Exploring the new 2GR-FKS 

It was a mighty effort yes. I felt his pain.

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@@FrankensteinMotorworks would you do a video or series on what mods the 2GR response to that’s best ? Not necessarily in the mr2 but for all of us with the 2GR

@@colinshum5216 I've discussed this a couple times already but the absolute biggest hitter is the y-pipe. if you're looking for more power and you don't replace your y-pipe first you're doing it wrong. there's up to 45hp hiding in that y-pipe. The problem is if you open it up too much you end up with something that sounds like an exotic. The 2GR absolutely screams as soon as it starts making just a bit more power.

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There was way too much struggle there to not leave it in the video :)

oh god...take this one to the bathroom and crank the audio!

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Lucky, there are quite a few 2016-17 Tacoma owners that had their engine suddenly blow up without explanation. My neighbors 2019 Highlander had the oil pump gear fracture at 115k. The Car Care Nut had one on his channel with a cracked cylinder which also seems to be a common issue.

What did he tune it with?? Im looking to do my 2022 highlander 😊

@@jasonruch3529 oil change every 5k miles ,transmission fluid drain and fill every 60k mile. spark plug ,brake pads ,transfer case(if AWD) fluid 80-100k miles hopefully it will last till haft millions miles .and don't let air filter getting too dirty

Unfortunately the ECU situation on the FKS combined with the lack of advantages to that motor compared to the FE means that i am unlikely to spend much time on the FKS. I also thought we learned back in the 90's that putting a crank position sensor in the bell housing was a bad idea. Not sure why Toyota seems to want to learn that lesson for themselves.

Yes, i have all the tools here to make an adapter but a lot of what i do here is figure out how to make things possible for others to make.

11.8:1 stock

they aren't even close. Also, that supercharger is a really nice supercharger but the lower manifold on it is terrible.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks I figured it would be pretty challenging with the FKS using direct injection along with port and the lower manifold being different

Bump for your thoughts...

yes, it’s doubtful that the exhaust flows quite as good. I don’t think it makes any sense for him to provide support for this motor

how recent was your purchase. theyre 17 backordered according to my parts department. im curious if i order one will it show.

Late reply but my buddy has a 2017 Tacoma and got it tuned when he bought it new. The increased torque and hp are insane, and the motor loves it. He’s about to hit 250k miles. I bought a 22 Tacoma and got it tuned immediately. Feels even better than my the 3MZ-FE which I loved ❤ (added bonus 2GR has a chain)

where did he get tuned?@@stackthatartpaper

Just get the ott tune

The 2AZ bellhousing is almost identical to the 2AR. whatever fits on that engine will work with the 2AR except for maybe some starter positions since the 2AR is wider.

There are no differences that matter for the swap. Just pick any 2GR-FE that you can get your hands on. If you get it with a wiring harness you should get a 3rd gen sienna engine.

the 2grfks came in longitudinal layout too used in the lexus gs/is/rc even with a manual in a tacoma

@@ArmyofSeaturtles wait the Tacoma with a manual has transverse layout?? I have a ‘22 Tacoma with 6MT and this motor.

it's actually a 4gr-fse but that longitudinal block is entirely different from the 2gr-fe transverse block.

Actually none of these blocks (2gr-fks, 2gr-fe, 2ar-fe and so on...) have nikasil liners. they are just sprayed on iron liners.

These cams are different and could not be used in the 2GR-FE. but there is a 2GR-FXE with cams that could be used in the 2GR-FE and the intake cams on that are pretty big but unfortunately the intake cams won't work in the exhaust position on that motor.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks so you'd have to buy custom exhaust cams or do a regrind on it, huh? Well, it's better than nothing I suppose.

Technically no additional horsepower is attributable to direct injection but exactly as you say, it allows for a higher compression ratio which does result in more horsepower. The 2GR-FKS has 11.8:1 and the 2GR-FE has 10.8:1 so the power difference should be about 1-4% depending on the motor's knock resistance. In this case it's probably about 5hp or so. But this is just an educated guess. The 2GR-FKS has smaller intake runners which will make power earlier and will choke up higher end power compared to the 2GR-FE. But what we don't know exactly is where that "earlier" or "higher end" rpm points are. It's possible that the 2GR-FKS ends up making less power when the same general mods are applied to it, either because it's intake runners are smaller or because it's exhaust runners are shorter. Or it's possible that the 2GR-FKS ends up making power because the smaller intake runners result in a more ideal air velocity match for it's power band and the odd looking integrated manifold ends up with better scavenging characteristics. If i had to bet one way or another i'd say that if you're using the 2GR-FKS with an ECU that controls the direct injection you'll end up with 5-10hp more than what we currently get with the 2GR-FE but if you only use port injection and normal high octane gasoline on the motor you'll end up making the same or possibly even less power. E85 would likely make up for not using the direct injection due to its higher octane rating.

I wish I had your drive and energy… Guys like you are what make the world go-around.

Didn’t Toyota engineer this engine with direct and port injection for emission reasons only?

The direct injection is in the head on those. I've never had an FSE apart but i would 100% expect them to be able to be sleeved. Just make sure your replacement pistons have the direct injection cup in them.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks for that info! I have a 2GR-FSE & Want to delete the direct injection, and sleeve it with a 3.7L 2GR-FE Darton kit. I have to tear down first as I bought it a non runner.

neither, it actually has 6 bolt mains.

Wow so it’s a pretty robust motor than ?

Right, I wasn't thinking about that. It makes sense. What are your plans with this car? stock 2GR-FKS or with boost? aftermarket ECU?

@@FrankensteinMotorworks it’s not mine just a customers Plan is haltec elite 2500 and bigger port injectors on flex fuel. Currently working out the wiring as there are a few complex systems to work out to convert from the bosh/ Toyota ecu to haltec. Direct injection has been deleted due to customer not having funds for an ecu to run it and we don’t believe for the price of a motec that the gains are that impressive to use it. Will keep you updated

Myself I currently own two sw20’s one is getting a 40 series 2grfe turbo on flex fuel The other one is getting a built 5sgte

@@nathanappel3494 Awesome, sounds great. please share the power numbers if you're able to at the end of the project.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks will do

The motor is direct injected so it does not need the alcohol to make the best use of the compression ratio. but i'm sure there would be small gains.

Keep in mind, the integrated exhaust manifold ends up taking about half the space there is between the normal exit and the Spyder's firewall. Once you put lower compression pistons in you're just left with slightly longer cams than the 2gr-fe and direct injection but the DI is probably a liability for turbocharging without an expensive controller for it.

ok i just have to ask; what is your profile pic? i saw a Celica front and was interested but upon closer look it has the ass end of a spyder?

Honestly i don't have the answer to this question. someone would have to spend some time going through all the part numbers and comparing them. I haven't had the reason to do so yet.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks. The problem is that mine engine (2GR-FKS, on Tacoma 2019) has a water damage, and I have to replace it...but could not find the same code, only 2GR-FXS and I am wandering are they similar. I am from Europe and here is very difficult to find the same one

@@svetliodenchev8933 oh, i do know the engine block for the 2gr-fks is different than the other ones because of the trigger wheel position so there's really not any other engine you can use for a direct replacement. That said, water damage is usually pretty fixable with just a few parts. what kind of damage?

As far as i know Toyota recommends 0w20 across the board and these new oils are amazing. I would stick with 0w20. I race on 5w20 but only because 0w20 is not available in the oils i use. The bearing wear even after tends of thousands of miles of racing is not even visible.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks soo which oil you recommend for a high mileage 2gr-fe ?

@@Mj3_ed In my experience taking the 2gr-fe and 2ar-fe apart even the high mileage ones do not show any bearing wear that would indicate clearances opening up. Unless your motor is burning excessive oil demonstrating oil getting past the rings i would just stick with normal Mobil1 0w20 oil. The Mobil1 high mileage oil is a good option if you're getting a bit of oil burning.

It is not, the new dynamic force engine is a completely different engine

They drove it into some deep flood water. that happens a lot around here.

I own one a ‘17, and I wish I had bought a 2nd gen. If you can find a nice 2nd gen get that. If you’re set on the 3rd gen, get the manual transmission.

That's the EA60, i have one here. It's actually not ridiculously expensive if you import them from europe

The plastic does not really concern me but i'm going to say i prefer the 2GR-FE over the 2GR-FKS. same with the dynamic force engines, i prefer the one generation before.

@@marclabranche6922 .... ty. I appreciate your comment. Cheers from. CANADA.

These are great engines if you take care of them. The plastic parts when used are very durable.

this was from a sienna. Someone drowned the car and got water in the engine.

This motor was pulled from a car that went for a swim and got hydrolocked. unfortunately the insurance took several days to get around to evaluating the vehicle so all that rain water stayed in the bores and damaged them beyond sensible repair.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks Ah ok. That would explain the rust then. What a shame.

The 2GR-FKS is not a great plan for the MR2, someone has already done it and it actually made less power than the 2GR-FE but the bigger problem is just that the swap parts and ECU parts don't exist for it. The website frankensteinmotorworks.com/ has contact info on it.

Do I have to cut any part of the body for this to work. I do not want to cut any part of the engine bay wall. If not I will be Cruz in the junkyard in Orlando

@@robertchen9686the 2GR-FE in the SW20 does not require any cutting or even hammering. the 2GR-FKS may have clearance issues at the exhaust since the head is much wider with the integrated collector but i do not know for sure.

Ok thank you. I saw your website. Very interesting. I will be looking for the last year of the 2GR-FE with the least mileage. Also preferably one out of a four wheel drive. I understand that they come equipped with an oil cooler.

Thats a 4.0 right?

@@rustedratchetgarage6788 yes

no, the intake ports are completely different in shape.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks figured just been doing research for force induction stuff lol for 2gr fks

You might be right but from what i'm seeing here i think it's just the ever so slightly bigger cams providing all the extra power.

I'm not surprised, the FKS is in the Tacoma which has a huge base of customers so I would expect them to get quite a bit of support.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks ovtune has a twin turbo kit for the tacoma. only about 20 kits out though and they have had issues with supply not on their part.

It turns out Siennas aren't very good at swimming. Someone drowned it.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks

Someone took their sienna through a flooded road and the engine took a drink, this has nothing to do with Toyota's reliability. That said, take a look at the forums, this engine does have a problem with severe inclines. If you use this truck for rock crawling and such it does like to drink a slug of it's own oil and that can break things. This is an issue that 99.9% of owners are never going to run into but if this is your intended use for the truck you'll want to address this before doing that. It can be fixed somewhat easily with a modified crank case vent setup.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks Okay that sounds good I appreciate the reply. I don't intend to use it for any off-roading just light duty on road use. I've heard more good things about Tacoma than bad so I think I'll give her a try. 👍

no, this block was not worth salvaging with the rusty bore. these bores are sprayed on and rather thin.

I believe this is correct for the newest versions of the Alphard.

It's from the Chicago area and for some reason people often like to take their cars for a swim in the 4' deep flood waters covering the roads sometimes.

I replaced this motor at work a year ago, woman drove through water and the tow truck driver got there and tried to start it. Sad thing is that engine would of been fine if he hadn’t done that. The engines stall out before water does damage 90% of the time. Cylinder 1 is always the victim when people try to restart them I do ALOT of hydro locks out here in Chicagoland due to people just being oblivious to puddles

Very useful to know which cylinder is getting affected by the water. I like to do off road trips very deep into the bush with my 2021 Tacoma. So if the engine get flooded , remove the sparkplug from cylinder one and cranking the engine pushing the water out?

Thanks :)

so we getting 400hp outta this now ???

Not likely but i wanted to see if there was any reason in there to do just that

Stacie, I can't post a picture in a youtube reply but the tacoma has a different intake than the motor shown in this video. If you look in your engine bay you'll see the airbox on the left with a big about 3" around pipe going into the motor. If you follow that pipe and look under the engine cover(it just pulls off if you pull it upwards) the other end of that pipe is the throttle body. But with that said, these Tacomas have not been out for very long and they should almost all still be in their 5yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty period and if you've got throttle body problems that should be covered. What issues are you seeing?

I am not seeing or having any issues. My Tacoma is a 2017 TRD Sport 4x4 and I have 26,500 miles on it. I just like to keep it running at its peak performance so that I won't have any preventable issues in the future. I am just thinking of spraying some throttle body cleaner on it so it could clean it and maybe clean the Port and Direct fuel injectors on its way to the combustion chamber.

@@dasianman Since these motors do not have an EGR system there's really not going to be the buildup like older motors used to have. Plus, just as you said, this motor also has port injectors. Those are there specifically to prevent any carbon buildup on the valve from the little bit of oil vapor that does make it through the crank case vent and into the intake. But either way, with the above instructions you should be able to find the throttle body.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks . Thank you for helping me.

6 direct and 6 port injectors

@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks

What is going on Marc, you don’t have a S54 bell housing sitting around? I’m going to report this video to RU-vid!

@@evilthorne hahahahahha

I am sometimes guilty of not having all the right PPE, i'm getting better about that but what PPE are you talking about missing in here?

@@FrankensteinMotorworks gloves when in contact with motor oil

Why is that too thin? I even race with oil that thin. Clearances on motors these days are very different than what they used to be. 5w30 won't hurt it but the big thing about the 0w?? oils is it is impossible to make a 0w?? oil from conventional stock. it has to be synthetic. So by requiring a 0w?? they are essentially saying that synthetic is required without saying it directly since it would violate the Magnusson moss regulations.

Later model FE motors are speced for 0w-20

They already have a turbo kit from D3 Tuning

@@agentoso7582 ya that's nice.

Srsly I'll watch this later :) thanks Marc

Me too!

You can bore them out a tiny tiny bit to get some minor scratches out. Some of them indicate 0.13mm max, some say zero but the 2GR/2AR are all the same material and method so i'd feel comfortable at that 0.13mm for any of them. Note that usually the smallest re-bore is 0.25mm so you'll have to find a shop willing to work within half the normal spec. You an also install sleeves instead.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks well I heard if it got those laser coated cylinders you can't bore them those blocks are junk if the cylinder walls is damaged

@@patpeacock8150 these are just normal iron bores

Honestly normally i'm way better about balancing engines than that and i knew the pivot was off when i bolted it on but i did not bother moving the longer arms to the lower position when I noticed. I wasn't even intending to catch that on video but the camera was still rolling and it was too funny to not include in there.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks It's all fun and games till some underwear or spine gets destroyed...

@@allan80supra keep in mind, the motor is 369lbs and there were some pieces missing and also the pivot was not at the extreme end. It was only about a 150lb lift or so, it was just a stupid awkward position.

@@FrankensteinMotorworks yeah it's the little things in an awkward position that get you, did my shoulder for about 12 months on a upper a-arm bolt trying to rush things.

You're right that the document that the info in the link comes from does not say sprayed on. I swear i saw that somewhere but i might be misremembering. It could in theory be machined then the block can be cast around it but i don't know for sure i guess. i am aware the FSE block is different. I still get this in an e-mail every couple weeks asking if the cheap FSE they got can be made to work. over a decade and counting now :)