The reason no flat-earther will describe what shape they think the Earth actually is, is so that they can always move the goalposts. If they produced a map or a model for their version of the flat-earth, then it could be tested and disproven. But if they don't state their position, then they haven't produced enough information to be definitively debunked and can always accuse scientists of attacking a straw-man instead of 'what they actually believe'
@@joemann2178Then show us a functioning map of the flat earth, that matches with reality...if you do that, a Nobel Prize will surely be waiting for you...and you get the recognition you currently lack.
@@joemann2178 Please, as Zenon has asked, draw how a flat Earth is in your mind. Don't show it to us. Show it to other flerfs. Just, tell us when you'll do that. So we can come and have a good time seeing all you flerfs fight.
Pretty much, also a lot of "your observation that you made and have photographic evidence of doesn't say the thing that you said it does, because refraction/vanishingpoint/density/watervapor."
sabine hoffsteader did a great video about this. "Does this mean you don't believe there are beans in a can of beans until you take it home and open it?"
Honestly Flerfs only accept their own observations Yet even if you took a bunch of flat earthers up to the ISS, they'd still probably claim it was CGI or something
@@mattjackson9859 I'm not jabbed and I think the earth is a oblate spheroid! Emotional fear of the unknown drove a lot of people to get jabbed. Same with FEs. A lot of them would be the same.
I used to draw maps using an instrument with aerial stereo photography. It's called photogrammetry. The intsrument had an earth curviture correction when the photographs were taken from very high altitudes. It flattened the edges of the image to represent a true topographic model on the map. If the earth was flat, why do photogrammetric instruments need earth curviture correction?
A Flat Earther would say something to you like, "You didn't do the calculations personally, so you don't actually *know* that the correction is for earth curve. That's just what *they* told you." The person who said this to you would have a high percentage chance of being a Christian, but also have a high percentage chance of somehow thinking this was probably done by the Jews. Seems to be a pretty frequent line of reasoning.
Finally someone is addressing the point I have been wondering for a long time; all the flerfs cry out flatness even from high altitude cameras, but nobody had ever mentioned the assumed endless ice wall at the edges of the visible view.
And you would think that they would try to document the ice wall despite the evil government surveillance near the wall. I often wonder what they actually are trying to accomplish with the crazy mindset. Loonies 😆
How come we can never see that "endless ice wall" from the ISS or any other video made in space? 😂 If you have ever played "Lords of Midnight" or "Doomdark's Revenge" then you'll be able to see an endless ice wall...
@@emilschw8924 You forgot them denying space being real, too. That way they can call all pictures made from space as fake or CGI, so they can't destroy their precious little fantasy world in which they can feel special.
It comes down to "It doesn't agree with my preconceived notion, so it can't exist". When postgalactic noticed the curve after he messed with the image trying to make it agree with his beliefs, (which seems like cheating?) he just chose to ignore it. His response was "I refuse to believe the evidence of my eyes, so it's wrong for some reason I can't articulate". Seems really sad, to me.
Possibly cognitive dissonance? Could be a few other biases too. I think it's worth keeping in mind that all of us can make similar mistakes. Our brains are really bad at this stuff, flat earth is just an extreme example.
It's no point arguing with idiots. You can shoot flatearthers into the orbit and they will either claim, that the windows are TV panels or / and they've been drugged over the air to see things that aren't there.
For most or 'em that's perfect.. But I'd amend it slightly to cover the full spectrum of flattie: "It doesn't agree with my preconceived notion so it must be wrong". This way we accommodate the failed experiments of such flatulents as Bob "15 degrees per hour" Noodle, and Mr "interesting" J'ism, etc, whereby they find post hoc excuses to deny their own results.
Trying to convince a flat earther they're wrong only pushes them deeper into the delusion. The problem is some people just find it impossible to admit that they got something wrong. They would rather double-down on their bias.
Trying to argue with flat earthers is a lost cause. You don't need to waste all that time. Nobody knows that to actually inform a person, you cannot simply refute their points. You need to get them to understand your words in their own context.
The main reason its hard to impossible to convince a flat earther is that they revel in being the victim of a conspiracy since if the majority of the world is working to deceive you, then your not to blame for failing at life :).
I knew a man who was a flat eather briefly, and had a tendency to fall into conspiracy theories. His defense was that it didn’t matter what he said because ‘everyone was gonna say I was wrong anyway.’ These people categorize themselves as separate from everyone else and determine that the world is out to get them. Flat earther conspiracies make them feel smart when they know deep down that they aren’t actually smart, and someone questioning the validity of that knowledge is not only challenging their knowledge, but their ego as well. They’re immature children masquerading as functioning adults.
I have sailed to Hawai'i and around the South Pacific using a sextant and sight reduction tables--- I observed Earth being approximately spherical. At no time did I sail into an ice wall. As for eyes having a distance limit, I have seen stars and galaxies many thousands of light years away. Gosh.
@@Globehoax try to navigate using an equidistant azimuthal map and you get lost easily unless you navigate along the meridians only. Such maps, of which Gleasons' is just a special case with the geographic north pole as the center, are good for only one thing: getting directions and distances correct from the center point to any other location on the map. Between any other pair of points not on the same meridian: not so much. So this type of map projection is favored by radio operators, just with their own location in the center instead of the north pole, that gives them easy information on in what direction, and how far away, other radio stations are. PS: have you read Gleasons' book? Earth being flat is not even the most crazy idea he had, unfortunately ... :o
@@Globehoax "Open Gleason flat earth and see the land layout" The land layout is all wrong. All the continents are the wrong shape and in the wrong position. In fact, in the key of the Gleason Map it says that it's a projection of the globe, which is why the land is so distorted. "all navigation is controlled by a globe propaganda machine. " How does the government control something you can do by yourself?
Beeing a photographer myself, i really like the way you debunk so many flerf videos with simple optical facts, that every photographer has to deal with every day… sorry my english is bad i hope you know what i mean
@@peteskyrunner4845 To be fair to flattards, not one of them has ever actually witnessed a sunset, if only because it's not visible from Mom's basement. Easy to convince them that the Sun vanishes as a dot as it moves away from the (flattard) observer. Nor do they own a telescope, as they believe there's no space, hence no need for one. And no need for math as all they need is the evidence of their own senses, plus common sense to solve any given problem. What delightfully simple folk. And such easy prey for the likes of Dubay and similar charlatans.
Thank you for making this conclusion as well. They have no problem with the idea of an "infinite ice wall" but living on a sphere is just no way... Flerfs are the modern day Jester.
@@SyrinxQ72 They have no problem with "infinite ice wall" because that's a valid shape of their REAL belief: Divine Fishbowl. "Flat Earth" is just a means to an end, that end being "we are right and God* says so, so let us do whatever we want." *The God they believe in bears no almost resemblance to the actual Abrahamic God, by the way, beyond being the guy who supposedly wrote Genesis Chapter 1. After that it's all just conspiracy crap like "God hates facemasks"
It's more common for them to say there's more land beyond the ice wall full of valuable resources and unicorns which is why the evil government is keeping the shape of the earth a secret. Which is just as ridiculous.
Running at the speed of light all day sounds very tiring indeed, which is enough evidence to support your theory. Needless to say that I believe and fully support your scientific discovery.
You should get the Nobel prize by now! That insane amount of speed must be required insane amount of energy and the fact that it's running all day 24/7/365 must be very tiring for the photon. That's make sense!
Ah yes, they've been running since the dawn of time but thousands of thousands of kilometers, but they get tired right when you wanna look at the mountain far away
@@shidqy0003 The guy who is showing the clear curve, but since its still near the midpoint chooses to say his eyes are lying move those bars further out, and the curve becomes not only obvious, but bloody obvious.
You can see the curve, go to the ocean and take a picture of the horizon across as much of the shot as possible. Compress the photo into a vertical strip and you can *clearly* see a curve. Edit: just as demonstrated lol
Agreed. The longest horizon you can see normally shows a curve amounting to about ⅛°. Normally that cannot be detected by the naked eye, but is obvious from a centred photograph with horizontal compression.
Draw a straight horizontal line in photoshop, take a picture of the monitor using a camera, and load the photo in photoshop, now squeeze it into a vertical strip , you have an arc, so does it mean your draw a curve ? 🤣🤣 globe heads, your s t .. pd claim is debunked already. Don't you know that?
If earth is flying at 800,000 kmph, let's say India is flying upwards, then America would be flying downwards, because it's opposite, so after 12 hours India flies downwards and America flies upwards, right? Meantime other countries fly sideways. This is the event that you claim that happens everyday. So as you can see how silly and laughable is this! Right? So sad, billions of people believed on flying ball earth so deep in their every cell, since their childhood, now this sudden truth bothers them deeply, because every brain cell is filled with ball earth, it's the most heart breaking for globers.
Observation was done by Dr John D PhD. 3.5ft view height. Ship at 20.8 miles. Refracted Horizon = 2.47 Refracted Hidden= 191.95 So the horizon can be no further than 2.47 miles "its beyond 20.8 miles, even with refraction you need to account for 191.95ft ? For a 6ft observer on a ball with a radius of 3559 miles the horizon can be no further than 1.22 miles according to the globe maths. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a0j59pX1l3s.html
@@inyobill I love how any two of them don't agree. The fact there are thousands of them and many many different ideas about what the earth is, what shape it is, what space is or isn't, what's at the edge or beyond the edge, what the planets and stars are, and so on, proves they are all talking nonsense. If there was a single provable structure or reality out there beyond the Earth we'd have encountered it by now, even if its a snow dome. Its the same thinking that proves religions are all false because there are so many of them all claiming to be the only true one. The only logical point to be drawn from that is that none are the true one.
@@ShizukuSeiji "... religions are all false because there are so many of them all claiming to be the only true one ...", so we can conclude that we're in pretty violent agreement here? Seriously, until (I'm not holding my breath) one can actually demonstrate its truth, I believe none of them.
It is largely because they simply cannot think logically. You can present a simple logical step to them and they just refuse to understand. And I think it's because they literally can't understand, not just because they are being a holes. They react as a holes, but that is because they seem to realize they are across the Rubicon and don't know what to do.
Went on a cruise last month and the railing on deck had the same setup as the 2 bars in the video. The distance of the window was longer too. I saw the same thing, a difference in height along the span of the "window". I thought that was pretty cool.
Been awhile since I saw a "limit if the eye's range" argument. What I've always loved about it is that if it were true, the higher up you get the shorter your view of the ground should be, so lookout towers and crowsnests would actually be WORSE at spotting things.
Because our personal visible-horizon at any given point in time remains fixed, on a Flat-Earth Model that would indeed make Elevation-for-Spotting a Failed Endeavor because at Best absolutely nothing would ever have changed or been more beneficial in that scenario (or else it would've been Made Worse, as you said). Whereas in reality, here on Actual Earth, elevation still doesn't change the fact that our personal visible-horizon stays with fixed with us, But it does allow that visible-horizon to potentially reach its actual practical-maximum by virtue of Looking Over the Curvature.
Yeah, because atmospheric density isn't a thing, or weather, or light reflection/refraction limiting or ability to see past a certain distance or angular size of objects further away. Flat or globe, these same issues are at play.
@@zefferss those are different than the "limit of the eye's range" argument flerfers try to claim, which is that the eye can see an exact distance and no further and thats why we have a horizon.
@@MasamiPhoenix I don't know what the eye sight limitations are exactly, that would have to be demonstrated, I assume there is a limited range of our eye sight, at least when horizon comes into play. Because you can demonstrate horizon absent curvature, it seems to have perhaps something to do with eye sight limitation or adding to that, all of the above I mentioned as well.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y0Mw7RPcN9U.html Not flat, Not a sphere. A torus or bagel. Created to piss everyone off equally (for an April 1st spoof). Apologies if I have posted it on this channel previously. There’s a detailed backstory, which I won’t burden you with.
@@chrisguli2865 MrSirhcsellor got it in one, though a choice few will go as far as 10,000 years, they are a quiet and rarely heard of lot. I would like to add that many Flerfs are also YECs.
I like that you actually add some new arguments to this “debate.” Flat earth era constantly going on about perspective and lens tricks, but it’s so great to have a photography expert debunking the observation and visual arguments of flathearthers. I think this is actually a better approach than trying to debunk their arguments with simple to complex science because the heart of all of their arguments is “I can’t observe it.” Well done
The guy (username Cori?) who did the original observation went to a great deal of effort to ensure: 1. No lens distortion and 2. That the shot was right in the middle of the sensor and 3. That the picture was square on. He spent a winter house-sitting. Some that time was spent debunking the cake and arse party that is flat Earth. This was just one of his observations. He was doing this just as CoolHardLogic was coming to the end of posting his series of videos.
@@ABaumstumpf He'd pretty much had enough with flat earth before his channel disappeared, and there were rumours that he'd been hit with copyright strikes over music he posted. I guess he just moved on to other things.
I like that this video embodies pure common sense and logic that flerfers still fail to realize lol... others like Sci man Dan sometimes over complicate their responses which obviously no flerfer would comprehend lol with this video, they're just no diputing any info given lol
Or even that flerthers fail to accept, yet no flerfer can agree with another flerfer in every situation. They always change their arguement according to the question asked and use bs theories to explain why Newton's Laws only apply to one part of the "evidence", but not to the rest
Not entirely True. Round Earthers also rely on mathematical models and physics that predict where other objects in space will be based on size and shape of other objects in space, as well as observations that show said objects are in fact where they should be... The planet Neptune was actually discovered in 1846 using said methods.
I can see the moon when it's on the horizon but I can't see Africa from the UK. Africa's angular size is much larger than that of the moon so it should be highly visible. Globe confirmed 🌎💯
I use Denmark from Northumbria coast as an example, The only thing in the way is earth curvature, Even at 1000 Feet above Sea level no matter how much refraction it remains hidden.
@@dogwalker666 I'll tell you another case, with a closer distance: the island of Majorca is 115 miles away from mainland Spain. It is not a flat island, there is a 4500 ft high mountain range, the Sierra de Tramuntana, directly facing the continent. Yet, Majorca is not visible from sea level at any place from mainland Spain, despite clear and luminous Mediterranean skies. I have asked why to several flerfs, but (as you surely imagine), never got an answer.
"You can't assume this with observation alone" is the greatest insult a flerf could use to debunk a test. They themselves ONLY believe in what they can see with their own eyes.
i love that all the FlatEarther arguments against any evidence boild down to "you see! the Earth is flat because is clearly round & Physics only apply when i say so"
i like this guy, he addresses the flat earthers in their own logic, and he does it politely, and not shouting or calling them names. Good on you, Dave!
he just misunderstand a lots of physics and laws.. in his head, your view is not blocked by the distance and the atmosphere pressure outside.. They will try to convince you, there is a curvature by compressing an image XD.. they are as Nasa.. trying to make you believe in their shit globe. it's only a dream.. Elon Musk will not colonize Mars.. let's see who will be right in 10 years.
"This test is nonsensical off the gate it's all based off perspective" How flat earthers deemed the earth is flat: hey the horizon _looks_ flat so the earth must be flat
That one guy also showed that he isn't very familiar with photoshop. There are lots of ways to move his little blocks around without changing their height and having to guess if they're in the same space on the left side bar.
The fact that he turned to Photoshop,in itself, shows the absurdity of the lengths such people will go to. But yes, you‘re right. I think he should have started with MS Paint and mastered that first. Or, maybe even get his mum to let him have some plasticine so that he could construct his own model.
@@sando99 I laughed when he moved his little blocks to the left hand edge and the horizon was obviously lower at that end while the steel bars were still parallel and the same distance apart and he uttered some nonsense when he realised he'd just proven the horizon on the photo was curved.
@@ShizukuSeiji Not to mention earlier with the compress horizontal version of the picture that right had set of bars he considered proof the photo had issues, showed a clear curve on the horizon... despite being from his logic straight on the parallel in relation to the bars and the horizon compared to the left hand set of bars Which kinda goes to show you cant tell if something is truly straight over even short distance with the human eye.. despite Flerfs constantly saying it looks flat...
Look up Atmospheric Extinction. It's not what it sounds like, it's the degree to which the atmosphere interferes with light propagation. Enough atmosphere can make stars appear dimmer, and that suggests there's an atmospheric limit to how far one can see. But that limit requires atmosphere _all the way_ to the subject. To see the sun we only look through a few miles of atmosphere. On flat earth, your view would become more and more obscured by atmosphere as it approached the horizon because you're looking through _thousands of miles of air,_ something you can't do on a spherical earth. So you cannot have a sharp horizon on a flat earth, instead the horizon becomes the "color of the air" and blends into the sky and ground.
You would also be able to notice this every time you go up in a tall building or an airplane. Whatever is obscuring the extent of your vision that isn't the horizon, should prevent you from seeing as far from higher elevations as you can from ground level because there is more "interfering matter" in the line of sight looking at something any distance away from from any elevation than there would be looking at that same distance from ground level. After a certain height, you would literally just see blurred nothing at the extent of your vision. There are videos of what this would look like taken from the top of Burj Khalifa during a sandstorm and you can see X distance from your eyes, but than its blurred beyond that. This field of vision is, of course, spherical shaped. Everything should look like a less extreme version of this in the flat earth model, but of course it doesn't.
Ya, but you put on a mask because science told you there was an epidemic and lots of people were dying. Wait, it was a PANdemic. If you put on a mask and you didn’t see dead bodies laying around… Ya. Keep making fun of people because they disagree.
@@Globeishoaxx yeah, ur right its not trolling, it is being obsessed with a topic until you land in a rabbit hole. I've been there buddy, just quit it.
It’s really sad that in the 21st century, with the technology and education we have such old and genuinely idiotic conspiracy theories are coming up again. Love your videos, always learning new things and i love how you pick their arguments apart and debunk them with genuine and provable facts. Sad they’ll probably never agree with you
@@clebsgaming92Flat Earth itself is a conspiracy amongst those in power to discredit actual conspiracy theorists that have correctly identified actual conspiracies currently operating within the world. I doubt very seriously that any people in history have ever seriously considered the Earth to be flat, even the most pious religious zealots. There’s zero observable evidence of a flat Earth.
@@clebsgaming92 Yep, Christianity has been a detriment to society ever since it caused the fall of Rome. We should seriously bring back Nero's policies on burning it.
It will get worse. Internet is blessing for many. But the downside of it is that now communication is faster than our intelligence. It takes hours to interpret and process an explanation, and days to study something with more details. But only seconds to open something stupid on internet.
@@juzoli very well put together, i‘m writing my finals on extremism on the internet and i totally agree, it makes it much easier to spread misinformation to unknowing and frankly less intelligent people. The evidence presented is mostly enough for them to totally ignore anything else. Such misinformation also always cleverly incorporates seeds of doubt in any serious sources. Truly sad times and instead of moderating such content social media is pushing it to these groups and individuals pushing them deeper into their bubble.
They don't gravity is real. To them, stuff falls down "because it just does, why wouldn't it?," and any attempt to explain why stuff falls down is an overly complicated explanation for something that is common sense.
"This test is nonsense. You are just relying on observation..." Wait, aren't we ONLY supposed to rely on our own observation? Now that those observations appear to prove you wrong, we can't even trust that anymore?
The fact that we do see a clear horizon is in itself evidence that the earth isn't flat, unless of course the horizon is the actual edge of the world, which I haven't heard any flat earther claim. Yet.
The answer to this is the thing that's been relegated to a future video: perspective. To put it mildly, there is a large category of arguments regarding the difficulties of reconciling what we can and cannot see with a flat earth model. Some of this is due to what's essentially magic (the earth and moon and stars). But a ton of this is handled by what Parallax declared as aspects of Perspective. It would be fair to suggest that Parallax invented a system of how light supposedly works that no optics company would touch with a ten-foot pole. But supposedly this answers all these issues of why you cannot see all the way to the ice wall as well as how you see ships sail over the horizon.
Perspective... Or Flerfspective... They try to use the Rayleigh criterion (and a lower acute angle) as perspective for a reason to why you can't see far, (they also try to use the inverse square law) and want things disappear bottom first. (And if that was true, the black swan wouldn't exist.. an even lower acute angle and you can see further)
The earth isn’t a orbiting sphere traveling around the sun as taught. God created a firmament when he created earth and it’s a solid dome as described in the Bible hence why people say earth is flat. The earth is considered round but it’s def flat. Sorry to tell you people who believe what you were taught growing up.
@@bethetienne5066 "The earth isn’t a orbiting sphere traveling around the sun as taught. God created a firmament when he created earth and it’s a solid dome as described in the Bible hence why people say earth is flat. The earth is considered round but it’s def flat. Sorry to tell you people who believe what you were taught growing up." 1. Why do you believe an ancient book written by iron-age goat herders that we know has been edited 100s of times since it was written, yet deny all the knowledge discovered by humans in the last 2000 years? And why the Bible? Why not the Qu'ran? 2. And why would dozens of space agencies and governments lie by making all that CGI footage of space missions to the planets as well as the ISS and other space stations. Why didn't they, in the 1950s just declare that space travel is impossible and not even attempt it?
@@bethetienne5066 you mean the earth isn't a globe like observed in reality... Funny how your book says one thing and you believe it over reality. Two things... Either your book is a big lie or you interpreted it wrong. Whichever one, earth isn't flat. And that's easily proven.
One need to remember that the word «horizon» actually mean circle. Then, it's pretty hard to distinguish the curve of a circle when you sit at it's centre.
Thanks, I didn't know that ... though technically, we've dropped the part meaning "circle" in the original Greek: "late Middle English: via Old French from late Latin horizon, from Greek horizōn (kuklos) ‘limiting (circle)’."
Fairly obvious if you go sailing. The horizon, even from the viewpoint formed by a yacht's deck level forms a circle of 360° all around you. Funny that. It's almost as if the surface of the sea was curving away from you...
How do Flerfs explain that the night sky comprises different constellations in the Northern and Southern hemispheres? For me this is a clinching argument in favour of the Globe model ... but ... those guys just love winging in from unpredictable angles.
I love Flat Earth's comment (long at the bottom). "No one will go there. It's too cold. This is the size of land Byrd says there is. It's an estimate, and we can't know." I don't know why, but this whole thing made me chuckle. I was waiting for "andthenandthenandthen the atomic space cows launched their attack and Gramma transformed into a sandwich which defeated the evil Broccoli people!" Flat Earth, if you read this, you made my day, thank you.
@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting You can go to Antarctia your self, like Thousands of people have... Best Antarctica Cruises & Tours 2023/2024 | Intrepid Travel AU Antarctica Expert - Best Prices - Australia's Polar Experts by Eclipse Travel Antarctic Cruises & Expeditions Quark Expeditions Swoop Antarctica: Antarctica Trips, Tours & Adventures Antarctica tours & travel - Peregrine Adventures The Globe observed, demonstrated, measured, recorded, Confirmed. Flerfs Can't provide a Single experiment, that follows the scientific method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe. Because Flat Earth isn't a Theory, it's a Belief. It's time you realized you're being conned by Flerfs.
@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexistingok well as long as you aren’t a government that signed it and you aren’t planning to build military bases on Antarctica the Antarctic treaty has basically nothing to do with you. Antarctica isn’t a restricted area, you can just go there
Flat Earther: I'm going to prove this wrong by doing an experiment! Experiment Results: "There's a curve!" Flat Earther: Well that experiment clearly doesn't work right. Onto the next!
You haven't been on social media lately, have you? I can't be on TS or twatter for ten minutes without seeing some flat-earth moron throwing insulting memes around and then completely ignoring videos like this one to throw a few more memes with incorrect information on them. Like the claim that Tesla thought the earth was flat. All you have to do is read his papers... Nope, another insulting meme incoming!!
@@erikloganer428 Spent plenty of time listening to flerfs. Way too much time. Most of the ones who've been doing this long enough will barely claim to be flat earthers. They prefer "globe skeptic". When they do make a positive claim and say, "I'm a flat earther", it's generally an aspirational statement, and a virtue signal to other conspiratorially minded "globe skeptics." Then, of course, there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of poes who think they're being clever.
Still amazes me that flat Earthers exist, and they'll want to debate me.. this is such an obvious thing to disprove that I won't debate, what's the point? And they'll be like "hur hur you don't want to debate so that means I'm right," nope it means you believe in something so stupid that I won't waste my time.
The "evidence" that the horizon is flat isn't evidence for flat Earth. If anything it would better support the Earth being slightly concave, since the horizon would have to curve upward to be perfectly level with your eyes.
I love how all you're doing here is describing an observation that we would see on both a flat and round earth... And flat earthers just can't help but say you're wrong, simply because they can't accept that curvature is a thing.
Maybe I missed something from postgalactic's debunk video. His red and white blocks showed that the two metal bars were parallel but he then argued that the line between them, the horizon was not parallel to the bars. The horizon on the left hand side was lower. Surely that is the whole point, two parallel bars with a non-parallel horizon, it dips down on the left. He debunks his own argument.
Exactly, the white block was measuring the gap between the bars (confirming they remain parallel with each other) And the red block measured the gap of the horizon between the bars His confirmation bias just steps in to conclude that the horizon not remaining parallel must be due to a fault with the equipment
One of the main problems with the flat earth belief is that nobody knows how a flat earth should appear. They are unable to draw a simple scale map of a flat earth. If such was possible then a working flat earth model might be presented. However, the flat earth community has no interest in drawing such a map.
"This is closer to the ocean than I'd like to see". Yes, we know you've pre-selected your conclusion and dislike anything that contradicts it. Flatopian 101.
why wouldnt flatearther accept that earth is globe ? might be weird arguement but personally globe earth sounds more beautiful and magnificent than boring flat plane
Another practical observation I noticed this morning that also buggers up the flat earth - looking out over the ocean from a high altitude, clouds also curve over the horizon and disappear below it. How could this happen on a flat earth? Vanishing point sure doesn't explain it.
For me the dumbest one, and maybe that's not true because they are all tremendously stupid, is that they claim the limitations of our vision s due to anything but the horizon, pollution, refraction, whatever it is. If so, Why can I see further from the top of the CN tower than I can from the ground at the edge of Lake Ontario? If the distance I can see is limited by something other than the horizon, why is it not consistent if the weather/pollution conditions are the same in a very localized area.
Flat or spherical, the arguments and dishonesty of Flat Earthers are always hilarious. Flat Earthers, in their quest for "greatness and correctness" position themselves into intellectual pie throwing booths. They'll beat their chests, claiming they've discovered "the hidden secret" and yet they present themselves as stubborn toddlers scribbling on the walls with crayons claiming they're artists.
But you forgot about the Flerfdom, "We don't know what the Sun is." "It is a magical spotlight with a magical lamp shade where the visible light just stops."
And the lampshade is somehow invisible and doesn’t change the shape of the sun at any point in the day, and somehow gets obscured by the horizon at night.
I actually cannot comprehend how sad it must be to hate the world government so much, to have so much trauma, that you lose all semblance of kindergarten levels of geometry I feel really bad for these people, not being able to become photographers, mathematicians, construction workers, engineers, go to space, fly in planes, etc like, you have to think that planes around the northern hemisphere literally are moving orders of magnitudes slower than planes around the south, which is of course why they can't become pilots they also think the lunar landing was faked because obviously they looked back at the earth and saw a ball, which flat earthers refuse to accept
@@Globeishoaxx "You can’t observe a small and local sun hovering above" What diameter is the sun, and at what altitude? And while you're about it, what's the diameter of flat earth? Note, these aren't trick questions - flat earthers have had centuries to come up with figures from observations.
You know I've always said that I don't really care what people choose to believe. It has no bearing on my life. BUT, my mother, who pulled her self up from poor, old world, almost dust bowl level, country, sharecropper, in 1940s/50s Oklahoma, to be the first of the family to go to college and the first to go to the "big city" to be a working woman. She went to work for the FBI in Oklahoma City in a time when it was extremely male dominated. She had to move to Dallas for 2 years when Kennedy was assassinated to to work on the investigation. I can't stress enough the hurtles she had to overcome to make that happen just due the total isolation aspect alone. She's almost 90 now and her mind is still pretty sharp but she has a hard time making things make sense sometimes. She got exposed to the whole flat earth idea on the internet in the last couple years and it perfectly demonstrated, to me, when the algorithm keeps feeding you MORE of what you just watched until it appears that everyone must think like that...a type of radicalization almost. In the big picture what does it matter what an old woman thinks? I've know her for 55 years and this particular decline makes me very sad. My mother was never a scientist, but for 85 years she damn well knew what shape the earth was!
If you are a flat earth believer and these videos are giving you tickles of doubt, but can't socially abandon this belief all of a sudden, just stop talking and bringing it up as often. Ask to rejoin events with your friends and family and say you won't bring it up. You don't need to make a big deal of it and just push the topic aside or say "I'm not going into it" when prompted. Then, it might be months or years down the line, if your questions lead you to confirm the earth is round and people ask you about it, you will be able to talk about your current experience as a previous person. Helping to take a lot of that shame that comes with upheaving and changing a belief you hold so central to your very being (You can also do this going from Atheist to Christian or vice versa)
They still haven't noticed that every time they babble about the horizon looking flat or not curving enough they fail to notice the video also shows atmosphere fading into a vacuum...
and at the same time why isn't there coverage all over the world if there are supposedly tens of thousands of satellites roaming in space and why is it fixed locations they are unable to get gps signal?
@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting but there is coverage all around the world even in the middle of nowhere like the forests, mountains and open sea. Are you confusing gps with a cellphone signal? If so.... geezus.
@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting 1) Straw man. We have a lot of satellites, but not enough to get 100% coverage all the time 2) Satellites don't directly connect to your phone, most first connect to wifi towers and then to your phone.
Flat Earth??? Globe Earth?? Y'all are missing it completely. We live on the back of a spaghetti monster eating MCU ETERNALS (not comics) until they burst into oblivion. Hope this helps😊
The fact that the horizon is equidistant from the camera in all directions from every high altitude camera, no matter where on earth it is launched, proves that we live on a sphere 😐
Weird how they think there is a "limit" to one's vision...yet your altitude also affects the "limit". Do they think our eyes abilities are directly linked to how tall you are? Shoot, you'll put all the optometrists out of work if you just give everyone stilts😂
Weird how you don't understand vision limitations at all. If there are no limitations to our vision, why then, can one not see a quarter on the ground from say an airplane and read the year of the quarter on it? "Because it's too small and too far away" Oh, so there are limitations to our vision due to distance and size of objects, got it.
@@zefferss Theres no limitations in terms of distance limitation. Perspective still exists. You can zoom with a camera or telescope. Really tricky without getting taken out of context
Name ONE Flat Earther who has travelled to the edge and taken a picture over the side. You can't, because they are all too busy living in their parent's basements.....
@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting You can go to Antarctia your self, like Thousands of people have... Best Antarctica Cruises & Tours 2023/2024 | Intrepid Travel AU Antarctica Expert - Best Prices - Australia's Polar Experts by Eclipse Travel Antarctic Cruises & Expeditions Quark Expeditions Swoop Antarctica: Antarctica Trips, Tours & Adventures Antarctica tours & travel - Peregrine Adventures The Globe observed, demonstrated, measured, recorded, Confirmed. Flerfs Can't provide a Single experiment, that follows the scientific method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe. Because Flat Earth isn't a Theory, it's a Belief. It's time you realized you're being conned by Flerfs. You will ignore All the clear, testable, observable evidence I provided, because you Don't want to know the Truth. You want to protect your Belief based on Faith. "You got to Lie to Flerf". You're lying to everyone here, but worse, you're Lying to yourself, and that's the pathetic part...
No matter how hard you try to convince them, they'll still stay the same. What we really need to do is put all of them into their own little spacecraft. Then, while they’re barreling into the sun, they can look behind them and see the true shape of the Earth.
@@StormsparkPegasus indeed, marc sergent (one of the biggest flat earther) was asked if he would accept that the earth was a ball if we could send him in space and he could see it with his own eyes, and he said no, he would never believe it, even if he could see it. This is quit straight forward, only some of them could accept it, those are the ones who are just questioning and have recently been deceived into this belief. Those who stayed for too long are almost impossible to even talk with. But the worst of them are those like Sergent who literally make tons of money and gain a social status and lots of influence thanks to this. I even struggle to believe that the leaders of the flat earth are flat earthers themselves, and not just straight up lair, when you look at how much money they gained thanks to it.
Either magical holographic windows, gaseous drugs pumped into the cabin, windows are screens, they are strapped on a chair after being drugged and have VR headsets. I'm certain I can pull out a few more if you want XD One I head was something of the like: "because our eyes are ball shaped, the image we see is curved" it was incredible to read or hear, can't recall which and from whom.
they just can't seem to accept the concept of us living on a large sphere that is suspended in the vacuum of space.. their ability to analyze properly is not well developed. Not saying that inability makes them inferior, just that their abilities rest elsewhere (maybe they're really good artists, poets, etc)
@@colty7764 mostly the problem is that they don’t care about the shape of the earth. The shape of the earth is extremely inconsequential compared to the fact that god exists, they believe that if the earth is flat then god exists, and god *has* to exist.
why would be infinite ice around the earth and yet we still have global worming, and why the sun effect only the ice on the flat earth and not on the edges
Has any flat earther explained sunset an sunrise. They would be impossible on their models, especially considering that others would have sun still visible.
The fact that people believe this is real to this day, with all the technology, tools, and experiments you can do yourself... truly speaks to how stupid the human race is becoming. How is this even a thing that needs explaining...
The present flat earth vogue is a repeat of the flat earth claims from the middle of the 19th century. Science was becoming popular, with interest from ordinary people increasing. Some religious fundamentalists became scared that it would somehow hide or disprove God, flat earth was just a science denying movement, bolstered by such as Samuel Rowbotham who was the equivalent of flat earth RU-vidrs today, using it as an income provider. No scholar of any note has thought the Earth to be flat for at least 2,000 years.
People try to find identity with groups, and in a rough spot a conspiracy may be where someone goes. Some people believe it due to indoctrination from their religion, but to an extreme level. Some people fall into it in other ways, then their brain puts up cognitive blocks and goes into defense and locks people in as well. It is both sad and hilarious.
According to many flat earthers, the sun and moon are both around 3000 miles away, and we can see them just fine. According to those same flat earthers, when we look along a flat surface, our vision is limited to around 20-40 miles, depending on atmospheric conditions. Even so, according to those very same flat earthers, we see too far depending on those same atmospheric conditions, up to 275 miles. The earth looks like a globe because of atmospheric conditions, perspective and refraction, but only when it suits them. Otherwise atmosphere and perspective can be, and will be, wholly discounted.
OK, if the flat Earth isn't a disc floating in space, then what is it? What are we standing on? It reminds me of the old joke that it's "turtles all the way down!"
Dave, note that the flat earth can form a horizon ONLY AT ITS EDGES, AND NOWHERE ELSE ALONG THE SURFACE. This is what you showed as well. Only a globe can form horizons 360 degrees around every point of observation. Looking over a flat table and a ball can replicate these effects. It's clear that reality matches what you see on a ball.
Here's the real question: if the space is square, what's stopping the earth from being a cube? [Edit] Damn it he said space wasnt square. I can't believe squarespace lied to me
It's kinda funny that a lot of these are great arguments that flat earthers could make as an excuse for why there is a visible curve... yet they still prefer to simply argue that the curve itself is fake.
I was actually working on a very similar video, but luckily this was different enough. I am focusing on how a flat earth would actually look, no crisp horizon, everywhere you look, the distance would be dark and hazy, as all the atmosphere moisture builds up, clouds build up, and the land masses fade into each other. I think the BEST example I can think of, is like being in Vegas, with the mountains all around creating a weird sensation of like being in a bowl. It is funny how Flat Earthers claim you wouldn't see that stuff, because of "perspective" haha, but perspective REQUIRES a horizon!
And just another point, I have never come across a flattie who actually understands and can illustrate exactly how perspective works. For something that is underpinning their ideology, you would think they would know a bit about it. But no, not in flerfville.
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt They treat "perspective" like a magic word that papers over the difference between what optics tells us to expect on a flat earth and what we actually see; if they actually engaged with an understanding of how perspective works, they couldn't pretend it makes sense as an excuse anymore.
Also, the Flerfdom stars violate Perspective Convergence. As you move farther south from a relatively fixed Polaris, there should be an observed convergence of Polaris and neighboring stars, if the the stars were local. However, Polaris maintains the same angular distance from other stars at 10° N. Latitude as it does at 60° N. Latitude. We see a distinct horizon over the ocean precisely because we exist on a Globe. On a vast large flat plane, there would be a non-distinct horizon. Just a vanishing off into the distance blending of water and sky.
That flaterther said a "quick rush to judgment" as if we weren't just staring at two shapes that you learn in kindergarten😂😂 take all the time you need there buddy
I live on an island in the middle of the Pacific. Saipan. My window overlooks the ocean. I also spent a year at sea on a US Navy ship. Ever since I can remember, I have been able to notice a slight curvature when looking out to sea. Also, from Saipan, on a clear day if you are atop Mt. Tapachau, (elevation 1,500 ft) you can see the top of Anatahan Island (elevation 2000 ft), which is about 78 miles away. But you can not see the base of Anatahan, as one would expect. The green flash you can see at sunset also proves earth isn't flat. My office is on the 2nd floor, so the view of the ocean I see daily is elevated. My Flat Earth friends say "NO YOU CAN'T" when I point to the ocean and point out how I can see a curve.
Sorry Spaniels are not the smartest of the dog breeds, However they are way too intelligent to fall for the flat Earth cult. Even pet rocks are smarter than flurfs.
