FAKE Windmaster vs. The REAL Soto Windmaster!

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You all know how much I love the Soto Windmaster, so when I saw this virtual COPYCAT on amazon, I had to pick it up and check it out! Let's see how it compares.
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@BeSeeP Год назад

Long term performance is key with copycats. They typically fail sooner because they cut corners.

@echobenav8 Год назад

Thanks for continuing to find stoves interesting enough to review. Appreciate all the work that goes into these. I think it's worthwhile to review these 'copycats'. Quality is worth paying for but backpacking gear can be very expensive and inaccessible if you only go with name brands. Your reviews are helpful because they show what's worth paying for and what to avoid.

@thomasmusso1147 Год назад

True. There are Brand Names out there who appear at times, to rely on 'The Brand' to justify Cost. A case of 'what the market is prepared to tolerate'. In this case, similar / copy cat products are perhaps worthy of consideration.

@martenthornberg275 Год назад

Big name brands also do copycat stoves. The MSR PocketRocket (made in China no doubt) is also a copy of the Soto Windmaster and people don't mind reviews of that. It's good that he mentions it's a copy so the innovator gets credit, but it's also nice to know if this is a decent option for those who can't afford the real stove. As the test showed they do not perform the same after all, so the comparison might actually help the original sell more than the copycat! And the Windmaster has been around for over ten years now, at some point it will be fair for others to copy the design.

@alexk1486 Год назад

I have this stove, it's more Pocket Rocket Deluxe with the Soto arms than a copy of the Windmaster. My own testing (I can only speak for my experience) puts it around 4g/min full blast in ideal conditions. I expect that out of almost all compact backpacking stoves. In actual usage, way more reliable than the BRS - very little sputtering in wind

@brian1674 Год назад

Yup!! Just bought this stove off AliExpress and love it!!! Awesome!! Glad ya got it Ernie! I suggested it few weeks ago to ya,not sure if ya saw the comment or not..I’ve only ever used the quad sided stand instead of the tri stand anyway…I’ve read that this stove is the exact top to the windmaster and the bottom half of the pocket rocket

@FlatCatGear Год назад

Copycats are a difficult topic. You could say that the MSR pocket Rocket copied the Soto WindMaster. A lot of people love the Solo wood stove stove even though they copied the Bshbuddy stove. To me, I will stick with the Soto WindMaster: it exudes quality, has great performance and there has been a lot of miles on that design. My 2 cents.

@williameddy7217 Год назад

Thanks for your time making these videos about outdoor and survival equipment. I don't buy copycat products but it's still cool to see the difference between them. Health and Happiness to You and yours.

@Doc_Watson Год назад

Keep doing these videos. It's good to know that it's not as light or as fuel efficient. That's a deal breaker sometimes and could out weigh the cost benefit.

@thomasmusso1147 Год назад

Yep, if one is prepared to use and keep the stove indefinitely, the benefits will absolutely outweigh the the original cost.

@that_which_is_not Год назад

Interesting, I think you’re justifying the reasoning for waiting a little, saving up and buying the Soto. I’d have to agree as a Windmaster owner here, I expected nothing less than a flawless victory from the trusted beauty! ✌️

@ewengillies9826 Год назад

And I'm sure the quality of the Soto would be far superior. I love mine. Still it's good to have comparisons. Bushyboy Oz.

@33sosa85 Год назад

Just going to point out, the Soto Windmaster weighs 3.1 oz with the 4flex, only when you attach the 3flex does it become 2.3 oz. So the Campingmoon Xd-2f weighs 3.2 oz and they are about the same. Also, how much gas control were you doing for both? it would be very hard to gauge any meaningful comparisons without knowing the gas settings. I have the MSR PR Delux but im going to switch to the Xd-2f because its like a Windmaster Top and Pocket Rocket bottom. Also since it has 1 silicone ring it can accept adaptors, which I don't know if Windmaster can do. I did see on other sites that the 4flex and 3flex are interchangeable with the Xd-2f.

@michaelsigala8275 Год назад

Keep doing what you're doing. The info you supply has value.

@duncdunc76 Год назад

Another great video as always👍 My personal philosophy is to always buy the original maker equipment if I can afford it and it's fairly priced for what it is. I also completely stay away from patent infringment/stealing if it's possible to find that info out. I personally believe in rewarding innovation. And completely copying is not innovating imo, and if done during patent protection, it is a form of stealing imo. However after patent protection has run its corse its fair to say that many copied products can serve a beneficial purpose in many use cases especially In the realm of affordability.

@rodoutdoors Год назад

Appreciate all the details like fuel consumption. Thanks!

@loripage5477 Год назад

Many thanks for this. Is really interesting. Looking at where the burners screw onto the gas canister, it looks as though the Windmaster has two sealing points, whereas the copycat has only one?

@MrTomasekk Год назад

I ordered this stove (Campingmoon XD-2F) a week ago and still waiting for it. Initially I wanted to buy Soto Windmaster, but here, where I live, I was able to buy it for 80 USD or more. So I was looking If there are some other options (with built-in "windscreen", pressure regulated valve), I found this XD-2F stove for 30 USD on Aliexpress. Saw it in different review and knew it will consume a little bit more fuel than Soto. I was really struggling, because I would rather support Japanese company than a Chinese rip-off... But the difference in price "made me" to buy XD-2F stove as I know that I will use it occasionally. If I would use it really often, I would go with Soto...

@BillBranscome Год назад

I would probably buy the knock off simply for the price, but I also don’t use canister stoves to much. I have one made by Olicamp I really like and use as a backup. I prefer my alcohol stove and wood stove when I’m camping, and my alcohol stove I use every day in my rig to cook breakfast and lunch.

@kengarland2181 Год назад

Keep up the great work! Please don't stop !

@trentwalters Год назад

Always love your channel keep them coming

@starlingblack814 Год назад

Thanks Doc for the review. I enjoy the comparison videos and think you should keep doing them. I do love it when the original outperforms the knockoff.

@melchurch3019 Год назад

I enjoy the comparisons so I can make an informed decision when looking at backpacking stoves. I've always used alcohol stoves but recently bought a MSR Pocket Rocket on sale from REI. Convenient and very fast. Your videos have been helpful and fun, thanks.

@danieljones2183 Год назад

Love the comparison tests. Keep it up.

@fatmanfaffing4116 Год назад

Mate! You're the 'Stove Man'! It is your duty to keep us in the loop and keep the stove makers honest. Period.

@robertmaxwell3220 Год назад

Your integrity is always appreciated.

@Hockeyfan9884 Год назад

It took me months and months to get my Soto Windmaster. I just tried it tonight, as to compared my many other " knockoff " crapola stoves. I love that stove, and I am glad to have found your awesome and informative channel. Thank You.

@DL-ij7tf Год назад

Why did it take you months to get a Windmaster?

@fanliqu872 Год назад

Thank you for making this video, really helped me!

@michaelthomson5101 Год назад

Love it, keep em coming.

@cvkealey Год назад

Regarding the pot supports, the SOTO ones (4-flex and tri-flex) will fit on the CampingMoon stove, but the one that comes with the CM stove will NOT fit the Windmaster. I haven't got the calipers out to measure them, but there's just a slight difference in the height/shape of the windguard around the burner between the two. There's also a difference in the overall height, with the Soto being a bit (~1/4"?) taller, but also about 0.4 oz lighter. So, the CM is just a bit more compact, but heavier (if that matters). Personally, I bought it because as a scout leader, I like having extra stoves to lend out and this seemed a step above the dirt-cheap Amazon stoves.

@per-ake Год назад

It's like a combination of two stoves. the top being the Windmaster and the bottom half of the PR Deluxe as on the position of the piezo ignition.

@user-nt8mt3zv2t 9 месяцев назад

So it is !

@clintknight8307 Год назад

THANK YOU. Just about lost it when I seen this today.

@lamarregister3518 Год назад

I enjoy your reviews. Seeing how the Stoves compare. I make Stoves and it gives me different ideas. Thank You.

@db6283 Год назад

Keep doing comparison s. Thank you for your videos

@poletooke4691 Месяц назад

Could you test the Coleman Powerpack so I can know how much better all these other stoves that you review are against mine?

@a.b.4824 Год назад

I agree with the doc. Support the original, it's the best gas can stove I have. Keep on the awesome work Ernie as long as YOU want to do it. No pressure.

@jlhgrace8284 5 месяцев назад

I've been using the Soto Windmaster, after trying many others, and I like it the most of all the stoves out there. Been using it for many years.

@jtucker4201 Год назад

When buying things that can go boom and lead to a very bad day, I tend to stick with the original since their quality control and testing is (usually) more thorough.

@andrewdouglas5020 5 месяцев назад

Just came across your video , hi from the uk👍as I’m looking at getting Soto windmaster tomorrow. Still am. It’s the best in my view and if I don’t get on with it, which is unlikely, it has a resale value where any knockoffs simply don’t. Keep reviewing you’re doing a good job. Rule Britannia😀

@brianfarr706 Год назад

Good information, I appreciate everything you do. I will stick with my soto. 😂 And yes I remove the 4 flex and /or tri-flex every single time in order to nest it perfectly wi th my other stuff in my pot set up of choice...🎉

@Jimmymag909 Год назад

Will any of these tiny stoves fit in a firebox? Need something other than my trangia as back up burner

@garryjohnhall Год назад

Own the soto windmaster...thinking obout getting this clone as a backup..great review..pouch and case lover here too

@MichaelR58 Год назад

Good video , thanks for sharing , God bless !

@markall8641 Год назад

Besides the pot stand part reminded me of a MSR pocket rocket deluxe. Wonder how that would compare

@patrickwalker6327 Год назад

Have you reviewed the Soto Muka? It looks EPIC for a liquid fuel stove.

@chazphot 2 месяца назад

Anyone know if the the TriFlex from SOTO will fit onto the Campingmoon stove? It seems it would be a little more forgiving than the 4Flex and might work.

@9abe9 2 месяца назад

Did yours smell of burnt plastic when you started using it? Mine arrived a few days ago, and now it smells after being used. I saw some smoke coming from the burner (copycat one)

@jplamb77 Год назад

Hey Ernie,,,, Excellent choice of music 👍,, and another Great video. I honestly have no problem with copycat videos or products. Iam thankful that you call them what they are,,, and we all want; enjoy a Free and Open marketplace. But I Always like to acknowledge and Honor the Original/ Creator. Solo stove took the Bush Buddy design to a higher level,,,one that BBuddy probably would not of gone too. Great Video Ernie,,, You are the Stove Man,,,!!!! Blessings to You and Your Family,, Joshua

@kenrobertson7053 Год назад

Hi Ernie. I enjoy your review videos. I have both Soto and Kovea brand canister stoves - top quality, and sure, more expensive than anything copied from China. I always have one or two with me depending on the trip and the time of season. My favourite stove though is an alcohol stove and it is a Trangia - all the way, with a (UK) Honey Stove wood burner, or canister stove as back-up. I would rather pay more money to the company that continues to invest in product development than those that simply steal someone else’s designs. Reason two is that I don’t want to be out in the wilds thinking “geeze I wish I had bought the real deal then some cheap clone that has just failed on me”. The Canadian outdoors can be no less forgiving that those of our southern neighbor. Best regards. Ken

@fuffydingo Год назад

I have both too. They look similar but the Soto boils faster and has better flame control IMHO.

@MikesFitnessGoals 11 месяцев назад

My Soto Windmaster leaks gas when the stove is stored (like in your pack or on a shelf). I’ve read of others having the same problem. The two o-ring gaskets sealing the stove to the gas canister are sized for cans from Japan apparently. I’ve lost one Coleman 8 oz. can ($6 usd) and one 16 oz. MSR canister ($11 usd). After that I stopped using it. $65 + $17.. so mine cost $82 plus the cost of the UL pot stand and it still leaks. I’d love to know the fix for this as I like the stove in use. I also own a Primus, MSR Pocket Rocket, MSR Windburner, BSR-3000, an Evernew Ti DX Stove and my 48 year old SVEA 123. I have yet to measure the o-rings and experiment with larger sizes and I haven’t found a solution online. The 16 oz. MSR can was empty after one use and 2 or 3 days on the shelf.

@halvors1 Год назад

You should do a bracket tournament of gas stoves. First to boil wins etc.

@a.ramosakadrumgrl6677 Год назад

I would rather have the Soto Windmaster because it saves alone in fuel. Less cost over the lifetime of the stove! Thanks for this Ernie!!

@jplamb77 Год назад

I definitely like these videos,,,👍👍👍

@Isheian Год назад

I’ve got the copycat. Can’t afford the soto. Budget is a really concern for some people.

@Assking93 Год назад

There is a very interesting stove called AG53 recently, I think you should review it. The stove claim it could burn alcohol and white gas with out modification, and the only video on toutube is a japanese video burning 75% Methanol 25% Ethanol mix, I think maybe it could run on 100% Methanol without issue.

@Kado244 Год назад

I saw this on amazon today haha

@Tfaonc Год назад

That's a lot more fuel consumption. Very good to know

@kevinb3812 12 дней назад

It seem to me that compromises in quality in this department, something that could badly injure you if it fails, is not where I want to go. If it was a pair of pants there's a lot less to lose if things go bad. I'll stick with the Soto and MSR stoves we already have.

@jetodeocampo9072 Год назад

There is another stove that uses a triflex stand and fits this campingmoon stove...there is also another version of this campingmoon that has no piezo igniter

@mattmahood6739 Год назад

That stove is an MSR pocket rocket deluxe bottom with a SOTO windmaster style top.Put all 3 stoves beside each other and compare.

@bigstick5278 Год назад

I bought two of the Campingmoon Xd-2f for the price of the SOTO.. It works and has never failed. It's also shorter than the SOTO not as top heavy.

@Lucitt13 2 месяца назад

I was looking at that copycat stove. After your video, I'll pass and drop the extra money on the real windmaster. Thank you for the time and money spent on this video.

@hypo345 Год назад

Soto for me. I have quite a few SOTO stoves and they have all been brilliant. Not a fan of “facsimile” gear, no R&D costs and then undercut with the price. Interesting to see these products tested though.

@residentweavil233 Год назад

uk pricing is weird almost the inverse ---- legit soto 4flex 49.99 copycat is 71.56

@jaspurr6173 Год назад

It looks good so far, hey! Leave the the case at home, just put it all in a Ziploc and you are done.

@thomasmusso1147 Год назад

👍👍👍 Quality has a 'value for money' of it's own as your test showed. Yes, please .. keep with the 'copy cat' reviews. This will give watchers of your channel the ability to make informed decisions based on objective comparisons. It appears that the Soto has 'under the skin engineering' that the copier has been unable / unwilling to emulate. Me? I'm inclined to go with the 'real McCoy'. Unless though, the so-called copy cat is such an improvement over the original with design improvements that it becomes a no-brainer. A good one .. thanks for sharing. Take care ..

@americafirst5453 Год назад

I'm a carpenter and weekend hiker I cook lunch on my wind master every day love it.

@rone7927 Год назад

That is a lot of difference between the amount of fuel used. I would buy the soto based on this alone!

@ipedros7 Год назад

I think you ought to continue such reviews. If the copycat product is not good enough, people get the chance to know in advance. If the copycat is remarkably similar in all areas, then the question is how much extra is justifiable for the original research and design before they ought to slash prices down (or just not increase them and let natural inflation bring the real terms price down). If the copycat is better, then does it mean it employed its own research and justifies its place totally? (albeit perhaps ought to pay its dues to the original design in any licenses)

@browsman2328 Год назад

Keep doing the knock-off vids Ernie, you like stoves, we all like stoves, we are a brotherhood of stove nuts,

@andymytys Год назад

I am not a fan of Chinese knock-offs. Having said that, many people do not know they are knock-offs. Personally, I like the fact that you review these stoves head-to-head against the real thing, make it known that they’re a stolen design from another company, and show how inferior they are. I would suggest that when a stove burns more fuel, you mention how many two-cup boils it would take for the cost savings to disappear due to increased fuel needs. At $7-8 for an 8 oz fuel canister, the savings go away quickly, esp. with something like the BRS 3000T.

@kenneth6731 Год назад

Thank you again. If you have the opportunity, check out the vintage "Taykit Pocket Stove" I just found one. It's mind blowing. I hope you get the opportunity to check one out and enjoy it as I have.

@awatt Год назад

It looks frightening! I want one

@brndumsvandrehistorier3486 Год назад

I wonder why you use the words fake and copycat on this stove. I dont recal you doing that when you testet the MSR pocket rocket deluxe. I think the the Campingmoon is a rip-off of both the above mentioned, and yes, probably not performing as good as the original. But compared with other burners it actually outperformes a lot of them. Although i not agree with all your opinions i always enjoy your videos 😊 Keep up the good work

@Ciptakarya172 11 месяцев назад

Its Campingmoon XD-2F vs Soto WindMaster

@fookingsog Год назад

Just got the Soto (authentic!) off Amazon. And the case? PSH! Just 3D Printed a custom sized screw together cylinder hard case with a built-in carry loop, which I can put a piece of paranoid through and clip it on to a pack!!!

@Yirgamalabar Год назад

Sounds interesting. Is the design available to download?

@fookingsog Год назад

@OB It's a design which I originally downloaded from Thingiverse, but then imported to Tinkercad, added a circular SVG text to the top cap--"SOTO WINDMASTER". I then re-downloaded as an STL filetype into SuperSlicer and figured out what the custom scale size should be to perfectly fit the stove and printed it!!! Do you do 3D design and printing???

@Yirgamalabar Год назад

@@fookingsog I print, but don't have modeling skills. I only do minimal scaling and slicing modifications. Maybe add it back to thingiverse as a remix?

@GilbertJagot Год назад

I'm not an IP lawyer but the copycat companies might have some kind of licensing agreement where they can legally do this. Of course that's probably not true but you never know.

@markperry222 Год назад

If Amazon is selling them, and lot of people are buying them, I don't think you are giving them more oxygen. In some cases you may actually be taking oxygen from them with an honest but not so good review. I would also argue that cheap copy cats will drive Soto to raise their game, and release a new product sooner than they might have done.I have seen this happen with other products before.There is one more arguement, If Soto is a $60-70 stove, a $35 dollar stove will not be taking away sales for Soto, a $35 dollar stove will be taking away sales from other similarly priced stoves.

@BMacW650 Год назад

Pocket Rocket Delux is a true rip off of Soto Windmaster. This burner itself is a copy of the MSR, and the pot stand copied from Windmaster. I have all three, I prefer this one for the pot stand, and how it's shorter than the windmaster, so it fits in more pots.

@Ian.. 2 месяца назад

I’m not a fan of copycats either, because it discourages innovation by the original manufacturer and often incentivises cheaper, lower quality manufacturing.

@benterwellen Год назад

I like the lower cost of the copycat stove, not concerned about weight….

@richardzak2140 Год назад

Hello Ernie. This is another video of you get what you pay for. If you think about it, the cheaper stove is going to cost you more in the long run. Don't be fooled. Quality comes at a price and in most instances is worth paying.

@nycbike73 Год назад

I will stick with the Soto

@skylerphoenix8880 Год назад

Earnie - if you already know the copycats aren’t going to be as good, don’t give them a platform.

@steverusso177 Месяц назад

I will get the real deal Soto.

@silvermeng1701 Год назад

i like copycat

@brian1674 Год назад

Always gonna be another company to make something….my opinion if buying from sources that are made in other countries which most stoves are might as well get one that costs less than half the price of name brand RU-vid pushed items if basically the same anyway….even if couple oz heavier,doubt the weight difference will drag your arm off! Lol