Four Hours In My Lai (5 of 7)

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Americans tell of USA infantry massacre and rape of allied civilian women and children in South Vietnam. US Army photos and film. NOTE NOT in hostile territory, NOT an enemy village in South Vietnam, no-one properly punished. (you get more for DUI or pot than Calley got, he was out in under four months, no one else punished at all.)
Most important was that SOME Americans knew better and tried to stop it AT THE TIME.
The black guy from Detroit, the helicopter crew , Pvt Berhart and others, goes to show who has morals and who doesn't. The dude from Detriot couldn't understand how how they didn't know morals form somewhere, and the helicopter pilot and others who likened them to Nazi's and didn't go to Vietnam to be the Nazi's
You sullied your allies with this, New Zealand and Australia are still dirty from this, it doesn't wash off. Our heroes have this stain on them even if THEY did no wrong.
Yet still in Iraq CNN shows the USA continuing with NAZI tactics, using civilians (children even) under duress to check booby traps and to knock on doors of suspected ambushes, against Geneva. Using civilian contractors with No accountability. WHEN ARE THE USA GOING TO LEARN.? Stop being the Nazi's, or at least censor your press and TV stop youtube etc. Hide what you do , the Nazi's at least knew that one, be decent enough to have shame.
Same with the BAIT for SNIPER programme, if bullets were left near a school in your town would someone other than a terrorist pick them up, would it be okay for a Army sniper to kill them as a terrorist then.? I can think of LOTS of reasons someone other than a terrorist would remove pyrotechnics, left lying around by the US army as bait.
Some people just are not thinking it's the old oxymoron "military intellegence".
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@whatisaspacebar 8 лет назад

My Lai wasn't an isolated incident. These attacks on civilian villages were common practice. This is the only one that is highlighted to make it seem like it was a "one off" act. Shame on the American men who engaged in this brutality- and shame on the government for dressing this one incident up as a singular 'men gone wild'. At least Germany openly admits and laments its past.

@chepickle 16 лет назад

I am very sorry you were (sort of) sullied by the jerks in this who did wrong. I was impressed by the few that could see right. The Detroit dude who refused, the tunnel rat, the chopper pilot, even the whistle blowers. I know a lot of Vets meant to do GOOD or at least not Evil.

@gracemelodia 16 лет назад

Was raping part of the order? Was raping a logical response "under hostile fire"? Was raping "not a violation of moral standard"? It may be understandable for some soldiers to go onto self-denial in order to survive the condemnation, but for the US military to come up with just one guilty person was pathetic. This is not to say that soldiers of other countries necessarily have higher moral standard, but at least they don't brag about their righteousness like the US do.

@dnfwme 12 лет назад

I solute all those men who refused to participate or tried to save innocent people.

@polymathforever 14 лет назад

I really don't think rape constitutes as killing. That is for sick self-satisfaction. As you said, the objective was to kill, not how. They had a choice in how to do it and some chose to rape, burn etc. That is a choice, not a command. You can kill ppl painlessly, and then you can make it as painful as possible. I don't see how other examples excuse the actions of these select soldiers. It is immoral in ANY situation, no matter who does it. War does not excuse crimes again humanity.

@polymathforever 14 лет назад

scalping, raping and burning is excessive. Soldiers are taught to be efficient in their kills. That's is how they are taught. When someone rapes or does excessive, unnecessary damage, it is usually seen as a form of vindictiveness that one derives pleasure from. It's also a certain interpretation of the order, which actually implies choice. And for choosing to do the unnecessary, those actions should have been tried and punished.

@polymathforever 14 лет назад

yeah i agree but I will never understand how these soldiers just keep using the excuse "we were following orders" when it comes to things like rape. If your instinct is to kill, you do not go around scalping and raping and burning people. That is above and beyond following orders and these men should have been tried and punished.

@chepickle 16 лет назад

Just not all in the one single incident, not all at My Lai, while they were doing My Lai they were also having an atrocity at a nearby village AS WELL, and we have seen the little girl that was napalmed etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. Those ALL in SOUTH VIETNAM the land of USA ALLIES, NOT the ENEMY I POINT OUT AGAIN. USA had appointed the leader after deposing the elected leader in the Republic.

@chepickle 16 лет назад

What relevance does does it have that Calley did or didn't commit one of the hundreds of rapes. The indictments were drawn up, Calley was a failure not to have prevented the murders rapes scalping's etc. USA Military were incompetent in general. Still seem to be that way to this day.

@joshjcarlson 15 лет назад

The one most affected by all of this was the hero of the group, Hugh Thompsan. He seems to show the most shame.

@rjhvegas1 15 лет назад

Good to see a few Men had some moral values. They all will anwser to a higher power.

@trcysttt 16 лет назад

A very important point, well taken. Thank you.

@emjaiz 13 лет назад

"carried out the orders in a moral fashion" You gotta be kidding me right? Raping, and torturing innocent civilians is carrying out orders in a moral fashion? This guy seems like he has no regrets.

@tripe2004 13 лет назад

Im disgusted by that guy who clearly has no regrets regarding this situation. What a piece of shit. How can you convince yourself you acted in a moral fashion after contributing to a rape and massacre???? At least the other guys are suffering from obvious PTSD. Fucking sick.

@antibulletdodger101 11 лет назад

Thompson, you were a good man.

@TheParadigmShiftTV 14 лет назад

I imagine you have nightmares of all the horrible events that happened while on duty. If you are against this sort of senseless violence you should join IVAW or similar organizations and become a voice against the insanity in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen etc... These empirical wars of conquest are today's Vietnam.

@MrWINNSLAW 13 лет назад

"I cannot blame Sgt. Hodges as much as I blame the higher ups: from the batallion cmdr. to the platoon leader. I am a former US Marine and to cage shit like this means following the chain of command. I'm aware of the unpopularity of the Vietnam War but, accountability starts at the top (officer levels)."

@komradepistoff6584 2 года назад

There's no argument that prosecutions for My Lai should have gone higher. For one thing, Medina should have been sentenced harshly for the way he incited this rampage. But that does NOT nullify the fact that accountability extends to ALL levels. If you witness a fellow soldier raping and butchering a young girl or shooting unarmed civilians, infants amongst them, your duty - as an American, as a soldier, as a human - is to defend the innocent, not to turn away, and DEFINITELY not to participate.

@chepickle 16 лет назад

Perspective ? How many classed do they give them on scalping the corpses of murdered civilians down there at Fort Benning, we don't have that sort of training in the New Zealand military. Thats the perspective I am coming from, what I was taught, by the RNZAF, what sort of animals are the USA.? Why was no-one punished?

@luvanime1986 21 день назад

In this part 5/7 GI's Harry Stanley and Michael Bernhardt of Charlie Company are the first soldiers I have respect for because, though they knew they could be brought up on charges in court martial or been shot or fragged by their own fellow soldiers, they did the right think and refused an illegal order.