Evidence of Roman Contact with the Americas? 

Wait until someone from the next North American civilization finds that small cache of 3rd century Roman coins I buried in the Apalachicola National Forest.

Explain Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.... ? Ha! Gotcha!

Clear, concise, and to the point.

The moment he started acusing Brazilin government of cover-up it was clear it's fake. There is no reason to hide something like that, and every reason to promote it for tourism if it was true.

Wow, that's a Case Closed if I ever saw one!

We all know that Asterix and Obelix visited the Americas...

WTF? I'm brazilian and I visited the Baia de Guanabará many times and never heard of said story. No, there is no way a roman vessel could have shipwrecked near the city of Rio de Janeiro XD

But ancient aliens told me on the History channel that the ancient Aztecs head spaceships...... So who's to say they didn't just fly there.😮

Ótimo vídeo. As ânforas de Americo Santarelli é uma história conhecida entre os antigos mergulhadores brasileiros. Absurdo dizer que são romanas. Great video. Americo Santarelli's amphorae is a well-known story among ancient Brazilian divers. It is absurd to say that they are Roman.

Would you consider making a highlights/reaction to Flint Dibble's debate on JRE? There are so many great moments buried in a 4.5 h conversation. He also gave you a shout out, I hope one day to see you on the podcast as well!

I don't know. Maybe you should check with Hancock before using evidence and logic. He may have some book deal that depends on a neverending mystery for these objects.

Quick and to the point .

Hear me out... It was aliens. /s

There is a book 'The Phoenicians in Brazil' by Ludwig Shangenagem. That was actually a serious discussion in the academy but due to forgery that theme became a joke.

Even if they are real, that would still only prove that a ship got there and we have found ghost ships floating for months and in some cases years. The wind and streams means that a Roman Ghost ship could float from the Canary islands to Brazil in 2 months without anyone alive on board. For an actual trade you would expect to find goods from Romans among people and vice versa. In comparison we do have a few evidence for vikings trading in Canada, including weights and a scale on the Canadian mainland. We also have viking houses in L'Anse aux Meadows and a few North American nut shells have been found in viking houses on Iceland. Add the Sagas to that and we can prove some contact there, the scale and weight actually leaning towards that at least a single trader operated in mainland Canada. We do know they had the means and motive to do so. But while it isn't totally impossible a Roman trader who also was transporting things to eat and drink so the crew could survive the journey could end up in Brazil, that is far more unlikely. Besides this suspicious evidence that doesn't actually prove trade, Roman sailing was not as good as the vikings and the southern route is far more perilous. The vikings had something called a sun compass that could help them find North at mid day. They had sun stones who could help them know where the sun was. Their ships where clinker built and could actually handle hard winds while Roman ships generally sailed within sight of land because they were screwed if they got in rough weather. So even if a Roman ship somehow got to Brazil and back, they lacked the tools to turn that into a trade route. We also have zero evidence for actual contact, even if that unlike a trade route is at least possible even if it is super unlikely.

So that's the story behind that story that's been circulating the internet for a bit. Thanks, doc!

Good job researching this!

That is a fun little story! They definitely put a lot of time and energy and commitment and to trying to pull the scam off.. it's almost good enough to be made into a movie

black marketeers, artifact frauds, and black-market auctions in real life. even though it is very bad, you must admit, it sounds like a cool criminal underworld action movie about the artifact black market.

Wait, that was in Guanabara Bay? That's the bay right of Rio de Janeiro. There is a huge airport there, a big port, nowadays population around the bay is over 12 million. There is also a navy base there. Dropping silt at the THIS BAY for this reason makes no sense. All that said, due to currents from the cost of Africa just south of the Sahara, taking you to northeast Brazil, it's absolutely but unlikely that ancient era ships ever reached Brazil by accident. Returning to the old world would be impossible however, without knowing the "turn of the sea", the ocean currents and wind patterns that make clockwise and anticlockwise routes in the north and south Atlantic That means that to cross to Africa again, they would need to sail to southern Brazil or Uruguay to reach around South Africa, and then follow the African cost northwards. It's just counter intuitive

Hi, thanks for all your work, I try to find real information about ancient times, and I really appreciate what and how you explain what's really known about places and people, I've been searching for any realistic info on the Longyou caves in China and wondered if you have any information on the subject, thanks again, your work is really appreciated

The thought of contact between South America and classical/preclassical Old World civilizations like Phoenicia and Rome is so intriguing, unfortunately the evidence for it is mostly terrible.

Thank you for your video. I made my own research years ago.two of the amphorae are still kept in the MIT museum, which is a serious institution. They have all the documentation and I am sure they will provide it to you upon request. I was quite skeptical at the beginning. But what convinced me that it was not a hoax was that both amphorae had been dated with radiocarbon dating and thermoluminescense dating by two universities ( London and Massachutes). The results were surprising: 2/ 3 th century AD. According to their shape and chemical composition they were produced at Dchar Jedid, not far from Tanger. According to further analysis, the incrustations on the amphorae proved to be caused by local brazilian clams and other marine life. As I said, all the documentation is in the MIT museum. The site has been covered with sand by the brazilian navy and any further researches are banned for political reasons too silly and complicated to explain

It could have been a later ship that had Roman Amphorae on it - two amphorae and no ship do not a timeline make - they could have turned up there any time from the Roman Empire to a few years before they were found..

Well the debate finally happened! Flint Dibble real old school Archeologist vs Graham Hancock. All in all i think this was a very informative and productive conversation. Flint did well and i respect him. But Graham once again has the more compelling arguments and *EVIDENCE* to support his arguments.

Although I don’t for a second believe there was trade between Roman Europe and the Americas, I do believe that it’s possible Roman ships were blown way off course while sailing along the coast of Africa. Brazil was discovered by a Portuguese ship that got blown way off course while trying to use De Gama’s route around Africa so it’s possible that a Roman ship could’ve had the same thing occur.

While I kind of like the idea of a ship drifting to a continent it has no business to drift to, I am glad, whenever these stories are debunked. Please let peoples develop their own civilizations

Lots of crap has been used for ballast. But beyond that, the Romans needed special ships for their trade with India, and I've never heard any claims, let alone evidence, that the Romans built the same style of ships anywhere but the Red Sea.

Knowing the Roman Empire you probably see at least a trading post and more likely them trying to conquer the America's so you should find more references to that than anything else.

David, your viewers may enjoy the methods that archeologists and historians use to authenticate purported artifacts, especially in light of that the greater knowledge of counterfeiters of antiquities, can easily dupe the unsuspecting.

I am brazilian and never heard someone calls Guanabaras's bay as bay of jars...

That would be so jawdropping tho to find proofs of contacts betwin africa and south america, but we would knew already with genetics evidences if it had happen.

The only way something like this might even be within the realm of possibility would be the behavior of the ocean currents. Ie debris drifting across the ocean if Atlantic currents flow in a matter that might accommodate the remote possibility. Shipping traffic between Africa and India happened before the Romans and Pre-Columbian Americans did have extensive trade networks, but there's no reason to think there was pre Norse contact, let alone trade.

The roman clay head found under a maya prymiad/temple does tho.(dated 1300) most likely from a drifted roman galley from some islands off the coast of spain/africa

I once came across a Coca-Cola bottle on Salisbury Plain in England, quite near Stonhenge...

PLEEEAAASEEE do a review of the Dibble/Hancock debate on Joe Rogan! It was increddibly frustrating to listen to Hancock, but Dibble was great.

I see your boy flint dribble got a pummelling by Hancock yesterday 😂

Any chance you'll look at History for Granite's recent pyramid videos? I'd say they seem pretty legit in termsbof research but I'd love to see a historian give their perspective.

I would not be surprised if there were a few trans-Atlantic encounters in the millennia before the Scandinavians started mucking around in Newfoundland. I would be elated if we managed to find conclusive archeological evidence of such encounters - but it's going to take more than miraculous finds by people with dodgy backgrounds and motivations to convince me.

Unless associated with other things one find is always suspicious

I do remember a story about tobacco being found in Egyptian mummies. Maybe that was fake, it was a long time ago.

Why would anyone deliberately submerge a bunch of jars in a bay for 21 years to get an authentic look? This is just a weird story. Barnacles on my boat grow in just a few months.

Hi doctor, can you please tell which university did you study in and what you did to become an historian?

SHOCKING!

This would be amazing discovery. Some similar shape pottery isn't going to cut it, not even near it as in the end you can only do limited amount of shapes and thus is bound to be crossing each others in style even if these peoples were never in contact each other.. But I would really like to see you study properly of finno-ugric history... afterall, it's rumoured some west coast tribes had eerily similar words for things as finns did.. We are by far the oldest peoples of this region, the "indians" of eurasia.

Thanks, Doc. They look pretty good. Even if it was a lost or ghost ship and the amphorae were real, that would be no evidence of a trading relationship. It would be just an unusual accident.

Brazil and the rest of the Americas was a place to go for colonists and many were wealthy people with large families and possessions following them out - you bring stuff if you are relocating for long periods or permanently - and ships coming from Europe after 1492 didn't just sink in the middle of the Atlantic they sank in local American harbors during storms too and don't forget those pirates randomizing stuff up.

What about the wine, was it any good?

THEY HAD GOTTEN HEAVILY FINED!

Whoa I didn't know Marx was involved in this, I only know him as the guy who did the first extensive underwater excavations at Port Royal, Jamaica

A few musings: 1 - if evidence of a Roman ship = where is the ship......... An archeologist looking for evidence of sunken ships would upon discovery of a wreck document that. What do we see here??? Answer: amphorae. So what kind of person dives for sunken artifacts to only grab the artifacts and ignore/destroy anything else with them.......... = answer: _"treasure hunters."_ This lends to the Brazilian government claim of treasure hunter diving. 2 - if the Romans were interacting with another culture in South America = why do we not see any record of this. After all the Romans were quite meticulous about writing about others they knew of and interacted with. 3 - finally the "blown off course" hypothesis. This of course is theoretically possible - yet appears to be unlikely. Look at the Atlantic currents and where they run = then look at the location of this area in relation to the Brazilian coastline. Any ship coming out of the Mediterranean Sea via Gibraltar if caught in a storm and pushed westward would likely end up in northern Brazil/South America or the Caribbean area which is much closer. This area of Brazil near Rio De Janeiro is a fair distance down the continent and away from the Canary current which would have pushed it more northward in relation to South America. Moral: we see no ship + we have historical evidence of artifacts in the bay + the area around Rio was colonized early in the 16th Century to be a major port in the area. This allows for 2 plausible answers: 1 - as the video alludes to the amphorae were fake. 2 - they came to Brazil during the period of European colonization - perhaps belonging to someone whose ship sank in the bay centuries ago. After all the Europeans who colonized the Americas often built European style buildings and as such decorating that with Roman artifacts would not be unknown considering Roman architecture litters the European landscape. There is nothing to lend to the Romans actually arriving in South America and loads of things to make such a claim implausible. People as is usually the case unfortunately see what = they want to see. 🤷 Enjoy your day folks.

I think it'd be so cool if Romans would've had contact with the Americas

I just watched your critique of Randall Carlson, now trying to square that with this video's title.

Thank you for debunking the common internet tail.

If there were no Romans in the Americas, then why does my dad hide his baldness with a Caesar cut? Checkmate academics!

Of course chemical tests on the clay pots would show their origin.

I wouldn't have said that it doesn't hold up... I would have said that with all the muddying of the story, that it's likely that it will not hold up... over time... With everything in life, it's always a "percentage chance" - in this case, isn't it %90 that it doesn't hold up?

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They were ancient alien batteries

I'm pretty sure a lot of folks made it. They just did not come back.

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It's a Fugazi.

If this was an attempt to create fake artifacts , obviously for a profit, was the perpetrator prosecuted? Fake antiquities are considered as an international crime.

BUSTED!

I knew it 😂

Answer me this. What is the one thing you mustn't stretch in order to find? 😁

Or a ship got in a storm and off way?

This is Brazil hueheuhe

Stacking material evidence against the word of some dude allegedly doing something strange 60 years ago. Man I love history.

Did rome realy have any ship. that would be able to cross the attlantic. If they had and did. why no real trace of them.

I love this! Gut instinct was that it had to be fake. *if* a ship made it to the new world (unlikely) it was certainly an accident, probably a storm, and the crew would have used up all food and water before getting here, so *if* it happened, it was a ghost ship that arrived. Certainly no one ever came home to tell of it, we’d know if they had. I love that it was essentially an art project. Awesome!

Yet another one busted! You should be given a professorship of the public understanding of science. You are a wonderful factual communicator and educator

But aren’t we allowed to make up any story we want to support beliefs we like?

Not impressed. I'll wait until they find Roman Amphorae on Mars.

You said "the evidence doesn't seem to hold up" but honestly, the information you're providing to back up that assertion is far too paltry to be so definite. So a businessman claimed he buried the jars. Perhaps he did, but you're taking his word for it without doing any further investigation. How do you know he's telling the truth? Either there isn't any proof that this happened, or there is and you haven't bothered to check. *If* there isn't any proof of this, then the only thing to do is analyse the jars to try and figure out their origin.

I saw a channel which was accusing Dibble of being misleading against Hancock on the JRE. It went all scientific to back up Hancock, im sure using terrible science. The comments were full of the normal conspiracy nonsense

This was a bit disappointing. I would not be surprised if an occasional Greek, Roman or Phoenician ship did get to the Americas. If Irish monks could get to Newfoundland in the 7th Century, why not?

This story always intrigued me and with no reason to assume it was false I thought it was just probably a lost ship. That being said why would someone make fake amphora to leave in the water for years for apparently no real reason we can come up with? That seems oddly convenient. What was the reason the businessman wanted authenticity aged amphori?

Explain that stupid claim about the Sumerians coming to Chile ? That one needs to be addressed because I've looked at that and it's just pure nonsense.

No. Never happened.

bruh i see why this guy those to not debate you......

😂😂😂 Its like a bird hitting your balcony glass door, over and over and over.

Why Roman?...How about other ancient civilization...

Case closed, no Atlantis. Nice

Pr. Miano purposely avoided talking about the content of the amphore. That was Guarana Antarctica.

...or it's all a lie...

The bearded gods will return!

For once, I must agree with Miano. While this does not support ancient transatlantic trade, neither does it disprove it. Actually, it doesn't prove anything. This story has been around for a long time. I don't even know why Miano is referencing it, other than to attack the alternative history group to increase his subscribers.

Make video on Tamil vs Sanskrit age.

Bull Shiite !

It's evident you support the official narrative in every single discussion with clear evidence or not. But Nature has its laws and it is known that an ocean current helped seafarers to navigate from the cost of Portugal till Morocco since forever. Of Course these people didn't tell about their maritime adventures, secret was the base of exclusivity, but there is some evidence that the Portuguese had reached Brazil already at the beginning of the XV century, 90 years before Columbus reached Cuba. Let me find a book where I've read it and I will give you the information I've got. I believe very easily about the Anphorae, and I don't forget the small roman head found in Mexico. What I do not know is if this transoceanic travels where established as a norm or not, but I m convinced they happened. The human spirit is omnipotent, and dismissing it just to please the political institutions in power don't diminished for 1 bit, it just obstruction honest research, and that's a SIN!

Pharaos got coke from South America so, hey =)

Romanes eunt domus