Toxic Casual Hypocrite Demands Others Do Better 💀 | The Elder Scrolls Online 

Pve drama is so tame Everyone knows pvp zonechat is the true endgame

When I see dudes act like this, I imagine at any moment his mom is gonna walk in and ask him if he'd like a little snacky.

If one of my teammate says "what are you good for"( ~10:00 ) I'm quitting on the spot even if we are midway to a dungeon or whatever

It is awkward to hear Nefas talk about 8puppies like his behavior is normal and acceptable. Out of context or not, it’s rough.

The only interaction I ever had with eigh1puppies on Xbox NA was he invited me to a group then he used me for a fast travel point then left the group …. 🤣

Going to be honest I'm not a fan of how eight1puppies is acting either. A good raider is patient and respectful of progression. A person who belittles and degrades their team members, shows no respect for the time and commitment that said player may have put in. If a raider exspects perfection every pull then they shouldn't be running in a progression group.

well he did make 3 mistakes in a row and archer didn't even aim at him so technically he was blaming others fo his incompetence

To have any anger playing cartoons especially a grown man is ridiculous. I've been playing from beginning an there are great players who if things don't go right they don't lose their cool an keep the group confident.This guy just not a great player an blames others for his own incompetence.

I would have left that group a long time ago. No way could I sit there to just listen to that even if it wasn’t directed at me.

I think if i was in that prog no matter how close we were yelling at me like that it would be discouraging

I started playing Eso 5 years ago when I was 14, and I used to act exactly like this. I finally stopped when one of my friends recorded one of our runs and I got to hear how I acted myself. I was so embarrassed, and from that point on, I stopped acting this way. Yeah it was hard, and I still get really frustrated, but I told myself if talked this way again to anyone, I was quitting the game. I wouldn't call what he's doing toxic, he's just acting like a child, but I guess his friends are okay with it. He's a grown man acting like this over a video game. People will defend it, and that's fine, but I'm glad I don't do this anymore because it's not fun for anyone you're playing with.

Oh the bash interrupt… wow that is going to screw my skill rotation (even when not pushing boss)… 😂

dude I know this is End game and doing trial is a Tad more serious.. But I agree this guy talking shit to his teammates is getting on my nerves... I don't care if it's supposetly a normal thing to do.. 80% of ESO players are casuals.. just kick them and get capable people, don't scream at them like they are morons.. not everyone is a Core Trial worthy player

Constructive criticism > insulting people

If you get this frustrated and can't hold your tongue, maybe its time to take a break. Nefas is looking at this as normal but there are more respectful ways to talk to another human being, even if you're frustrated. If you wouldn't speak to your mother like that or if you wouldn't speak like that to someone in person or in a professional setting, you probably shouldn't vent your frustration that way here either. That being said, we all slip up and IDK if this is a common occurrence or not.

They're both toxic. Either way, I cherry pick my end game homies. I've got no interest in grown adults that lack emotional maturity. If someone is a repeat offender for mechanic and "standing in stupid" type issues, rethink the core roster and talk to them after going through logs and consistencies. That's how emotionally mature adults handle group content. Me lashing out in group content may be a squeak or sigh and then I follow it up with constructive input and a joke to follow. When people are feeling good, they perform well. When folks add tension to a group run, it makes performance drop in most people - thus increasing that frustration and eventual rage quit.

@Nefas do you talk to your girl like that? How come? Do you talk to your group like that when you lead raids?

I think it's the group's business how they handle things, especially communication. No one needs to watch that, if they feel uncomfortable doing so. That being said, I'll give my two cents anyways. I think puppies tone is questionable. I raid progress and that is not the way the raidlead would ever talk to us or vice versa. His groupmates also don't sound like they're having a blast when he's talking to them like that. I assume the overall atmosphere in the group is good and the people generally like eachother (otherweise they wouldn't be there, I guess) but adressing your mates like puppies did is kinda shitty, regardless.

I think this was a fun reaction to watch, but the person in the video should probably find something else to play, or at least lower the difficulty so they are less emotional about losing.

Even though the clips were casted as "taken out of context", it is still quite evident that that guy was snapping at other people. The first half of the video comes off as Nefas is providing legitimacy for such behavior because he's seen worse in other end-game groups. I should call out that just because it's a norm in his side of the community, it doesn't mean that's not a problem. If anything, it's an indication that the people he hangs around can have much better emotional intelligence. Even if we set aside the matter of being respectful to others in a video game, the means of delivering feedback is pretty important. If the intent is to have others improve, constructive feedback tend to be more effective than insults. On the flip side, rudeness and bickering can distract the group and lead to valuable members to -x due to all that avoidable bad blood being created. Note: To be fair, this guy could really be a saint 99.9% of the time but I've seen this type of behaviour all the time in end-game groups and would not at all be surprised if it is more common.

I just like hearing Nefas react to stuff. It’s nice to start the morning 😂

ESO RU-vid community is very hate and drama filled. He’s on cam which is hard to do as well. Dude gets a little heated doing difficult content and come for his throat and character. Meanwhile tyler1 is having fits every 90 seconds and just getting more money and views lol

I just don't understand why they didn't call him out. I don't raid in eso I'm not skilled enough lol but I do in D2, WOW, and FF14. In my experience if someone was being "hypocritical" (how he's getting pissy about his raid teams mistakes then he proceeds to do the same thing he was just mad about.) they would've gotten checked. I'm not saying anything is inherently wrong with his behavior we all get frustrated from time to time. Hell, I often do the same thing in hard content but in all those situations, I get called out for it.

I hate people who enforce the way they see world on others, specially on a freaking video game, just let people play the game, if you get a toxic fake tank/healer on a vet dungeon just report and move on. Everyone has a fuse its just a matter of how long it is, you ultra casuals are no saints either, your constant attacks on a subset of the game combined with how many of you there is, its one of the reasons we only get a few new dungeons a year and only one trial! If the majority of the population doesnt participate in content then there is no incentive for it to be developed.

For what its worth, maybe two cents, every group I've been in had very calm and professional callouts and feedback even when egregious errors occur. It's a game for fun and I would not tolerate public ridicule or rebuke for a mistake. Its OK to ask if a team member saw or understood a mechanic and how to do correctly, but calmly. It's just a game - even though raids take time and planning. Where I work, errors are handled privately with never a raised voice or undertone and I expect rhe same courtesy from everyone. Having a bad day is never an excuse for unacceptable behavior. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and first assume good intentions. I also never comment publicly on someone's negative behavior. I bring issues to that person where appropriate wirh a goal of building people and not rearing down. I am far from perfect and I apologize when I err or offend. To that end, I view "being offended" as a choice on how we interpret feedback since what offends one may not offend another. And I am open to criticism in general and on my comments here. Cheers!

My experience with the guy was a few years back on Xbox NA, he was well known in a few groups I was in to be part of a crowd of raiders (a blacklist of individuals depending on who you ask) who have huge egos and often make the runs they are in feel like jobs. Being part of a relatively new team we were encouraged to basically bow our heads to any of these people like that and let them go off since, at least on Xbox, the endgame raiding community was ran like a schoolyard popularity contest. I have firsthand witnessed someone being removed from a raid team because they 'disrespected' a prominent figure in the community by saying something in the public in-game VC. While sure you can cherry pick the worst moments of someone, it's disingenuous to not acknowledge the real problems that people do face when joining up with a raid team, I was fortunate enough to be a support player who was friends with a raid lead so I got on teams, no questions asked, but for someone who is wanting to dip their toes into the endgame for the first time, they will most likely be scared away by the sheer amount of toxicity and egos that plague this game (on Xbox NA) and if they do manage to survive first contact, 8 times out of 10 they begin to emulate the toxic behavior because they see it as normalized. When a late-teens/20-something year old kid is throwing a fit because someone refuses to say 'Yes Leader' whenever they give an order then that's a problem. This kind of behavior is why the endgame community is so small (on Xbox NA) because people having a high-school-era fallout with each other over clashing of egos and then either quit the game or go to PC. I've been a raid lead before and my style of leading ran more on keeping spirits high and keeping people motivated since the moment someone checks out for the night, 11 other people are having their time wasted. I personally wasn't friends with the 10+ people on every team I was on, and I can say from experience, no normal person should be subjected to this kind of verbal abuse, saying "What are you good for?" is so far out of the realm of reasonable, he is lucky that his team puts up with that kind of thing because I know and have seen that outside of those ultra-toxic groups, that kind of language does not fly (at least on Xbox NA) unless your raid lead is a boot-licker who wants to one day join the 'elitist' club, which is fairly common since I have seen raid leads be the ones to have meltdowns if people challenge the authority of the toxic players

I don’t think people have the ground to comment how a team talks amongst each other until they play at that level themselves. To clip just the negative when that’s not 100% the norm is just stupid and he tries to tell those of us who run in groups like this how to behave? Just…no

I definitely would have cussed that dudes ears off if he talked to me like that in voice chat

Wait, that dude thought the "send nudes" thing was an actual thing? That's a meme. A common meme. Usually sent in the format "thanks for accepting me to this group/discord/fb group/whatever. One question though, did everyone else have to send nudes to admins to get accepted?"

Just things ive heard from people Admiral Digby is alittle hated on the ps5 na server. I was in his guild and he asked me to join a sub gs prog but I wasn't needed. His problem is he get pretty upset when someone doesn't do a mechanic.

Yea man , I ran a bit with you Nefas way back . You were good to hang with. This guy , knowledge or not , is a dick . Wouldnt run with him .

Isn't he the most recent addition to the stream team? Who does the vetting at ZOS?

And this is the reason people won't play trials. It's not worth playing for hours on end for people to just yell at each other. Especially when you get off work and you just want to sit down and have a decent game play. There is no reason to play trials like this

People have no idea how much veteran players bite their tongues when they are trying to get some simple $hit done and end up having to carry/drag someone across the floor to the finish line. It is very simple logic. "LF 1dd ---- Please know mechs" --The author or this ^ -- "1dd?? That's me!" Spends the next hour looking at his death recap.

Trials end game is generally quite adolescent. Pretty sure most people grow out of it once they settle into their lives/families etc. I’m sure a lot of kids enjoy the rp factor of ‘drill sergeant’ taking raids serious etc, but it’s ultimately just an extremely casual hobby people could all be playing nude and no one would know.

It’s a good thing this was among friends because in this current mental climate asking people what they are good for can lead to consequences. We’re not talking about people being told to get good which is needed every now and then or to pay attention. There are stories of people going Liam Neeson because they felt a line was crossed. You just never know when that person you’re dealing with is one of those extreme personalities.

I quit the game 2 years ago because end game was unbearably toxic. Got al the trial trifectas then left the game 2 weeks later. The only people that stick around for the toxicity to get titles literally have nothing else in life going for them. Nobody in the right mind sticks around a toxic environment

I’m an average player at ESO, but one of the best players in Apex Legends, that being said I could add some insight to this… As an average player at ESO, I want to do more challenging content such as dungeon and trials, but I know I’ll make mistakes/ I might be the reason we couldn’t “win”. Theres some people who don’t care as much as eightpuppies they just want to chill and have fun, but are actually really good! All of this to say.. if he’s not communicating what he expects, then it’s his fault to begin with. As a great apex player, I could tell when someone’s bad just by talking to them, you feel like something’s missing. If both players aren’t communicating what they want, then there’s the issue.

The way he’s talking to his team is a little intense for me. Like, it’s a lot for just a game. Even if it is vet, have fun in there y’all. Jeez 😂

I dont play online games. The culture of drama isn't worth my time.

jesus, if they think eigh1puppies is toxic i hope they never see what my core is like my friends and i are way worse than this

I can't stand people like that. It is why I don't raid. Well, that and some games make it feel like a part time job.

Regardless of the shit take and saying that toxicity is normal... it is not and it should not be acceptable in our community.

We need more dramatic material on daggers vs. staves no matter what Skinny says! Lol 😅

Are we starting this topic again!? 🤮

Me: there is never any ROJO in pugs... Digby: bonjour!

Ppl can give their 2 cents all they want but the real matter is - do puppies and his friends have an issue with each other? If no then who cares

This guy is the PvE version of Hoarcrux 😂

I think he runs a trial bootcamp with the way he’s talking lol. Send bad kids to him to learn trials in a rough way

Yeah i dunno man, I did endgame trials way back when, and when we had a raid lead act like this we called them out real fast. Not sure why Nefas thinks berating and shouting at people, over a freaking video game is somehow okay.

If I raided with ProtoBaggings on a constant schedule like Eight does, I too would be a little off the hinges. Cant fault the guy 😅

Tbf, engame pve IS toxic. I quit the game for 4-5 years on and off only for events because of how toxic it got in our group (we were ranking in top 3 at one point on PC EU). Half the guild players quit the game that day including one of our raid leaders who was always trying to solve everything calmly and patiently. To my surprise it seems the game only got more toxic as I dared to queue for daily vet Banished cells and got called a bot by an elitish player for running heavy attack build which is performing more than enough for dungeon one can solo (I queued up for it so the clear is faster). I asked what his problem is what someone is running in an easy dungeon. He repeated that I am fu*king skilless bot and logged off. He didnt even leave the group, on purpose he logged out and his buddy ported out, which made it impossible for me and remaining player to kick them out to get other players to join. So we just went and did it duo without an issue obviously in hardmode, it just took longer than it would with full group which was the whole point queuing up. I brought this issue up in my guild I joined with the intention to run dungeons (tho no one ever joined me when I was asking for people for dailies), that I met this person who was this toxic because someone is running a build that is not of his liking. I got pretty much slammed by multiple people defending his behavior and making bullshit excuses and reasons. One of which was for example - oakensoul is making tank and heal buffing you useless. And? Better for them in a basic dungeon no? Can slot something else and dont have to put much efford into again a BASE GAME DUNGEON. I would understand people dont appriciate heavy attack builds in trials due to it not performing as well as the bis builds etc but this? Why is some random person in queue thinking he has any right to berate me for what build I am running? Its bullshit. This makes me have no desire to go back to that environment if all I am gonna get is being yelled at and criticised for anything and everything. My problem not running engame build is there is no class and magicka/stamina identity whatsoever. Everyone is the same. Using oakensoul lets me keep using staff and being effective enough clearning what I put my mind to. Toxic behaviour wont make anyone, who maybe wants to get into the endgame high level pve, even bother trying. If I got yelled at and ridiculed like 8puppies apparently does often in his stream, I would leave that very second, good luck finding a replacement. That said, the creator of the video is no better than him from the messages we have seen. They are both huge hypocrites. I didnt know there was so much drama in the ESO community online until I started watching Nefas videos tbh because of his coverage of them. Maybe something to think about if its a good idea to bring light to the toxicity.

I'm sorry but, I can't agree with you on this one. I do think that criticism is fine in hard content as people need to know what is going wrong or how they messed up but there's way better ways to convey this. You can of course get frustrated sometimes and tone can come across poorly but if you're not apologizing for it after realizing what you said or taking better measures not to snap...yeah that's toxicity. If someone is screaming at you I think it's natural to scream back but this isn't what is happening here. It's like Gordon Ramsey US version. Not helpful. His UK tv persona is chill and nice and people learn much more quickly on those shows instead of just getting frustrated and quitting.

This is funny People like Nekfas and puppies are amazing, They have help in so many ways. If you want to end raid, Do your job and STFU if the raid leader is yelling at you, your doing sommit wrong! Do better, stop whining. pick up your game.

I mean, I’m kind of confused if Nefas is justifying this behavior or not, but Eigh1Puppies is definitely toxic. Tense moment or not, if you can’t keep your cool and handle things like a grown up, then you probably shouldn’t raid lead. All you’re going to do acting like that is demoralize your team and lose people.

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As someone who comes from call of duty on xbox 360 and day 1/master raiding I guess the rage/shit talk is part of the experience. Idk I guess I have an iron tolerance at this point 😂😂

This is the reality of PvE progression groups for some lol. I get both ends of it, I’ve definitely seen some toxic shit in my time playing ESO. I can agree they’d want someone positive on stream team but they only put the bad parts. What bro says so openly to his team is definitely what most say behind a muted mic in a progression, it’s rough when you see people dying constantly to mechanics you’ve been over time and time again especially in a Trifecta group. Something as simple as a bash or just simply paying attention. At the same time, nobody is perfect including himself. You can call him an elitist but he’s just being a direct and transparent lead who uses colorful words sometimes you can’t sugar coat shit and it can definitely come across as aggressive. Not all people like it but most come to respect it especially in endgame. I can’t believe someone really spent the time to make a video like that tbh 😂

That Digby person is actually a mess. They do literally nothing in the game except bash other players on Reddit and post outrage videos. They're not even worth giving a moment of anyone's time to. On the flipside, watching clips of Pups getting gunned by the Wamasu after ripping on people for taking those to the face is kinda beautiful.

If endgame ESO has a problem it's endgamers not really considering that there are new players or who just haven't done endgame trial content. Not every ESO player started playing at launch or beta. Whether calling it elitism or gatekeeping what results is a sort of stagnant pool at the top of the heap. I haven't been trial focused in a little while and things might have improved now since it's easier to hit higher dps numbers. I've always been super patient with groups and explaining content, especially if it's harder. The only exception is if the group is being sandbagged or I don't have the time and have to log off.

When content is mid, you have to make case studies on other players xD

I'm just disappointed that talking to people like trash is apparently acceptable if the frustration is "valid". I just get disappointed by people in general over and over again it seems. Have watched NefasQ on and off for ages, so this just was an unexpected let down.

Guys like this are the ones that really ruin the game. I believe PVP should be totally and completely taken out of this game

The raid leader position is not for everyone. You gotta be willing to deal with a lot of stupidity and herding. You're also constantly going to be judged by you actions. If you can't handle being a certain raid leader I suggest you either look for another or become one yourself and walk a mile in their shoes. See if you can still keep your tact after a couple dozen vet runs with players of all different skill levels.

man i remember when me and kittens used to play together and we was toxic af towards each other, some people thought we hated each other but it was just aussie love lol

lol I only do vet content with the boys 😂😂😂

just another point. Who the fudge is going to break into Canada. You got US on the bottom and santa claus up top.

I don’t think this is funny…It’s pathetic

oh my LAWD LMAOOO

I don't know him. how does he handle when someone chirps back at him? Does he take criticism well or does he blow up to avoid it?

Gotta disagree with you here bud, that's pretty toxic. It would be one thing if he were joking or parodying -50 DKP or something, but his face is serious the entire time he's saying this shit and nobody is laughing or clapping back. Toxic.

I think Eightpuppies definitely seemed liked a dick in a few of those clips and a hypocrite, but the rest were just him telling his group to get their shit together. I wouldn't raid with the guy at all because of his behavior, but this definitely wasn't worth making a video over (talking about border patrol person) and try to publicly out him for his toxic attitude

So when it comes to eight puppies, there are 3 versions of him.. You get teaching pups Core team pup And fun time pup Teaching pups is calm kool and collected very knowledgeable. Core team pups is intense and demanding but makes you a better player and shits on everyone including himself. Fun time pupis a fun and intense shit talking session

Tbh, eigh1puppies does come off abrasive and gets heated over little things, but i think that's just his personality, and the people he's running with should be well aware. In the end, it's not like this behavior is going on outside of his raid team. At least, I dont think i've ever witnessed or seen eigh1puppies get this way with randoms or zone chat, etc. So, if you dont like his style, you dont have to be on his team, plain and simple. I see no point in directly calling him out and making a video labeling him as toxic for how he chooses to conduct HIS raid teams. If it bothers you, dont watch his streams and dont join his team. His teams hold a number of records, even without the help of Addons, so he's obviously doing something right.

Speaking as someone on Pups teams, he's one of our best friends and I said this on Admiral's video, he's our friend... he is our lead and has taught us so much. This guy cherry picked a couple clips from tonsssss of hours of streams and made Pups out to be a monster. We raid with him because we want to. We enjoy his company and friendship.

I refuse to watch people who degrade or continuously berate their team members. It is possible to constructively criticize without being toxic or nasty. How do I, as an outside viewer, know that it's 'just the way a group of friends' are interacting and they don't mind? I don't, so it just looks toxic. It's one thing to curse up a blue streak when the team wipes, due to whatever. It's another thing to toxically berate someone on live stream. I play to chill and relax from dealing with toxic people IRL, I don't need it ingame.. period. I've left Trials and Dungeons due to toxic players. I got asked to Heal vRG.. because their normal Healer was unavailable, but they still wanted to do a practice run or two. I said ok, BUT warned them I had not even run it normal yet. I didn't even finish the 1st run through, I whispered the person I knew and told them I don't do toxic BS, I needed direction and help, not Shite on... and I ported out. If I wanted Toxic, I'd go play COD multiplayer... or BDO

When a nerd and a loser have a baby.

in the words of Connor Mcgreggor.... WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY?

Mixed feelings on this, on one hand, it's pretty fucking tame to be targeting, but I've known people to drop out of running raids, or leave the game entirely, because someone gave them shit and they couldn't take it. My vote is, if you can't handle basic social interactions, maybe play more single player games?

Wow this is a hard one. On one hand its definitely toxic. On the other Ive definitely said some toxic shit to some friends in end game and vice versa. But we have known each other for 10+ years and we know its just frustration. Much like when siblings fight. Ive also had to break it up and had people take a minute to compose themselves. Until your endgame doing hard mode trifecta runs you probably dont understand the frustration when you see a team mate not perform at the level you know theyre capable of. Id say he probably just shouldnt stream it if he cant control his toxicity. Because from the outside looking in it looks bad. Also for the limited interactions ive had with digby theyve been mostly positive. Definitely gonna send some nudes to hyper though for that hot carry. 😂

eso content is just pitiful nowadays, drama queens

Imma be honest my guy this aint it 😂

So many victims. boo hoo whaa whaa. None of them would survive in an old competitive lobby. (sorry for bad english)

Your channel is 100% Oprah these days. Invite all these people into pvp :) It's far simpler to settle disputes. When a team gets a bit sick of a toxic lead they just faction swap and whale on em for a few years.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Trial Drama

I ended up doing a stream on this guy. Idk why guys can't just keep it pushing.

I agree you should never berate and embarrass the player in front of everyone, if I did that in front of my own team I would be shown the door pretty quick and this is just a video game there is no need to belittle and swear at players. This is actually the first video I have downvoted you on Nefas saying Eight1 comments are justified, I completely disagree with your comments on this one. There is no need to be talking to your team the way Eight1 did.

Stop with the drama and tell us about PvE meta builds

People care about this stuff?

Just another call of duty fan boy ignore it

He's endgame. I expect all endgame players to be like that. Just don't play with endgamers. That simple.

To clarify the missing context on the “x” thing, the entire conversation stemmed from wasting time during resets, after a long night of them. We were all frustrated and that’s definitely a moment I didn’t handle well. Thanks for covering this yet again brother XD

Cuz puppies can complete content on xbox or trash pc, so he is a solid player. Espically xbox og

When did the world get so soft?