Fireproof | Say MovieNight Kevin 

Plot Twist: Adult Adoption.

Exactly, it is not normal to put holes in the wall or destroy things because you’re mad. Learn to be an adult. Use your words, breath, communicate.

@@bettyjojoeharperre-imagina7322 duh

Exactly! I said: In a regular movie or an afterschool special, the next scene she'd be applying make up to cover a black eye

Even Cartman's advice on how to yell at a female is more convincing.

Noticing a pattern with Kendrik Bros. movies where the man expresses his anger through hitting things.... Also the classic 'fight stance and "Excuse me?!"' response to correction...

Yeah, he was obviously going to say "jerk".

+Fred Jones No, he was clearly going to say, "nagger". What? Not a bad suggestion. He did just say she was “nagging" him...

YOU DISRESPECTFUL...WITCH!!!

I figured he was going to say "bitch".

@@melissacooper4482 I was thinking "fucking" lol

Gotta get that +4 content rating on MovieGuide and make it accessible for the entire Christian family 😂

Seems more like a movie about money, not pornography

They can show a porn pop ad, but refuse to their actors say porn?

Adler true that marriage can't magically be fixed in 40 days, but I still think a joint checking account might have helped...

Adler Davidson That’s like saying humanity can’t be saved by one man’s blood.

So true, the idea that very bad marriages should always "work it out" is a pure fantasy. The husband's character is extremely selfish and emotionally abusive, so they have two options: marriage counseling or divorce. Notice how they take neither route, and the wife gets treated like property instead of an equal partner.

I just remarked to a friend recently how we always seem to want a formula for things rather than a relationship. The Israelites wanted a king to tell them what to do rather than a relationship with God. The Pharisees focused so heavily on the law, they missed the relationship with God, that Jesus was presenting. Today, the church has all kinds of books giving us a formula for things. I think that's why some things in the Bible are spelled out and others are more vague. It's because God doesn't want us to get caught up in formulas for righteousness, and instead, rely on Him for guidance in. every situation. He knows we will mess up and that's where grace comes in.

@@Musicalowl12I know this is 3 years old but great comment!

Oh good. It sounded like something else.

It does, doesn't it? XD

hose stretcher is an imaginary piece of equipment you tell a rookie to go get. We have the same joke in the production industry, "a cable stretcher". There is no such thing, and it will never be invented because it would damage the hose/cable. Its kind of like telling a new employee to go get something out of "the attic" or "basement" when there is no attic or basement.

Yeah they did the same thing to my brother when he started, but actually thanks to this movie he knew what it was lol 😅

We got places to be!!!!

Though, I ALWAYS have time for coffee... priorities.

+aurora78 right?! me too.

Oh, no! Call the Kendrick Brothers!

Lol

tbh the husband was abusive in this movie and yet we were supposed to root for him

As someone who has had that addiction, you make an exelent point

You have a point there, although throwing out one's computer (if they don't need it for work which they probably would) isn't a bad start.

I would say it would be better to unplug it and put it away in the attic or somewhere hard to get to instead of throwing it away. That way you're not wasting a several hundred dollar investment that has many other uses. But each person has to deal with it in their own way so if that's the only way it works for them, more power to them.

As a woman who has struggled, I have had no issues. I think that depends on the person and what they expose themselves to. I think in general sex excites people and I think he was 100% right to throw it out because of her commitment the movie isn't about his struggle but about showing his wife his commitment because she was the one hurting and it hurt their marriage. I prayed that our husband threw out his phone to get that moneky out of our marriage and had he had done that it really would have showed me how serious he was to get it out of our marriage. I also think that some people that are addicted are addicted for different reasons once I got married I saw no use for porn or masturbation even when he rejected me sexually. Jesus said if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off and your right eye, pluck it out for it would be better to enter heaven maimed than be thrown into the fire whole. Porm is the most avoidable thing in life. You can not have a tv and not have an internet connection you do not need such things they are just luxuries instead you choose to have access to things without denying yourself and thinking you are right. WRONG. Any Christian person will struggle as we are all excited by sex and seeing someone have sex but you don't have to fall you can gain self control to fight or you can just avoid it altogether but you choose to fall. I don't understand some Christians, they make a bed with sin it and pray not to fall instead of just denying themselves.

Where you do have a valid point in that he could have been trying to show her his commitment to her, this is never addressed in the film. And she was not the only one suffering in the relationship; they both were. They were both missing each other. She was not respecting him at all, and he was completely withdrawn from her. The issue I had with the film is not necessarily that he threw the computer out; that is a small detail. It's that his addiction was very poorly handled in the film. It's almost dishonest how easy it was for him to break it. He never spoke of it to anyone else, and apparently never had another temptation even though he had made a pattern of it. Also, I don't agree with you that you can easily just "deny" yourself from sin. Now taking steps to prevent yourself from falling back into sin is a good idea, but if you were able to just "deny" yourself from sin then why would you need Christ's sacrifice at all? Perhaps in your experience porn is easy to avoid, but I very much disagree. If this is true, then how come at least 70% of men aged 18 to 24 visit sites at least once a month? What about the fact that 1 in 3 of porn viewers are female? It may be easy for you to avoid porn, but that doesn't mean it's the "easiest" in general. I think it is, as you have said yourself, that you do not understand why it is so difficult to break out of.

You speak the truth, friend.

Yes. It’s an unspoken rule.

I am from WI and when we went down south my mom went on and on about sweet tea. I tried it and was amazed.

Sweet tea and coffee. It just is always in the house.

Very extremely true

+Young Knight I was like "What does this random thing have to do with this movie?"

+Happy Mask Salesman I died when he explained his story of the song, I was weirded out when i heard those lyrics

Young Knight R.I.P. *Error 404 Original Joke not Found*

+Happy Mask Salesman awe

The equivalent to the modern day would be the little girl then saying, "If dad's 34, I'm 34 ; D"

Yeah you got a point uh Gavin Kathrine is kinda oh what’s that word

I mean, that’s the point of the movie… they’re both selfish and hypocritical.

I’m wondering how looking at pornography is bad when you have a partner.

Love that show!

Is that a joke? The main character's best friend has way more lines than that and he is portrayed as the, "Solid, Biblically grounded Christian friend." Your objection is quite misguided.

***** I was actually referring to the original poster. However, you started your statement by saying, "Yeah,..." Which seems to imply you agreed with his thinking. However, your point is well taken.

lol being a black person I was like "Ahh darn. She could've had a better character than that", but her character was certainly real.

+pokepokefanfan You think THAT'S bad, watch Do You Believe. :P

Their black southerners, it would be weird if they didn't

Sir Cockaroach hey, you can make a religion out of this

Nigel theDragon Thank you so much! That's really encouraging!

hahaha.

+hotrapmix 🔺

+Say Goodnight Kevin I also read through the full frickin' 40 day plan, and you know what? It actually featured an issue I wished these characters would have done the whole time! They could have used it! They never said how far bad they were in to want divorce! It is really so sanitized that we barely get anything to work off of! Why not? Why not just get counseling? If that 40-plan clearly worked so well, then I assume they couple in question never worked through these issues by themselves.

My favorite movie ever.

Michael Bay would be proud

muggyfox1 I am not going to say Courageous is perfect though. However, it was a step up and their best film to date. I know their 5th film War Room comes out this year.

I agree. Courageous still had its issues, but it was much more enjoyable.

Interesting, I was pleased with Fireproof b/c it was such an improvement over Facing the Giants, but I felt that Courageous was a step backward. Of course, maybe it didn't speak to me as much b/c it was all about fathers (which is someone I'll never be).

It had gun fights.

This is the best part of the show every week.

whenever I see this comment I always think of Fablehaven, tbh. It has a character named Graulas, which seems like a similar name to Ganulous for some reason. xD

Ganulous Goodnight, Kevin.

Say Goodnight Kevin Here is a convenient list of suggested movies. 1. Courageous 2. Facing the Giants 3. Christmas with a Capital C 4. Grace Unplugged 5. Last Chance Detectives series 7. Do You Believe? 8. Believe Me 9. To Save a Life 10. New Hope 11. Saving Christmas 12. Me Again Some of my own 1. What If... 2. The Encounter 3. In The Blink of an Eye 4. Left Behind II: Tribulation Force 5. Left Behind (III): World at War

***** I remember Courageous being good, though I haven't seen it in a while.

Anthony Rose Thank you so much! That really means a lot!

Say Goodnight Kevin No problem! (P.S. The Hot sauce/Mirror dance guy was one of my pastors here in Florida.)

And yes, we poke fun at him a bit, it's all in good taste.

I got an anti porn ad. It's called this movie.

I agree that they do serve some purpose. However, given how long the whole movie was, perhaps they could have cut these scenes shorter?

***** Perhaps they could have. I don't remember feeling like it was too long, but it has been a while since I've seen it, so it probably would be a good idea to watch it again.

Yes, but those scenes are in no way important or necessary to the plot. It's what's called "filler."

+Thomas Wilkinson Sadly sir.......I did too.....

+Lord Bored-A-Mort They bored me. I'm normally a sucker for bad puns so I can't say jokes don't amuse me, but I didn't feel like any of the "comic relief" in this film was funny. It was boring.

Laura Mizvaria Yeah, I heard that too. It's kinda like Mattel trying to invent a hover board.

Say Goodnight Kevin Possibly for next time: Courageous(???)

***** Probably not next. But I'm sure eventually.

:-D Thanks MAN!!!!!

Thanks!

I would say to go ahead and watch the movie and form your own opinions. The money was not portrayed as any kind of key to her heart. If you see the development in the movie, you'll notice that throughout it the main character (the guy) has been saving up for a boat. It was the one thing he just wasn't willing to give up after (somewhat begrudgingly at first, but more whole-heartedly as the movie progresses) he gave up everything else. This keyed off his wife to the fact that he wasn't playing around. The boat had been more important than her before, but now that he'd given it all up for her, she understands that he's legitimately changed. Again, don't go by Kevin's lame, misguided, and overly critical review. And don't go by mine either. I'd say watch it for yourself and decide. (I'm not usually so critical but Kevin kind of upset me with this one. He just wasn't fair in the least with any of this and I'd challenge him to present anything legitimate that I, myself, can't easily refute by taking a closer look at the movie.)

Perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that the situations in the film are contrived and poorly-acted. I agree with the review simply because I've seen enough Christian material of a similar sort that I'm not surprised this movie follows the same pattern. I'll probably see it at some point at a church event, anyway, but I wouldn't be surprised if it follows the same pattern of being if not bad, then at least half-hearted.

Autumn Hobbit You are of course free to form your own opinions, and your point is well taken. Believe me, I view everything very critically and most Christians films are just straight up pathetic. However, I really wouldn't say so about this one. Yes, the acting was in many cases sub-par but so are many, many secular releases. Let's not single this one out because it's "Christian." Also, just in case your weren't aware (It's difficult to detect tone of voice online, so let me clarify that I say this without any hint of sarcasm) none of the actors/actresses in this movie were payed. They all volunteered their time and effort for free. Considering this fact, I'd say the acting is pretty darn good. And overall, the acting was actually very decent. But Kevin hand picked (as it's essentially his job to do) every single bad scene in the movie. It's my assertion that's he's essentially created a "straw man" of the entire film. He's taken bits and peaces of it which were sub-par, misrepresented those pieces, and then thrown the entire movie out. This is simply ridiculous, and quite honestly deceitful. Sorry for the essay, but I can't encourage you enough to watch it for yourself. I suspect you might be pleasantly surprised.

***** Kirk Cameron's claim to fame is that he was an atheist who "met Jesus" and I don't doubt his sincerity - just his understanding. He has embraced the most simple and easy to swallow aspect of Christianity and treats it like the full truth of Christianity when it is really only a scratch in the surface. But complex facts of reality do not sell a philosophy centered around a benevolent creator who wants you to have the best possible life. I understand the reasoning, but that's not what the Bible portrays at all. God is not here for us, we are here for him. That is a lot of trouble for 21 century, western-thinking, post-enlightnment humans to swallow. We are the descendents of people who overthrew almost every single monarchy in the world because man has the right to be masters of their own destiny. As such modern Christianity has become nothing but fluffy, hypocritical, nonsense. Instead of reading and trying to understand the philosophy of our place with God, Christianity has become a checklist of "do this and your life will be good." Christians thrive on slogans like "It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" or "Premarital sex puts you on the used car lot." Repurcussions are obvious - "If you sleep around before marraige, you will never have a happy marraige." They give reason to the vague rules and dogma that it has taken biblical scholars and church leaders generations to even come close to understanding. And why not? Easy answers are appealing. It's the #1 reason why people turn to religion. "Why is there evil in the world?" Because Adam and eve screwed up. "Why can't I sleep with my boyfriend." Because you will become a slut. "Why can't two men marry if they love each other." They don't really, they are just confused. "How was the world made?" In 7 days, by God. The thing is, those simple answers are satisfying enough to build museums and theme parks and movies around - but they don't stand up to the test of reality. What happens when someone who has been a good Christian all their life and believes God has great work for her finds out she has an inoperable, milignant tumor? What happens when her true and genuine prayers and cries of desperation fall on what seem to be deaf ears? Christians movies are so afraid to dig into the dark side of life, that they can't reach anyone except other Christians who just want to sit and go "Amen, brother" in church. Anyone who actually wants to think and examine their own faith, and anyone who simply doesn't believe are left on the sidelines laughing at the circus that is Christian entertainment. I was chapperoning for my youth group when Newsboys announced "God's Not Dead 2" and as everyone cheered, I just sat down and put my head in my hands and thought "Great. This fiasco again..."

Lucky Egg Agreed. This is the thing that irritates me about modern christianity; everyone rejects it, sometimes because it tells the truth, but mostly because it's boring and one-dimensional. There's too much uncertainty when the hard questions have to be asked. And there will always be hard questions in life. Does God hate us if He gives us suffering? Does He hate us if it seems as if He's abandoned us completely? Does He hate us if we want to be happy and are denied that? I myself have struggled with spiritual drought for a few years, and it took me a long while to come to terms with it; partially due to the deep-seated belief that if you don't *feel* God's love, you're clearly not praying hard enough or you're hiding a sin or something. Which is odd, considering Jesus Himself underwent significant spiritual drought during the Passion, and some of the things Job says about God? Not at all modern-christian-friendly. But all of it is truth, and I think that's the problem. Even people who claim to be Christian will readily accept whatever is easy instead of whatever is true.

You okay?

Young Knight I'm talking about how the movie shows abuse. How it stops isn't that simple, I don't think. Not sure how else to word it.

***** oh i think i know what youre talking about yeah its kind of wierd

+MadameSomnambule Yay, I'm a Christian now, all my problems are gone and I'm perfect! :D Sorry to break it to you, but that's not how it works, bro. e_e

yeah you have to work your way through it "have to go through hell to get to paradise"

+TheMovieDoctorful The Book of Eli is one of my favourite films of all time, but sadly, most Christians reject films with R rated content (unless it's the Passion) so it's not counted as a Christian film, though it's message is more Christian than every Christian labelled film I've ever seen.

Lucas M it's a shame because I feel like The Book of Eli is a far better film than the Passion and actually HAD something to say. I love the message about how we live in a world where wicked people will ALWAYS try and corrupt and twist God's word, but even in the midst of all this corruption, we must obey and spread God's word no matter what. Provides a clear distinction between religious authorities who want to actually help and uplift people and religious authorities who use the power of religion to control and dominate.

+TheMovieDoctorful Too many "Christian" movies are aimed at separating Christians from their money. The Book of Eli was reaching out to the lost sheep.

+Ken Prescott I think Transcendence is another one. The Jesus allegories in that film and the very much Christian themes on sacrifice and love and faith are REALLY strong without being over the top.

I'm a Christian, and as much as I love and really enjoy The Book of Eli (I own the dvd), it's not a Christian movie. It has great Biblical illusions, but it's not a Christian movie. Actually, just because a movie can be based from the Bible doesn't make it Christian. And there lies one problem with people demanding better Christian films. People would rather have either an over-the-top fictitious story (I am Legend) or some feel-good story (Heaven is for real) without being exposed to the real Christ (Fireproof, War Room, God's Not Dead 2). Furthermore, less people want the story of Jesus telling them to give up their facebook addiction, or how they may have to leave their 6-figure job for the sake of the gospel, or they may have to walk away friends that although love them but will hinder them from fulfilling what God wants them to do. That doesn't require extraordinary special fx. Honestly, many Christian movies are cheesy. That can be due to a number of reasons. But on the other hand, there are others that are GREAT!! Great storyline, actors, and message.

+Unwise Poppy thanks!

***** dont even get me started on War Room. I dont know a single person that dislikes War Room. I feel like Im the only person I know that thinks its stupid.

***** I just want believers to stop feeling like victims and that I'm criticizing their faith when I don't like a bad film that has a Christian message

+Colby Isham What's kinda funny is that my mom went to see War Room when I asked her why, she said that "we need to support the Christian media". That's when I started laughing.

***** Not if it's crappy.

Besides, the funniest part about that was that in either Kevin's Bibleman: Defeating the Shadow of Doubt or McGee and Me that Kevin said "we need to stop buying this stuff in order to 'support the Christian media'". That's why I found that funny.

It's him when someone says they're gay or believe in evolution

Them making claims based on beliefs of the Bible is good, I'd say. But so many Christian movies don't actually have a correct Bible-based view of what they claim to, and they act like all Christians are sinless and perfectly represent Christ without any struggles or sins or temptations and they make non-Christians look like cunning evil villains who spend their every second of life trying to destroy Christians and not to mention how they make every atheist look like idiots who don't have a clue what they're doing. I know some non-Christians are consumed with hatred for Christians but they have other stuff and aspects of their lives. And I've seen a lot of atheists and non-Christians who are a million times smarter than I'll ever be. I've seen very kind unbelievers too. idk as a Christian I think we should do a better job at being kind and getting our message across lovingly

We should, but I think we're consumed with too much 'religious tribalism'.

Secular movies also follow agendas and sell you a message but I don't know if it's because they're subtle or we are dumb or maybe they have experience that we bought them, I mean a movie is just about telling a story but is the most uncommon thing to find these days in secular and christian movies

Thanks so much!!! I think I remember those. I'll look into them. I bet it will trigger some memories!

Say Goodnight Kevin Funny video. By the way; will you be doing a video review on Courageous sometime? I think that would be good to see.

+cheesecake134 Kinda like that one guy in a lot of books (for example, Crispin: The Cross of Lead). He has secret information... but hey, don't tell our hero while he's there and you're alone and safe! Tell him to come back tomorrow and you'll give him the secret! Don't worry, it's not like someone'll kill you or anything!

You're too kind, Leah!