G9 Defense 9mm+P External Hollow Point Ballistic Test 

Do you recommend the G9 for a glovk 43x?

@@Adirt Absolutely!

@@G9Defense Any plans to cater these to micro 9mm pistols? 1610fps out of a S&W CSX would be very nice ;) I want a 9mm that hits like an underwood 135gr JHP 10mm lol.

I'm torn between G9 and Underwood for penetrator rounds. I usually order from Optics Planet ot Lucky Gunner so it's really whatever is available at order time. Both seem solid. Currently, I'm carrying Gold Dot but... It's hard to justify that now lol

@@abrb1223 The standard pressure runs great in subcompacts / micros! +P does too, you just get a less complete powder burn in those shorter barrels.

I should have mentioned for anyone interested the hollow point that did the most damage was the Barnes tax-xp, which Buffalo bore, Doubke tap and Corbon DPX all use as well but these G9 external hollow points were devastating through the hard bone of bore they will go through glass best Cary load

@louv4437 have you tested the woodsman version on hogs?

@@coldsteel.and.courage no sorry I never had those.

@@louv4437 I'd be willing to bet they'd make a sweet hunting cartridge

@@coldsteel.and.courage I will have to check them out, I can tell you those external hollow points were devastating to tissue

I like that G2. Even though it tumbles I’m satisfied with that. Is that the Canada smoke in the background"

Thank you.

​@@GunSamSam where can I find the video of you playing guitar ?

@@Mike-cp3xr I don't really record playing anymore, but I found this old one ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oUHPCvTStrQ.html

​@@GunSamthanks Sam ...was looking for " how I spent my teenage years"... best I can remember . Love sharing that video with my friends.. just like all your other videos ! Blessings ! Mike ✝️🙏🎸

​@@GunSam P.S. You play guitar like you shoot ! Mike

I am still skeptical of it all.

They both perform about the same but g9 is the better bullet with excellent customer support. They also have the better 45 acp load. Sometimes g9 ammo deal sale codes make it significantly cheaper than underwood. G9 has specifically designed their ammo to never pierce through 3a armor lethally which I personally don't like. Underwood is the better loader and can be cheaper sometimes and wins no doubt in 9mm and 10mm with much better performance not because of bullet shape, but because of loading and bullet weight

Thank you for the reply . I'm always interested in information like that especially regarding self-defense ammunition . Incidentally , I picked up a few boxes of the Underwood Penetrators at my LGS but have yet to fire a single round . I'll post a comment when I try 'em out . Thanks again for your in-put .@@jason200912

What made you choose standard over +p

​@@jason200912 whats the difference between normal and +p? He probably picked normal because he doesnt know alot about the difference in rounds. Tell us?

@@whatanamazingusername7962 standard makes smaller wounds for fluted bullets

​@@whatanamazingusername7962 +p has more gunpowder in it generating higher bullet velocity but also higher chamber pressures. Not all firearms are rated for +p and they can damage or outright blow up a firearm not rated to handle it. Those that can still don't recommend a steady shooting diet of +p as they wear out parts much faster.

Thanks for watching!

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I filmed another video of Gold Dot VS G9 Vs Xtreme Defender but in .380 ACP. I felt in that test, the results between the copper fluted rounds were the opposite results. That being said, the standard pressure Underwood version had a good 50 ft lbs more energy behind it so maybe that is why.

I had to go to a couple of places to find it. Look around a couple places and you’ll probably find some.

It is something I am aware of to some degree. I have not seen that video, but I have said that I am skeptical as I can poke a football pump in gel and create that same damage. I often tell people that the damage that seems to be from air, I cannot comment on if it really does well in the real world as there's no real world data to cross reference, but the damage in gel with hollow points tends to be from petals cutting, which we can take at face value.

I'm sure your plenty safe with a 9mm I don't think the military would be using 9mm as there side arm if it wasnt more than capable of doing the job!

@@ryanswinney5026how often is a side arm used in combat

Unless you are in an mag restricted state why 8 rounds? I carry both my 15 rnd mag and an 18+2 of 9mm

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It does not , g9 ammo v body is much more devastating anything with hydrostatic pressure (a body) is where this ammo shines

I did test it. Just haven't released the video.

Less spin to stabilize would be my guess.

I don't recall as it's been a month, but if I try to recall it felt about like normal standard pressure ammo.

@rjherb5895 Micah from garand thumb shows that low weight bullets significantly reduce recoil in his port vs comp video

Probably none assuming they are identical quality and mirrored perfectly

Nvm Google says counter clock causes the bullet to go a little higher in flight path. While clockwise causes the bullet to fall a little more

Yeah, if you look close they have the design of a white spandex tank top.

Looks like 9mm, 10mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP and .380 ACP is all they come in. I did test the .380 version a couple weeks back, haven't released the video yet.

No

You could always buy the 9mm ammo and pull the bullets to load into 357 sig cases. I assume you hand load because almost everyone that shoot 357 sig is a reloaded. XD

I don't know what that means.

At the beginning of the vid, you mentioned using baseline ammo, one of the being Federal HST I thought I heard you say. That is what I was referencing. Regardless good vid thanks for sharing.

124 grain gave best accuracy vs. 115 grain.

I do not know a lot about barrel twists or what my pistols have.

After some searching it looks like they both have a 1 in 10 twist, so it probably is the velocity difference. And now I'm out of ideas

I would imagine that the bullet would deform significantly enough that the flutes wouldn't work all that well. Most of your bullet lead is something around 5-10 Brinell hardness, hard cast is generally somewhere in the 15 range as where copper is twice as hard as hard cast lead. I think part of the design that isn't talked about is the Xtreme bullets are often in 9mm, about 65 to 90 gr as where the Xtreme Penetrator bullet is 115 gr. It's no coincidence that the heavy one goes deeper, so the flutes are sort of an afterthought that help a tad to slow the bullet down. Even though the Xtreme Defender and Xtreme Penetrator have different flute designs, if you made that 115 gr have the same flute pattern as the Xtreme Defender, I think it would still over-penetrate. So my answer is no, because the flutes would probably crush, and even if they didn't the weight would be too high to slow down and not over-penetrate.

@GunSam ★ That's great information. More details than I had, as yet, considered. I really appreciate your answer. Thank you.

I don't know really. I am sure there are calculators or other means to find out, but I don't really have a good way to test that myself.

@@GunSam Ah yes... ballistic calculators are a thing. Thanks for reminding me! :P

@@Sceptisthis is a self defense round. It’s hard to justify self defense at long range

You never know. A lot of people are under the assumption that more barrel means hundreds of FPS more. Often times depending on the ammo that's not the case. You can't make something weak becomes a ton more powerful with more barrel. I can't comment on something as obscure as this ammo, but I don't honestly think the increase would add much added effect. Most 9mm+P ammo gains 50% more than 400 ft lbs energy from a pistol to carbine, 400 to 600 ft lbs. It's not amazing. Something like a .357 Mag from 4" revolver to carbine with hot ammo is more like 600 ft lbs increasing to 1,200, and that's a lot more.

I think you mean the Extreme Defender

@@PatriotPaulUSA yeah that

The bullet diameters are similar between the two calibers. In terms of foot lbs energy in duty size guns (5" semi auto VS 4" revolver) you usually are around 400-450 with the 9mm+P and 500-600 with .357 Magnum. The one main difference is that .357 Magnum will support heavier bullets with full power like 140, 158, 180 gr will still have 500-600 ft lbs energy but 9mm starts getting weaker and weaker with more bullet weight. Like 115 gr+P+ has more power than 124 gr+P+, the 135 gr has less power than 124 gr and 147 gr is super weak. A 147 gr 9mm+P will max out at like 350 ft lbs energy and a 158 gr .357 Mag as much as 700 ft lbs energy, but when you go down to 110 gr .357 Mag VS 115 gr+P+ 9mm you can get similar energy.

@@GunSam ok...no comparison at all👍

In terms of the actual cartridge, a 9mm or even a 9mm+P out of a carbine might hit 600 ft lbs energy as where a .357 Magnum is easily over 1,000 ft lbs energy. The real comparison comes when a 2" .357 Mag snub nose is used, as often times the energy is at around 400 ft lbs which is about the same energy as 9mm+P in about the same size firearm. The .357 Mag has twice the recoil in guns that small though.

Can't say I agree. There's not really much real world data on how they perform against bad guys. There's a good chance they wouldn't work that great, but until I see some data, one thing I can say is that hollow points do work so I am going to keep using them.

A clean shoot is a clean shoot. List names and dates of person prosecuted and when as a result of using this specific ammo.

And I should just say the extreme Defender

They are $29.69 for 20 rounds on the cheapest website, others are $30-$32 or so. Most of Underwood's Xtreme ammo is $29.50 on their website, other retailers have it for as cheap as $21.33 depending on the website. Your strong suit is not math as $21.33 times two is $42.66, which is more than $29.69.

@@franklinmarks7845 If you want an ammo that seems to not perform quite as well to save your life with, and that $8.36 more for G9 is way too expensive for your life, than all I can say is it's your life, not mine. I am not saying that in the real world one is better than the other, but even if they are all the same why are we here debating what is or isn't good enough for your life saving equipment when it's all over $8.36?

Okay nevermind the extreme Defenders 90 grains hard $21 box the cheapest I can find the G9 was 29

​@@GunSamyeah I mean it's a pistol bullet you're more concerned with the penetration then damaged tracks, I mean I know the damage is good, what they say Island pathologist cannot tell the difference between a 9 mm or a 44 magnum till they locate the bullet, the skin elasticity starts to break after like two thousand feet a second

I personally would take the TAC-XP. They expand, they cut. I can't confirm that these bullets do anything other than look pretty in gel.

@@GunSam Haha. Yeah good point. Pun intended.

I can't remember who told me this on here, might have even been you lol...but they said there was a few instances of TAC-XP being used in the real world and they were extremely effective.

@@GunSam I have no personal experience. May have been someone else.

Someone said the one specific example was from a real world crime show, like the First 48 or something like that. They said the dead body contained an "extra lethal bullet" or something like that (you know how the anti-gun agenda spins things) and coming out of the body it was fully expanded to the typical massive 3/4" thing that they often do in gel.

The way I have always seen it, is that I would gladly explain I feared for others' lives. The only reason I would shoot that far would be at a very clear mass shooter in a big area like a parking lot or mall or whatever. The distance of 100 yards looks really close in an urban environment, if you asked someone how far away this or that is in a Walmart parking lot, they would probably say 100 feet if in reality it was 300 feet away.

@@GunSam I can understand that but wow need a great backstop. You would have to worry about the public. You probably wouldn’t have a 5 inch barrel at a mall would you? I did some shooting from 50 yards with my Canik with a 4.07 inch barrel. I was happy to hit from that distance. Now I’m going to try 75 yards. If it’s 100 yards I’ll grab my deer 🦌 rifle.

@@allenbolen9705 To be clear, I wasn't training. I was just seeing how accurate the ammo is for this review.

@@GunSam I realize that. You would be using your carry ammunition. You shoot very well so it’s clear you’re getting some practice! Your everyday carry is a snuby revolver isn’t it?

Yeah I generally carry the LCR .327 Federal. That gun shoots pretty good, if I tried I think I could easily land at 100 yards also.