Getting to Hades with ZERO boons to get secret dialogue! /Hades/ 

More specifically for selling boons, but yeah he would insult us no matter what.

@@JonesCrimson funny because the pnöy reason he sold them was because they were unavoidable to get lol

Damned if you do Damned if you don't

Thanks dad

I think he's insulting you in case the player actually beats Hades without the boons. Think of it. A person who has the choice to be blessed by gods only turns them down. Confident enough to take you down, viewing yourself as weak.

@Locke Dunnegan My first escape of the game involved using the plume all the way through lmao. Then Hermes gave me that auto-dodge boon in Tartarus. You don't have to learn boss patterns if you flip a coin every time they hit you

Funny enough that’s how I beat 32 heat

Wait... What

@@ADSadachbia Sisyphus' keepsake, at its max strength, doubles your attack, special, and cast damage, but only when you have no boons.

@@DolusVulpes i know that. I just didn't took it as metaphor to Sisyphus Boulder and a hint of beating game with no boons

This man casually unzipped his pants and dropped bowling balls on top of what I thought were my amazing golf balls. Now all I have are golf discs and shame.

I'd only be impressed/cared if he did 32.

@@korrenthereaper4357 ok miles

@@korrenthereaper4357 You can max out the tight deadline, approval process and underworld customs for 12 heat. What is the difference? It's still a boonless run

Yeah somehow I could tell this guy is literally the most godlike player of this game I have ever witnessed. I suck an unbelievable amount at this game and ended up losing to the stupid brimstone beam enemies (Not that I won't keep trying to get further). This Haelian could destroy them in a glance without taking damage he's probably both insanely experienced at this particular game AND talented because you need both to destroy this game THIS hard.

In mine as well and then Hades told me grab a "cold one" from the fridge and said he's proud of me.

@@malenkas3 Ha! What a dream. The good ending.

I just noticed he uses a cast with the Aphrodite boon on it in the Charon fight. Doesn't even do the run right lol.

Funny is that I saw a dialog like this on a youtube video. But I don't know what video anymore.

@@napppstar0 He sold the Boon before he arrived to Asphodel though, so he used the normal Cast, without Aphrodite's Boon.

Oof

Lmao this reminds me of the old "you missed a tinted rock! Ya dingus!" Classic :)

@@sammylucas6395 hutts, was a thing

Oh that one time I had exactly 999 gold and Charon had a diamond :')

@@sammylucas6395 ah hutts

best last boss theme since Earthbound imo

Alsmost as great as F-Zero Music

The dude who made the soundtrack (also voiced Zags) did NOT have to go that hard

"third phase"? fuuuuuck.

Third phase? Wtf, I've been busting my ass to beat 2nd phase. I'm sad.

"*I* didn't tell anyone. The video I recorded, on the other hand..."

@@Talguy21 Hades: You did WHAT?!

It's such a nice game

Totally didnt even consider this

exactly what I was thinking lol

He doesn't need titan blood because he already maxed everything

@@mr.clevertrick8710 he talks about wanting to buy it (he's joking)

Dang it all

@@mr.clevertrick8710 I mean, it's sitting there, he's been accumulating gold for the entire run because no boons, he's sooo close and it's taunting him... It's the kind of thing where you feel like you'd never be able to get it normally when it pops up there so it's like a victory over the game if you can buy it without intentionally farming for it. Wouldn't you want it too?

More like: "Huh, it doesn't smell like bitch this time."

yes

I read that part in brackets with the games narrators voice xD

Oh, Gods bless you !

Tanks

this man needs more upvotes

Thanks, I wasn’t looking forward to watching the entire shitty video for three minutes

@@martinbarnes5647 shitty video? Wow.

me too, they’re crazy i beat 16 for the first time recently and was like “oh cool i must be at least in the midgame” then watched a video beginners guide and they said “this is for players new to the game, so we’ll focus on 0-20 heat duuuude

@@haysdixon6227 right? I feel like I played the game for ages and my best was 9 heat

I've gotten to where I can easily do progressively harder Heats after beating each. I start out maxxing out Extreme Measures then the one that increases # of enemies on screen. After those, I've added Damage Control.

@@sambasambasamba6931 me too, i feel like i did so much already but i am still at gama warden level and a bunch of stuff left to buy for the house contractor lol

But would Hades care?

The question isn't if it screws with shackle, but rather if it would count against the dialogue. I was pretty certain chaos boons wouldn't work against the shackle, since they're just secondary boons. But I can absolutely see them destroying this dialogue for some reason, even though I think the game itself doesn't even count Chaos as an Olympian.

@@dowfreak7 I just did this challenge and took Chaos boons and still got the dialogue from Hades.

It was more about "does Chaos count if I want to title it as a boonless run?" According to my last video where I did this, Chaos was cheating.

@@Haelian Arguing semantics with twitch chat or YT comments for challenge runs is the worst. Just not taking chaos would be the best choice then, I guess.

Practice makes perfect I guess, I've been milking the game the past 2 weeks now, still a long way I think from reaching the epilogue, anyways the trick is to find some good offerings to combine, there's a ton in this game depending on your playstyle I guess, though even after having 75 hours in the game I still get confused between hammer upgrades/boons/offerings lol, I would say that Dionysus's offerings are good with the poison build up or if u can work on getting the duo offering between Ares/Artemis that also deals a ton of damage. Work on upgrading the mirror of night talents to the max in case you haven't it will definitely aid you in beating the game with higher heat levels. Also if you're having issues with the bosses of each underworld then try and use the keepsake (forgot its name) that gives you a 5 hit invincibility for each underworld boss encounter if you max it out. Hope this helps.

Its all about practice and preference. Right know I have little to no trouble for Hades 2nd form (first form is a nightmare for me), but Elyseum trash mob are HORRIBLE

I found that the easiest, most reliable 1 heat run for me is to just use one stage of Calisthenics Program (only recently got my first clear, and the second was a 1 heat with that setup, been able to get to Styx/Hades pretty reliably that way tho). Not sure if it'd work for you(or if you're even still stuck in 1 heat), but hopefully you make/made the breakthrough!

@@nintendork9207 just play n you'll get better , took me about 80-90 runs to consistently win , most things take a 100 tries to get good at something n you master it arou 1k , allthough realisticly everyone is different and such precise estimation are obv false , but not entirely wrong either

Really? I below 5 heat could do this in second try. Game is easy, even Hades fight and the only thing that can stop me is summons... I can't Focus on Hades summons and bombs on the same time

Hades shit talks so much Zag for using boons while he himself owns a legendary spear and a fucking invisibility cloak

@@akitpe3091 I mean, he has every right to. Hades may be using legendary weapons and armor, but Zag is using that _and_ the help from Olympians and Chaos _and_ the help from Nyx (via Darkness) _and_ the keepsakes _and_ the companions _and_ the Titan's blood _and_ literally changing the layout of the place. He cheats a lot lol.

@@HunterTracks The place changes its *own* layout to make it harder for people (including Zag) to escape.

@@somdudewillson True, but Zag requisitions changes to make going through it easier so it sorta balances out.

@@HunterTracks I would argue the mirror doesn't count as "help" honestly. Nyx gave it to him, but by his birth, Zag is tied to darkness, and made of it too I think? So really any strength he gets from the mirror is just him unlocking his own potential.

I dont get why family favorite would be cheating tho

@@tugsuumovies1999 The logic is that since it gives you more damage the more boons you have, you're still benefiting from boons for at least a few rooms before you sell them. Personally I'm neutral on the issue.

I just think that the point of this run is to get the dialogue, so as long as Chaos doesn't count towards that, I don't really care. I don't know if it counts though. If you truly want a no-boons run simply for the challenge, you could remove Chaos boons and Family Favorite, but it's an arbitrary restriction run. The rules are arbitrary by definition.

@@BFedie518 He only had 1 boon max so it gave %5 bonus damage to him. That is acceptable.

This^ back when we were too broke to afford a lot of defiance, and when we lost to the mobs before we even got to the boss. Those things that let you survive longer let you practice your timing longer. They are pretty great for the learning curve. I mean hell if actually know what you're doing for easy picks, and end up taking tidal dash or some shit just spamming all the mobs into walls to clear, you really didn't learn how they move or how to dodge their attacks. So in the long run I feel like using feather duster and tooth (maybe even the combo breaker invul thing I'm forgetting the name of) are pretty damn important for the learning curve.

congratulations!

It's a lot of very specific trigger timing, maneuvering to back-stab as much as possible, and knowing which hammers help more than others... He's hitting the maximum damage boost from perfectly charging the Bow attack each time (it charges a little faster right after a dash, so he's also using dash-attacks each time), he's able to "Critical" (3x damage) 15% of the time due to putting 5 Titan's Blood into the Zagreus Aspect, and he's getting +100% damage from Shackle and dealing 2x damage from the Twin Shot hammer upgrade. He's just played so many times through the game that he knows how to get maximum potency out of a given build or set of boons/upgrades, and has the muscle memory and practice w/dashing behind enemies to make the most of each attack.

It's mainly the Sisyphus keepsake and the twin shot Daedalus upgrade that you're seeing. There's a few other elements, but mainly it's those two things. Those two items are giving him 400% base-damage on his Attack.

It doesn't even make sense to use shackle for Tartarus, seeing as Tartarus is super easy

@@keystonelyte whej you've played a lot, yes. When you are just starting and even Tartarus is a legitimate struggle, no.

@@Mediocresinger there are things that make the run easier out of the gate than shackle

I haven’t even thought about Dusa's keepsake, let alone equipped it, in like 100 runs. It’s a shame, she’s one of the best characters but has one of the worst keepsakes.

@@B_Skizzle Yeah, agreed. At some point, it just becomes pointless.

Lucky tooth as well. Uou just growvout of it

@@dinoaurus1 The tooth carried my first few Hades wins.

@@BFedie518 i mean yeah its amazing if you need an emergency death defiance but otherwise not so much

It was added in the test branch/will be added next patch.

@@WorkignTF2 I realized after I made the comment that the line might not have been added until then too lol :) Thanks :D

@@annoyingpos Just realized that same thing here, I got a really good run with the hoarder slash, trying to get all the epic boons, savings the roll for the last selling shop, got a 2 sacks on styx of health and money and realized that my keepsake is only 80% and the clip is on the test branch lol

Had chaos boon and didn't get it, the comments were right

@@rns6889 i think you weren't playing on the test branch at the time, so the dialogue didn't exist yet

Well, he said no one AT THE HOUSE.

He ended up not using any boons solely for the extra dialogue from daddy.

It's not whether or not it affects shackle, of course it doesn't. It's about not knowing whether or not it affects the dialogue from hades

Interesting ty for testing that

Cool info. I remember thanatos being flustered when zagreus asked him about skelly so i thought it was from him.

dude how did you beat it with 32 heat, i keep dying in asphodel even with the lucky tooth and owl pendant lol

Were those keepsakes different, two years ago when you posted this? Built correctly, skull earring is powerful with the bow. And distant memory is basically free bonus damage with the bow, rail, or with the hidden aspect of the spear. The most useless keepsake in the game is Thanatos's. If you're good enough to never get hit in every room and earn its buff, you don't need its buff!

imo its only useful in bosses that don't move much, like the hydra and the fury sisters, unless you get cristal clarity from artemis.

seriously i tried this with a hoarding slash nemesis set up, and got destroyed ;-; then again, i was trying no mirror and no boons, so it was aweful.

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Of course, but doubling your damage for this challenge is probably going to push you further.

@@JulieLamia plus the goal of this run was to have shackle in your inventory for the hades fight anyway, right?

MINIMAL SPOILERS after you defeat tbe boss once, the house contractor will let you unlock "infernal gates" very hard encounters that require certain amounts of "heat" (type of difficulty unlucked after beating final boss once or from start in hellmode) at 5 heat you can enter these rooms in tartarus, 10 asphodel 15 elisyum. These encounter grant enhanced rewards and are also an extra choice when hunting for specific stuff (boons or obols for example).