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No. Every ESO player needs to know this. All of these content creators are given cheats to allow them to do the things they can do. They didn't earn any of the items they have legitimately. I know because I used to get the same cheats. Those dungeons are much easier if you can pick all the best stuff from a little magic bag. If you know someone is a content creator walk away. Do not engage them in any way because they will screw you over if they can. They are not your friends.

Coming from ffxiv this is a problem with how ESO is structured. In ESO you never know when there is a new player doing the dungeon for the first time who may want to see the story of the dungeon. And in ESO part of the story occurs while you are fighting in the dungeon. In ffxiv, when you load into an old dungeon with a new player, there are icons above the new player's head to indicate that they're new. There is a cutscene before the dungeon starts, and a cutscene before the final boss. Standard practice is to wait for the newbie to finish their cutscenes, which are like 30 seconds. And the veterans are compensated in extra gold and XP.

No expectations goes both ways. You shouldn’t just expect your group is doing a speed run. Text chat exists for a reason. Use it to communicate. End of the day if you can’t play well with others, don’t play an MMO. He does absolutely sound entitled bc people asked him to slow down and he just refused. Sometimes you’re also grouped with new players that want to experience the dungeon for the first time. Speed runs are fine but again this is a social game. Can’t play with others, go play a solo game.

The issue is not "entitlement" as much as it is the root cause of being "self centered". While it is true that people should not enter a public queue with expectations, it is equally true that people should not enter a public queue expecting that they can simply do whatever they want. Each participant may need to adjust accordingly, so it is important to understand both of those concepts.

I wish ESO would just have a story mode dungeon so I can read the story. It's no fun when you get into a new dungeon and people just run through it.

What I find even more crazy is how many people have no clue what entitlement means 😂😂

I had a guy run ahead of the entire group and kill the final boss in the dungeon during the Undaunted Event. They were far enough away that no one else in the group got the event box.

The problem is people dont let people figure out whats going on. I ran a dungeon like 10 times before i knew anything that was happening. People do just speed run these and its not really enjoyable.

Nah, this I disagree and I'll tell you why: It's a coop activity. I'm pretty much always ok with rushing personally, but I get people who aren't. People getting screwed out of doing quests, fake tanks making an easy dungeon hard for everyone else (especially the healer), etc. is just trash behavior. There is a social contract, it's you do the job you sign up for and you work as a group. Period. You not wanting to wait is too damn bad, you not wanting to tank/heal is too damn bad. Go solo the dungeon then. Daily random transmutes is a lame excuse to be an arsehole. I don't care what your excuse is, the people you're playing with are PEOPLE! You owe them some basic courtesy. That's not being entitled. That's being a well adjusted adult. The one thing I do agree with is that the transmute reward for daily random incentivizes this. I totally agree that the game should allow people to solo random and that this would resolve the issue. The system is what it is though and using it as an excuse to be a selfish jerk is lame. Ok, I did the taboo, I disagreed. Come at me with your excuses for why spending 2 extra minutes of your day is too much to ask to be decent to another human being.

I think it's Ok to have the expectation that the healer will heal me and the tank will taunt the bosses.

The video you are watching does seem to be a player complaining that other players are selfish because they won't let him be selfish? Talk about self centered lol.

I think experienced long term ESO players need to realize is that these random normal runs are filled with newer players. These players will eventually fill your trial runs, so it doesn't hurt to give back and take your time to develop them.

I rushed a lot in the past, sometimes got booted out of the group for that, in the end, the kick, cooldown und requeue take much more time than waiting 1-5 min. for a slow group to keep up.

If someone says, "Hey, I'm on the quest," and another player runs ahead of the group anyway, yeah, the player running ahead is the asshole. Because that almost always bugs the quest and keeps the player who is trying to finish it from completing the quest. In that case, asking someone to slow down isn't griefing, it's asking them to pay attention to the communication in the damn chat box. However, as long as people aren't going so far ahead that people are getting locked out of boss loot and aren't aggroing trash mobs but then leaving them for the rest of the group to fight while they rush to bosses/the end, and aren't bugging the quest for someone...have at it. Say things like, "on quest, please stop so I can wait for NPC's" or "can we speed run" or the like, and it'll solve 90% of the problems people have in PUG dungeon runs. Communication, it's like people are afraid to do it...

I think your perspective is valid, but also colored by your experience level. Put yourself in the mindset of someone who has just started playing. You queue for a random 4-man dungeon. You have to choose a particular role, you probably expect to have 4 people working together to complete it. When one person starts running ahead killing everything (or not), you might be confused or at least think, “wtf is going on? Am I supposed to keep up? Should I talk to this npc about the quest?” So, while it might be a casual players “entitlement,” it could also be just not understanding what has now become a regular practice in random normals.

Sometimes it is that person’s first time in that dungeon. Meaning they are on a quest to get a skill point. Some of the older dungeons you have to kill all bosses to get said skill point. And in like BC1 you have to wait on a cutscene that you can’t skip. So now if you had to wait on that long cutscene and you killed the boss. Then they can no longer get that said skill point. So maybe that is why someone might ask you to slow down a bit. Eso maybe should make cutscenes be able to skip. I myself always ask in anyone questing. So then I make sure to be respectful and wait so that they can get what they need to. It’s sometimes take a little respect to understand that some people have just started eso that day maybe.

I think what is being overlooked here is consideration for others. Not their expectations or your expectations. No one expects anything from anyone else but its just the nice thing to do to slow down if someone asks, he could have asked nicer but why would you expect him to? hahaha. saying oh, I have to go fast because transmutes or whatever, thats an excuse. Thats an excuse for mildly shitty behavior and not considering other people wishes. It a GROUP dungeon. Let me give an example. Halo, say you are playing halo and you teamkill by throwing grenades whenever you see an enemy, or just firing blindly whenever theres a bad guy. Well thats how you wanna play and no one can expect anything from you so, hey sucks to be the other guy huh? but no one can blame you and theres nothing to be mad about, because you shouldnt expect anything from anyone... so you're carrying your team and you win but you are also killing your own dudes and being an asshole. sounds fun?

My only gripe is when people rush and bug out the quest, tho thats only cuz ZOS has left a lotta the old dungeons without an update to fix that

The word you are looking for is ‘expectation’ or ‘optimism’. People expect that the ‘demigods’ who join them in a random dungeon will not behave like a smug rich plantation owner, i.e. just use their existence for their own benefit without any recompense. You want your 10 transmutes and eff the other three players. That is a really sad attitude, exploitation, and supreme bad manners.

I think there is a huge disconnect between vet players and new players. If you've been playing a long time you should have guildies and friends. New players may not have either of these. They can only play pubs. He stated played it a thousand times but it may have been the newbies first time.

So many of us would que for random daily normal solo if we could.

If i go into a run and say politely as soon as we start that I need do the quest, i skip through the dialogue as fast as possible, but if someone rushes ahead anyway and bugs the quest I’m there for, they are not entitled to any of my time. I will leave immediately upon my quest being bugged by rushers without hesitation. If someone can’t show me that simple common courtesy idgaf about their transmutes. If someone else needs the quest and I don’t, i will wait for them even if i find it annoying because i’m not a dick.

If you can't have expectations of other players, then you can't expect anyone to be waiting for you in the dungeon. But you also can't expect your group to like it if you run through it like he does in the video. The players asked nicely if he could run slower. There's nothing wrong with that. That's not an expectation. It's a question that immediately got Nessaiga upset. He accuses the players of being self-centered but actually he's just being selfish towards his teammates. These players have only one expectation. They expect social behavior and loyalty to the group. There's nothing wrong with that. That's a normal human expectation of interpersonal interaction. I don't know what's wrong with the dungeon taking you a few seconds longer. I just know it sucks when you're running through an empty dungeon because a teammate is running ahead the whole time. If I were a beginner, I would also leave the group because this dungeon run would be pointless for me. Just don't be toxic to each other and that includes not uploading a video that only accuses and shows off other players. Personally, I don't have any expectations of other players, but I also don't think it's a bad thing if other players expect a minimum of social consideration in an MMO. If you have any expectations of other players' skills, high speed, or if you want to unlock achievements, then don't play with randoms.

I see both sides of this, I see many people run past optional bosses end the dungeon while new players were trying to farm gear but most times it's not that big a deal. I honestly think more communication would be best so everyone can be happy.

To me, i see you guys as the self entitled one.. focusing on himself.. IS self entitlement.. and the fact that YOU say.. "just go! Im not talking to you" that puts you right there with him.. I'm disappointed..

This will always be a problem with older mmos and the culture of gaming today. Rush rush rush go go go, gimmie my reward for as little investment possible. Its like people dont even enjoy actually playing games anymore for the immersion or experience. No respect for others. People justify shitty behavior, its just game.... theres another person on the other side of the screen tho. Dont treat people in a way you wouldnt appreciate.

Funny... Because end-game players then turn around and say "why aren't people doing trials or vet DLC dungeons?!?" It is because when they are introduced to dungeons (normal randoms) you either run into someone that is speed running and 1 shoting everything... Which to the other players is boring as fuck... Or you run into a group that fights 60% of the time. After seeing that... What motivation is there to go to the next step? Also if you want an example of this happening in other MMOs, look up any case of dungeons in SWTOR and someone bitching because they are not skipping the cutscenes or skipping the dialogue

This also never happens in any other video game only ESO.

I WISH ESO would have an option to queue by yourself for the daily undaunted transmutes. I know this would cause group play to go down but honestly there's no group when pugging. I would love to just solo it tbh

I 1000% guarantee that if speed rushers could be forced to slow down by their team mates they'd get real mad. The problem is these rushers assume everyone has exactly the same motivation for being there as they do but not everyone does. Some people actually want to have a bit of fun in dungeons (what a crime) and sitting there watching someone run ahead and kill everything is NOT fun.

I think if you intentionally queue as tank or healer, you should be expected to hold at least the very basic functions of those roles. You checked the role, so do it. I queue as tank or healer all the time for normal dungeons when farming sets, and tossing a taunt or a healing skill on your otherwise dps bar is not a massive sacrifice.

I love these videos from you lmao i havent played this game in nearly 2 years because i wasnt i enjoying it anymore, its funny to see people on this game are still the same

One my my biggest annoyances in ESO. People queuing for the wrong role and players running ahead. If you queue as a tank. Be a tank. If you queue as a healer. Be a healer. And for the love of all the gods. Do not sit in the back with a bow light attacking. And I know people will just say, queue with your friends if you don’t like how the public queue systems works which is dumb because the same argument could be made to the ones queuing as the wrong role and running ahead. I get that after years of doing the same dungeons over and over folks just want to get in and get out. But the dungeons can be done just as quickly if the group rolls together and those other players might learn something along the way. Hell, you might even gain a new guild member.

I barely do group PvE (I find it tedious), so this has been a fascinating discussion. One thing I will say though is as someone who is OCD about picking up every single bit of loot, I would probably be the type of person who is slightly behind everyone else. That is probably what most of the 'slow' people do to be fair and what the cooperative people who were slightly behind Nessaiga were probably doing. I personally wouldn't really have an issue with someone going ahead like Ness as long as I could loot bosses and get credit for the Skill Point and Quests (although based on comments I've seen that's generally not too much of a problem so that's good to know). After all, someone running ahead and doing most of the DPS means less work for me haha (I fucking HATE endlessly having to kill trash mobs so much ughhh)! But anyway, I have so many Mythic leads to farm in dungeons that I've been putting it off doing. Sigh... So hopefully when I finally do start farming them, I will run into nice players like Ness who do a lot of DPS on trash mobs for me and make the experience go faster haha!

In the context of the video, Arx Corinium has an annoying task on the beach in order to complete the skill point quest. If the reason why they were mad he's running ahead is because they missed progress, then I can understand the issue. Only some dungeons are like this, and it's really annoying.

My expectations are very low for PUGs.

If only there was an in game tool that allowed you to form a group with like minded players…

The issue I have is people just run past everything then spend 5 minutes trying to lose aggro to get through a door to proceed in the dungeon.

I lived under a rock for a few years and came back to this. I got myself playing ESO again and so far I haven't seen something like this but a few tanks insta quitting whenever they die once.

By doing that you don't give the people who may be looking for chests to farm armor and weapons. Obviously he doesn't need them, so do the dungeon by yourself.

There is 4 people in the group, 3 are together and in no way running slow but in a way where they loot everything including the adds he is ignoring and doesnt even wait to see if they die or not. Surprise, they dont die if he just throws caltrops at them and second later throws the caltrops elsewhere, he is just pulling them, thats all he is doing, the people behind him have to kill them. Else they would get stuck "at the door because they didnt kill the crocodile". He almost kills the bosses before they even have time to touch them. If you are alone and other 3 people run behind you, you are the entitled and selfish person that runs forth and ignores the majority. Maybe they needed to do the quest, maybe they wanted to loot chests. Either way he ran through too fast. The person politely asked him if he could slow down and he ignored and dismissed it. Plain and simple. And no, I am not the "slow" person in the dungeon. Most of the time when I queue up for normal dungeon I end up with low level players, I dont run ahead starting boss fights without them, its called being respectful to other players that try to do stuff. I adjust my pace to them, if they need an assistant I summon an assistant. If I end up with people that I see are obviously experianced and go fast I keep up with them. But there is always that one guy that runs through throws down aoes for one second and keeps running and putting those aoes elsewhere. Thats not fun, that is annoying for everyone else in the group.

I do the opposite, I put expectations on myself that are not there. :D I remember as a newbie with no speed buffs feeling like I am letting my team down by not being able to keep up with them. I did not understand how those players don't care and most of them don't think about anything other than finishing the dungeon as fast as they can. I got stuck in Fungal Grotto not understanding how they got to the last boss because I was so far behind that I didn't see them jumping in the water, and I ended up leaving, because I thought they all probably hated me. :D

My expectations in playing a online co op game that has classes would be that people who choose to agree to play in that system then play it as a co op game and people to play the classes they choose to queue as. They knew the format they agreeded to it when queuing for it so if they then say nah bro I'm not really a tank and I'm going on a speed run lol you're the problem not the players who choose to play it as it was intended. Change my mind

I'll tell why it bothers when ppl go ahead of the group: * most dungeon quest gets ruined. IE: Direfrost keep quest... * if there's low lvl ppl trying to lvl up, they won't get as much xp due to being far from the kill * the all overall dungeon experience its ruined, specially if you are a new player on the game and someone rushes it out. Dialogues, animations, etc...

only reason I can agree is when player want to go through the dungeon story but either can't solo it due to mech or dont have friends or anyone willing to wait to go through all conversations I have maybe only gone through the conversation of like 4 dungeons since I started, everyone just speedruns it and pull me into the boss fight before I could go through all dialogues Or berate me for holding back the group (I play tank)

Random normal dungeons 10 transmutes, random vet transmutes should be 20. In that way, veteran players would go for Random Vet dungeons. I see that's a good fix, the queue time would be interesting to know. As a PC NA player, I mainly have alt tanks and healers for the purpose of queuing quicker for farming transmutes.

The only slight exception to this are new players playing the game for the first time. Unfortunately the game makes it very hard to identify them.

dude is wrong . they asked him to hold up.

I do speedrun dungeon but kill everything, what i hate from the bottom of my soul are cp 600 running past everything and then be stuck in front of a stupid door that wont open for 5min and not coming back to kill ads and the mess they made

We run rnd normals in our trial guild in the mornings. Everyone knows everyone… sometimes we run with 4 dps and know what we have to do. It is all about 10 transmutes. If someone is looking for a skill point, the only expectation is to let the group know at the beginning

agreed don't have any expectations when you ate playing with random people are all at different skill and levels

literally if i could do random normals solo I would. I wish I could

The problem with running ahead when it comes to other people is those, who need to do the dungeon quest. You need to wait for npc's to finish dialogue so that the quest can continue. If you get teleported to the boss room before finishing the dialogue, you skip that part of the quest and cannot finish it. (Special annoying bonus is Crypt of hearths, where one boss is optional for finishing the dungeon, but mandatory for finishing the quest) That sucks. As a new player you probably don't have group of friends that can run it slower with you and wait for the dialogue, you also aren't strong enough to solo it and go your own pace. So we are stuck in this system. The best we can do is ask your group, or tell the group, who (if anyone) needs to go slower and talk to npcs.

If they changed how transmutes are distributed with dungeon content this issue could completely disappear overnight.

Need a solo que for dungeons so we can run it how we want and get the 10 transmutes!

This is why I don't change out of my PvP/Solo builds for random dungeons until I see how the rest of the group plays lol. On the other hand, initiating that kick when someone tries to rush to the end without killing ads and wrecking quests/pledges always feels just. Situation in the video is silly tho.

Players should be able to opt-out of being ported to a boss that's been pulled. Why should their game-play be dictated by another player? It empowers the speed-runners over the meticulous players. Also, there are other ways to get transmutes, if that's all you're after. You get 10 for your first BG of the day, and I think even for your first daily in Cyrodiil.

On very rare occasion I get "TY for the carry" or wow what is your build from a lvl 36 after RND runs. I usually run on "fake tank" on a DD with taunt and people be like "you are not real tank" while they are on a DD with a S&B doing 1/3rd the damage I do while having bosses taunted and not moving around xD Also there is a system already to divide population more or less. You get put with people of approximately your level if there are enough people in queue. lvl 10s usually get lowbies in the group and CP players usually get other CP players in group. Very rarely you see lvl 10 with CP 2500 being put together.

I will say though when I run through melting everything I get way more "this was the best group I've had in a while" than "hey dickhead stop running in front" lol. I let people get hits on all the bosses and continue on my way.

Some of people are farming the DLC dungeons, literally doing nothing taking carry after carry.

When i was still playing alot i kept my main pve dps in a setup that i could easily solo anything. I qued with the expectations that the other group members would be looting every cabinet and bonepile.

I rush corridors, but not mobs or bosses. I wait 4 the group and the pre buff. And the final way to attack and positioning. And i always ask: Whole run or fast run? It fast run you need do it like Bolt, cuz everybody will do the same.

some etiquette that I appreciate is when people ask or announce about being on the quest. people probably don’t mind when someone runs ahead as long as they are capable of handling the mess. Usually it is a healer who is really a DPS, but doesn’t have the damage to justify the lack of group buffs.

My expectations of other players in groups is nonexistent I mean there needs to be a courtesy pace in the group content for the quest, exp, and completion. It’s not a contest to kill the bosses before the other travelers in the dungeons. But the group should move as a GROUP. And for the love of god is you queue in and join up and don’t leave immediately. PUG running is annoying, oh and stop standing in stupid and blaming the healer. And ultimately it comes down to the availability of transmutes locked in dungeons/battlegrounds.

shiiit, if i could que alone i'd never do a group dungeon again, i'd solo my little daily and never look back.

I am split on this one. On one end I understand the grind. On the other, youre acting just as entitled if not more entitled. I agree that there should be no expectations where skill is concerned. However I do think that you should be able to expect that others would play the game as it was intended in group settings like that. You want to run a train on a dungeon, go quad DPS it with some guildies you know. I dont think you have a right to ruin the game play for the strangers you’re with. That said, there is a really good and easy fix. That little “vote to kick” button. Works in a pinch.

my "line in the sand" is vet dlc content needs to let the tank, tank ---- when on my tank i stand and watch them die if they run ahead in vet dlc content

I always queue with 2-3 sets. 1.) Oakensoul HA with group heal and taunt 2.) Pale Order + DPS 3.) Full DPS 100k+ (just in case)

People may have expectations because they are not so experienced. I've been playing for years, so I understand what people may be like in a random queue. When I was new to doing dungeons, I didn't know what I was getting into. I didn't know about the transmute rewards. The game tells me there is a tank, a healer and 2 DD's. As someone who is not so familiar with the game, I had expectations based on what I saw in the game. I also had expectations on group play. Yes, I was rather naïve, but that is going to happen with less experienced players. Now, when I was really new to dungeons, I found people were kind to me then. I tell them I'm new and people slow down for me. I quickly felt that I was slowing them down, so started just quickly skipping the dialogue. Maybe I was really lucky when I was new. I never felt rushed by anyone. No one ever ran too fast for me to catch up without too much effort. I don't recall seeing anyone play like Nes who was killing things quickly, but just a little ahead of the group. Maybe I was too inexperienced to notice. What Nes did was probably fine for me. I do recall my first experience with speed runners. I was a bit more experienced then. I noticed they were running past everything and managed to keep up. I recall it was such a weird run because I never experienced a run like that before. I think that run was the one that made me realise that anything can happen with a random group. For most runs, up to that, I found that the pace is often within a certain range. I don't approach queues has having no expectations. I more approach it as to be prepared for anything far from ideal. I do get a bit annoyed with some groups once in a while, but I generally don't say anything and just try to finish the dungeon the best I can.

Thanks!

I do agree however that you should have zero expectations in pugs. So while yes it can be irritating at times I also understand that that’s on me because I’m in a pug.

The problem with the normal queue is that you have 2 players "those that queued on a specific non-random dungeon for the quest/skill point" and "those that queued on a random dungeon for the xp/transmutes". Unfortunatly those 2 players can't live with eachother unless zos changes the unskipable dialogue in those few base game dungeons, there is no problem on dlc ones. And separating the queues will mean super long specific queues, so not good. My solution is simple, in the same way as living in a country has rights but also duties/responsibilities, playing a random normal has also rights and duties/responsibilities. - If you are a player ququeing on a specific dungeon/doing a quest you are the minority, and your duty/responisbility is to tell everyone that you are doing the quest, in particular in those unskipable dialogue dungeons. From the moment that message is sent the duty/responsability of the rest of the team is to wait for the player, this doesn't mean literally waiting, but reducing the speed so the player can catch up or waiting before the boss, or as the guy in the video nefas watched being slightly in front of the rest. - If no message was sent, then it is a speedrun. Because no message means "everyone is here for the transmute/xp/rewards" and a faster dungeon is better for everyone. - If the message was sent late (lets say on the first big dialogue, usually after 1st bosss) then your fault, and the dungeon will be a speedrun. Unless everyone agrees to wait for you. - What about those that want to roleplay and see the dungeon? Well, you will need to organise your own dungeon with friends or guildies. Randoms should not wait for you. Randoms is not the palce for that. - What if I need the quest and never said anything? Too bad for you. You had one job, write a message in group chat "I am need the quest" but didn't. Try queuing again. - What if I need to finish this fast, but there is a person doing the quest, you can still do it fast, maybe not world recod fast, but fast non-the-less. - What if I need to finsih it because i need to leave for work/school/life, "I can't wait for other players". Too bad for you, it is a random, so you can't expect others to have 100k dps and be fast, whether there is a player doing a quest or not. Plus what if its a long dungeon LoM, MoS, Fungal Grotto, etc? You have no right or expectation. IT IS A RANDOM.

Its also the difficulty of dungeons and their structure. Base game dungeons are so dated that you can solo them faster than rest of your average snipe spam skyrim enjoyers could contribute and you can easily skip or avoid entire group of mobs towards the boss leaving your group behind. Newer dungeons after Mazzatun have trashpacks made in a way you cannot skip them and often you have doors or barriers you cannot bypass clearing that pack. But most of the time even in old content, capable tank that is properly pulling, rooting and rebuffing packs makes a huge difference in clear speed and running ahead has no merit. And those that aggro stuff and just run past trapping other people in doors (or even better, then getting mad on dying) deserve their special place in hell, its wasting everyone's time.

I wondered why enemy NPCs ran ahead of me in dundeons - cause they were taunted and I was a slow level 10. Lol. I remember my first level 10 run through a dungeon and I thought it was difficult sincr ESO was my first video game and I was clueless about what to do or what to expect. Yes, players ran past me and it only signaled to me there was something to learn and we learn by doing! My view was play for fun, die, rinse and repeat. I never got upset about anything ever - it's a freaking game! I recall an old Alcast video where he said a key component is "learning" and not expecting to be spoon fed. Good times!

I'm experienced player but was on a new toon last night trying to do quest in Direfrost Keep plus someone else doing quest to. Guy ran threw killed last boss by himself. We had to abandon quest start it over again. Some of Story quest in dungeons take to long

I join RNDs as healer. Shorter wait times for the queue. I try to keep speed up so I equip Ring of the Wild Hunt. The only irritating situation for me is when a tank drags mobs to a boss. Other than that, RNDs have been fine overall.

Personally I think this happens more often then not because its random normals and a casual player ends up in a lobby with a high cp player with max gear and its the fact that they got queued with a casual and the gear diff is the real thing thats causing these instances to happen.

If I need to farm gear I pug as a tank with aegis caller daggers. Do most a lot of dmg on normals and queue quickly.

I will have to agree. I personally say "hello" at the start and tyfg at the end. If everyone did really well I'll compliment. Do I expect that in return? Absolutely not lol. I farm transmutes with low level healers (specifically made for transmute runs) and never let them get above lvl 28 (my level 10 crafted gear gets stale about then lol). This way I never have to que for harder dungeons that might require teamwork. I do harder dungeons with guildies. Expectations in real life and ESO will only lead to one thing... disappointment. :) Just have fun, do your best, and don't worry about other ppl's hang ups.

When you QUEUE, for a GROUP activity, you should EXPECT to do an activity, WITH THAT GROUP. Not running ahead, not lagging behind, but sticking WITH THE GROUP. That said, there's no good reason for ZOS to still be asking players to do base game content TEN YEARS LATER. The devs are absolute shit at making new and engaging content. Major chapter content lasts a few months, Dungeon DLC maybe 2-3 weeks. They rely way too hard on players grinding old content. It's pathetic.

If I am doing a daily random with a low level character or a level 50 character that I am leveling up skills/skill lines with, I *want* someone like Ness in the group so that I get the xp and transmutes faster. If I am doing a daily random with an optimised build, I would prefer someone like Ness in the group so the fast run will be even faster, but it's optional. If I want to rp, listen to the dungeon quest dialogs, etc, I collect a group separately just for that. I won't be going through the finder because as Nefas said, no expectations via finder.

good stuff !

On one hand I loved people doing this when I first started, and also hated it would be nice to do it as a group

It is a design issue i.e. that rnd's are the best option for transmutes. The only entitlement I find irritating is people using an addon to view your drops then demanding items with no idea how curated drops work. Also, entitlement depends enitrely on your POV. Both players are entitled here because both are adamant they are right when neither are. The runner because he refuses to slow down when asked, and the lagger because he asks in a rude and antagonistic manner.

My question is what build is he running for speed running these dungeons? Please

Grab guildies and q if you wanna go fast or role play. I usually give courtesy if they are randos. Sometimes you can bug out quest so i don't mind going slow.

Just talk to the NPC... Keeper Cirion has entered the chat, oh wait, no he didn't he's still casually strolling up 🤣

As a new player, I would atleast like to accept the quest within the dungeon at least once. I dont have any of them ticked off. I dont even need to listen to the NPC its just at different intervals of the dungeon you need to speak to them again as they appear other then that I'm fine with it all and even more so if the quests aleady been completed in said dungeon.

I agree, except when people leave the dungeon, I'm not carrying you to get transmutes

if the tank is too slow for me, do you think I should I gone ahead of them? I don't want them having expectations about what I'm doing.

If there was no expectation then would question why there are specific roles to be played here…DPS TANK HEALER. So I can see the confusion where it’s more difficult as a healer than a DPS to get through the dungeon. If there is a specific role or roles that need to be fulfilled then maybe there should be a specific way to play the dungeon. Same with mechanics…I think I can see both sides here.

As a new player trying to get into the game and learn things, it always sucks when your first experience in a dungeon is with a guy who is running ahead of you clearing everything rushing you through at his pace.

On PlayStation NA they’ll kick you for no reason . Zos should give you the option to solo queue .

I agree and as an end game tank I will no longer tank and instead I will let everyone wipe for now on because thats how I want to play. The expectation is applied when joining a team bro, regardless if its a pug or premade. imagine a world that operated where everyone just does whatever the fuck they want regardless of the applied rules.

One transmute for undaunted is silly. I am the asshat that is doing alot of these for the first time so I get screwed alot. I just suck it up.

The timing of me catching this video and an incident I had just yesterday is ironic. Yes, if you sign up for a PUG, know going in that you're going to end up on a run where you may end up not liking 1/2/all others in the group. Welcome to the human race. Some people are just out for the TCs, some just want to farm loot, some are doing the quest, some want to loot barrels and crates, and some want to stop at every bookcase and read every word in every book. I understand this and I can work with any group I end up in; provisionally. Yesterday, I was on a vet random, and the healer started asking people for a specific set pieces with the divines trait that dropped in that dungeon. He said he would pay and asked people to check if they had anything he needed. One other person and myself said we'll list whatever we got at the end. He then said, I know two of you have already looted pieces I need. I want you to trade them to me now; apparently he's running with that add-on that lists what everyone loots (which I HATE, btw). He said if we didn't trade with him, then he guesses we don't need heals. I then told him I would've given him anything he needed at no cost at the end of the run, but because he's a fucktard, he gets nothing. At that point the group broke up when three of us had enough of that guy. So, yes, PUGs are like a box of chocolates; but unfortunately, most of the those chocolates are loaded with nuts.

Sure, if people get matched together via the dungeon finder, the other players are not entitled to you doing things like waiting for them, killing mobs as a dps, taunting bosses as a tank or healing people as a healer. But in the same vein, you are not entitled to them keeping you around. They are fully within their rights to votekick you. If you queue for a role, I expect you to try to perform that role in some way. I don't need you to be good at it, but there needs to be an attempt. If you queue as a healer, I expect you to have some heal skills slotted and to use them on other players. If you queue as a tank, I expect you to have a taunt slotted and to use it on bosses and big adds as well as have enough defensives to survive getting hit.

I'm going to start to que up as a tank on DPS

I’d love for the queue system to be set up so the you could get into a rnd with less than 4 people Failing that, an “advanced” rnd queue would be great. One where everyone queues as a dps, where the people are joining knowing it’s going to be a fast, free-for-all of (probably) more experienced players that just want to grab their transmutes and go

I'm also very glad that you brought this up because I have brought it up and comments in the past. You're absolutely correct that if ZOS tinkers with things and enforces a true tank or true healer for a random or give solo players an alternate way to get transmutes, those ques would take forever and make the game look less active to those casuals which would make them complain a whole lot more about that than the way the system is right now.