Flatzoid tried to debunk me ... then perfectly proves my point! 

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Is it just me, or isn’t it scary that a fully grown man is struggling to comprehend a concept that 10 year olds can grasp?!

No no, he's right, "the land down under" proves Australia is down, just like how "the big apple" proves America is actually just a very large tree

How can anybody get confused over "UP" and "DOWN"? Up is towards the sky, and Down is towards the elephants and the turtle.

At this point, I’m not here for the flat earth debunking, I’m here because this dude is actually a fairly decent teacher, and I find myself learning quite a bit from him about space and concepts relating to it. Despite his primary focus being on photography, what a legend

Flatzoid: "What a way to state the obvious, genius" *Proceeds to get the obvious thing completely wrong*

The reason you can't argue with a flat earther is because the ones you could argue with realized they were wrong and stopped being flat earthers *Warning:* Clown in the replies (Vinny Consolini)

He must have been a nightmare at school. His teacher explains a concept to all of the class, and all of them seem to understand... then Flatzoid raises his hand and the teacher thinks "Oh no, not again..."

If I ever feel stupid, all I have to do is realize that there are people out there who believe that the world is flat. Then I don’t feel so bad.

Flatzoid probably had the same issues at school, thinking he was top of the class when in reality he was at the bottom

I am amazed by the fact that people can be confused by the fact that you can just...turn a photo.

I love that these people do several hour long livestreams and take years out of their lives trying to figure out basic things that most children understand.

I used to snorkel at Shark's Cove in Hawaii a lot, and there was a giant arch about 20 feet down where I would invert my body as I entered, so that the ceiling of the arch became "down". Thanks to the weightlessness in water the mind easily viewed it as "down", with pockets of trapped scuba diver air looking like little pools of mercury. Then at the other end of the arch, I'd move "down" over the edge, which then turned into "up" as I moved back to the surface. Really fun mind trick!

It's astounding that this has to be explained. It's even more astounding that once explained, people will still argue that this completely obvious concept is false.

The only thing Flatzoid knows about any frames is how to delete them.

I live in Australia and it’s always hard to stop things floating away up into the sky!

I love how he was trying to dunk on you by imitating your setup but just looked like a complete psychopath the entire time. It felt like a scene from the silence of the lambs.

I can't believe we're living in a world where people are discussing what up and down are. That's nuts.

He's going to willfully misunderstand it, twist some words, cherrypick some definitions and say you just proved flat earth.

At this point flatzoid is just willfully misunderstanding things to keep up his lies. I do not believe that a grown up man could fail so badly at understanding basic concepts.

Hi Dave, when I was young I knew the earth is a sphere and then I got so indoctrinated in the flat earth conspiracy theory and I believed it. Then I got older and proved myself wrong and found out earth is a sphere again. I want to go to space to see the view and see the truth for myself. This videos helps me and everyone else. Thank you 😊 ❤

When I have tried to discuss with flat earthers, it has usually ended with me thinking: "If I have to explain THIS, there is probably no point in continuing."

I am so thankful for Flat Earthers (bear with me). I've learned more science and what's actually happening in our universe than I ever did at school thanks to Dave the other folks explaining things in simple english. Top work sir. 😁

It’s amazing that there are flat earthers all around the globe.

It’s crazy that people in the 5th century knew the earth was round yet people in 2023 fail to grasp the concept

Interestingly Mount Everest’s peak isn’t actually the farthest point from the center of the Earth. Due to the equatorial bulge, that honor instead belongs to Mount Chimborazo in Ecuador. In fact, there are 9 peaks “higher” than Mount Everest when measured this way :)

The "point of reference" is actually something alot of people has trouble with. When you have a group of skydivers in free fall then sometimes you can get in to an argument (after the skydive), who was drifting. One or more people might not fall straight down and the other has too keep up with this drift. But who was drifting when you have no point of reference? I remember being a videographer to a group and when they came down everyone was pointing at one guy drifting, but when we looked at the video we could see that I was positioned straight above this guy who was falling straight down and all the other was drifting away from us. It was so hilarious to see their faces when they realized they where the ones drifting.

I have noticed that many flerfers seem to struggle with concepts such as "frame of reference" or "relative to". Without these concepts firmly understood a lot of what people try to teach them would seem wrong or meaningless.

4:50 There's an Australian beer commercial from the 90s which flips the globe and the voice actor says: "And I reckon Down Under. Is On Top!"

Watching flatzoid show how clueless he really is on FTFE's debate earlier this week was pure gold.

Flatzoid recently did a "debate" in which he put the title "dr" in front of his name. I'm sure he thinks it's funny and everything, but he's done nothing to even get close to earning the right to be referred to as "dr." When I did science shows and taught in a planetarium, some people from the audience would sometimes try to call me "professor" or "doctor" or "scientist" or something, and I'd immediately correct them and tell them that I'm just someone who enjoys learning and teaching. I just never wanted to give the impression that I was doing anything like what scientists do in the field.

"What a way to state the obvious, genius" said the man who's entire framework of reality revolves around refusing to understand the obvious, just as the round Earth revolves around the Sun.

The ISS actually does have an "up" and "down" although they are usually referred to as zenith and nadir. The ISS normally keeps the nadir side facing the Earth while the zenith side faces away from the Earth (LHLV). However, without gravity as a constant reminder of direction, the orientation to perform a task is usually done as whatever is most convenient at the time and may change as the task proceeds.

Never quite sure if I should just laugh at or pity an adult struggling to understand stuff a primary schooler understands.

I've been saying this for years. The root of every flerfs misunderstanding is the assumption of the conceptual perspective of "up" and "down" for what it really is, "away from" and "towards" a gravitational center. They believe "up and down" to be a singular, parallel direction. Every single flerf's model collapses the moment the basic fact of gravitational center is no longer ignored.

Flatzoid showing timelapse pics of a rotating Earth to prove his point of Earth being flat? I just... I just can't even begin...

What a fucking time to be alive when you have to teach adults where the ground is

its both baffling and saddening that any of this needs to be explained

His axis tilt "argument" is a perfect example of two dimensional thinking. He's referring to a 90° angle and automatically referencing it to up and down. Tell you what Failzoid: draw a 90° angle on a piece of paper and put it on your table, now tell me where up or down is.

flat earthers are a good example of how a 2d person might think.

I love that he is using a globe as a reference for "up" and "down"

Often it isn't that they "don't understand", it is that they don't want to understand. If Flatzoid wasn't in such a grip of a cult mindset, I'm sure he would be able to grasp the concept quite easily. However, he is in a flat Earth cult, his purpose is to defend that cult he is in (as the cult is his identity) and his brain clearly struggles to think through anything which contradicts his identity, as it is jarring, so it makes-pretend as some kind of coping mechanism to make actual reality go away. Either that, or he is an outright grifter. If he isn't a grifter and actually has some ounce of integrity, he would acknowledge that he might be wrong (he is wrong!) and start to question what he is actually doing. But alas, the cult grip is obviously too strong and he really doesn't care what the truth is. His entire world would collapse if he ever recognised how foolish he has been. The thing is though that if he ever did give his head a wobble and found the strength to unravel himself from the cult, people would not be laughing at him for being conned and getting things wrong. They'd support him for breaking free. However, by putting out videos like the one shown here, people will definitely keep laughing at the foolishness. The choice is his, should he ever be able to park the ego for long enough to self-reflect.

Every time I go into an Outback Steakhouse and see the upside down map, I have to think that it blows a flat Earther's mind.

Flatzoid would have a heart attack seeing any space sim game footage. Especially dogfights or stations in games like elite

I can't believe that this actually needs to be explained to some people.

Flerfs have issues with up and down. I always get a chuckle when they say rivers can’t flow up the side of the globe because of gravity.

Well said Dave. Flatzoid is trying hard to not get it.

Flat earthers will call you brainwashed after watching a 4 hour yt video… The irony…

The flat earthers must admire the absolute monster of a CGI team that could produce the watch effect at 9:04, in real-time too. Look at it, the way it moves after he does, and it has inertia. It would be cheaper and easier to fly someone into space.

I'm always amused by how much meaning and stock some people will put into innocuous phrases, such as "Land Down Under."

Really like your videos. Your civil, personable and rational presentation is very refreshing in a space rife with childish name-calling and schoolyard trash-talking.

Every day, I wake up and give thanks that I'm not so fucking stupid that I think the earth is flat

It's amazing that Flerfs cannot comprehend something as basic as a 3 dimensional frame of reference.

Start with the idea that _every particle is gravitationally attracted to every other particle,_ and go from there. You end up with spheres of matter (with a mass above a certain size), and relative up and down directions, depending on the gravity field _(frame of reference)_ you're in. That field in turn depends on the amount of matter (particles) all around you, with every one of them pulling on you.

The biggest issue for flat earthers is gravity. It’s such a thorn in their side that when they try to explain how stuff works on a flat earth their explanations and logic just falls over in a massive heap

Flat earth is the epitome of “I don’t understand it, therefore it doesn’t exist.”

I kept thinking "he can't be this stupid can he??". Then I remembered that he actually believes the earth is flat...

When I flew to New Zealand, the moon in the Netherlands was like a C in the sky - on the way it turned to a kind of U. In reality, of course, I turned and the moon remained stable

The clip from the ISS made me wonder if flat earthers ever tried to adress anything observed in those video's. Like for instance the weightlessness... or am I going to be dissapointed and their answer is: "it's fake".

I'd love to see flat earthers show where is the Top and the Bottom of a golf ball.

A friend of mine once spent several minutes trying to explain how the globe model falls apart because that model had lots of rivers flowing upwards. At first I was confused to what he was talking about, then I realized he thought North was up.

It's not only up and down he doesn't understand. He also struggles with Clockwise and Anti Clockwise. (As demonstrated in his "debate" with Catz).

Oh boy! Fresh video. His mimicking is definitely amusing, just as amusing as his completely inability to understand what references are. I look forward to his video debunking your debunking of him and the subsequent Part 2: Flat Boogaloo.

Flat earthers probably also think that dogs cannot look up

Expecting flat earthers to understand reference frames is like expecting dogs to understand colours

Interesting fact with Up and Down on spacecraft/ISS. While up and down is still generally arbitrary in space, spacecraft and the ISS generally are designed with a dominate up/down direction at least within each module. This is just because it makes it easier for the people inside to process and navigate the surroundings. As in the video you showed most of the computers/panels has are to the astronaut's left and right (in the camera's reference frame). Though they will still make use of "floor/ceiling" space for less frequent stuff. A professor when I was in grad school told a story (not sure if true) that during Skylab they tried to design a section with out any concern for keeping an up/down orientation, to optimize the use of the space (I think it was the controls area for the Apollo Telescope Mount). As such panels were in all sorts of orientations, while in theory it "worked" the Astronauts apparently disliked being in that area as it was disorienting and gave them headaches. The story may be apocryphal, as a quick search didn't uncover anything to confirm my professors story. But do think it's still helpful in illustrating how the human factor can introduce a need for a dominate local up/down, especially in a designed environment (such as a spacecraft). Even if there is no "true" up/down.

Wow! All the photos he showed where north is at the top has north at the top! Incredible! Also, it turns out that all M&M's are green, strictly based the collection of green M&Ms that I selected!

I don't understand what is so hard to understand. A basketball ball doesn't have a top, bottom or sides but at with a frame of reference any place on the ball can be perceived as the top, bottom or sides. It's not complicated.

One good thing about flat eathers, though, is that iit gives the rest of us a reason to brush up on our physics and natural sciences.

It's been said many times, but flerfers really have trouble understanding 3 dimensions. Flatzoid has just showed it to be true.

So he uses photos of a 3d earth in one of those pictures it was shown rotating.Proving a globe earth this guy is truly special

A legitimate conversation in the flat earth universe... "You are upside down". "No you are upside down". "You don't get it. You are upside down". "No you are".

Mind boggling that there is people who believe that Earth is flat. Like it blows my mind. 🤯

The funniest thing to me about their idea of up and down is based on their view of a map, but when you are actually standing on the earth and think of up, you look directly into the sky so “up” is looking toward space and down is looking at the ground no matter where on the globe you are. I never understood how they confuse north and south for up and down? And in space there is no up or down. It’s all relative to your perspective and position

Flat-earthers are like 7th graders who think they know everything, but actually know next to nothing, arguing with their science teacher. They are delusional

I was all set to change my northern-centric thinking and abandon my prejudiced image of the Antipodes, when a bunch of Australians - working men I believe - came along and told us that they came from "the land down under" ! I've happily called Australia and New Zealand "down under" ever since.

I just watched the "up and down" show, and I'm confused. They showed pictures of earth from space, but I thought they thought you couldn't get into space.

It's called down under because it's roughly 12,700 km down under the feet of an euro-centric world. That's also the reason why the antipode islands are called just that. Those are even closer to where you'd show up if you could dig straight down. So it's not about the position on a map, but rather quite literally the orientation on the globe as seen from Europe.

I am always amazed people can consume FE arguments without losing it. I applaud anyone who can. It reminds me so much of listening to my 3yo reasoning through some goofy imaginary scenario. With adults I take it as a challenge to find some way understand how they are just so confused. What do they do during the day. I sometimes struggle at work but I can’t imagine how these people get to work.

It's always funny to see how flerfs always fails, not only to prove their flat Earth, but prove the globe Earth.

It is disappointing to see that this is even a discussion.

During the Apollo 11 mission, there was an exchange between Collins and Armstrong where Collins said something like "You're looking good there Eagle, aside from being upside down" where Neil replied "One of us is!" In space it's all relative.

I always thought long range naval gunfire calculation (in which they must account for the curvature of the earth at extreme ranges) is a strong argument because their lives sort of depend on being accurate.

The irony that these people think they're out-smarting everyone is hysterical.

Just show him a picture of the earth 'upside down' and ask him which way is up. His logic here escapes me. Just as a side note, have anyone ever noticed that in sci-fi space movies, they always seem to have a universal up? When ships encounter each other in space, they are always oriented the same way. I kinda find it comical that they ignore that.

Fun Fact: Colin Hay of Men at Work, who famously sang "I Come From a Land Down Under" - is actually from Scotland!

Lol this is on the level of "if the earth is round than why don't Australians stand on their head?" XD

Asking "Where is the top of the Earth" on a Globe is like asking "Where is the South Pole" on the popular flat Earthers' North Polar Projection map.

11:37 "Leave your thoughts down below ...." That's going to confuse Flatzoid even more.

I can't even believe this is a point that has to be addressed.

The most hilarious aspect of this is: Flatzoid is arguing in favor of a flat earth, by using a globe model of earth to show that “part of the earth is facing down.”

Alone the thought, that you can use a picture as a reference for up and down is hillarious.

I wrecked Flatzoid on how meteor showers cant work on a flat earth so hard he banned me from his channel🤣

About the ISS, there is also the factor that it was a station built by humans, for humans, so for us, its quite convenient to have the space we are located have an up and down orientation, it helps us situate ourselves. So the ISS is purposefully built to look like it has an up direction. There are lights only on one side, most of the instruments are placed AWAY from the lights, because on earth, where we evolved for millions of years, we have gravity to establish what is up and what is down, but in space we could get very easily lost. Also there are some bigger modules going up that will have multi-lighting systems precisely to allow more uses of it because working near the light sources is both annoying and confusing

I'm trying to teach a flat earther refrigeration. I cannot articulate how frustrating it is. I'm beginning to accept that he simply cannot learn.

I find it scary that some of these people operate large machinery & motor vehicles!

Maybe this is a way to get them to understand the concept of relative directions: instead of up & down, look at north & south on the AE map. Put yourself 1 m away from the north pole, looking north. Put a buddy 2m in front of you, also looking north. _Both_ you and they are looking north, but you're facing each other! North is a different direction for different people even in their own model. Oh who am I kidding, of course they'll fail to understand that too.

Man that guy doesn't know the difference between microgravity and zero gravity

When he mentioned the tilt deviation from 90° as an argument to discredit you, I actually physically face palmed 🤦🏼‍♂️🙄🤣🤣🤣

"I can't be bothered to do a 4 hour live stream to address a 10 minute video" SHEEEEEEEEEEESH Dave.... Did him all sorts of dirty on that one