In all honesty, I think flerfers fall into 3 basic categories: Grifters out to make a quick buck. Trolls who are in on the joke. Mentally ill people who believe the trolls and pay the grifters.
That's something I always ask: assume they manage to convince the entire world that they're 100% correct on everything, what next? What can their theories actually accomplish beyond what we already have? What can they predict? There's no actual practical use to anything they theorize about, so it's all totally meaningless. They spend all their time trying to disprove heliocentric predictions but are unable to make any better predictions themselves. What's the actual point? They only want to look down on other people.
@@MLennholm that's brilliant, if you don't have a model there is nothing to prove wrong 😂🤣 On the other hand, magic and witchcraft are equally viable explanations to a flerfs
I wonder now... There are certainly apps that precisely predict astronomical events for any observer on Earth. There _must_ be a precise model inside that corresponds to the real world. How come no one has leaked or reverse engineered such Final Correct Model of Flat Earth yet? =D
The fact that these models perfectly match real world observations while flerfs don't even try to have such a model completely annihilates flat Earth. The sad part is they can't even comprehend why that is.
They already have problems with getting sun and moon to circle over their flat plane correctly. Introducing more moving parts would melt their circuits. The best they can come up with is the denial of reality version: "It's all just a projection onto your personal atmospheric dome!"
For real. The debunking aspect of Dave's videos is actually not the main draw, his in-depth, yet understandable explanation of the topic at hand is what makes his videos really worth watching. He's really got a gift for teaching these things.
They’ve made me appreciate the simple beauty of things like sunrise and sunset. I used to take them more or less for granted. I love all of Creation more due to them. I hope we always have a few of them around.
Finding Stellarium was honestly the best thing for me even as a bareely-even-amateur-level astrophotographer. Just getting a good sense of the night sky was made so much easier with it :D
Absolutely correct. Also, apparently, not something actually attributable to Mark Twain, according to fact-checking sources. Still a great line though, just wish we knew who to really give credit to!
@@RunGreenManor IKR? Here we've got a universal punching bag that everyone (that matters) can agree on hating, and they have to bring up politics. Like socialism isn't _perfect,_ but are you comparing it to *capitalism?* Maybe you shouldn't throw stones?
@@madfinntech Flat Earthers have traditionally had difficulties grasping most concepts.. Resulting in the need to explain the absolute basics of so many subjects. Dave is honestly amazing in this regard. Some of his videos deal with concepts *so* fundamental, it could have come across as condescending, that is, if flerfs had the first clue about anything they talk about. Its like watching the classic *"These cows are SMALL, and those cows are FAR AWAY"* scene, in every conceivable way. Having to explain such things to adults is truly embarrassing, clearly the education system is not working as intended..
It's simple selection bias, really. Anybody honest enough to actually be testing their ideas and competent enough to get their equipment to focus will quickly discover that the Earth is spherical. If you fail either of those criteria, then you will always either make mistakes or pretend to make mistakes, and confirmation bias will do the rest.
A flat earth is just so unimaginative and dull. Reality is fascinating and beautiful. I used to not care about those who choose to be ignorant, but the past 9 years have shown me how dangerous ignorance can be. Thank you for fighting against it.
@@seracris8357 The late Terry Pratchett thought so as well. His diskworld series books are amazing works mixing a dash of old cosmology with a huge helping of comic fantasy.
Yeah, its not like they can imagine some good stuff like HALO type flattened centrifuge ring world or the flat world like in Sinbad or 1001 Nights. No, its just a dull pizza with ignorance and superiority complex.
I love how he's explaining every argument without rudeness or insults. I follow other debunkers who mostly just say "you wrong, so you idiot" and then laught at them. Also every time i think i know a lot this guy just teaches me at least 5 new things.
I agree, lots of respect for Dave's ability to remain calm and polite in the face of stupidity. It; s why I don't like watching Sciman Dan. He occasionally makes mistakes (so does Dave, to err is human after all), but his condescending attitude makes his own mistakes rather cringe.
@@Hugh.Manatee " It; s why I don't like watching Sciman Dan." Agreed. And he inflates his own credentials. I have often wondered if his nasty attitude is why he got fired as a teacher. He's not a credit to the cause of science. Really, I think if he had been brought up by flerfs, he'd be the most adamant flerf out there. He's not really a thinker. He just has strong bigotry that happens to be on the right side of this issue.
@@Packhorse-bh8qn Eh, it's called diversity of tactics. SciManDan is kind of a douche, but at the same time, Flat Earthers absolutely need to be made fun of, talked down to, and put in their place. "That's only going to make them double down--" Well, I don't know how to tell you this, if you haven't already noticed, _they're doing that anyhow._
@@Wendy_O._Koopa "Eh, it's called diversity of tactics. " He doesn't do it for the sake of diverse tactics. He does it because he is overly impressed with himself, and he is a jerk.
@@Packhorse-bh8qn What we have here is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term "diversity of tactics" actually means. Dan is a dick, he acts like a dick to people, that's _his_ tactic. Dave is a much more polite guy, his tactic is something along the lines of "you get more flies with honey than with vinegar." Think of it like Good Cop/Bad Cop, only they don't interact with each other. "So... _nothing_ like Good Cop/Bad Cop, then?" Okay, that's fair. But the _point_ is that humans are not a monolith. And not _everybody_ is going to respond to the _same_ tactics. Just as there is no "cure all" solution for any psychological problem, there is no _single_ way of handling Flat Earthers.
In my opinion the fact that the average person can not possibly prove or disprove either, flat or oblate sphere, given the average person (not a bureaucrat "scientist") working off of information that is presented to them don't have the hands on capability...kudos to the ones that are not afraid to THINK about it. People should never stop questioning anything and everything. I hate small talk. Be more interesting.
@@emilykearns9766 The average person can very easily prove the earth is not flat. Measuring the seasonal tilt and movement of the planets and stars are very easy if someone bothers to actually do it.
@@emilykearns9766 All it really took to establish the shape of the Earth was careful astronomy, the ability to travel long distances, and geometry. All of those were in short supply in pre-history but are practically free nowadays. Moderns have no excuse.
Flat earther think everything is a "projection" on the firmament, which nobody has ever seen, and that flat earther have no idea what it is made of. So stars, the moon, and even the sun don't exist. And forget about things like the ISS and artificial satellites circling the earth.
I really love how it is not a "HAHA look at this idiot" type debunking. His explanations are always easy to understand. While I'm not a conspiracy person Dave definitely explained things that were a little hard to grasp or I had to pay to understand myself without researching a topic I wasn't familiar with.
It's pretty much confirmed that FE proponents can't track more than one motion at a time on any axis. This issue is probably more common than we realize and not confined to them (for instance I do have difficulties thinking in 3D even if I have no problem grasping the roughly spherical shape of the Earth). I wonder if it's caused by some unknown condition or just by laziness and indoctrination
Despite being retired and having zero interest in photography, I love these videos because I *learn* something with every one. It's often (as with this one) something I'd never thought about before, and that makes it even more exciting. It's extraordinary that there are people who insist that there is nothing to be learnt, that the world can't be explained, and that anyone trying to explain the world *must* be lying or in the pay of liars.
@@mymumbakescakes that's easily explained, those in power that have been keeping keeping the globe lie and the masses ignorant, simply switch it off 😂😂
Literally the closest I've seen is one claim that light can't travel more than 3,000 miles. When I then asked how it's possible for people in Oslo and Cape Town (~6400 miles apart as the crow flies) to both see the sun at the same time, they just lied about how far apart those cities are.
Ask them how the sun or even sunlight can hide from you if you were the pilot in an aircraft, at maximum altitude in the middle of the night with your famous Nikon camera, and get them to demonstrate this on a flat floor or table using props as the sun and plane.
I'm glad for flat earthers, if it weren't for them, we'd never had this channel. I knew that Mercury and Venus were visible during the day, even possibly transiting the sun, but I didn't know that could also be seen just after sunset, and just before sunrise. Thanks flat earthers!
Transits are quite rare, though. The next transit of Mercury is in November 2031. The next Venus transit is not until December 2117, so if you missed the ones in 2004 and 2012, and don't have access to a time machine, you're probably out of luck there!
So glad I had a cool science teacher. In the 80s a pair. If binoculars and a white piece of paper. Got to watch a dark sport move over the bright spot. Was amazing I just don't remember if it was mercury or venus, but was still and event that I remember vividly to this day.
I spent about 10 years working in a planetarium. I wrote shows, I performed shows. I answered open questions whenever audiences had them. And every day when I left the planetarium, the sky would match exactly what the date and time in the planetarium equipment showed on the dome. Sometimes, I would open the back door, and we would exit into the darkness or twilight, and the audience would see a sky that matched exactly what they had just seen in the planetarium. It was especially nice to do this when it was just twilight, and a planet like Jupiter or Venus would already be easily visible in the sky, even though the sky is still somewhat blue. The point is that all the planetarium software made in the world matches the sky, so they are all going to have to be in on the conspiracy, or just not smart enough to know as much as flat earthers do about astronomy. (lol)
Of course they will claim that all the plantariums (or should that be planetaria?) are part of the conspiracy. With 8 billion people on the planet, they seem to think that at least 7.9 billion of them are in on it.
When I photograph Jupiter, I can literally observe how the Great Red Spot moves from left to right in only a few hours. I use tables that predict its appearance, so that I can plan my sessions at night. It's always spot on (those predictions even take into account the enormous distance between Jupiter and Earth, which equals more than half a light-hour, when in opposition). The relative positions of Jupiter's moons are even a navigational tool, as the pattern of those four large satellites is like a celestial clock. They can be easily observed through binoculars. Galileo Galilei discovered them and noticed for the first time in mankind's history that celestial bodies are not eternal entities that would never change, as the religiously conditioned presumption went. Flat-Earthers seem to ignore the sheer wealth of observable phenomena out there, discarding them, even before ever having taken notice of them in the first place. What a shame.
I don't think flat Earthers present ANY model for the apparent movement of the planets. That's like claiming a well used map is total nonsense and not presenting any map instead.
@@MrJustinOtisyup. WaterClosetDavis does the same lol. You ask him what the size of a location is or what the distance between two points on his Perfectly Accurate Gleason's map, he deflects or tells you to do it "since you know so much about it." LOL. He's a complete coward.
Anyone can learn to do astronomy and you can prove to yourself that the earth is a globe. Flat earth is about idiots having a temper tantrum, like child who stick their fingers in their ears and go 'nah nah nahhh nah'
And while having a telescope is nice, a flat earther shouldn't even need a scope to do the kind of skywatching necessary to understand how things are visible when they are. It's mostly naked eye stuff. Sure, you could look at other planets with moons with a scope. You can see they are round...and that would be useful.
They really don't seem to understand the concept that object A (Earth) is moving around object B (The sun) meanwhile Object B and C (Mercury and Venus) Are also moving around object B . The sad thing is this is all observable.
@@Deletirium I'm starting to think flat earthers all have some form of aphantasia and just literally can't imagine anything so all they know is what they see, which is a mostly flat horizon
The thing that gets me most is that you can look up where the stars and planets will be on any given night, literally go outside, and then boom the prediction *will* be correct, perfectly accurate, and it's based on a heliocentric globe earth model, and it's correct over and over night after night. If you actually applied logic to it you'd have to either accept the model *or* believe that everyone who ever created those kinds of predictions was somehow colluding and mapping it secretly to a flat earth, even when they're fully open about how their predictions work
You seem to forget that the flat earth community actually believe the globe earth is great conspiracy and that the whole science community is on it. On that basis, of course the predictions will be right, since the stars and planets are mere projections onto the giant dome that protects our atmosphere from the vacuum of space.
What I enjoy most about Flat Earth is that we all get to go back and relearn hundreds of years of cumulative scientific innovation and research. btw where are the Flat Earth sims? Minecraft?
What is so funny to me is that flat earthers cannot provide a unified reason for everything Dave is providing and cannot back it up on their faulty flat earth model. It's all guessing with them. We who know that we live on a globe can ALL verify all of the information that Dave has provided in this video and we will all get the EXACT same results.
Fun fact: In Hungarian language, apart from calling Venus as "Venus", like every other normal human on Earth, we have a secondary name for it. The exact translation of it into English would be something like "dusk-dawn star".
@@sigisalmen2399 Same in English, and it goes WAAAAAAY back. Actually, there are Old Testament references to the morning star, so it's pretty old and probably universal across cultures.
@@tamfang Body spray, guitar shred or just the good ol’ weapon? 😂 Edit: I can only imagine Erathostenes doing that legendary guitar solo after successfuly measuring the Earth’s circumference.
I don't want to diss anyone, as I really do enjoy most of all of the creators who make flat earth debunking vids...but I have to say that Dave's videos are soooo much more educational, and thus more interesting than anyone else. He's really been crushing it lately.
Yes, he’s managed to use a dangerously inaccurate misinformation spreading turn into very interesting educational videos while debunking. You both enjoy the debunk part, but ultimately learn little new aspects too.
I've watched SciManDan in the past and a few Creaky videos more recently, but I do appreciate the less hyperbolic, less angry style we have here on this channel. But I do have to say the dog is annoying me. I'm not anti dog, even if I'm more of a cat person, but that pupper seems to be stuck up his arse all the time. Cue all the people dragging me for saying anything about the pup. If I want cute animals, I'll watch a cute animal video, not a flerf debunking one.
@@NorthernSeaWitchI'm the other a-hole. I love pets, and I'm glad Rusty is happy, but I could stand to see him less often. Y'all may commence my requisite verbal thrashing now. 🙉
@@NorthernSeaWitch It's not just the better bedside manner, he provides full explanations with source where a lot of Dan's rebuttals are simply naked claims where you would have to dive in on your own to find out where that was sourced.
I'm certain that a big part of their issue with Venus is thinking that 12 o'clock midinight is when you're facing directly away from the sun (which is almost never the case North or south of the equator)
I think it's more that they see day and night as binary: as soon as the sun “sets” (a perspective illusion, of course) we flip to facing directly away from it. I have not found them saying so explicitly, and perhaps they don't think it consciously, but it fits the way they talk about the Venus problem.
@@tamfangthey've never seen a sunset where the sun continues to illuminate part of the sky for some time after it disappears over the horizon? (Maybe they just pretend they don't see that because their model (when they admit to having one) can't explain it)
As a resident of the Southern Hemisphere, thank you for mentioning that the sky appears different from here. A lot of people either don’t know this or, if they do, don’t give it much thought. ❤ The difference in the night sky is something that I find takes a little getting used to when you swap hemispheres. It’s a little like trying to figure out how to drive on the other side of the road; it’s so similar, but also not and in a very disconcerting way.
@@johnqpublic7608 Not sure if they deleted their comment or if the RU-vid filter claimed it, but I’ve noticed that appeals to antiquity are surprisingly common arguments by flerfs. I think I figured out the two primary motivations though. 1. They think they have to say the ancients were right in order to validate their religious text of choice. 2. They think that ancient people could only figure out simple things and if something is “simple”, it must be right.
“When you observe them , in focus….” Knowing that Flerfers would watch this the addition of ‘in focus’ has to be in there. As most of us have seen what they do with this suggestion. That’s right; post videos of what’s clearly out of focus images of various celestial objects as a gotcha.
If we're going to involve Stellarium in a globe proof, just the fact that the "firmament" is a full 360 degree spherical dome, and how it looks from locations all over the Earth, kills FE models dead. Turn off the terrain visibility and look down, and that matches the sky on that other side of the globe. Spain and New Zealand are great locations to compare.
And Stellarium is Open Source, so if they have "reverse-engineered" (as flerfs like to misuse yet another term they don't understand) FE to make it look like a globe, it would be possible to show us where in the code that happens. I've challenged many flerfs to do this, and not one has taken up the challenge.
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Very good! And now I have a new Astronomy app! Thank you very much! Love your content!
Because they are between the Earth and the Sun...? Why are 3 dimension so hard for them to comprehend? It's like when they say you shouldn't see the Moon during the day.
I love their stupid little 'the sun and moon are on opposite sides' claims because then the moon will *only* be visible at night...and it's clearly not lol.
their argument is that you don't know that the things in the sky are like earth. once you establish that the earth is a sphere, then you can use the appearance and movement of celestial objects to establish that the earth is just another planet in orbit around the sun.
@@johnqpublic7608 I guess that's kind of a good point that if you don't see the Earth as "just another planet" you wouldn't draw parallels to other planets.
Yeah, definitely don't hold your breath. It's been shown that holding your breath while waiting for an honest and scientifically accurate answer from a flat earther has a statistically higher chance of turning you into a flat earther than all of their "arguments" combined. Excessive laughter and blunt force head trauma from facepalming after hearing arguments also pose a high risk.
Less than a minute into the video, I can say that the very fact that we have a model that can be used to predict _exactly_ when and where they will be visible shows their claim to be absolutely absurd. Add to that the fact that they have no such predictive ability and, well... does anything more need to be said?
I also wonder how they can still be a flerf when we are able to predict hundreds of celestial events while they can't even predict the upcoming sunset/sunrise.
I've actually managed to spot Jupiter during the day in the sky with my bare eyes using stellarium because it was on the opposite side of the sky, but it took a lot of time and scanning the sky!
The flat earthers also don’t believe in gravity or space, so what is our earth sitting on then? Does this substance go on forever being that there’s no gravity? It’s absolutely absurd and makes no sense whatsoever. Somebody explain this one thing please?!
Occasionally they claim that the earth is a flat disk that's is accelerating upward, though they never explain what's accelerating it, how fast it's going, what it's traveling through, or how the evidence they have for any of this
Came for the debunking, stayed for the learning. Your videos are always so informative. Such a cool way to learn about the universe. And other topics you cover.
I don't even watch your videos for the debunking. I just like learning about stuff and the way you explain things makes it easy for someone with no experience to understand
Yeah, but if they don't ever actually present a model, then they don't have to worry about defending it when it's scrutinized for whether it works or not for things like astronomy or road trips!
I have always wondered why if flat earthers are so sure they are right then why don't they make a software that works to show how the flat earth model works and predicts the locations of sky objects like stelarium and sandbox universe do with absolute accuracy.
So, let me get this straight. Flerfs claim you can't look outside the Earth (at other planets and stars) to determine what the shape of the Earth is. Yet are trying to use other planets to determine the shape of the Earth?
Yup. They cant hold more than one thought at a time, thus they can never see their contradictions. It's the same thing for how the sunlight has limited range, but stuff further away from the Earth than the sun that is also emitting light...does not have the same limitation.
@@adryanclay Don't be sexist: she wasn't flawed, she only had a less marketable appeal! You can find more details on Flat Out's video 34. FLAT EARTH - Flat Earth Model Revealed!
The people in charge of keeping the flat earth a secret are freakin' really good at their jobs. The level of work it must've taken to meticulously work out how a heliocentric model of our solar system would work - proactively and retroactively coordinate the corresponding locations of celestial bodies for each day by mathematically predicting their cycles, movements and phases, relative to Earth - rendering this all out using CGI (I'll assume, since that's the usual go-to) and then (in the ultimate act of hubris) releasing all that information in a series of publicly available tools and archives for anyone to scrutinize - is all just insane. I can't really figure out why they went to all the trouble. Just admitting the earth is flat would've been WAY easier, I assume.
IT would , but then they would have to admit sun is local too. Obviously it’s not a nuclear fusion fire, so what is it. That’s a burning question they not ready to answer
@@Globeisahoaxx "burning" question... good one. I'm tempted to ask what's so "obvious" about the sun that you know it can't be fueled by fusion but I can't be bothered to bang my own head against a wall for however long it would take to give up on trying to point out objective reality. For the record, though: this strategy of saying vaguely intellectual sounding things while trolling comment sections of "globe" videos is probably the best way to go about earning some credibility for your cause. Good luck.
@@Globeisahoaxx "they would have to admit sun is local too" Please define "local". Can you prove the sun is "local"? Can you demonstrate how to calculate the width of the "local" sun and its distance from the surface of flat earth?
during a total eclipse I experienced if I recall correctly (2017).. planets (Venus? and Jupiter) became visible because the glare from the atmosphere (in the local area) was greatly reduced during totality. Very surreal actually.
That was absolutely the case in the eclipse this spring. It was amazing! And totally predicted by the heliocentric/globe model. Although I didn't realize that ahead of time, I just saw them show up and was blown away!
I experienced that one as well. Went to the ideal location in Northern Georgia. A brief, simple experience, but certainly more surreal than I initially anticipated.
It would be cool if you also did discussions on things like terraforming planets, conditions of newly discovered planets and what the planets/moons might be like that they think are habitable or could be made habitable.
@@DaveMcKeegana good old reliable camera and tripod is enough to debunk the flat-earth, but i guess they enjoy to live in their blissfull ignorance smh. 🙄
@@DaveMcKeegan What sort of equipment do you need to take to keep the cameras and other electronic kit from freezing up or having the batteries drain prematurely? Frankly, if you get the time, I'd be interested to see a video where you talk through all of the gear you're planning to take to Antarctica.
@@MrJustinOtis The camera is black so the heat from a 24 hour should prevent that from freezing 😉 The bigger issue I've read about is humidity when taking the camera back into the tent - but I'm already thinking about doing a video nearer to the time to explain the plan for everything I'm taking
@@DaveMcKeegandon't waste your time going Antartica, it won't change their minds, these are the same people that told me meteor showers are "angels fighting"
1) The model isn't wrong, flerfs just don't (want to) understand it. 2) Even if the model was wrong about this, that only means it's wrong about this one thing. Proving one thing wrong does not say sweet f/a about another thing.
Ok, I had never given much thought to what the night sky would look like from the equator, but that time lapse video of the night sky from there was really cool!
We don't just use stellarium to see where and when objects will be visible in the night sky; we link it to our mounts via USB and it will point our scopes EXACTLY to that object. THAT'S how precise it is!
I want to know why no flerfers have ever launched high-altitude balloons to do their own tests and gather their own footage. After all, it's something that's been done by at least a half-dozen RU-vidrs and a number of high school science clubs.
@@DonPusateri It's awesome how many videos there are here on YT of people sending balloons up to the edge of space and recording it. Yet not a single flerfer has managed to duplicate it. I guess they'd have to leave their basements to do that.
@@MrJustinOtisone did! A polish rapper. He then vanished from the internet for a few months before popping back in with an apology for ever being a flat earther lol
Fairly recently, I had a Flat Earther parrot the "if the Earth is going through all these motions, then why can't we feel them?" statement. I did the math and showed - with all the formulas and figures - how much force the Earth's rotation would have on a person with a specific weight. He kept saying "your numbers", but it was the physics and the math. I asked him to figure out how much force we would feel with the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the Sun's orbit around the galaxy's center. He never did. Flat Earthers base their beliefs on their guesses and feelings based on what they are taught by their cult leaders. They simply don't do the math or, as shown in this video, the geometry for their claims. If a con artist in their cult tells them something that aligns with their cult's teachings, they accept it. If their cult or its teachings is called into questions, the vast majority of Flat Earthers will have a fit (refer to the "Final Experiment"). Flat Earthers never test their claims. As long as they "feel" their claims are correct, they will believe their claims are correct.
They don't do the math because it involves more than counting on their fingers and toes and likely numbers with 3+ digits in either direction and those are *terrifying*! Just, just, just look at it! 1.0x10^-14 torr! Such a big negative number! Or spinning at 1000mph on the equator! So fast! AAAAHHHH!!!!
Yeah you really cant approach it with numbers. Maybe ask them why they feel stationary when driving a car? The answer is that the earth is like the inside of a car; its an inertial reference frame. We dont feel it because we're moving with it, not against it.
@@deadturret4049 they don't understand Thing A relative to Thing B lol. If they did, they wouldn't be flerfs. They also don't understand scale or how to think in 3D. Being able to do any one of those prevents flerfdom.
Great video. I like the simple but clever use of Stellarium and Universe Sandbox to confirm Venus elevation of 34 degrees in the sky at sunset, and show how it makes perfect sense in a proper model of the Solar system.
When Venus is high in the sky, it is usually Jupiter. I have seen more than one flat-earther video where Jupiter was mistaken for Venus due to it's brightness.
It’s so astounding how all these seemingly simplistic planetary motions combine to form the beautiful dance we observe every night. No wonder it took so long for astronomers to figure out heliocentrism. It’s a shame flat earthers can’t see it
Whether you believe in a globe or flat earth, you can't deny the heliocentric model works. The apparent motions of the stars, the planets, eclipses, etc. It's able to predict exactly where and when anything will be with precision. I'm still waiting for a flat earth model that can do the same.
Moving pictures or not, no matter how much you dumb it down, you'll never be able to dumb it down enough for a flerfer to understand. Their idiocy is willful. They refuse to learn because their faith (belief in the Christian god) is on the line.
I used to think flerfs were either idiots or grifters. Now I understand these things aren’t mutually exclusive. Absolutely LOVE the Springer Spaniel. Had one like him growing up. They are such wonderful dogs!! ❤
"Alas that's gonna be it...", calmly said after clearly explaining that the globe model is a rather astonishingly accurate model, and as equaly easy to falsify, were it not.
well I myself can say that stelarium is very accurate. i myself have a telescope and often use it, aswell as stelarium to search for stuff to see in the night sky.
The Final Experiment will likely not convert any flat earthers … we are already witnessing stunning levels of goalpost moving … but at least it seems we won’t have to deal with the equidistant azimuthal map that much anymore. They will all just “not have a model”.
It would be great if those who believe in the flat earth model were interested in learning what may actually be happening. Unfortunately, as they are not interested in learning, it’s difficult to try to teach them or informed them. The presentations you present are wonderful for me because I learn something new every day. Keep up the good work.
Wait, these people cannot understand this..? But anyway these people can’t understand the Moon merely reflects Sunlight so I don’t expect them to understand this😒
@@neil2796 I'm personally switching things up. usually, I just comment how stupid they are, but this time, instead of beating the dead horse, I just wanted to try smth new :)
