bonds not being in proves Baseball writers should be drawn and quartered.
@lookfeelbehealthy6320
@lookfeelbehealthy6320 2 года назад
Enshrine. No doubt!
@Maulleygxxx
@Maulleygxxx 2 года назад
No brainer for Big Papi
@liangeboball3776
@liangeboball3776 2 года назад
Can’t let Big Papi in if you don’t let other PED guys in
@raeedbrown8532
@raeedbrown8532 2 года назад
If big papi dont make hof its a glitch in the matrix
@JERMAINE650
@JERMAINE650 2 года назад
Big papi is a Hall of Famer, facts
@lionstigersbearsohmyanimal6741
@lionstigersbearsohmyanimal6741 2 года назад
Can’t tell baseball history with big papi
@timw8646
@timw8646 2 года назад
im not a fan of david ortize nor a fan of the red sox but if harold baines is a hof, then this guy is definitely a hof dh or not. it is very easy to decide a hof or not because there is no debate. 100% of fans with a brain will say david ortiz is a hof.
@hungryshark3463
@hungryshark3463 2 года назад
Sage looking hella fine
@familyfirst3746
@familyfirst3746 2 года назад
This is why nobody likes baseball anymore
@jennifersalva3573
@jennifersalva3573 2 года назад
Exactly after what they did to Barry bonds I stopped watching baseball...
@Freeslime1996
@Freeslime1996 2 года назад
If he ain’t a HOF I don’t know who is
@FYLife
@FYLife 2 года назад
What? How is he not HOF?
@draneym2003
@draneym2003 2 года назад
Any voter who elects Ortiz needs to explain themselves why they're perfectly happy to wreck every other guy's candidacy from that era
@GregGumbel
@GregGumbel 2 года назад
Baseball writers need to be liquidated. This is not a serious question.
@agentcodybanx8909
@agentcodybanx8909 2 года назад
Give me a reason why he shouldn't be a HOFer
@Harlantown
@Harlantown 2 года назад
BONDS WAS 10 times better and he didn’t get in due to RIODS HGH
@mjdelnorte685
@mjdelnorte685 Год назад
There is no controversy just great players that's it if you got Cap Anson & Rogers Hornsby in there well than there is no controversy here.
@marcoortiz8046
@marcoortiz8046 2 года назад
No Manny, No Big Pappi. No Curt Schilling, No Big Pappi. No Barry, No Big Pappi. No Clemens, No Big Pappi. Ya'll chose the money over the Hall.
@pizzathehut1674
@pizzathehut1674 2 года назад
Hypocrites, no steroid users or cheaters allowed but the same voters put a user in as a primary dh for his career. Let mike trout or Harper only focus on batting and see their stats elevated too without peds while lying about it. Reject Manny Ramirez but allow Oscar the Grouch
@alanacevedo4928
@alanacevedo4928 2 года назад
1st Ballot!!!
@jsoto8229
@jsoto8229 2 года назад
If Ortiz gets in and A-Rod doesn’t you’ll see the clear media bias. They were on the SAME test in 2003. Ortiz def roided and so did Rodriguez. If you’re gonna make an exception for one then you have to include the other. Of course that won’t happen tho.
@gabrieltorres7596
@gabrieltorres7596 2 года назад
True but if they were to do a but they won't a public vote who is more beloved because most media love the guy, has charisma for days, Big Papi would win by a landslide and tbh I don't think even most hardcore Yankee fans probably won't vote for A-Rod even if he did helped bring a title. I still don't get why they haven't told what he tested positive for or why he failed, we know about everyone else except Papi, what are they hiding 19 years later? Give the man some closure at least 🤷🏿‍♂️
@ivanlora3350
@ivanlora3350 2 года назад
Besides been on the 2003 list ( which includes non banned substance like they said on the video)A-rod tested positive two more times and got suspended Ortiz never tested positive. So do your homework
@willt8848
@willt8848 2 года назад
@@ivanlora3350 A Rod never tested positive for ped. He only failed the same test Ortiz did. Bonds also never failed a test.
@jsoto8229
@jsoto8229 2 года назад
@@ivanlora3350 how bout you do YOUR homework cause A-Rod never tested positive once! His name was leaked on the same list as Ortiz and his name was found on the biogenesis log and started that whole scandal. Never once did he fail a test. Everyone hates A-Rod but if you vote for Ortiz and not A-Rod you’re a hypocrite. Ortiz never even gave an excuse to why he tested positive. He just says idk I never did anything. Sounds like playing dumb to me
@ivanlora3350
@ivanlora3350 2 года назад
@@jsoto8229 lol Arod never tested positive but he admitted peds usage for the amount of proves and witnesses resulting in a 162 games suspension besides doing it after it was prohibited on MLB (after the 2004 season) bottom line both were great players but on peds they are not on the same boat.
@metemano88
@metemano88 2 года назад
The world gon react if he don’t make it just because bro everyone know his name! Everyone even kids, I know kids I play basketball with at the park and ask me about my cousin and i be like “how you know about David you too young to know!” Lol but they know
@rickster1217
@rickster1217 2 года назад
Biiig Dominican Lunch. We had mofongo..
@chrisrunyon2372
@chrisrunyon2372 2 года назад
There is no way he should be in before bonds period
@TonyorIzzyCommenting
@TonyorIzzyCommenting 2 года назад
Enshrine. No question.
@rdhd99
@rdhd99 2 года назад
Big Juicy
@GeorgeYoung-uh5by
@GeorgeYoung-uh5by 9 месяцев назад
Ozzie Smith is in Hall of Fame. 28 homeruns in 19 years! Yes 28 in 19 years. 260 average. 4 years he had 0 hrs. Yes 0 and he is in Hall of Fame because of his defense Fred McGriff 490 hrs not in! This what the hall of Fame is.
@kalibaking877
@kalibaking877 2 года назад
HOF NO DOUBT
@michaelweston2285
@michaelweston2285 11 месяцев назад
love Ortiz. i was a huge Sox fan from the time Johnny Damon joined until Pedroia retired. that group was so amazing to watch. but to elect this *proven* PEDs user, while denying the other PEDs users, the MLB HOF voting process lost all credibility. all of it. you either take PEDs completely out of the equation when voting, and elect all suspected users in, or you elect none of them.
@neneshubby
@neneshubby 2 года назад
Not a Sox fan but I want to believe Ortiz, oh how I want to believe Ortiz but so many big names have insisted for years that “I never took PED’s” and then we find out different. There’s no sense in going over the names but we’ve seen it before. Mediocre athlete suddenly becomes Superman or Superwoman seemingly overnight.
@TRIMARTheatres
@TRIMARTheatres 2 года назад
HOFer. No doubt about it
@mrrational2046
@mrrational2046 2 года назад
Hall of gamer BUT BE CONSISTENT he failed a drug test in 2003
@PatchMcNasty
@PatchMcNasty 2 года назад
He is and will be a hall of famer it's so idiotic to even discuss this. Trash topic ESPN...
@Goparescum
@Goparescum Год назад
What do you mean case? First ballot no question about it
@BobSmith-said
@BobSmith-said 9 месяцев назад
How tf do u have a hall of fame voter who doesn’t speak English
@BobSmith-said
@BobSmith-said 9 месяцев назад
How did he test positive if it wasn’t a banned substance? It’s clear he did something he was terrible in Minnesota I’ve been saying it for years
@mlb_zity1276
@mlb_zity1276 2 года назад
Baseball HOF is out of control, really really!!! Big pap not a HOF????
@Harlantown
@Harlantown 2 года назад
NO BONDS NO PAPI SORRY. BONDS WAS THE BEST EVER SO NAH But THE MEDIA LIKED ORTIZ NOT BONDS SO THEY MIGHT PUT HIM IN AS A DH OVER BONDS…WHAT A JOKE
@lloydbonafide3398
@lloydbonafide3398 2 года назад
Hold this L Bills fan. Bills lose and ortiz gets in lololololoooo
@luisorozco8583
@luisorozco8583 2 года назад
Lmao
@jeremybilly2376
@jeremybilly2376 2 года назад
Steroids no deal
@Harlantown
@Harlantown 2 года назад
ORTIZ LIED HE KNOWS HE TOOK THEM I HAVE WAY MORE RESPECT FOR THE GUYS WHO ADMIT IT.
@colonelforbin73
@colonelforbin73 2 года назад
Null and void for ALL CAPS
@Harlantown
@Harlantown 2 года назад
@@colonelforbin73 YOUR MOM LOVES CAPS NOW GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!
@GregGumbel
@GregGumbel 2 года назад
So?
@ajaded1
@ajaded1 2 года назад
13 seconds
@trevorsylvester214
@trevorsylvester214 2 года назад
Dude if he's not voted in... the baseball hof is a joke.
@nathankunkel4761
@nathankunkel4761 2 года назад
Enshrine
@johnathonhiner3015
@johnathonhiner3015 2 года назад
Juiced to the Gills and gets in on his first try.....no Bonds....no Roger.....no credibility.
@peterflagle5446
@peterflagle5446 2 года назад
DH's never make first ballot
@hopehope5406
@hopehope5406 2 года назад
Bad loss
@horse-4598
@horse-4598 5 месяцев назад
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
@fliplife67
@fliplife67 2 года назад
We know numbers say he's a HOF but I really do hope he didn't cheat the game and MLB cover it.
@jmunj
@jmunj 2 года назад
He was juicing
@Mike-pw6el
@Mike-pw6el 2 года назад
i like ortiz but how do you deny clemens and bonds but let him in 1st ballot. piazza didnt get in for a bit due to rumors ortiz actually failed a test the writers are hypocrites
@alexisguerra6034
@alexisguerra6034 2 года назад
Steroids=no hall of fame Im a big yankee fan if he gets in Arod is getting in no questions asked then...
@luisorozco8583
@luisorozco8583 2 года назад
Lmao he got in
@jayjya
@jayjya 2 года назад
where do we draw the line? mantle used PEDs. ted williams did. where is the line?
@arytaco5380
@arytaco5380 2 года назад
Source?
@hillaryilinsky1009
@hillaryilinsky1009 2 года назад
red sox cheat. ortiz was juiced.
@MrNaturalSez
@MrNaturalSez 2 года назад
Designated hitters do not belong in the Hall of Fame. You have to get a glove and play defense, play the entire game. They're designated hitters because they are defensive liabilities.
@hjfhgjcyuj
@hjfhgjcyuj 2 года назад
So american league pitchers dont belong because they dont hit? Hold this L 🤡
@GregGumbel
@GregGumbel 2 года назад
Ok Gramps, don't forget to DVR Gunsmoke tonight.
@pickzkickz
@pickzkickz 2 года назад
@@hjfhgjcyuj National league pitchers would never get in either, all terrible offensively. It doesn't pertain to pitchers.
@mass-terminds2009
@mass-terminds2009 2 года назад
He played 1st base whenever the Sox played against a national league team. He could field he just was better served as a DH how is that his fault lol
@jrgomez2283
@jrgomez2283 2 года назад
@@hjfhgjcyuj stupid comparison they don't judge pitchers on their hitting percentage 🤡😂
@mikekupidlowski1514
@mikekupidlowski1514 2 года назад
Not a hall of famer he sucked on Minnesota got to Boston was juicing and got good come on if Bonds and Clemens don't get in Ortiz doesn't belong in the hall
@FuzzyStayBuzzin183
@FuzzyStayBuzzin183 2 года назад
Him and Manny was taking that Dominican stuff
@mannydaprofit2869
@mannydaprofit2869 2 года назад
Shut up a positive test was never found it was all speculation they never proved it
@mannydaprofit2869
@mannydaprofit2869 2 года назад
Bonds deserves to go in so does Clemens
@mikekupidlowski1514
@mikekupidlowski1514 2 года назад
@@mannydaprofit2869 🤣🤣 stop please stop he sucked in Minnesota then he bacame good Bonds never tested positive either Ortiz definitely juiced
@mikekupidlowski1514
@mikekupidlowski1514 2 года назад
@@mannydaprofit2869 they do Ortiz does too but if Bonds and Clemens don't get in Ortiz doesn't get in either you can't tell me Ortiz didn't juice he sucked for more than a couple of years in Minnesota you don't go from that to where he went sorry
@harukuhitoki2991
@harukuhitoki2991 2 года назад
What garbage! HOF is a JOKE!
@wvXvxvXvw
@wvXvxvXvw Год назад
Absolutely not a 1st ballot HOF. Not really an HOF at all. He was detrimental when he played the field. That means he cost more runs with his glove than he provided with his bat. His average isn't great. He doesn't have 3k hits despite his ONLY job being hitting. He has the lowest WAR of all 1st ballot-ers of all time. If the post season is the only thing that he's inducted for, Andruw Jones would be a 1st ballot HOF. And on top of all of that, he was busted for PEDs. He's no different than Barry Bonds except Bonds was twice as good of a player. For someone who was a DH to be in the HOF they need 3,000 hits, a .300 average and 1800 RBI. Ortiz has none of that. I would even argue that a DH needs 500+ homers, the only thing that Ortiz did have.
@Channel-23s
@Channel-23s Год назад
Good points but missed somethings that allow him in aka eye test and value to his team and culture as for postseason it’s on if he had a good amount of effect winning multiple WS and coming back 0-3 he might not have alotta hits but HRs he’s got a good amount which got him in his public image still good bonds and others should be in tho
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