I have been looking for a decent chicken defense round. This will make me feel more safe when I am patrolling the barnyard. Never know when the chickens will stage an uprising. it's good to know that this round will go through multiple chickens because they walk in single file to hide their numbers .
@@markhudson2266 sometimes foreigners mix the 380 for the 38 or 38super or I've seen south American countries shorten the name or model, Taurus pt738 pt938 sig 238 9mm short, 9mm kurtz, 380acp, 380auto, 9mm browning corto, 9x17 380 is an easy one List all the variants of 32/7.65
Ive been very curious about the effectiveness of these rounds great video being able to see it penetrate several substances was really informative on how well it works.
Loved it I've been looking at these rounds ever since I've heard of them. It's awesome that you did a video with the 380. I have the Smith & Wesson bodyguard 380 and was wondering about this round. Thanks.
For anyone who has questions regarding this rounds effectiveness, please look for a youtube member named ShootingTheBull410, he did a 3 part extensive review on this bullet and he will explain to you why this novelty round is nothing more than novelty.
Just found out that a former teammate was killed by one rip round that entered the back of his shoulder. One fragment punctured his lung as he ran away. He collapsed 150 yards away. All other fragments went into muscle
Haha sweet you're at IV8888's range! Would love to see you do a collab with him and Hickok some time. This round could come in handy against bears on the survival trip
If you watch the independent reviews, you'll find it isn't that impressive. The fragments don't penetrate deep enough to cause much damage. One guy here on youtube said it would probably cause nasty flesh wounds, but would havethe killing power of a .22
totallyunmotivated I know. I asked because I was just wondering. If the video was from a long time ago, the ammo might have been improved upon since then.
I thought self-defense rounds weren't supposed to be too high-powered so that you wouldn't hit anyone/thing you cared about behind your target... but you can't deny this round is impressive.
This ammo is all hype. Any standard hollow point round will do far more damage than this. You want the projectile to expand and impart 100% of it's energy into the target, not pass through like this round does. Very impractical. But it does look cool.
It's not meant for massive damage, it's meant for massive pain. Cus when defending yourself, you don't necessarily want to kill the guy, and imagine having not only a light gunshot wound, but multiple steaming hot copper barbs embedded in your muscle tissue.
Annalee H You shoot to kill, plain and simple. This round is not as effective as standard HP round. Nothing you just typed corresponds at all to real life self defense shootings.
Ben Duke hollow points are defense rounds. ALL projectiles could go through walls. It depends on the wall, load, and velocity. Hollow points can pass through human bodies, too. All depends on who you're shooting, where it hits, velocity, etc.
This is a round that will affect larger portions of the body as opposed to a single wound channel. If a JHP hits the chest, but not the heart, aorta, carotid or diaphram, it's a wound and not a kill. With a RIP round, a petal could hit any one of those and that is a kill and a very painful kill at that.
I think it would be much better if you used regular ammo to shoot the same targets when you use special ammo, this way we can really see the difference. That ballistic gel was awesome as well
wordiestdata the price of ammunition huh? So I take it you only value your loved ones at 3 rounds per attacker/rapist then? I'll stick with putting rounds in an attacker until my gun goes "click" thanks.
mpk1414 I'd rather empty every last round into the enemy that's attacking me or a family member. Much more satisfying. And there will be absolutely no doubt that my target is very, very, very neutralized.
I don't know about these things. This round seems like it's meant to maim in the most horrible way possible, rather than kill. The copper petals are cool to see in the ballistics gel, but what are they doing really? It looks like the ballistics gel was improperly mixed (look how much penetration the core had). It that's true, the little pieces of copper are probably not going to be deep enough to cause immediately mortal wounds. Instead, you're going to cause maximum suffering, and make medical assistance less effective. I feel like these rounds aren't made to be more lethal... they're made to be less humane. Stick to hollow point imo.
When firing a gun you are punching holes into a human body in the hopes that you hit and artery, organ or whatever it and shuts down the attack. Most wound channels more chances to hit arteries, organs and so on... Personally I like them.
Ghondi1 My point is that the extra wound channels aren't going to go deep enough to hit vital organs. You're better off with a hollow point if that's your purpose.
It doesn't have to hit vital organs. Arteries aren't as deep as organs. Also all that power it is going to release into the body instead of passing through is going through is a good thing. IMO The more holes the better chance of stopping and or hitting something to eliminate the threat, But to each their own. I will pick up some of these soon as I get a chance.
Arteries are much deeper in the torso than they are in the extremities. You need to get several inches in before you have a good chance of hitting something that will end the threat. As far as releasing all of the energy in the target, that tends not to be a problem unless you're using FMJ. Hollow points stop inside the body of your target just fine.
Falcrist They're not "petals" the ammunition is made in such a way where the actual projectile splits until its base, the base being more solid allows the split part of the projectile to expand at a greater rate than a hollow point. Like a parachute I guess would be a simple way to explain it. They're not designed to cause extra wound channels its to expand the shock, slowing the bullet so most of its energy can be dumped into the target, because the hydra static shock is much more deadly than the actual tearing of the projectile
the Sphinx isnt made by KRISS, only imported by them from Sphinx Arms in Switzerland. still one of the best handguns in the world, too bad you didnt get the machined titanium model.
EvilDiabolicalTinkering The scary part of DU rounds happens after you have been shot, because it still have some radioactivity and fucks you up, can give you cancer, so its not the wound itself that kills you, it also has a lot of penetration, maybe it is a good AT shell?
***** the high density is what it's all about.. Which yes leads to high penetration. The main issue is not the "radioactivities" but the residual affect it leaves on the area later. It causes high amounts of pollution..
+Ola Nordmann Depleted uranium is called depleted because the radioactive isotopes have been filtered out for use in nuclear reactors. It's actually LESS radioactive than naturally occurring uranium (about 60% less, actually) However, as with most heavy metals, its highly toxic. The reason militaries use it is because its a byproduct of nuclear industry, and its the heaviest naturally occurring element.
Never have used this ammo before but I'm certainly going to try some for myself. I carry a G19 in a waist holster and a KelTech P3AT in a ankle holster. Some times just the KelTech. (Please don't start crapping on KelTech. After some serious fluff and buffs and extra work, over 1000 rounds with no problems) In my 380 I typically run CorBon 380 Auto ammo in it. This looks like a great new substitute. I hope it's easy to find. It's a real pin to find what I use now.
I guess I don't understand this new ammo very well, that center part seems like it over penetrates which is not a good thing at all. The whole point of self-defense ammo is to not do that.
I like how at 0:24 you say that "it's going to release all of its energy and not going to pass through", but then at 2:42 "it went through this many chickens".
I hope that You and Eric will be working together in the future. With as much as I miss Barry I hope there is a way you could fill in for him. It would be a combination of two of my favorite RU-vid channels. Thanks for the video this bullet looks effective for dispensing a lot of energy in a short distance.
Digging the vids! And good one with the IV8888 range ;) I will stick with my gold dot and pdx1. A fair amount of testing has been done to this round and it is not that impressive. Oh and its way over-hyped and expensive. So you won't find anything here that you can't find anywhere else when it does perform, and when it doesn't perform you just spent a lot more money and are now dead. Hooray?
I have an idea for you . I've noticed that you like to shoot chickens , what if you get a lil bigger animal like pig or something that nature and after you shot it with different kind of ammo get an xray machine to show the bullet and bullet penetration of organs etc. That would be really cool looking and very unique. I'm not sure how much $ is xray machine and how you will do it , but it's up to you to figure that one out ;) GL P.S. I'm actually Russian so as always... Have a nice DAY!
A regular FMJ or JHP round will do just fine in self defense. The shockwave generated by the bullets impact and travel through your flesh usually drops or stops someone in their tracks, aside from the pain and flesh tearing associated with it. This? Well, this is just fucked up. This is strictly made to kill. Whats that? Missed all vital organs? Hey no problem, with this round you'll plink them all with 1 shot. Christ
sacr3 while a knife can be used to kill and as a tool for surgery to heal someone, you won't find a firearm in the same setting. Of course it's fucked up and of course it's strictly made to kill, that is what firearms were designed to do.
Kevill Exactly, And more than half of the people see them as toys, as fun pieces of metal that "can't kill", where a knife is on the same level as a gun. Yea, stabbing someone is just as effective as shooting someone, lets give our military knives instead. Oh wait, it takes a lot more effort and you can fight off a knife attack easily. Guns on the other hand? You can stand 10 feet away and pile 8+ rounds into their flesh just because you blacked out from rage because buddy cut you off on the road. Only for you to realize what you did afterwards, filled with guilt, suicidal, while being fucked in jail. Guns make it too easy, WAY, to easy. You point, the person cowards. All you have to do is flick your finger.. thats it... point.. and flick.. Whereas a knife? Or a bat? Or a rock? No, you have to actually run at them, hit them, or stab them while they punch back and all during this you get hurt and may pull out, they may take the weapon from you, you may lose.. its too much effort.. Hence why it doesn't occur as often, deaths related to those attacks are minimal. But a gun?
Kevill Good, but unfortunately there are a lot mentally unstable individuals that do carry firearms. Thats why we have such a high death rate related to Firearms.. Now its near mandatory to carry a firearm, since all the maniacs own one as well. Only way to protect yourself now.
sacr3 I haven't found any evidence to support that statement. Unless you mean illegally carry in which case, yeah. They'll do that anyway, they do in the UK, Australia, China, Japan, all that good stuff where the guns are of course banned or heavily controlled. My biggest worry is what is backed by solid evidence when it comes to lawfully carrying individuals. That worry being that a few too many are total idiots. Hur dur I shot my son while cleaning my gun. ????? How is that even possible, you don't.. I mean.. you.. clean.. but.. clean a gun you take it apart.. so.. you can be certain that in those cases it's all lies and they fucked up and did something unsafe, etc. Or women thinking their 4 year old child can't pull the trigger on mommy's gun in her purse.
Wow. I wouldn't be surprised if that ammo gets banned in some states. The amount of damage that did is just nasty. Imagine how much internal bleeding that would cause.
I much prefer this style of production without the background music and the silly shots with a second camera that you're not looking at. It's much nicer to watch; feels like it used to be. Hope to see more like it!
"This round is not as effective..." blah blah blah. People don't realize that while its not going to leave a fucking baseball sized hole in somebody, the incredible amount of internal bleeding these would cause (especially with 2-3 rounds) will drop somebody just as quick if not quicker than anything else
its been proven in multiple test videos of it going through a bunch of different materials before hitting the target and still performing as it says, but everybody shits their pants over the initial kinetic transfer and disregards what the round actually does
deltawolf1124 Ignoring the fact that Liberty has made almost identical ammo for a while now, Speer Gold Dot is demonstrably better in regards to temporary cavity (aka the "stopping power"). See, when a bullet hits soft tissue, the temporary cavity is what displaces important bits and causes oh so good hydrostatic shock, all of these things are what brings someone down in a defense situation. You can quickly look up Guns' slow mo with RIP and BrassFetcher's slow mo with 9mm Speer Gold Dot and pause at the largest point of temporary cavity. Not only does the Gold Dot have a deeper initial temporary cavity from impact, but the overall cavity is also larger, meaning more displacement of vital bits and more hydrostatic shock. Because RIP breaks apart so quickly, the core is the only thing carrying the temporary cavity deep into tissues, and it is quite small. Would RIP be a bastard to deal with medically? Sure, but that doesn't make it more effective at putting down someone when you need to. And that's just Gold Dot, there's also hydra-shock and golden saber to talk about among others that do the job quite possibly better. These "tests" are riddled with people calling it a gimmick round, which it basically is. This is the new Black Talon.
im perfectly aware that the temp wound cavity is smaller, thats what i was talking about with everybody pointing out that with this round. that being said, im still pretty sure that with the main wound channel, and all the secondary fragment channels will cause more than significant damage to put the target down, increasing exponentially with multiple rounds
deltawolf1124 The wounds do not put targets down, unless they hit vital organs. Hydrostatic shock and organ displacement put targets down. I'd much rather put my faith in the shock that you can cause hitting anywhere than hoping something vaguely random manages to hit a vital organ and not just get rammed in a bone, which is totally likely. Someone on yotuube did a gel/rib test where the shards barely made it through the ribs, and very well may not in real scenarios. All and all, a shot to the stomach with a standard HP will always beat one with one of these on stopping power, though RIP may have better wound potential.
Loved the chicken-captured slug base, specially how it was highlighted in the video-still, don't know who you got on your team recently, but it is a good combination ;-). Keep up the good videos guys. (What does that round do to a block of ice?). Since it would cool the projectile on and through impact, and it is substantially a hard subject, it would be nice to see.
Yeah. When he said "that's pretty damn impressive" I was like *"WTF? This is shit!"* It might be good for rabbits/coyotes/crazy chickens but not humans.
I'm pretty sure this video is an ad for RIP ammo. Just about every gun/ammo review site I read has concluded that this is ammo is a gimmick and that traditional JHPs such as the Speer Gold Dot or the Federal HST are better in every way.
@@wojtekimbier You're welcome to be the target at 5 meters. It usually doesn't penetrate as deep as it did with the chickens, but you're not going to put a bandaid over the wound...I'll stick with my Hornady Critical Duty, just as good as Speer Gold Dot.
Not really. The point of carrying a gun for self defense is to stop the threat. 9mm has the notorious ability to over penetrate, so it can take more rounds. Since this creates so much more damage much quickly with the smaller round, you can stop the threat quicker. You don't shoot to wound, this isn't the movies.
snipesrock I have one thing to say about your comment. You ready? Here it goes: Beautifully stated. If someone is after my three year-old kid (I don't have kids, but still, you get the point), I want to drop them like a bag of meat. I want their shit to be fucked up beyond repair. I want them to be dead. End of fucking story.
You sir are stupid. It's not sociopathic. It's the responsibility of carrying a weapon. You DO NOT shoot to wound. You ONLY shoot to stop the threat. You always aim for center mass, no fancy headshots or limb shots. This isn't hollywood, it's real life. When the threat is stopped, on the ground or running away, you stop firing and stay back until authorities show up. I carry, I have 2 1.5 year old children. I will stop any threat to my family even if it means I have to kill it.
i really liked the ballistic gel! would love to see it more often! in my opinion you couldn't see the effect of the bullet on the chickens very well, i think it would be better if you stick to the balistic gel because you can see right trough it
Yep man... The round enters, and only a tiny piece exits...the fragmenteds doesn't seem to penetrate ideally. Not used by law enforcement, so much more research has to be done. if a projectile loses pieces, it will lose most of the energy. And we want a big punch to the chest to give the first knockout pain and great permanent cavity.
This is an awesome round. The points breach the surface of whatever you shoot, and the slug in the rear of the projectile just keeps on going through whatever hole you punched. Wonder how much it costs...
dimitri, loved this. would've been great if you had a comparison between normal "self defence" ammunition and this new ammunition. while there are alot of gun enthusiasts here...there are alot of people who came to learn, including myself. just a thought
My experience with defense ammo has been limited to Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetrator, Precision One HP/XTP, Federal HST, Hornaday XTP, Sig Sauer Elite V-Crown, Speer Gold Dot, and Magtech Guardian Gold with the Federal HST’s penetration, expansion, and consistency taking 1st place. I’m anxious to try out the G2’s offerings. I’m not surprised by the lack of substantial penetration of the G2’s performance due to the expansion of the trocars slowing the round down upon impact and initial penetration. Great vids! keep them coming.
I've seen this round several times but seeing the true devastation of this round is impressive. For home invasions a 12 gauge with buckshot wins me over. But for self defence this could truly make a difference.
So I'd imagine a Self Defense round to be something designed as a less lethal alternative that disables the target or makes them easier to subdue/ get away from. Like a Rubber Bullet or something, for instance. This looks like it's just meant to kill the fuck out of someone. Effective, yes... But why not just get regular hollow point or something?
Of course you would want a 1 shot kill self-defense round. Why would you shoot an attacker once and have him live? That way he will sue the shit out of you and you will end up in court with lawsuits. Of course a 1 shot kill is the way to go.
Because if you kill him they still have to investigate you for murder, because wheather or not it was self defense you will still have killed someone. I would prefer not to have to kill someone when I can just incapacitate them, and I would also never like to be in court facing possible murder charges.
I can't believe some of the uninformed, ignorant comments here... Thanks for the review, the ammo is just fantastic and does just what it's supposed to do destroy the target/attacker. Bravo! I'm impressed... a definite carry ammo for the 380.
Wrong. This ammo sucks, because the fragments don't penetrate enough to reach the vitals. It's barely more effective than fmj. YOU are the uninformed, ignorant one.
Shooting someone in the chest with 1 9mm round of RIP is the equivalent of shooting someone with a fragmenting 22lr then a round nose 22lr out of a pistol. It will still kill yes but its no where near the performance of other JHP rounds. Out of a rifle this preforms decently.
12jason223 how is this crap any decent out of a rifle? 9mm gains relatively little speed out of longer barrels, and even if it did, the low mass of the trocars wouldn't allow them to penetrate much more
Nicoló Aldrovandi .22BMG not the pistol calibers. They have 300 black out that does decent in ballistics gel. By no means is this amazing or extremely deadly ammo.
RIP packs a punch, was quite surprised to see, even the .380 ACP's effect on the object previously known as a watermelon was really surprising. I have seen a HP 380 ACP just make a hole slightly larger than the FMJ, going through a watermelon ... but this round cut that dang'd thing in half! ...ok, gotta' go shopping now.
I see you're working with Iraqivet8888 still. Good to see the RU-vid Gun community working together to produce videos! Still don't like this ammo for self defense... but it could be pretty fun for making things pop on the range!
there is some truth to this statement. unfortunately, it would not be a fun day in court explaining to the court that the ammo you used to defend yourself is designed to "kill", with the RIP name. I know that's just a name. But these days, as nit picky as this sounds, I'd rather the ammo has defense on the name. Lawyers will do anything to win against you, even picking on the ammo's name. or at least use a neutral name such as Federal's well documented very good defense round, the HST. Hornady Critical defense 12GA shells in the shotty for the same reason.
Great video! Very deadly ammo, just thinking out loud but I wonder if in the case of actually having to defend yourself would it look bad in the courts that you had used ammo named "RIP" lol I know it doesn't mean rest in peace in the case of this ammo but a jury of non-gun people it may look worse on your part. Anyway great vid and keep up the great work :)
