Excerpt from "Fabius Bile: Clonelord", by Josh Reynolds. Got the idea to dub this from this post: / book_excerpt_fabius_bi... Music: • Atrium Carceri - Forgo... • Free
Two Ultramarines face horrors beyond their comprehension: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nbqQ2CoEgUE.html A Night Lord dispenses discipline to his crew: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rs2uv9hLKiQ.html Interrogated by a Death Guard warlord: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wKx7b6YX6HI.html Ancient Rylanor's Last Stand: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HisDEqXsJnw.html A loyalist Astartes is brought before the Warmaster: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wpa2nvU6ZLU.html
What Fabius winessed here is often referred to as a "shadow of Slaanesh," an infinitesimal fraction of her unfathomable being. To gaze truly upon a God of Chaos is impossible and incomprehensible.
@@PrimarchLorgar While in a way I agree what about that alpha plus baby who inside a black ship awakened its powers and did a little trolling even meeting the C gods in their realm before deciding to reroll the save to save everyone on the ship?
And he's right. The so-called "chaos gods" are not true gods. That's just a title they vainly gave themselves. They are immensely powerful extradimensional beings, true, but they are not gods. They are formed from the ideas and emotions of mortals, not the other way round.
@@aRandomFox00 This is why Fabius admired the Emperor so much. The Emperor too felt like if you just pretended chaos didnt exist and forced evrryone in the galaxy to be an extreme atheist then the gods would just dissipate 😂
@@aRandomFox00 That’s much like what Magnus believed. Though humans would have defined such entities as gods in more ancient times, humanity advancing and getting stronger only makes the Chaos gods seem weaker. The Warp was the final frontier. Frankly I think humanity learning about Chaos was the best for the long term. It probably would have corrupted a lot of people, but the more people learned about it the more they’d realize how much control they have over it, which would weaken Chaos a lot more than being oblivious to it. It’s almost like an allegory of how emotions are a valuable servant but a terrible master. Rage, inquiry, apathy and desire can be useful, but don’t let them control you. Sorry if this is long, I just really enjoy philosophizing, especially with a good fictional universe.
@@aRandomFox00 But one could argue that the definition of "god" is entirely the same as "immensely powerful extradimensional being." Thus making them gods. Really, it all depends on your definition of the word "god," and definitions can often be subjective.
looked at slaneesh in the sky got a heart attack and painful migrains and several organs failures but just took some cold flu medicine and said "must have been the weather" WHAT A CHAD
That's the thing isn't it? In a very real way, that's exactly what the Chaos "gods" are. Weather. Just a particularly grand formation of warp shit, no more worthy of worship than a hurricane, and bound to rules and dictates that form the very essence of what they are like that hurricane. The mortals with their souls and soul-like constructs make those rules, the Chaos does little more that reflect that back at them. They are, in a fundamental way, nothing. A reflection could hurt you, crush you any number of ways, but it's still just a reflection.
@@AGenericFoolNah, Fabius isn’t even close to the top 100. Like, top 2,000,000 (counting every space marine currently alive, and not any others [like Belisarius, Guilliman, Lion, etc]) at most.
I love that Bile refuses to accept daemons and gods as sentient beings, instead claiming them a mere reflection of sentient minds, so hard that they actually weaken around him. This excerpt is from the second book of Fabius' trilogy - Clonelord, but in the first book - Primogenitor, we see a scene where Bile and his crew need to make a short warp jump with their gellar field down and Bile insults and taunts a greater daemon of Slaanesh, a keeper of secrets specifically, and the chirurgeon alone stops the daemons blows with Bile standing there arms open like Tony Stark, talking shit to the daemon. If things were balanced as they commonly are, that blow should've gone straight through the chirurgeon's thin limbs and then straight through Bile slashing him in half, even in his armour, but his refusal makes a massive difference in the strength of the warp spawn around him. Tldr: bro has weaponised atheism.
Im not a lore expert, but i do get the sense that when demons are being shot or slashed, the weapons themselves are less relevant than their wielders belief that its making a difference.
Such a good scene. You root for Bile's sheer brass balls for saying, not quite to Slaanesh's face, that he denies Its existence. But at the same time, you get a sense of how small he is. He's not weak, but as he's asserting his rational mind's power over the god, his organs are failing. The being he doesn't believe in is about to kill him, and it hasn't done anything but smile, its name hasn't even been spoken. The Quaestor says nothing but one word to concede that he isn't weak, doesn't scoff or raise its voice at his blasphemy, because Bile is the only one who doesn't see how absurd his denial is.
Asserting his rational mind? Or asserting his BELIEF in Slaanesh's non-existence? There is a reason why a simple unarmed clergyman can take on a chaos demon... AND WIN.
Because that pride and delusion is Slaanesh at its most pure. He is willing to deny his own senses to preserve his ego, ready to die just to feel like he’s the one in charge. The gods admire that level of delusion.
It's a spawn of Chaos named Greed-Sloth that manifested into our reality. It's utterly worthless. What it symbolizes holds more power than it does. It is absent of nutritional value, inadequate tensile strength, negligible medical applications, etc. It isn't even desirable for improvised asswipes lol
@@InVinoVeratas .....well, he didn't intend it, but he DID dabble with it the warp and its gods while making the primarchs. Now if he used Perturabo's approach it would have turned out very differently. Of course Pertruabo wouldn't be Pertruabo if Emps batted an eye. It is a "Damned if Do, Damned if Don't" situation for him.
Which makes it hilarious that they are just the most awful and brutal characters in the setting. Shows that the original vision for the imperium wasnt really all that to begin with.
Also fun fact about Fabius Bile: even though he sided with the ruinous power, he still doesn't believe in the chaos gods themselves. Heck, he even refuses to believe daemons exist. He sees daemons as some sort of mutation or deformation.
@@Mr._Galaxywide The way I always saw it, Daemons feel pain near him not because he doesn’t believe they’re Daemons or anything, but rather they feel pain around him because he knows exactly what they are: Minor extensions of highly powerful beings from a chaotic dimension. Most of the galaxy’s inhabitants see Daemons as either strange yet dangerous aliens (Tau Empire) or as mystical & evil abominations (Imperium of Man), & the Daemons’ are sustained by this fear & unknowing. Yet Fabius knows exactly what they really are & has no fear of them either, which causes Daemons great pain because they are essentially being starved when around him. At least, that’s how I always saw it.
I quite liked bile in the new book genefather. He came off as very genuine and sincere and it does seem like he actually wants to make the galaxy a better place, at least in his own fucked up way. Also in the book(minor spoilers maybe) bile says that he bulit the "new men" to be better than mankind and be extremely chaos resistant.
interesting idea on chaos. Fabius recognizes that the warp itself is the manifestation of the thoughts of sentient creatures. It therefore is only ever what sentient creatures think and feel of it. It is a fiction that can reach out and touch the author. It by that definition does not have free will, and therefore “is not” a sentient, thinking thing. Fabius on the other hand is sentient as his existence, thoughts, and feelings are all derived from him and nothing else. “I think, therefore I am. They do not, therefore they are not.” He is delving into semantics here but to fabius, meaning is everything.
This is literally how the warp works. There is a demon PoV in Master of Mankind which repeats this. At one point Sanguinius almost banishes a demon by explaining logically how negation of its narrative and refusal to entertain the possibility of its existence prevents it from wounding him. It starts dissolving into smoke until it finally begs Hawkboi for an audience. The lore is remarkably consistent, largely because this is how demons work within the paradise lost book series (which 30/40k heavily borrows a lot of stuff from).
Bile flat-out rejects the concept of daemons' existence with such unyielding stubbornness that, because of how the Warp works, it actually _weakens_ them. It's like he's refusing to believe in their existence so hard that it literally makes them _exist less_ when they're in his presence. Absolutely astounding, this man.
No he knows they exist. He just doesn't believe they are thinking beings or gods. And they aren't. They are solidified trauma, suffering and anguish. Remember the war in heaven and it's aftermath killed off more than 90% of the Milky Way galaxy more than 60 million years ago in the lore. The chaos spawn is what you get when you flood every river in Europe with dead bodies basically. Clogged as fuck and prone to surging flooding and churning like a massive blender.
@gamesandthoughts2388 In universe Slaanesh is all powerful. Deleted the majority of the galaxy and turned it into literal hell. Slaanesh alone turned the entirety of a 64 million year old race into hell.
I vaguely remember an excerpt of Fabius talking shit to some Blood Angels about how Big E would DESPISE his current situation and what the Imperium has turned him into: A Religious Icon. It was in one of James Swallow's Blood Angels books.
Fabius' logic holds up if you think about it. Slaanesh - and all C Gods - were created by the species of the material universe. Their emotions and actions. From Fabius' perspective he (and trillions of other souls) simply created some vast abomination in the warp. Powerful, yes. But not a god. For a god creates their subjects, not the other way around.
@@funaccount7665I mean this is 40K we are talking about. Warp madness can be used to write off pretty much everything without actually having to even stretch.
Despite being a traitor to the Imperium and turning away from the Emperor, Fabius still remembers the Great Crusade he was part of and the Imperial Truth all Astartes stood by.
Slaanesh is suppose to embody the desire of those who look upon them. The fact that Fabius sees swirling stars and cold moons...makes me wonder *what* he truly desires. My best guess? He wants to be vindicated in his belief there is no divine, only his own genius. However, I can't really say. I'm always fascinated by the servants of the ruinious powers that claim they don't serve them.
He wants a world free of chaos, free of blind zealotry and where the mind is free to explore and innovate. Not too dissimilar to what the Emperor wanted.
It's crazy to say, but Fabius still believes in the dream of the imperium. A dream void of gods and demons built on science, the Emperor's vision for humanity. @@TheThing4444
He pretty much the only guy still following the imperial truth from 30k. Not that that's necessarily a good thing or not. The Emporer was not a good person either, comiting genocide and xenocide.
@@joevines3428Bit of a rant following but I want to say my take Good person and "was doing the only things possible to keep humanity alive" are different things Was the Emperor a good person? No Was the Emperor doing things that were necessary to protect humanity? I think so Correct me if I'm wrong but some xenos were allowed sanctioned status even within 30k such as Jokero. From what we can see, the Iterex (The aliens not the abhumans) would have been granted sanctioned status were it not for Erbus' scheming and the theft of the Anathame And, well, the galaxy of 40k is definitely not a friendly place. Long term peace with: - the orks - The eldar - The tyrannids - Most minor species - Possibly the necrons Are not feasible and directly threaten the long term survival of humanity without some substantive change. There are xenos the imperium could negotiate with, yes (such as the t'au) and IMO the emperor would have favoured sanctioned status for such Xenos...if he wasn't [effectively] dead This obviously also applies to mutants. Look at how many types of mutant are sanctioned and how they WERE treated in 30k (emphasis on WERE) (e.g. beastmen were given whole auxiliary regiments in the solar auxilica and treated on even footing) Basically: I think that the imperium of 40k is an entirely separate beast from that of 30k. In the absence of the Emperor's [admittedly cruel] wisdom, it has learned all of the WRONG things. The imperium of 40k: - Failed to understand why the Emperor told them to be suspicious of xenos (Misunderstanding it as bland hatred instead of self-protective scepticism in a harsh galaxy) - Failed to understand why to be vigiliant of mutations (for it is not because they are "unclean". The imperium interpreted the threat of mutants by the result instead of the cause. As in, in more plain terms, the servants of chaos are often marked by mutation BUT not all mutants are servants of the dark brothers) - Failed to understand The Emperor's oppression of religons (Failing to see how misplaced faith is Empowering the dark gods) and much more ...at least IMO TL:DR: Emperor was doing terrible things, unjust things, for the greater good With the logic that the Ends (The survival of humanity) would justify any means
Fabius is also one if not the last follower of the Imperial truth and has a pretty good point about the state of the Imperium as is his quote that emperor would not want to become god/worshiped 10/10 Space Mengele
Demons claim not to be addicted to their "gods", yet when deprived of their influence it's suddenly "No, let me out of the quiet box, I'll die without the gods!" These addicts really need to get their lives together
@@NostalgicOccultist Isn't that because they are more or less literal fragments OF those Gods? And without that tether to them, they do wither and die in a very permanent way?
@valeon7303 the silver knight of Slaanesh: a Grey knight who was able to breach the Palace defences, but dropped to one knee as soon as he saw the Prince. Fabulous Bile: "Am I supposed to be impressed?"
He transfers his brain in young clones of himself (with perfect hairline), but everytime, a little bit faster than before, the genetic flaw comes back (with recessing hairline and tumors and stuff) and weakens him until he has to move to another body again.
When you understand what Chaos truly is... one would be right to say "there is nothing there." Chaos is a reflection of our universe. All of the thoughts, feelings, emotions, actions of countless trillions of beings all feeding into a handful of more clear and vivid reflections. You stare at them, and they stare back. You are captivated, enchanted, horrified, curious, disgusted... but then you realize you are simply looking at yourself. There is nothing there. Only a reflection of what you are.
Fabius calls out Chaos for what it is - a meaningless echo of sins past. A purposeless storm, a blind beast seeking only to feed itself as much as possible before it drives itself to extinction. A thing of power, but so is a hurricane, or a supernova, and such things are not gods. He recognizes that Chaos only has power because people allow it to have power. They look in the mirror of the universe, broken and warped by the War in Heaven, and cry out "THIS IS THE TRUTH!" Fabius looks and sees nothing but shattered glass given the illusion of sentience by the sheer number of people who look at it.
What Fabius winessed here is often referred to as a "shadow of Slaanesh," an infinitesimal fraction of her unfathomable being. To gaze *truly* upon a God of Chaos is impossible and incomprehensible. They are living archetypes; concepts given sapience and form.
Concepts are ideas not sentience, Emotions are fleeting and transient. As much as that galactic tumor masquerades as sentient it is a slave to its own concept and emotion that it feeds off of actual sentient beings it has no purpose other than to feed and grow, it doesn't think beyond its capacity to eat its hardly even a animal more akin to a bacteria or tumor that has gotten out of control and needs a good excising. It doesn't think therefore its not.
@@HappyHog11that's been retconned out. The Chaos Gods are supposed to be incomprehensible by any mortal mind. To see their shape is impossible and would drive someone to madness
@@Guille2033this reminds me of an interesting video on yt that argues Lovecraft stories do not work in film when you SHOW the cosmic horrors, as the entire core of the thing is that the human mind is driven crazy even vaguely being aware of them, let alone seeing them. It was a good point.
I adore the sonorous menace in the voice of the Quaestor when it said it was always there. And that sorcery is so crude to it, that simply seeing reality as it does is comparable to great sorcery.
Lol that's like saying Night Lords are devoted to chaos, because they wear chaos stars sometimes and have spiky armor, when they openly abolish the gods and dedicate themselves fully to their own entertainment and needs.
And Fabius is exactly right. That's all they are the stubbornly clinging to existence trauma of long dead species turned interdimensional parasites and thieves
In retrospect yeah but your talking humans who have some sort of need for faith (not all mind you) and Lorgar kinda threw that out the window. Also Lorgar got his ass beat by the younger self who was actually a nice guy when he wasn't in one of his borderline personality episodes. It could have been handled better by telling people about chaos and explaining the imperial truth was an effective way of detering it. Then again getting into the black library in the webway also has a means of detering chaos as well but I digress.
Slaanesh themself: stares at Fabulous Bill and starts wrecking his body Fabulous Bill: chugs two red bulls and says "nope, nothing there but space farts!"
I think an interesting one for you to do would be the conversation Vorx has with Captain Dantine. Would be an exercise in range jumping from something cold and calculating to somebody shitting their organs out in fear.
There is something deeply fascinating about Bile's atheism. To him it's not just a belief that there is no higher power, it's an unflinching conviction that any kind of power that may or may not exist in this world is not higher than him. He doesn't deny the existence of gods, he denies them their divinity. Which is metal af
What people miss about this passage isn't that Fabius isn't denying that Slaanesh _exists_ but that Slaanesh is worthy of being acknowledged as a _god._ Or even being acknowledged by a name. He denies their "jurisidiction" over them. And that's not as insane as it seems, because the Chaos Gods draw power from recognition and ceremony. They do draw power from worship. Secondly, it's Chaos's propaganda that they're "Primordial Truths' instead of leeches feasting off of emotions. Other gods have existed before them, so they're not as eternal or as important as they pretend. A "confluence of celestial phenomena" isn't too large of a stretch.
Exactly Fabius is very smart to deny them because to acknowledge their false reality feeds them. They are just warp tumors that should be ignored when possible or fight them when ignoring is not possible.
What difference would it make for Slaanesh to claim his soul now, when he could entertain her so much more alive? She'll get his soul eventually if she wants it, its not like Big E would go out of his way to tucker Fabious'es soul in after his death.
Playing "Hard to get" with without hiding in the Webway and looking right at her is probably a literal first (or a second if GW ever touches upon the lore of the only other Astartes to meet Slannesh in person.)
Nah if you read the trilogy you realise Slaanesh loves this because they love obsession of any kind... and what better servant of Slaanesh than a man devoted to perfecting his craft, utterly rigid in his belief that gods aren't real, and yet does everything that Slaanesh wants? And that's why Fabius is Slaanesh' favorite follower.
To put it into a human perspective. Go get blackout drunk to the point you can't stand or think, absolutely push your limit. And then refuse to fall. Then you'll feel a one 1000th of what Bile felt in that moment
I very much like how the background music (Slaanesh trying break into Bile's mind) dies down after Bile says: "Gods are for the weak. I am not weak." Slaanesh is forced to agree. "No." :)
The best traitors are simultaneously sympathetic, have surprisingly admirable traits, and are equally one and all entirely and completely, lost and deluded. And ya kinda feel sorry for em even as you admire their feats.
Ancient, great powers call out in judgment: "Fabius, even the Gods grow wary of your crimes, thus their judgment upon...." -Bile: "the fuck? Is there a draft in here? Meh, it must be my imagination. Oh well, back to work 😁"
Because what he did is not mere atrocity. His greatest crimes in cosmic scale is shit like recreating Primarchs, violate some deepest cosmic law of the souls
Fabius Bile might actually be the most vile mf in the 40k canon. He’s turned entire worlds of creatures into horrific abominations, like Slaneesh and Nurgle put together. He’s also basically omnicidal .
slaanesh: “bro, plz accept me as your deity.” fabius: “zzzzzzzz-oh, you were talking to me? i didn’t know you existed. now fuck off and let me make my abominations.”
Makes you realize why some of the legions and primarchs fell. People say oh its dumb that they would turn to Chaos, but being a superhuman doesnt make you a saint. Everything superhumans will do will be super, be it for good or evil. Giving delusions of extradimensional power to beings of demi god levels of ambitions, anger, hate, hubris, etc. Would definitely lead some of them down this path. The Astartes are the best and worst of humanity taken to the nth degree. Think of all the outright monstrous things some of the "greatest" humans in history of done. Chaos is one hell of a drug
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Fabulous may be a shit boot, but he is one I can some what respect. Man spent 10000 in the eye of terror with his primearch turning into a giant four armed grape snake, his legion mutating to looks like reject ceneobites and glance rockers and literature fing demons pop in on the regular and he has the balls to look into one of the beg fours faces and Go " lalala I don't see you your not real"
